Countries that Claimed to be Ancient Rome

The influence of the Roman Empire remained evident centuries after it's collapse. One way to prove that is to simply look at the amount of states
that claimed to be the inheritors of Ancient Rome. Many empires derived legitamacy by proving their lineage with the Roman Empire. In today's video we be looking at excatly those . We will be exploring the Byzantine Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Frankish Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, Fascit Italy, the first Bulgarian empire, the Serbian empire and the Russian Tsardom.
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[@historyrhymes1701]

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[@Boretheory]

How is it possible that in every video about Rome nobody even considers italy and greece are almost not even talked in the comments? If the Italians and the Greeks agree someone is their new roman emperor then it would easily become the new most leggitimate heir.

[@Veriox22]

Byzantium didnt really claim to be rome. It was rome.

[@historyrhymes1701]

True that

[@kidjay586]

Straight up facts

[@DubABattery]

Now that is true

[@lucaswilt2665]

Yah my opinion is that the Byzantine empire was the last of the romans. Any other claims past that points are just bullshit

[@Meirstein]

Depends on when we're talking. Under Justinian, sure. By the 9th century, nah.

[@yoghurtmaster1688]

European empires try not to larp as roman challenge (very hard)

[@Briselance]

Italy was legitimate. But France, Russia and, especially, Turkey? Nope. Byzantium, eh, maybe. But Turkey? Nope.

[@Briselance]

Very hard? Insane, you mean. :-P

[@yoghurtmaster1688]

@@Briselance none of them are really its all Just a larp

[@dariobarboni9276]

@@yoghurtmaster1688 Italy is the most reasonable. We have the pope, Roman monuments, most similar language. Our culture is focused on Rome

[@yoghurtmaster1688]

@@dariobarboni9276 the pope betrayed the roman empire in favor of the franks and roman monuments are pretty much present throughout europe so yea italy is just italy not this roman larp

[@Pigraider268]

Fun fact: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth also considered itself sucessor to Rome, but to Roman Republic, not Empire :) "Commonwealth" is actually just another name for "republic"

[@historyrhymes1701]

That explains why so many PLC kings bore the name "Augustus"

[@TheLocalLt]

Yep, same as America, France, Venice, Genoa, etc

[@Pigraider268]

@@TheLocalLt Idk. Venice and Genoa maybe, but they were merchant republics. French Empire claimed to be sucessor of Roman Empire (which was mentioned in video), French Republic maybe, but It was more of a dictatorship. I haven't heard about America. I heard tho, I'm not sure if it's true, that Commonwealth's system was one of the inspirations for USA, but It would make sense as there were many Poles fighting for their independence. There is even a theory, that US original flag was based on historical polish voivedoship of Sandomierz (the similarities are striking)

[@TheLocalLt]

@@Pigraider268 forgot to mention Britain of course too. Virtually all (non-Communist) European states, with the exceptions mostly being newer countries, in addition to some non-European states, have claimed or exhibited some kind of significant Roman legacy and are based off of either the Roman Republic or the Roman Empire.

[@maxwellli7057]

@@TheLocalLt Yes, but that does not make them real sucessors to Rome, does it? Like if you really stretch the definiton, the fact that Taiwan is a republic means that it too is a Roman sucessor state. The majority of the world's countries would be Roman sucessor states.

[@unclesam5230]

The term Byzantine came from the Holy Roman Empire a century after the fall of Constantinople

[@historyrhymes1701]

Me and Z we're tempted to use this shorter name but we didn't! True to Rome!

[@unclesam5230]

@@historyrhymes1701 phew I was wander if you haven’t fallen to germ propaganda

[@micahistory]

yes, it was the Eastern Roman Empire

[@unclesam5230]

@@micahistory it wasn’t the Eastern Roman Empire post 476

[@micahistory]

@@unclesam5230 yes it was

[@micahistory]

it's kind of interesting how almost none of these so called "Roman empires" ever controlled Rome

[@user-kc8uh9ve4j]

Actually Byzantium did control it for a short time under justinian

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@user-kc8uh9ve4j East Rome is built by Rome. Others were either direct enemies of Rome or never made contact with the original empire. Out of most wannabes only the Germanic tribes met the Romans and again it wasnt a cool relationship. Only East Rome is worth mentioning as a successor state. Others came too late from different tribes and they barely could look like Rome in regards to anything. At least east Rome had similar culture and the legions and so on.

[@micahistory]

@@user-kc8uh9ve4j i said almost none

[@micahistory]

@@ivokantarski6220 yes

[@user-kc8uh9ve4j]

@@micahistory sorry iread it in hurry my mistake

[@thanosandnobill3789]

Fun fact, Greek people till the 19th century used to call themselfs Romii and Ottomans used to call them Rum. Even today in some middle eastern countries if you say that you are a Greek they will not understand where you came unless you say Yunan or Rum.

[@Ma_Zhongying]

"When [Lemnos] was taken from the Ottomans by Greece in 1912, Greek soldiers were sent to each village and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the island children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. "What are you looking at?" one of the soldiers asked. "At Hellenes," the children replied. "Are you not Hellenes yourselves?" the soldier retorted. "No, we are Romans," the children replied." -Peter Charanis

[@baranergun9234]

we turkish cypriots call greek cypriots Rum, the republic of cyprus is often regarded as "rum side" in that case

[@nefdulin7988]

What a stupid comment, of course they will not understand you if they don't know English. Yunan means greek in Turkish simple as that.

[@datastats7650]

Yes, sultanate of rum

[@kaansezen2396]

Rum is used for all Byzantine Christians, not specifically to Greeks. A Serb, Armenian or Albanian could be also called rum depending on their integration to Roman society (meaning living in Roman cities and institutions in contrast to their autochthonous lands). Rum literally means Roman but there was a difference between the west and the east. The eastern empire didn’t have a homogeneous latin population and the eastern cultures weren’t crushed by the Romans during their conquest (which is more the case for the western part) so the notion of Roman was an acquired identity for many in the east, resting on top of their own identity. Therefore, the term rum also stuck in the common tongue with people with no actual Roman heritage or lineage. Being an eastern Roman didn’t have to do with ethnic origin, whereas in the west all Romans were, partly or in full, Roman by blood.

[@stateofflorida5082]

The Spaniards have the best legal claim to it since the last byzantine emperor willed his imperial titles to the reigning King of Castille(?) while the Italians and Greeks have the obvious cultural claim since both were the cultural backbone of the country at different times.

