James Toney vs Montell Griffin I

[@sanchez5963]

If you’re a student of the game, and understand the inner mechanisms of boxing, you’ll realise how much of a magician Toney is. The moves he pulls off are beyond belief, take a look at 15:32 for example, Toney went inside, threw an uppercut, left griffins personal space and dodged his punches. His defence is unbelievable.

[@creoleDJ]

Spot on! The problem to me is that the fans & judges don’t appreciate defense, technical skills, etc. which is why Toney didn’t get the wins here & in his rematch with Griffin.

[@Trueskool90]

Master of his craft

[@andisadler2897]

Obviously the amateur judges dont see the true of sport of boxing like that. IMBOCILES. Boxing is an art, the judges tend to look elsewhere.

[@creoleDJ]

@@andisadler2897too many times, they get caught up in the “rock ‘em sock ‘em robots” style of fighting & don’t appreciate defense, technical skills, etc.

[@andisadler2897]

@@creoleDJ They do. How many times we seen awful decisions. To many,.and.this is.peoples careers we talking about.

[@MrKAHutch]

Toney's counter right hands were some of the most dangerous weapons in his bag of tricks. I've watched most of his fights and he's hurt just about everyone with it! Marvelous demonstration of skills.

[@MrMarco855]

+TopShelf He throws sharp inside counter punches, sometimes in combination. They're short, snapping shots he throws so fast that very often the fans, announcers and judges don't see them land. I see them landing and you see them also apparently. Toney is an all time great and my 2nd favorite fighter.

[@TheCinderellaman10]

Both toney & evander had great counter right-hands

[@Asian2706]

Everyone except for Jones 😂

[@parracatau]

Toney got fucked by the judges, he clearly won this fight.

[@damacc594]

Facts

[@longbeachmaumba7059]

Close fight. I thought Toney edged it too.

[@mirfadsalah1919]

23:39 james toney double left hook, one to the head and the other to the body then weave under the left hook is just magical.

[@sanchez5963]

He done it again, if he weaved again I would’ve tattooed “Toney the wizard on my forehead”

[@worldsfastestslug]

21:55 king of the shoulder roll

[@vijenderjohnnathaniel3510]

Very classic Toney Style. He should have finished right then. Griffin got off the hook an escaped.

[@donika7517]

James mastered that shit baby!

[@55cleon]

@@donika7517 INDEED

[@j.t.r.5503]

Montel Griffin is one of the underrated fighters. He actually is pretty good

[@Dentsun4228]

exactly...montel was one of the most over-looked fighters of that era. beat a lotta top fighters.

[@ThePasterio]

That's about it. Pretty good....

[@steviejetera313]

I said the same

[@steviejetera313]

​@ThePasterio good enough to beat the greats...what does that make him

[@MrMarco855]

This was only Griffin's 15th fight. Usually a guy wouldn't step up to this level until he had at least 25 or 30 fights. They must have thought he was very skilled to put him in with Toney this early in his career. Before griffin fought Toney, only 2 of his 14 opponents had winning records. The combined record of the 14 opponents was 82-137. He fought against very weak competition, then they put him in with toney, who was 44-1 going in. Toney must have been at least a 10-1 favorite;... a lot of money could have been made if you knew how good Griffin was. I think Toney won this fight, but Griffin showed that he was a very good fighter.

[@cardigan3000]

if you look at their records it is beyond amazing that toney lost to griffin twice.

[@Slippin22]

Montels style is the reason.... he has toneys number thats all it is

[@creoleDJ]

Both wins were questionable. Toney, while always an effective & accurate puncher, didn’t display the speed and quick hands like he did in his earlier middleweight & super middleweight days. (Look at his fights with Iran Barkley & Charles Williams as examples.) A lot of times, the judges seem to be moved more by activity more than anything, and Toney’s style doesn’t always sway the judges.

[@bunnyman6321]

@@Slippin22 Toney was dismantling Montel style. What fight was you watching? What rounds did Toney have trouble? How and why?

[@danibar7]

@@creoleDJ That my friend is a spot on comment. The judges where always harsh on Toney..

[@creoleDJ]

@@danibar7 💯👍🏽 I honestly think they (the judges) were still punishing Toney for his loss to Jones, and maybe they figured a Jones-Griffin match was better for business than a Jones-Toney rematch…you never can tell with all the politics involved 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@dibujemaestro]

What two fighters! Griffin was a well rounded boxer. A talented one. Great fight. Thanks

[@VAHOSS]

If he only had a stronger chin

[@raysterE176Tremont]

And more power in his punxhes.