[@ilFrancotti]

Italians have both the blood and motherland claim. Culture in Spain, Portugal and France is actually quite similar to the Italian one as the Italians, having colonized those lands for centuries, have also left the strongest footprint over there.

[@zamirroa]

Also Spain was like Rome but never claimed to be like it. Building cities,.roads, hospitals, ports, forts, castles, universities, schools, factories, protoindustries, churches, cathedrals, dictionaries about indigenous languages first than English and French about their ones. Gave.citizenship to indigenous people that had the same rights as any Spanish ( ofc not.in XVI but ending the century). There were interracial marriages, free slaves being college professors Like Juan Latino

[@ajcamp420]

Russia also had a decent claim up until 1917 as all descendants of Ivan the Great were also descended from the last emperor, they were also for centuries the largest Orthodox power

[@zamirroa]

@@ajcamp420 we could say that Russian emperor were descendent from the imperial family of eastern Roman empire, and Spain bought the tittle, it is said that french king bought first but some sources says the king died before the transaction was completed so that is why the dude with those tittles sold them to the Catholic kings

[@brandonlyon730]

But the Ottoman sultan also married a Byzantine Princess, so they had as much of a claim as Russia had, at least until the Sultan was removed from power after World War 1.

[@historyrhymes1701]

Thanks for watching guys. Special thanks to Monsieur Z for narrating the video and helping me out with the script. We have been working together on some cool projects on both our channels and we will be continuing to do that, so make sure that you are staying tuned!

[@NihilSineRex1881]

Your video is awesome. But didn't the Bulgarian Empire retained the parts of modern day south and eastern Romania (Moldavia and Wallachia) and a lil bit of Transylvania? 3:45 Some maps of Bulgaria at its greatest extent in the early 10 th century show that they menrained control of modern day Romania tjrough vassalship. Why did you decide to remove it?

[@historyrhymes1701]

That is a bit of a touchy subject.We really can't know since we don't have enough sources. Though It is likely that Bulgarian control north of the Danube largely diminished by the early 10th century.

[@NihilSineRex1881]

@@historyrhymes1701 bur why didn't you add the Bulgarian Empire as the vassal of the Sergian Empire? In some videos or history channels, Bulgaria is shown as a vassal od Serbian Empire. Is because that you don't like seeing Bulgaria as a vassal od Serbia? Or it is something else? I know this is a touchy subject between the Serbia-Bulgaria relations but I was curious about it. And what di ypu think of Balkan Odyssey (Serbian Mapping)? Are with him or against him? I know that you commented on his channel about smth. Right?

[@Chronos4088]

@@NihilSineRex1881 Relax buddy, you're accusing him of a lot here. It's obvious that you're of Serbian descent, being so stereotypically defensive for no reason. Just ask him why instead of accusing him of falsifying history.

[@NihilSineRex1881]

@@Chronos4088 it’s not an accusation. It’s just saying something that some people find it odd. There are also people who can point problems too.

[@VersusPretor]

To be honest, the entire modern European civilization is the heir of Rome, not just country, but the whole civilization

[@Redjoekido]

Yep. These countries were curved up from old Roman territories.

[@giaz2191]

And with this, we are done.

[@Ragnarok__]

you kind have a point but Europe today has zero similarities with Rome. all this liberalism and equality created a whole new culture. I would say that Rome culture truly fell into WWI. It was already in decay but that was the final blow

[@whoisjoe5610]

Bruh, "European civilization" doesn't exist, there is no actual unifying entity between every single European country, unless we consider the EU, which is very much in infancy and controversial as it is.

[@dragooll2023]

Do greek civilization come from roman civilization?

[@scorpionfiresome3834]

The way i see it, Italy’s and Greece’s claim the most legitimate, Italy is where Rome originated from and Italian is very closely tied to Latin, the Byzantines dropped Latin altogether and started using Greek instead. On the other hand, the Byzantines, although heavily Hellenized, still were the remnants of what Rome owned after the West fell.

[@Billswiftgti]

It is a culture interchange, Romans became a little Greek and Greeks became a little Roman

Eastern Roman empire preserved the Roman identity regardless if they dropped latin over the centuries

[@Billswiftgti]

@@christos3280 yes. Even the late ancient Roman Empire administrators and emperors also spoke Greek even though they were Roman. Greek culture was taking over.

[@Billswiftgti]

@@christos3280 Yes Romans spoke Greek even though they were Roman, it was considered the language of drama, science, math and medicine. About Res Publica though, they spoke Latin. Julius Caesar, Marcus Aurelius, all educated Romans spoke Greek as their FIRST language during their childhood. It is all history you can look it up.

[@Billswiftgti]

@@christos3280 and now we both speak English while we know Greek.

[@randomnessrules4971]

There is also Vatican City, Germany, Austria, and the obvious Romania.

[@filtchev.thy_drunk]

Also north macedonia

[@zyanego3170]

@@filtchev.thy_drunk and Spain.

[@filtchev.thy_drunk]

@@zyanego3170 i did not know that spain has claimed to be descended of the roman empire thanks for the info

[@zyanego3170]

@@filtchev.thy_drunk The Eastern Roman Emperor sold his title to the King of Spain before the fall of Constantinople.

[@filtchev.thy_drunk]

@@zyanego3170 interesting

[@rostdreadnorramus4936]

Germany also kind of made a claim, and plenty of other nations have attempted to copy different aspects of Rome even if they didn't consider themselves successors, such as Spain, Britain, the United States, and much of the Western and Western influenced world.

[@dungo4389]

YES GERMANY IS HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!

[@nocive7381]

USA ????????

[@machtvonhre8979]

austria* germany is just Austria Inferior we ruled HRE for 800 years so it makes sense that we should have the claim of the roman empire

[@Billswiftgti]

@@nocive7381 yes USA subtly winks the eye to people claiming that it is an "empire", of Western type, having the eagle as symbol and world "freedom" as mission.

[@DirectorReiuji]

@@Billswiftgti Also to add, a lot of government buildings in the US follow the Roman Empire style of building, so you could say very well the US does acts like the Roman Empire, just only subtlety

[@xano2921]

Eastern Rome was not a claimant tho, was what remained of the empire after the fall of the West, they existed in a continuum

[@wakeno.6047]

Exactly.

[@Ragnarok__]

Nah, they were just a greek little kingdom that was bully by everyone.