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

When watching a master fighter you have to know boxing really well, in its purest form and a true understanding of the nuances of pugilism. Those are the things it takes in order to truly appreciate and see what James Toney is doing in the ring. Toney's defensive glove placement is incredible, his hands are not there and then a milli second and Toney block, rolled and slipped it. I tell you this negative agenda against James Toney coming from inside the boxing world following the Jones jr loss and Jackie Khallen incident is deep, even the boxing punch stats severely robbing Toney and boosting his opponents.

[@acewilliams7917]

His fight against Iran Barkley was a work of art.

[@iamjungle5703]

Toney has and still is over rated.. RJJ for Life

[@damacc594]

Toney a true great and a master of the sweet science

[@anclark2063]

Tony lost this fight,, montell won the last 2 rounds.

[@chadmcclain3462]

Well spoken my friend 💪🏾

[@victormitchell7434]

JAMES TONEY was a beast fought them all never cried when he lost so glad and proud to say he was a Detroit fighter who walked the way he talked it much Respect. Ijs

[@nb0616]

Great fight from Montell. I had an opportunity to get a bit of work in his gym while I was in the States a few years back. Amazing time, great Chicago gym and I got some great pointers. I'd recommend that gym to anyone... especially if you live in Chicago. Whatever level you're at, he can guide you.

[@MrDW-ei1fe]

Foreman is hands down the best commentator ever.

[@damacc594]

Facts unbiased and knowledgeable

[@sleeperino3054]

@@damacc594 unbiased unless he’s watching Hopkins 😂

[@joeblough261]

He's terrible, and I love George, hell I just cooked burgers on his grill tonight, but he sucked ass as a commentator 70% of the time

[@jackierobdmi3364]

Not after watching the Trinidad-Hopkins fight. Dude was biased as hell!!

[@ConfusedHelmet-ir3kc]

Freeeeeeeeewee3eew​@@jackierobdmi3364

[@OGboxing...]

Foreman is so biased towards Toney LOL.

[@Blacattacsquadron]

Because Toney has that Joe Frazier mentality. Which is bad for black boxers. Ali proved it to be true and Foreman realized it after facing Ali in Africa.

[@joshuarivas442]

@@Blacattacsquadron nonsense nigga

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

@@Blacattacsquadron racist comment.

[@SKa-tt9nm]

@@Blacattacsquadronthis could be the stupidest comment in the history of KZbin. First off, you don’t even define what “mentality” you are talking about. Weak. Second, no qualities associated with Joe Frazier could be bad. Third, by stating that this unnamed, undefined quality is bad specifically for black boxers, do you mean it’s potentially good for white boxers? Quality of language governs quality of thought and both your language and your thoughts are disorganized and unimpressive. In conclusion - your level of intelligence makes me sad.

[@MrMarco855]

At about 19:41, Griffin throws a left hook that landed on Toney's shoulder/neck. Toney responded with 2 hard body punches, a right uppercut followed by a sharp left hook. All 4 punches landed clean and solid. When Toney threw the last of those 4 punches, griffin threw a right to toney's body then a straight left jab/hook. The jab missed and the right to the body may have been partially or fully blocked, but it was ineffective regardless. When Griffin began to throw those 2 punches, Toney jerked his head and upper body back in anticipation and to avoid the punches. The crowd misinterpreted Toney's jerking movement as if he was knocked back by by a punch. He definitely wasn't. Jim Lampley heard the crowds reaction, and he said 'Griffin got the better of that exchange'. Not by a mile did Griffin win the exchange. This is what drives me crazy about boxing. The announcers routinely miss what's going on in the ring, and they'll exaggerate or make things up that can influence the fans if nobody else. It's not an issue for an announcer to miss something or made a bad call,........ but it's done round after round in almost every fight. To illustrate how incompetent announcers can be, I direct your attention to the first fight between Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera. In the 1st round, pacquiao fell over sideways and the announcers quickly called it a slip. The referee called it a knockdown however. The announcers then changed their opinion partially, saying they will watch the replay to verify it. The slow motion replay showed pacquiao step forward and hit barrera flush on the nose with a straight left hand. Barrera stepped on pacquiao's foot at that time, causing pacquiao to fall. Barrera never came close to touching pacquiao with a punch. The replay was from above and it showed everything very clearly. One announcer then said ,..'it must have been a good punch that sent pacquiao down,......the other announcer said,.' well, it wasn't really clear from that replay'. I knew for certain that pacquiao slipped or got his foot stepped on from watching the live action. The replay was very clear and showed exactly what happened. Ray Charles was in the front row and he yelled,.' he got his foot stepped on'. How in the hell can announcers be that bad? The example wasn't a rare occurrence. This type of ridiculous error is very common. I really can't believe it happens so often yet nobody seems to address this. Don't the executives see the terrible performances of the announcers? That erroneous knockdown call is on pacquiao's record forever. When he fought margarito, the announcers in that fight said pacquiao was knocked down by barrera in their fight. The bad call becomes a fact that stays forever on their record, because the ref missed the call and the 2 blind announcers agreed like idiots. The ref only has one quick look and has to make a call, but the announcers have slow motion replay and still have no clue. I have a hard time believing that these announcers are qualified and/or sober during some fights.