[@danielemenichini3930]

@@Ragnarok__ and you just won the price for the most ignorant comment below this video, congrats

[@Ragnarok__]

@@danielemenichini3930 Ignorant are those who don't understand Roman law

[@danielemenichini3930]

@@Ragnarok__ ignorant is Who call a 1000 years empire/state a Little bullied Kingdom. Lol you claim to be a scholar of Roman law and yet you are referring to the pars orientis as "a Kingdom". Get some good sleep, you Need it

[@NuclearQajar]

Wales also has a claim. The Kingdom of Gwynedd was established by local Roman officers in Wales after the Legions left Britannia. They tried to run the kingdom the same way as it was run as a Roman province and they were only conquered by England in the 1200s.

[@Boretheory]

EPIC

[@denizbeytekin9853]

I am Turkish and “Mehmet the Conqueror” always called himself as “Kayser-i Rum”, which translates to “Roman Emperor”, rather than “Ottoman Sultan” after he took Constantinople.

[@aksmex2576]

@@denizbeytekin9853 kayser = ceaser

[@SimplyAdverse]

@@denizbeytekin9853 First off nobody cares you're an Anatolian (greek) muslim. Second off, he called himself Ruler/Conqueror/Emperor of Rum (Romans) because he CONQUERED the entirety of the Eastern Roman Empire. Not because he and his tribal confederation were of "roman descent".

[@itsprofessorcreeper2839]

Maybe the true successor of Rome is the friends we made along the way

[@MBP1918]

Rome is that one guy everyone tried to emulate but couldn’t match up to his greatness

[@Emilechen]

Roman empire is the only one empire able to reunites Western Europe of Latin culture, Eastern Europe of Greek culture, and Christianity, Roman Empre was the standard that no other nation able to challenge its domination, after the fall of Western Roma empire, no coutry can reunited allthe West,

[@machtvonhre8979]

latin culture is roman culture, modern italians still have latin blood, greek culture is another culture, they do not deserve the title of “heir of rome” instead they deserve “usurpers of rome”

[@Vlain-hc5sb]

@@machtvonhre8979 Says the german romanised "barbarian"

[@SYMBI05IS]

"Nobody can destroy Rome except Rome itself" "Kingdoms and Empires come and go, but Rome itself is Eternal"

[@abdulhakimsaid9264]

Zaten Roma içten bozulurken düştü!(476)

[@ocean7849]

@@abdulhakimsaid9264 the fuck. Who said that?

[@ocean7849]

Beautifully said. Roma aeterna victrix

[@muratbozan1588]

but the ottoman 1453 put an end to eastern roman on may 29th

[@abdulhakimsaid9264]

@@muratbozan1588...On dit:"Byzance apres Byzance!!!"Ne pas oublier!/Derler:"bizans bizansdan sonra...Vesselâm!

[@LaSenioraKittehz]

The Principality of Theodoro the last rump state of the Eastern Roman Empire could have also been included in this list as it fell in 1475.

[@plexusGD]

well it was a tiny city state in crimea which was completely surrounded by genoese crimea and had no access to the sea so i dont see them making a very good claim

[@denizbeytekin9853]

I am Turkish and “Mehmet the Conqueror” always called himself as “Kayser-i Rum”, which translates to “Roman Emperor”, rather than “Ottoman Sultan” after he took Constantinople.

[@plexusGD]

@@denizbeytekin9853 yeah but nobody recognized that title and im pretty sure the sultans after him didnt claim it

[@barbarianremover2463]

Imagine your empire is so big and cultural diversed that even after death, Your enemies and allies all claimed to be your descendents

[@atom7216]

*ANCIENT ROME IS ITALY, ITALY IS ANCIENT ROME*

[@DivineHellas]

And Greece 🇬🇷

[@alexanderi1183]

What an insult to Rome.

[@rickyyacine4818]

@@alexanderi1183 eastern rome 😇 Western rome 😕

[@gelisgeo1309]

Heirs of Rome are Italians and Greeks. Romeocatholic and Greekorthodox church are the result of the separation between west and east . All the other are just copies

[@GeoBBB123]

Indeed!

[@90skidcultist]

The Italians more so. 100%, even. They can literally change their name back to Rome, and it would be legitimate. We never founded Rome, however. We were conquered by it, but we ended up ruling it for over a thousand years. So, it's debatable that we are the heirs of Rome. I can go either way on that subject.

[@gelisgeo1309]

@UCbVrOO6dGsFg5NQTexZ61_Q we founded new rome. Ferthermore Greeks was only different ethnicity that had right to use the rome titles even in classical rome.

[@ismailsafavi1611]

Okay clearly you didnt hear the arguments used and you are discrediting this good video Rome used to be pagan it changed its religion once it could so twice not that i believe the ottomans are heirs neither do i believe the greeks , Italians on the other hand with the Visigothic, Lombar and Frankish invasions and even prior germanic settlement is 100000% roman you are correct and i remeber how Caesar and Augustus said if they are not christians then they are not romans 100% fact . Rome was an idea take your genetic and Christian purity ideas and burn them just like the romans did btw. Rome is an Idea not a nationality but having said that Byzantium was the only true successor but after that so many things changed that claiming a single state 2000 years later is a true claimant is silly even the greeks can agree that in 600 years since they were conquered so much changed that its almost impossible to claim successorship to Rome.it is an immortal idea that lives everywhere in the world

[@gelisgeo1309]

@@ismailsafavi1611 Rome wasn't idia Rome was the result of of Hellenic and Italian tribes and their way of life.( Genetical are almost the same). Way of life of Science and high Culture. Even under 200-600 years (dipens the area) under ottoman empire the most of Greeks never lose their traditions their religion and their culture. Modern Greek have the same religion the same costumes the same tradition the same Names and they live almost in the same area with Byzantine Romans. T the same exist olso for western rome. The empire failed but the people are the same and they keep their tradition . At greek revolution war of 1821 , French generals ask Greek General Kolokotronis to make capitulation with Ottoman Sultan. He answer : my king (K.Paleologos 1453) never surrendered . He did not surrend the nation to anyone. I do not have the right to do that either This is an example of continuation.

[@elitefataja248]

Roman Republic: underrated Start Roman Empire: The Magnus Opus Byzantine Empire: The continuation that was popular as Rome HRE: Weird Non-Canon fanfiction Ottoman Empire: Critically panned "sequel" of Byzantium Russia: The Greater well received fanfiction Serbia: Limited Series of Slavia Bulgaria: Like Serbia but it was more popular Italy: the sequel no one asked and killed the legacy

[@gabenewell6998]

Spain: The critically claimed sequel

[@markoscream8466]

This is great! Pretty fair and unbaised, and I adore how you recognize a vassalized Bosnia to the Serbian Empire! If only the massacre of Maritsa didn't happen...