[@chuckdug9269]

that call by lampley is horrendous

[@MrMarco855]

Chuck Dug Thank you sir,......

[@2008sALINAs]

Foreman called him Montell Williams😂

[@paulanthony5274]

Ah well he probably talks a good fight lol

[@zoro_3054]

When lol

[@zoro_3054]

Do you have the exact time when ?

[@zoro_3054]

Do you know when he says that ?

[@zoro_3054]

zog noty shut up you dog

[@MrMarco855]

In the 9th round at 45:52, you see a good example of why toney was winning the fight. They're exchanging and toney nails griffin with a straight right that snapped his head back. In the middle of an exchange that punch may have gone unnoticed by the judges. Toney landed hard clean shots like that all night. His punches had an effect on griffin but he wasn't being hurt by griffin . Griffin did well, especially very early because he would lip to the side and land a punch that caught toney off guard. Griffin also landed a straight jab and left hook often in the first few rounds. Toney is a wizard in the ring and he adjusted well within a round or so, then began to control the fight. I think griffin impressed the judges because he out performed expectations but he never had control and he was less effective as the rounds went by . Toney wins a lot of rounds because he slips and blocks a lot of punches. griffin got hit by most of toney's punches. He doesn't avoid nor block punches well and toney is deadly accurate. There was no doubt who was in control of the fight and who dictated positioning and the flow of the fight. There's no chance whatsoever that griffin won the fight; many of his punches missed or were blocked but I think the judges didn't realize that. Toney wasn't being hurt at any time,........ but he staggered griffin several times. The 'knockdown' wasn't a knockdown at all. Toney slipped the first punch and the 2nd punch wasn't strong enough to move him. He stumbled/lost balance causing him to fall back into the ropes; it was a half second after the punch so it clearly wasn't a result of the punch.

[@creoleDJ]

Judges don’t appreciate a chess match, they like checkers instead! 🤣🤣

[@bernardtyler2835]

James Toney always been one of my favorites. A true boxer

[@isaiahtippit2734]

Furuhtufghguututuh jfjjturuttu

[@amasayisrael5217]

All you had to do was listen to James Head Cornerman Bill Miller..he knew James was letting this fight get away from him. If you know anything about boxing, you'd see Griffin wasn't trying to knock James out, just win, anyway he could, taking James out of his normal way of fighting.. Eddie worked on this in the gym, I know because I worked the fight. I was right there, seen and heard the punches you didn't see and hear. A win by one point or two is still a win, no matter who it is. Montell knew how to fight Toney, they had sparred when he was just out of the Olympics and he did well then. That is why we took the fight. Remember, this was Montell's 14th fight and James 48th you'd think he wouldn't go 1rd with James, but he went 24 total rds and guess what?? In two fights not one judge gave James the fight, one gave it a draw, in this fight. I am a Toney fan too, before and after these two fights with Montell, he is one of the greatest of all times, he just couldn't figure out this little 5’ 7” inch Light Heavyweight World Champ. Toney went on to win two more titles, just not at Light Heavyweight. ✌🏾

[@LVSWTZ]

I Love James Toney he's one my AllTime Favourites, but this was the beginning of the end. because he could not control his eating, and his temper. Bill Miller and Jackie Kallen were right on money. He should've listened. And clearly won this fight and was robbed.

[@MrSilus2000]

You sound ignorant

[@Beatbyawhiteboy]

7 - 5 RDS, I scored for James Toney. Close fight. I like the counter right hand that staggered Griffin in RD3. Drunken Griffin all over the ring. Not bad for a fighter coming up going up against someone like Toney.

[@sinusbradycardia]

116 to 112, WTF? Toney won more than 4 rounds. 116 to 112 was one of the Scorecards of May vs Pac. No way in hell Griffin dominated Toney the was May did Pac. Toney landed the harder punches and he was robbed of a 3rd round knockdown. I thought Toney did enough to win, at worst 114-113 for Toney.

[@Pentiumboots]

Griffin outboxed him. I have watched the same fight. We have our biases, and they get the best of us.