[@bosanski_Cevap]

True. Normally bosnia is just drawed as annexed by the serbian empire which is wrong.

[@Bleilock1]

Lol serbian empire xD

[@bosanski_Cevap]

@@Bleilock1 it is called the serbian empire. It is a historic fact

[@Bleilock1]

@@bosanski_Cevap just by serbs xD

[@GameandComedy]

@Skanderbeg LMFAO you're a living joke 😂

[@TheDAWinz]

Good video Bulgarian. Basil 2 has decided you would not be blinded today.

[@historyrhymes1701]

Phew

[@tylerellis9097]

Rip Basil II getting slandered to this day

[@claus1516]

@Basil the 2nd of Macedon - the Vardaska slayer The whole world knows that Samuil was bulgarian, so...

[@SimplyAdverse]

Good comment Greek. Khan Krum has decided he won't turn your skull into a cup today.

[@mrstealyoclips3893]

Technically,Greece is that rightful "heir" to the Roman Empire, being the part of byzantine (roman empire) that actually fell last.

[@danielemenichini3930]

This comment Doesnt make any damn sense lol that's not how you decide who's something's heir. Ps: the heir of the roman Empire Is the whole west, but if you want to appoint a nation to be it that would be Italy for geographic/cultural reasons

[@Sendo664]

Italy merged from the barbaric invasion (ostrogoths,langobards etc) and is on some sense germanic. So why it is italy? That make no sense. Greeks otherwise called themselves before 100 years as romans and "Romios" was the term of the ethnic greek. Greece has by the far the biggest claim

[@danielemenichini3930]

@@Sendo664 yeah lets ignore the 500+ years of ottoman domination of Greece lol seriously how could be Greece, Just look at their language, modern greek Is the son of ancient greek, It has nothing to do with latin. Of course greek called themselves romans, they were romans de iure After the third century ad as well as gallic/britannic tribes inside the limes of the empire. The fact that the greek province Just survived more centuries Doesnt make It the heir. Romans called Italy "rectrix mundi", It wasnt a province, It was the domina of all provinces. Ostrogothic and longobardic Kingdom are called roman-barbaric kingdom. If Italy Is germanic (and It Is in a certain %) because of barbaric domination, then greek Is ottoman

[@Sendo664]

@@danielemenichini3930 i like to compare the roman empire with canada on this case. Canada isnt full english according to culture and language but also french. Lets say the english part of canada will not exist anymore in the future for whatever reason but the french part of it survive and speak only french. Will french canadians not be canadians because the main english part dont exist anymore? Thats the case with the roman empire. The roman empire was divided linguisticly and cultural in 2 parts. The latin west and the greek east. The west felt and the east survived. It doesnt matter how the roman empire started but i understand your argumentation and i dont say its fully nonesense. I think italy could be claimant from the western roman empire while greece from the eastern part. I think thats the most reasonable solution. But yeah. I dont say it to disrespect italy or italians. But western european countries emerged from the barbarian invasion. Its a historical fact

[@danielemenichini3930]

@@Sendo664 nice point but latin kept to be the official language of the pars orientis for 2 centuries After the fall of the west, at that days greek was like nowadays english, the language that everyone (more or less) could understand and speak. The official language change was a (tipical) pragmatic Roman choice. For exemple lets look at the religion, when you think about the roman one you think at the christians or at the olimpic gods? Rome officially changed religion in the IV century but at his summit It was italic and pagan. I see greeks more as the heirs of the glorious city state and makedonians

[@mihneavoinic8411]

Everybody for some reason: we are the third Rome! Romania which is literally named after Rome: pathetic

[@ivokantarski6220]

Romania the funny wannabe. It doesnt deserve to be called after Rome. It never deserved.

[@vranceanknight4212]

@@ivokantarski6220 Russia is the actual wannabe, since it has no ties to Rome. Romania has linguistic, historical and cultural ties to both Rome and Byzantium.

[@Boyar300AV]

@@vranceanknight4212 Russian rulers did have dynastic connection to Roman emperors. Meanwhile Romania was backyard of Turks lol. If not for Russia, Romania never exist as independent state from Turkey.

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@duxromanorum9861 as a Bulgarian what I know is the Russian army didnt manage to conquer that rectangular shaped defence in south Dobrugea. I dunno. It wouldve been ugly if they were the 1s who took it. Technically its them who helped us get free but once we heared of the San Stefano map that instantly became the big dream. Other than that area the Russian army was enjoying much freedom. The local Bulgarian population was on their side. Russia was a bit greedy tbh. So big and wanted more. They shouldve given you Moldova and let us have Dobrugea. After all we are the 1s to border the Ottomans for the future. A few hundred thousand inhabitants more wouldnt be bad. Through Romanian situation against the third most populated European based power A&H wasnt good either. The Balkan league dude if only we didnt had these German kings. Tf full of them in our area. Imagine even Romania in Balkan union. By 1916 the first world war be over. The Ottomans be lucky to capture Odrin. In order to make large offences there they would need to leave other regions which would get flooded by Russian hordes or the British hordes in the middle east. A&H barely pushed Serbia until Bulgaria and Germamy steped in. Bulgaria specially flanking and completely screwing up the Serb efforts. Imagine if Serbia instead of being flanked could receive half a million entente soldiers even earlier.

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@duxromanorum9861 did u just call Bulgarians Tatars? Tho that area definately had more Turks than Bulgarians. Some regions gotta be fair the Turks managed to outnumber us. I think if the Russians tried to make us both bigger then we could both strike better at their opponents. Giving Romania the Dobrugean land was a mistake. Truth be told I understand the logic that they have to earn something directly for themselves in this war. Cant just free some1 and make another 1 bigger and that's it. Through in the long terms it couldve paid well. Russia did bet on Serbia too much. Shouldve bet on Bulgaria as Bulgarians were far more likely to be useful. Serbia is on the other side of geography. We are closer to the Ottoman capital so if we allied then big army can turn up to the Ottoman capital and that be the end of that stupid struggle we all experienced. The best thing was to not start a second Balkan war. Our German king ordered the army to go. Romania interfered and then got schooled in 1916 by less numerous Bulgarian force. Shouldnt have been that way. The Danude shouldve been the fine border between us. Simple as that. Again. If Balkan union was together in ww1 the war be ending 2 years earlier. The Ottoman state falls in a year due to lack of man power and defences collapsing and large army turns into A&H along with the Romanian army not being over run like in real history. So A&H be facing a lot of soldiers by 1916. It definitely was a relief it didnt had to bother with Serbia. That area wouldve become full of Entente troops. A&H was the underbelly of Germany. It was a push over and that proven since Russia itself managed to best it in occasions.

[@paul5475]

I think Ottoman Empire has a point.

[@arolemaprarath6615]

No. Mongols cannot be Rome

[@hornyteenager_count7mates]

@@arolemaprarath6615 it could be

[@makutas-v261]

Eastern Rome was the only true one, actual continuation of the original Rome emperor bloodline, and Constantine The Great was also the emperor of the original Rome.

[@nestormakepontos9700]

And from there on, Romans slowly started calling themselfs what they really were : Hellenes

[@Epicrandomness1111]

What bloodline? Heraclius was a usurper.

[@d0eif9rgu9rjh]

@@Epicrandomness1111 yes he was however his usurping reason was to save the empire from the more worster usurper:phocas usually after he defeated the sassanids and his ass beaten down by rashidun invasions he changed it to a new religion and reformed the eastern roman empire into a hellenic empire which made it worst also the bloodlines are too many

[@gs7828]

@@nestormakepontos9700 True, Romans called themselves Italians again.

[@ilFrancotti]

"Napoleon, being a native Italian.." *Furious French noises in the background*

[@Tortellobello45]

Well, he was.

[@machtvonhre8979]

Yes, I bet he had latin blood too, as modern italians are the descendants of rome

[@rollolol6053]

@@Tortellobello45 No he wasn't. He is born exactly one year after France took effective control of Corsica, after the Genoese sold it to them.

[@user-ry6ey8gq3t]

@@duxromanorum9861 Berdanotte was a french général of the empire, so your comparison have no sens, plus he his one of the greatest treacherous to the fatherland. Napoléon is just a french

[@Enigmashoot]

What a great itaian he would be hahaha He despised italians en saw them as weak and feminine

[@hyperion3145]

Spain has never officially made the claim but they are also a valid legal successor to Rome through Byzantium, the next in line to the Palaiologos family (Andreas Palaiologos) made the Catholic Monarchs his heirs. Spain didn't really use it at all iirc. Andreas apparently was raised in Rome with other Byzantine exiles and planned several expeditions to restore it. At the same time he sold the title to France but people regard the legality of this as dubious. Ironically not the first time someone bought the title of Roman Emperor.

[@basilacis5661]

I was thinking to make a list with all the claimants of the title of Roman Empire, but you made it and is in a very nice and short video!!!

[@kluchka7206]

No fucking way you changed this much WHAT A LEGEND YOU ARE. At first I thought to myself "What is this channel it seems good". Then I notice you're name and was impressed. Very well man.

[@liquidmarble2545]

Didn't Ferdinand II and Isabella of Spain bought the title and claims to title of "Emperor of Rome"? I remember some of them used the title, even if just for prestige.

[@GeldtheGelded]

Yeah, but andreas palailogos also sold the title to France, so it's not that valid

[@seanegli7118]

Great art!

[@Layre-nh4tu]

Thanks for this very nice video, i am gonna subscribe :)

[@barrankobama4840]

Great video.

[@leandrostsilis5730]

The Eastern Roman emperors began using Greek titles with Heracleus the A being the first emperor to claim the Greek title "Vasilevs" (king)

[@GameandComedy]

Great video Slavic brother 👍 greetings from Serbia

[@YuriCcrt34]

this is so high quality

[@Astromamut]

As I said in the last video, that comment fits here better: I have an idea. Since North Macedonia has been historically disputed between Serbia and Bulgaria, has a name dispute with Greece, and has a large Albanian population, and is also located exactly between Rome and Constantinople, To avoid future conflicts, we should all temporarily forget our differences and unite to form a new country with the capital in North Macedonia because it is the central state. And I'm not talking about recreating the Byzantine Empire, that would imply a war with Turks and further expansion. No, we'll call this new country the Holy Roman Empire.

[@liborkozak8938]

That would be almost as big pile of mess as the original one was

[@ivokantarski6220]

Disagree. How about Bulgaria taking its land back and all else shut up? Gosh if the leo wakes up again next time neighbours be receiving the ars whopping of their life.

[@Silver_Prussian]

Its like you took every bad alt history idea and mix it into one thing

[@sapphiregrain5383]

Nobody seems to understand your sarcasm

[@ophis181]

Concerning France, there's is something else, before Charlemagne. The very country of France, or Kingdom of the Franks, as it was called at this time, was established in Gallia Belgicae, under the authority of Rome. Indeed, Merovech swore fealty to the Empire, and that is actually the reason they expanded south after the West's fall. Childeric and Clovis, Merovech successors, invaded the south (the Vandal kingdom) with the excuse of "restoring the Pax Romana", as official governors of the Roman administration in Gaul. And this legitimacy didn't disappear with West's fall, as the Eastern Emperor even nominated Clovis as "Consul of the Gauls", according to the (pre-schism) Bishop Gregory de Tours. And it is all that, that was the root for Charlemagne's claim on the Roman Emperor title (actually, he even considered to marry Irene, which could have really reunited and reformed the Empire) Long story short : France built itself on its legal claim to be a Roman province, governed by Roman officials

[@tylerellis9097]

How? Tell me right how Charlemagne marrying Irene would reunite the Empires? •Irene was too old to have kids, •unpopular and would be deposed within a couple years, •Charlemagne already had heirs and Gavelkind inheritance. •The Franks lost against the Byzantines at Venice, they have no way to project power in Constantinople or guarantee Irene’s control on the throne. • The Byzantines would never recognize him as Emperor Etc etc worst Alternate history scenario for reunited Rome. Otto III having kids with Zoe(Basil IIs niece) before he dies would mean more than that scenario.

[@ophis181]

@@tylerellis9097 Calm down bro, it didn't say it could have happened, I said Charlemagne and some Eastern Romans considered this to be an option for a time. And yes , it would have reunited the Empire, at least for a moment. If it didn't happen in the end, there's a reason

[@tylerellis9097]

@@ophis181 Irene considered it, her courtiers stopped it from happening. Ask yourself right now how a marriage would work, how would he get to Constantinople or vice versa? How does a marriage equal a reunited empire? You post this meme alternate history scenario without actually knowing the history and it’s cringe bro.

[@themysteriousstranger798]

@@ophis181 the Frankish Empire wasn't even a legitimate succesor to the Western Roman Empire. Just like Voltaire noted on the HRE: it wasn't Holy, it wasn't Roman, it wasn't even an Empire.