[@tricknolte3222]

Did you know James Toney shoved Griffin in the staredown and Griffin punched him in the mouth with a quick jab.They won't show that.

[@danieltaylor3398]

GDM Charlotte LoL you don’t know shit about boxing

[@dsimon33871]

@@seeya101oliASWHDFIL Yup... Same, Love Toney but hats off to Griffin, a technical marvel himself. I could have lived with a draw...

[@diamondman420]

I can understand why people thought Toney won, but the thing is Griffin was masterful at absorbing Toney's best shots on his gloves, elbows, and shoulders. Conversely Griffin was able to find his best shots often on Toney's jaw and ribcage. Really great showing from an underrated fighter in Griffin. Had he stayed with Futch things might have turned out different.

[@jdilly1000]

George Foreman is a Cheerleader! I'd rather listen to someone who is really Relaying what's ACTUALLY is taking place!

[@mr.masses3202]

That's the truth...!

[@wavyamar]

Haha wow Griffin did the chicken dance in RD 3. Montell was underrated. That jab and hook are deadly but Toney got a good chin

[@aa-up4sf]

21:58 that is beautiful boxing. Shoulder rolling the right hand come back with the clean hard counter and Griffin nearly on his back. James Toney was a different level of fighter.

[@Discovery_and_Change]

21:57

[@jandro8370]

Foreman is a Toney fan thats awesome

[@MB-fo2sk]

Competitive fight! I had it 116-112 for Toney, there were many close rounds! Foreman's commentary was truly atrocious on this one.

[@morrielarsen]

agreed Foreman was terrible.

[@creoleDJ]

What do you mean “on this one”?! He’s atrocious on almost ALL of them! Biased commentary, misspronounced names (Montell Williams, Antonio Tolliver)…

[@yanacoverbali8740]

nbbnnv

[@tamirhalperin2404]

There is no doubt in my mind that Toney also landed a nice left hand right at @34:21, AFTER the bell, and the speed with which Griffin replied to it with his lightning counter, brings into question the complaint about it being "late". It wasn't like Griffin had any time to think about taking a late shot.

[@thehumbleonez4030]

James Toney was my favorite fighter from the 90s..the ultimate warrior

[@jenniferparson7492]

Whitaker Toney Norris Trinidad my favorites from the 90's.

[@dsimon33871]

Toney an incredible fighter.

[@InvincibleSummer-s8p]

39:48 - beautiful boxing from Toney, totally missed by Jim lol.

[@staticshockboxing]

completely!!

[@skippylegrandgourou777]

Lmao he get pieced up by Toney, miss all his shots and all Jim can talk about is how his confidence is rising

[@strykermoonfall2220]

Griffin was a great technician for fighters to study. Toney too, of course.

[@chalkyblack7582]

Boy was Montel a smooth operator 👌🏾

[@atatkfighter]

I remember watching this fight as a teen, and 17 years later I still believe Griffin did enough to win. Thanks for posting!

[@НереальныепрогулкиПонереальной]

У Тони есть недостаток который использовал Гриффин , если боец не идёт на Тони и грамотно двигается то Тони теряет нить боя

[@Retirement02042012]

Why Kallen as his manager ? And why is that star on his shorts ?

[@johnathanandrus6586]

I thought it was close, but I was shocked when they called Griffins name, especially with a 116-112 scorecard, since I had it 7-5 Toney, plus it's a shame Cortez didn't see Griffin glove touch the canvas in the 3rd. Well at least a shame for Toney not for Griffin.

[@rickjamesjr6651]

Griffin was very good technically just like toney

[@IlonggoDad]

Griffin really did the Salsa in there

[@Beatbyawhiteboy]

VERY close fight, I had it like Duane Ford, a DRAW. I have no problem with either fighter winning by 1 or 2 points, which Griffin won by. I love how George Foreman was admiring Toney's work against the ropes and the body punching.

[@amwatkins443]

I love James “Lights out” Toney as a fighter. However, he could not find the right adjustment for Montell Griffin’s jab.

[@creoleDJ]

That reaction Toney had after the decision was like, “Welp...there goes my rematch with Roy.”

[@Myndir]

"Should have trained harder and stayed away from those pies..."

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

He wasn't gonna whip prime roy anyway.

[@creoleDJ]

@@ScorpionF1RE_USAif this Toney or the Toney who fought Iran Barkley, Prince Charles Williams, Michael Nunn, and Tim Littles showed up against Roy instead of the drained and out of shape Toney, things may have been different.

[@creoleDJ]

@@Myndir🤣🤣 Lots of people forget that Toney naturally was near cruiserweight & heavyweight range but would sweat down to fight at middleweight. Eventually it caught up with him, as the Jones fight showed..

[@TheZayzkidd3]

Forman favored Toney a lot but this was actually an even fight.

[@vijenderjohnnathaniel3510]

Ringcraft and speed and atheletism won the fight I am a great fan of James Toney. He lost the middleweight and the super middleweight crowns due to boxers with better hand speed. Even this fight he looked lethargic. I still liked him in the cruiser weight and the heavy weight. One thing James Toney had his own unique style in boxing and never compromised on it. Winning championships at different weight categories needs a lot of boxing skills and talent.

[@MrMarco855]

The announcers have no visual coordination. They never see what actually takes place in the ring. George Foremen is good, but the other 2 'professional' announcers don't see it for what it is very often. In the 7th, Griffin hit Toney with a slapping left hook, that didn't hit Toney hard enough to get his attention, let alone hurt Toney. The punch didn't land clean, and Toney moves away in a leisurely manner. He stumbled against the ropes, but clearly not from the force of a punch. The other guy that gives his score and opinion between rounds, said if Toney was hit and goes down, it's a knockdown. True normally, but Toney took another step after the punch, and lost balance awkwardly looking for the ropes. If a fighter is punched, how much later does it count? In other words, by exaggeration let's say, if toney was hit and 10 seconds later he tripps and falls, is that a knockdown? Of course not, and neither is it a knockdown if he stumbles backwards 1 second after the punch. If thats' not correct, then why didn't this experienced referee call a knockdown? A stumble or loss of balance can't be called a knockdown, unless it happens all in one motion. Thats' the key; Toney had a second after the punch to step back, then started to fall awkwardly. It takes a coordinated mind to see the difference, but these guys often miss things like this. As I said, kudo's to big George, he's been in there many times, he knows what's going on in the ring.

[@davonbenson4361]

MrMarco855. Well Griffith was actually stat padding. They need to change the point system.

[@Phantoman7]

Griffin is a real cutie in there. They don't teach that stuff so much these days.

[@goldiewankenobi5853]

Griffin was a better fighter than most would give him credit for, he handled himself well in what was supposed to be a cake walk for Toney

[@PlayaflyJoe27]

Montell Griffin was a very solid fighter but what was up with his balance? Everytime he got hit with something clean in his career it's like his whole body would move funny and he'd lose his balance.

[@tlig]

Haha, reminds me of Brit heavyweight Danny Williams; it's like their central nervous systems are wired wrongly.

[@davonbenson4361]

playaflyJOE27. That’s because he always leans back.

[@drreed7164]

Eddie Futch can break down any style and craft a boxer to crack that style. He did against Ali He did it against Toney He did it against Holyfield He did it against Jackson He knows what it takes to dissect a difficult style. This style demonstrated Toney's susceptibility to a fast left hook.

[@leftydrizel1842]

That's the punch Roy put him down with!! Astute observation

[@dru-chambers]

Well said... futch and emmanual steward= best two trainers ever

[@Allen-I-C-E]

I really appreciate George Foreman's wisdom.

[@damacc594]

Facts he called the almost knockdown in round 3

[@donnaedwards500]

What I loved about James Toney is when he lost a fight it would always be by decision. He was robbed In some of his decision losses like this one but he very rarely got hurt in a fight and has only been knocked down 3 times in his career which started in 1988 and he has a fight coming up in 2017! I just hope he retires after that fight like he should have years ago to prevent anymore damage to his brain! He has been past his prime for well over ten years now but he has still never been stopped or knocked out in a fight and unless it happens in his next fight it will probably never happen to him!

[@joeblough261]

Toney vs. Ruddock was just announced today. OMG

[@kevincheatim3252]

James toney is very underrated and he certainly is old school boxing bill Miller is an old school trainer which we don't have anymore in boxing

[@sherrillraymond7595]

What happened to Bill Miller why they split

[@nttrnr]

james is so relaxed he doesn't make you fight his fight he tricks you in to fighting is fight by being so relaxed

[@yuljohnson6838]

Great fight and great performance by "Ice" Griffin!

[@abudujana13]

Thanks for the video, COUNTERRIGHT

[@elmeranderson758]

James Toney lost this fight because he wanted to fight the short man's fight. Instead of boxing the shorter guy, he went in to trade with him. It seems to me that his conditioning was not up to par when he was in his best of shape. I think that he had trouble making the 175lbs limit also. Toney was a great fighter but didn't had the discipline to get to the next level. In this sport, you got to give 100% commitment to training and focus. Not to get by by talent alone. And that was his downfall. Montell Griffin showed that he was a pretty good fighter. I think that Toney underestimated him. I am a Toney's fan. I think that he lost this fight. It was not a robbery. I don't know what the great George Foreman was watching.