[@ophis181]

@@themysteriousstranger798 Indeed, and that's why they never reunited the Empire.

[@miguelpereira934]

Fun fact is that if we go with lineage, the closes thing to the Roman Empire we have today is the Reign of Spain. There was a video about it by the youtuber who has a lot of charts. The video, of course, explains it wy better than me in this comment.

[@rest1tutor693]

France also claimed the title of Roman Emperor when Andreas Palaiologos, the nephew of Constantine XI Palaiologos, sold his titles to Charles VIII of France in 1494.

[@themysteriousstranger798]

The Eastern Roman Empire had already fallen at that point, the position of emperor was defunct.

[@subutaykhan9387]

A sold title doesnt mean shit

[@-Eisenfaust-]

The Byzantines wanted to prevent the Ottomans from taking their place. And France has always been jealous of the Habsburg emperors.

[@bvillafuerte765]

@@subutaykhan9387Sure…

[@oolooo]

As a Hispanic American , I can confidently say the Hispanic Empire was not only the Second Roma in culture , language , religion and deed but also was better than Rome at being Rome .Rome spread its culture and ethnic identity , Spain did it twice over .

[@princepssenatus7607]

have you read the comics? none of the rulers of the so-called Spanish Empire was Roman, go and look at their origins .. and the Spaniards have never been Romans but Iberians .. Romans are Italic

[@gabenewell6998]

Not only that, but Spain also had the strongest legal argument as well. If there was one thing that Romans valued most, it was law and order.

[@bvillafuerte765]

@@princepssenatus7607 Remember the Catholic Monarchs and Carlos 5 from Germany and 1 from Spain.

[@princepssenatus7607]

@@bvillafuerte765 so ? Spanish have nothing in commoun whit romans-italics

[@barrankobama4840]

Constantine didn't move the capital to Constantinople. Depending of what we meant for "capital" he created another one, but didn't removed the previous. He created a second Senate, but kept the first one, moreover only the first one had authority over the whole Empire. This will change around 50 years later, when each Senate was given exclusive authority over its part of the Empire. Even when Justinian re-conquered Italy, he confirmed the role of Rome as co-capital, even if by then it was a de Iure only capital, with modest actual political relevance. If we assume that a pacific partition makes all parts continuation of the previous state, Eastern Rome was without a doubt the continuation of the Roman Empire. But so would be the case for states that seceded from the Empire but maintained their administration, such as Rome, Venice and other.

[@mitchymasar9549]

Holy Roman Empire had Slavic language speaking countries as well. Such as the Slovenians. (Albeit they are an extremely Germanic influenced country with probably even a little added german admixture)

[@DrHouseMusic]

Slovenians were a small population, the majority of Slavic populace in HRE was in modern East Germany and also Czechs

[@turkcukayi]

Logically, the central territory of Western Roman was the Italian peninsula, while the central territory of Eastern Roman was Anatolia. Today's Turks are a mixture of Turkish and Eastern Roman peoples. However, the most accurate definition may be: The Roman Empire was too universal to belong to one nation.

[@subutaykhan9387]

@@Oscar-us6sv yeah true, central asian oghuz Turks look like Atatürk a man with blue eyes and blond hair.

@Tom K That's correct, at least in English. In Turkish we don't even make that distinction because until the 19th century Türk meant specifically Turkic, and the urban Turkish speakers of Anatolia and the Balkans simply called themselves Muslims. So, after the nationalization process that whole business of who is Turkish has gotten very confusing.

@Tom K No. At least not exactly. Greeks have this partially misinformed understanding that the coastal Anatolia, or "western Turkey" as they often refer to it, is culturally and demographically similar to Greece and the eastern regions of Anatolia are alien and strange, to make sense of an already confusing and intricate situation. But that's not the case. The entire peninsula was equally Hellenized before the fall of Rome and in fact, most of the Turkic tribes who migrated to Anatolia settled in the Inner Aegean as it best fit their pastoral lifestyle. So if anything the western Turks are more Turkic. This confusion is reinforced by the fact that most Balkan refugees during the collapse of the Ottomans were settled in the Aegean, and they look much more European naturally. But not because theyre Greeks. (Mind you, I say this not to refute that the genetics of modern Turkey are heavily Roman/Greek, but the myth of Western Turkey and so on) If you are very interested, you can check out a video I've posted a while ago of my genetics. I'm half Macedonian immigrant, half from Kemah, Erzincan, right on the eastern border of Anatolia. Today the lands beyond it are also falsely referred to as Anatolia, but I try to use the term in its proper historical and geographical meaning.

[@user-jf6yv8rj2s]

@ That's right. You are half Macedonian immigrant. In Western or coastal Turkey, in 1923 after the population exchange, between Greece and Turkey, the immigrants have settled mostly in this area. For my opinion, the ancestors of all these people, had diverted to Muslim, probably centuries ago. But religion of course can't diverse the blood line. That is another reason for my opinion, why people of Western Turkey are more close to Greeks.

[@k0kl0l69]

Russia is pretty much the ultimate successor of the cultural heritage left by the Byzantine empire. Even Moscow is often times called "The third Rome".

[@themysteriousstranger798]

It wasn't a cultural successor. Much of the "arguments" are rooted in old tales and mysticism, not in factual, historical information. All Ivan the 3rd did was to marry a niece of the former Byzantine Emperor, and just that. Years after the death of Ivan, his son would die childless, marking the end of the Rurik Dynasty.

[@zabitykaszalotnietonie6352]

EU4 simp lol

[@jonijoestar6871]

It had literally zero Connection to Roman Empire except its ruler marriage with exiled illegitimate head of Paliologoi family

[@gurcuball6193]

Bro Russia Just claming Rome because they are Orrhodox. But being an Orthodox doesnt make Russia successor of Rome.

[@imperatorisamoderzhetsvser2564]

@@jonijoestar6871 cyrillic vestiment infreastructure headed eagle dinasty paliologos incons virgin marie originally constantinople traslation in moskva kremlin vladimir the great contact constantinople sons and ivan iii y zoe 😊

[@hazorg16]

You said that no European power accepted the Ottoman claim to being 'Rome' but the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of the time legitimized Mehmed II as the Kayser-i Rûm (Ceasar of Rome)

[@kasadam85]

What do you expect from a Bulgarian mapper?