[@jaffrojames5147]

james toney was in the top 3 or 4 best of his generation (hopkins,roy jones,mike tyson) and this guy montell griffen fought a brilliant fight here to win a very close boxing match

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

Griffin was competitive in this fight for sure but Foreman is not far off. Griffin didn't win a round in my books either, he had a couple rounds that he almost could have had but Toney just does so much, he does everything the untrained eye can see and then he does all the little things you really need to know boxing to see. Toney did all of those things in this fight..

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

The first in a series of robberies from James Toney serving a negative agenda that was manifested from the Jones Jr loss and the Jackie Khallen incident. James Toney, a fighter who has truly been robbed the most when it comes to how high a level fighter he is and in regards to his legendary status. These robberies against James Toney through out the years are some of the worst and have had the greatest impact of any in the history of any sport. The reason I say that is because the results and ramifications of these injustices really altered and hurt boxing as a whole as well the direction of this specific era of boxing. As far as James Toney goes, he was to great for them to truly ruin him or his legacy. He would go on as we all know to carve out a career of world championship caliber and legendary status among all time greats. His legacy remains intact and he will forever be known as a great fighter, no questions. This negative agenda against James effected more so boxing as a whole, the fights that should have happened didn't happen throughout two separate eras, there will forever be shadows casted among the other great fighters of this era that ducked James Toney. There ducking James Toney was masked and aided by these robberies of sure James Toney victories. This agenda protected many stars, world champions at the time and prospect stars coming up of two different eras. These robberies and subsequent duckings were an excuse, a scapegoat so it would be acceptable to the unknowing watching it happen ever so blindly that certain fights and events did not and would not happen. For example, a rematch between Toney and Roy Jones never happened, Toney vs The Klitchkos never happened and I could go on and on to name big fights that not only James should have had but boxing should have had, the fans should have had. This negative agenda and masquerade type deception enabled this to be acceptable to the public and the people who'm were not involved or did not have knowledge or actually acknowledge such an agenda or insiders movement. The hard pill to swallow, the hardest bullet to take in this is that as great as James has been, as great as his legacy is; he could have had an even greater legend and legacy. The possibility Numerous more world titles, many more defining victories and a possible moniker or designation among the majority as maybe the greatest of all time... Not only that, but boxing did itself a tremendous disservice in implementing such an ugly plan, the end the 90's era could have been even greater than it was and would have done the era even more justice. It literally killed boxing in the era of the 2000's especially during his tenure as top contender of 5 years in the heavyweight division, a division that ached and desperately needed a fighter like Toney as world champion. All that being said, They tried, they tried there damn hardest, but they would not stop him, this agenda would not succeed, they may have won some battles but James Toney won the war.

[@SiamHomeSource]

James, is that you?

[@jeromefecto8085]

SiamHomeSource heheehe

[@pcaz23]

SiamHomeSource lolol

[@АрсенийСтучинский-в1ъ]

Pernell Whitaker was robbed more.

[@phelpsmarc]

SiamHomeSource really. I hope this guy doesn't think the Jones fight was a robbery. The truth is, James Toney was a lazy fighter. He rarely came into a big fight in shape. As for robberies, he even got a disputed decision over Dave Tiberi. Many felt that was a robbery in Toney's favor.

[@strangetranceoffaith]

I don't understand how the commentators think Tony won the 4th round

[@kelvinbloomfield1375]

that was the right result for me.toney s work rate is always too low

[@pankestrel5936]

Look at the moves from Toney at 35:10. Cant stop laughing at it.

[@ИгорьТихонов-о2и]

Господи помилуй! Интересные, нестандартные бойцы! Спасибо!

[@sanchez5963]

39:48, put the play speed on 0.25x, this guy is a wizard. Toney is unbelievable.

[@deecraig3329]

robbery tony won

[@j.j.guerrieri8121]

Terrible decision. Toney won by at least two rounds.

[@southpawrighthook6205]

This was a crazy decision. Toney didn’t get out worked like he usually does. He was moving his hands and giving Griffin a subtle beating to his body. An easy fight to score and he got robbed. 10-2 Toney

[@rickjamesjr6651]

This was a damn good fight toney and griffin respectively were always in great fights

[@tlig]

It's strange but Toney never fought dirty. For a bad boy like him that's surprising. But of course he did test positive for steroids a few times...

[@tlig]

@Gloria Washington Nope. He also came up dirty versus some fat dude (who himself had been doping). Can't remember his name though.