[@hazorg16]

@@kasadam85 lmao yeah my boys Ottomans get a lot of hate especially from the Balkans but they were as imperial as it gets. Mehmed was an enlightened man and a true Ceasar. It's a shame that the so-called Suleiman the Magnificent couldn't live up to his ancestors' might and wisdom.

[@hazorg16]

@handri i emperorship is something that can be conquered. this happened numerous times throughout history. emperors can be deposed and coups had been made. the right to role, imperium as it was known, was acquired through conquest and blade right. mehmet controlled constantinople (aka nova roma aka new rome) and had every right to proclaim himself caesar and he did just that

[@mrchewy679]

I will watch this channel a bit more, cuz I didnt know that Bulgaria used to be that huge (bigger then the serbian empire, but similarly shaped)! I always wanted to learn more of Bulgarian history, and now, tnx to the KZbin's weird ass algorithm, I can. Thank you good sir!

[@doof497]

Huh. I love the voice and topic. Really surprised I wasn't subscribed...

[@flemishnationalist-prayfor9809]

The modern Dutch and Luxembourgers descent from the Franks, so you could have included the Netherlands and Luxembourg on that map as well.

[@umuturtimur9804]

After the Ottoman sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinopol, he gave himself the title of Kaiser-i Rum, that is, Caesar of Rome. Mehmet the second claimed that his ancestry was based on the Byzantine Kommenos dynasty, and before he died, he wanted his body to be buried on the tomb of the Byzantine Emperor.

[@paki_baloch]

Yes orhan bey had married a Byzantine princess Theodora and her son sultan Murad became the next ruler after him

[@user-jf6yv8rj2s]

And he was crowned by the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, who had the authority and crowned all the previous Roman Emperors.

[@Boretheory]

@@user-jf6yv8rj2s the patriarch was and had always had been an imperial puppet..... well another point for the ottomans!

[@user-jf6yv8rj2s]

@@Boretheory I don't think he was a puppet. He was given the title of the "chief" of Rum-Millet. Which I think was something like, he had the high authority over all the Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire.

[@danikameran6753]

Impressive!

[@user-zn4bm6wl8z]

Cool!!!

[@ITALICVS]

Roman civilization influenced the whole of Europe and over time became a multicultural empire. But at the beginning Romans were nothing more than ancient Italians who acted like other empires, that is, invading other lands, conquering and dominating them. Until Caracalla in 212 AD only Italians had Roman citizenship by right and enjoyed various privileges, which is why there were several revolts. Italy was the only territory that was not a Roman province, but Domina Provinciarum (sovereign), and the political and economical center of the empire. At the moment of maximum expansion under Trajan in 117 AD the Romans wrote "italia rectrix mundi" (Italy rules the world). A century later, citizenship was given to all the inhabitants of the empire which changed completely, but at the time of Caesar and Augustus, Rome was a uniquely Italian empire. The "titles of succession" are jokes, the empire is concluded and even his legal successor from the East became a different civilization and distant from classical Rome. There remains only the culture and history left by Rome, and many in Europe and even outside, have some, but the only nation that can be considered the cultural heir of the Roman Empire is obviously Italy.

[@thewitchking852]

A someone who has studied roman history for years, I feel like Greece does have its own claim. Eastern Rome literally lasted a millennium. Constantinople had long been the capital of the Roman world. The multicultural empire that Rome became shifted east throughout it's existence. This started as early as Mark Antony who seized the East knowing its potential. The only reason people distance Greece or Istanbul from the Roman legacy is the events of the 20th century. After Greece's defeat in the Greco-Turkish war, ideas of restoring "Basileía Rhōmaíōn" died out and there was a concerted effort to look at Greece as an Athenian style "Hellenic Republic" The fact that the west discounts a thousand years of of Roman rule in the middle ages (which is frankly the only reason western civilization survived to become what it is) is honestly a travesty and the fact that it took video games to introduce me to the "Byzantines" is just wild.

[@nestormakepontos9700]

Rome influenced Europe as much as the Greeks influenced the Romans

[@RealSnuuy]

Turkey be like: i know we just colonized this place but now we are the succesors of Rome.

[@Emilechen]

Turkey like to rpetend to be suessor of eveyrone, from Rome, Caliphate to Huns, but they ignore their Anatolian ancestor Hittite Empire,

[@icantcomeupwithagoodusername]

I mean like, as far as claims go my opinion is that theirs is the best one. Not a good one, but the best one

[@haouuu4996]

Catholics just destroyed Constantinople while the Ottomans have completely rebuild it in better

[@machtvonhre8979]

@@haouuu4996 yeah, the ottomans were 102928219% not barbarians with horses and bows. you were a steppe tribe. there is no way in hell you could build walls better than romans. (Specifically latins, not greeks)

[@haouuu4996]

@@machtvonhre8979 We can see that the wall was very useful ;)

[@newzealandmapping537]

Historically it should be Greece, If we are thinking capital it is Italy and Turkey, If We Look At Christianity It Is France, Germany, and Russia.

[@jaghatai_bulut]

As a turk, ottomans claiming to be successors of the roman empire is so funny to me. I mean my ancestors literally travelled the entire asia, came to west khorasan, started invading anatolia and finally after they conquered constantinapole they were like "ey, man yeah we are totally romans, its not like we were nomads who never had the time to stay in somewhere long enough to engage in masonry the days rome built giant pillars n shit, lol"

[@DavideKuras]

Finally someone gets it you don't have nothing roman only Istanbul i must respect you

[@Cheur]

I think Spain is the successor to Roman it is legally as they bought the title

[@historyrhymes1701]

Yeah I've heard that a Paleologian exile sold the title

[@GeldtheGelded]

@@historyrhymes1701 He also sold it to the french

[@user-xh7wg6yn5o]

wrong

[@machtvonhre8979]

@@user-xh7wg6yn5o gr*eks can argue how much they want about “heir of rome” but the romans weren’t greek. They were latin. modern italians have latin descendants, so they are romans. Go cry about turks taking your precious constantinople somewhere else

@@machtvonhre8979 oh Greeks can claim since Italy belonged to Greeks centuries before romans arrived to Italy Greeks had magna Grecia also romans were Greeks mix etruscans also rome was not longer the capital of Roman empire Constantinople was the official capital and Greeks were present in the western Anatolia for thousands of years since the ancient ionia so romans barely had any influence over there

[@georgyzhukov6409]

ironic that most of these were big enemies of rome

[@kasadam85]

You gotta topple who's on top to take his place you know

[@leoflorida95]

Fun fact: Charles I from spain was the only person to have both titles of Holy Roman Emperor and East Roman Emperor

[@bvillafuerte765]

And West Roman Emperor.