[@jettz8571]

Fucking Robbery

[@MyIceman12345]

Griffin had some good hand speed

[@MrMarco855]

The conmmentators can mess up a good fight. Watch at 19:43 when they have an exchange. Griffin landed a left to the shoulder, then Toney threw a flurry, 2 good shots landed including a sharp left to end his flurry. Griffin responded with a right uppercut that didn't make it past Toney's waist and a left that clearly missed to the left of Toney's head. Toney was backing away and fell back into the ropes when Griffins last punch missed. The commentators said that Griffin won the exchange. He never landed a punch except for the first left to Toney's shoulder/neck while Tonery landed 2 good shots to the face of Griffin. That's why you can't listen to the commentators if you expect to get it right. In their defense things are happening quickly but maybe they should talk less like the commentators did back in the day.

[@mikeaaron2819]

From 19:43 Toney hits Griffin with a beautiful 4 punch combination body & head and the Griffin retaliates with two straight punches that Toney blocks mostly as he moves away towards the ropes and guess what? The commentator says and Griffin gets the better of that exchange. I believe Toney was so fast and accurate that most of his moves were missed in there.

[@salvatoralain5110]

Griffin for the courage he gave this victory. A slight advantage was on the side of Tony

[@SLIMZD]

114 to 112 toney

[@uv.theband]

Love George,but what fight is he watching here?

[@siergiej882kowaliow3]

Round 3 was a knockdown!

[@salvatoralain5110]

and 7 round too

[@8luntTrauma]

Gloves didn't touch the canvas tho so no knockdown

[@leothelyonroar7561]

Toney won! At these time and round marks whenever a boxer grabs onto the other boxer to stop the punishment, that boxer has been hurt. :15 4th, 1:40 5th, :05 5th, :01 6th the hit after the bell landed on Toney's chest, 1:52 8th, :59 8th, :01 9th, 1:42 11th, 2:30 est. 12th, :59 12th, In the flurry of throws at the end of fight only one hit Toney and on his left shoulder. Check out his fight with Jones Jr and Jones did quite a bit staggering, holding onto Toney. Toney also won the 1st fight with Samual Peter but lost the 2nd IMO.

[@nodicenate84]

This was a pretty good fight, I just wish Toney would have stepped up his activity level a bit, but isn't that always the complaint with him? I had it a draw 115-115 with rounds 6 and 11 even. I didn't see it as a fight that Griffin came from behind to win. I thought Toney was the stronger fighter through the latter two-thirds of the bout.

[@PlayaflyJoe27]

What rds did Ice win cause I didn’t see any!

[@albertlong1633]

Griffin was the busier fighter that simple and he was good, James fought in spurts, James lack of intensity in conditioning is the issue

[@SLIMZD]

Hard punches and accuracy won it for Toney and I score it a 10 - 8 rd on that almost knocked down

[@jordandownNihga6884]

23:06 stanky leg 😂😂😂

[@aiyahuntacheimumbi236]

Love George's commentary!

[@brolickscholar3083]

Great Fight! 👍🏽

[@GodkingAustin]

George gets a lot of crap for his commentary but I gotta hand it to the guy for seeing what was up at 20:25. He saw what Toney was doing to Montell, going to the body under the jab each time was hurting, making Montell afraid to throw left straights - leaving him really predictable for Toney's specialty counters - a real recipe for disaster for Montell. Merchant playing the contrarian was proved wrong right away as usual

[@SLIMZD]

Toney won this fight with harder clean punches

[@wheelinthesky300]

Wonder what this fight would have been like if James had boxed instead of brawled, defended more, punched less, countered instead of initiated, could he have controlled Griffin and had a much more decisive victory?

[@reinasvibez8950]

Toney is funny af his defense was iconic

[@George18798]

Toney was robbed so many times. It sucks

[@ss-md3vj]

He got his share of gifts as well, remember Dave Tiberi?

[@SowTruth]

George18798 yeah I said the same thing

[@icantthinkofacoolname1308]

sas6789 and? You really Comparing 1 fight to multiple robberies?

[@lefez9015]

@@ss-md3vj Tiberi was a close fight. Toney blocked most of his punches with elbows and gloves.

[@ss-md3vj]

@@lefez9015 Even Toney himself admits he lost the Tiberi fight actually

[@SLIMZD]

Tony won this fight,with his power shots

[@howardt91]

i thought toney won but i can see why the judges gave it to griffin, they often give it to the busier fighter

[@stephengeorge3507]

Toney for all his greatness, certainly shortchanged himself,great athletes don't let there weight get out of control, he was his own worst enemy, and when he didn't get his own way,became a bully,calling most his opponents every name in the book,then has the audacity too call out haters,when he's doing all the hating

[@flagtheoffense]

1:03:10 LMAO

[@dre2x34]

Well George was correct about one thing for sure. Montell Williams definitely didn’t win that fight. Probably wasn’t even in Nevada that night.

[@outdoorrn2980]

Must have been the same judges that judged the first Pacquiao/ Bradley fight….LOL

[@jrock9198]

No! This wasn't a clear victory for anybody. Montell out worked Toney

[@drewking8066]

James Tony. Is probably Top 10. Of all time fighters 💯

[@johnkemple]

maybe 15th never the top ten

[@drewking8066]

@@johnkemple ok name 14 outher people with his resume and his achievements he went up. From middleweight to Heavyweight. And done great things at all weights

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

120-108 for James Lights Out Toney. 1st = James Toney, Toney landed more than 13 punches in that round. I am bewildered by the announcing in this fight.Other than George Foreman who is always realistic and respectful of James. 2nd = James Toney, easily. 3rd = Toney regardless of the Griffin wobble/knockdown, Toney clearly got the better of that early exchange landing 5 or 6 punches and Griffin landing 1 or 2, whoever was commentating alongside foremen yells out how Griffin got the better of that exchange. lol wow ! reminds me of Toney vs Peter 1 after like round 4 or so when they got the memo Sam Peter's camp bought the victory as long as he didn't get KO'd and all of a sudden they started seeing the fight from maybe peter's side ??? lol to obvious kids. 4th = James Toney, some truth from the commentators, they tell the truth only when they absolutely have too. It's funny though Toney lands 6 punches, Griffin lands 1 or 2 and boy Griffin is somehow " Outstanding !".LMAO. 5th = James Toney, got the better of everything, Griffin's best round though. 6th = James Toney easy. 7th = James Toney, that was an off balance slip, he didn't even hit him with the punch when Toney fell back. Shut up ! 8th = James Toney, 9th = James Toney easily, this hasn't even been close yet. I have a feeling the punch stats are off too, at least on Toney's count, I don't see Toney missing very many punches at all and I don't see griffin landing more, no sir. I have counted punch stats in Toney fights where there has been more than 30 + un counted punches in a round. NO LIE. 10th = James Toney, 11th = James Toney, 12th = James Toney.120-108 for James Toney, you could have given Griffin two rounds if you wanted to be nice. Griffin is extremely tough and a good boxer but as far as Griffin winning this fight ? Not even close ! James Toney won this fight by shut out, every single round. Griffin never took one single round. Like I said, if you really hated Toney and really loved Griffin you could have given Griffin two rounds. 120-108 for James Toney. Mr. George Foreman didn't give Griffin one round, not even like me as a nice gesture if you had too.

[@OGboxing...]

AKAMUSICkeepit100 You are the most deluded blind clueless fanboy on KZbin.

[@GIJO]

No way he won

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

It is funny, the slip in round 7 that these guys are all scoring as a knock down except George Foreman despite the ref knowing it was a slip did not call a knock down. So all these Toney oppressors scoring the knock down even after watching the replay of proof of a legit slip and loss of balance are scoring the round 10-8 Griffin, but Toney dominated the entire round and if Griffin through a few less punches and wasnt just trying to smother the punishments from Toney it would have been a 10-8 round for Toney without a knock down on domination alone.

[@AKAMUSICkeepit100]

Toney dominated round 7 so even if these liars cheaters and stealers wanted to score the knock down for Griffi it would have been a 9-9 round. How could George Foreman sit there and listen to this clearly biased and fixed commentary and do or say nothing to point it out. It turned out they lead the charge in the fixed commentary even though Foreman was scoring and calling the fight right, for Toney. They lead the charge to one of the most significant robberiez in boxing history. I would have snapped on them if I was foreman and I would have been very upset at the result if I was him as well.

[@MrMarco855]

Even with the bullshit knockdown call, if Toney was winning the rest of the round, it's suppose to be scored a 10-9 round. The knock down was bullshit, as you say, it could have been 10-8 Toney the way he was thumping Griffin. There was either an agenda against Toney,............. or a lot of ignorant commentators and judges. Big George saw it right...........

[@COLEEN322]

that woman put him off the fight and griffin beat him twice

[@kawaiiafangirl]

I don't think that this is a robbery the way most people in the comments section seems to think so. Even if Jame Toney won, he wouldn't have won it by a wide decision bc a lot of those rounds were close. Considering his height, reach, and weight advantage, Toney should've won this fight more convincingly and yet Griffith was able to stand 12 rounds w/ Toney.