[@leoflorida95]

@@bvillafuerte765 how, that title ended in 475 ad

[@lekmanqk7880]

I dont know , but this man is 🔥

[@SimplyAdverse]

Vlado the Serbslayer (Shtipqneca)

[@lekmanqk7880]

@@SimplyAdverse bro talkin in 80 years ago

[@SimplyAdverse]

@@lekmanqk7880 Yeah lol the beginning of Bulgarian liberation in Macedonia 1941

[@OLYMPIANgreek]

Latin and Greek can consider themselves romans

[@machtvonhre8979]

face the truth, GREEK IS NOT ROMAN. IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM.

[@OLYMPIANgreek]

@@machtvonhre8979 too sad my ancestors byzantine called themselves Romans

[@wakeno.6047]

@@machtvonhre8979 "Holy Roman Empire" 🤣🤣, fastest joke ever said.

[@alpaslan4881]

@@OLYMPIANgreek If a Nigerian calls himself Hans, does it make him German?

[@denizbeytekin9853]

I am Turkish and “Mehmet the Conqueror” always called himself as “Kayser-i Rum”, which translates to “Roman Emperor”, rather than “Ottoman Sultan” after he took Constantinople.

[@Geo07ism]

The Ottoman Empire did include the Romans and the Rum Millet and the ultimate ruler of all the subjects was the Sultan so in a sense the Sultan was the ruler of the Romans, though I wouldn't call him a Roman Emperor

[@Chachy1337]

@@Geo07ism Thats your christian bias speaking, the first Roman empire was pagan the second was christian why can't the third be muslim? even then, the ottoman empire resembled the byzantines in some regards, court intrigue, powerful elite military forces who were king-makers(janissaries/Varangians). Sure, their origin was "alien" , being a turkic beylik with a semi-nomadic past. but they eventually resembled the byzantines more than their turkic cousins in central asia.

[@Geo07ism]

@@Chachy1337 I'm not Christian and the only reason the Ottoman Empire resembled the Byzantine is because it drew from its culture as it conquered its land and people. The Ottomans started off as nomads, they obviously didn't have city culture.

[@arolemaprarath6615]

@@Geo07ism ottoman Empire was heavily hellenised.

[@handrijulianto154]

@@Chachy1337 I dont know maybe because the real and actual legit ruler that have claim to Roman throne that is Roman Emperor Theodosius was actually really officially declared christianity to be the state religion and not conquer kingdom declared their religion to be the state religion just because they conquer the land, by the logic that Ottoman have right because they rule the land of Eastern Roman is just like saying Visigoth and Charlemagne to be the successor because their conquer and rule Western Roman land the land where all of Roman history begun. So there are not no one that actually a real succesor of Roman Empire, it not Holy Roman Empire, not Spain, not Ottoman, not Tsar, and also not French because there are no legit Roman Emperor that ever proclaimed them to be the succesor. But if Ottoman have made Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos to proclaim them to be his succesor that will be different story because thats mean Ottoman really under a legit official ruler of Roman empire being proclaim as it succesor but as far we know thats never happen.

[@stathispapageorgiou8735]

Basileia ton Rhomaion or Eastern Roman Empire was the truly Rome for many reasons such as: 1) The late emperor Flavius Theodosius I Augustus divided Roman empire to he sons Flavius Arcadius and Honorius (that means Western and Eastern Roman Empire was actually the Roman Empire ruled by two emperors in west and east) 2) All laws and imperial edicts continue to exist in the east provinces(ex. Constitutio Antoniniana(212AD) was an edict by the Emperor Caracalla and exists until 1453). 3) The late emperor Constantine after the end of civil war reformed the Empire and then moved the capital city from Rome to Byzantium, known after that as Nova Roma or Constantinopolis. The Emperor Constantine when he moved the capital he moved actually the identity of Rome itself because Constantinople were designed like Rome with 7 hills, a senate house , a circus or Hippodrome, Roman column from all provinces of the Empire and aqueduct. 4) After the sack of Ravenna 476AD and abolition of Western Empire the imperial insignia were sent to Constantinople by Odoacer. 5) Constantinople was the last capital city of the whole Roman Empire before the political division by Theodosius Augustus . After that division the capitals in the west was first Mediolanum and second Ravenna and in the east Constantinople remained as capital city.

[@DaviMTinhatyu]

Mr Z good to see you here

[@Ervil-bt2ye]

Every European deserves to be called a roman ancestor 🇪🇺💪

[@Ervil-bt2ye]

@Koda lmao yes

[@chadfromchad4662]

So Hungary falls?

[@malekaltayari3936]

Not true only Italian's

[@gurcuball6193]

No. Only Latins and Greeks.

[@Ervil-bt2ye]

@@gurcuball6193 ethnically yes Culturally not only them ( I meant Central and West Europe) Scandinavia and East Europe (Ukraine, Belearus and Russia) ain't tho

[@michaelaleman8421]

Hispania the sword of the roman empire, the good son of the Rome.

[@giannisosnapitzari]

Another one was the claimant of Roman empire: the popery. Popes were, during Renaissance, claimants of the ancient power of Rome and even they had to recover the art forms of Roman empire.

[@jasperpluk]

wait did you manage to get a collab video with monsieurZ? or is it just me thinking i'm hearing his voice xD

[@southpole4776]

There was only one legitimate claimant to the throne of Roman emperor. That is the Roman Empire, or more recently and incorrectly referred to as Byzantine Empire .

[@Emilechen]

Byzantine Empire is inable to claim the whole legacy of Roman Empire, especially when they lose Italy and Rome, and have other concurrent like Frank Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Rus, Ottomans... Byzantine Empire is just like the Shu Han factionof Liu bei in Chinese Three kingdom period,

[@southpole4776]

@@Emilechen nobody thinks of Frankish Empire or holy Roman Empire as anything related to roman empire. After western roman empire fell, the eastern roman emperor abolished the division of the empire and unified the empire again and legitimised under Justinian after which then held Rome for 2 centuries. There was nothing called Byzantine Empire. It is just a lame attempt by Western historians to discredit the Roman empire

[@Emilechen]

@@southpole4776 i think that we don't need to be so obsessed with the fact that who is the real sucessor of Roman Empire, because after th fall of Western Roman Empire, there are no anymore Empire able to reunited all the West, today, the Western World is divided in 3 powerhouses: US, EU and USSR/Russia, if one day, a country or an organization able to reunite Western and Eastern Europe, even Amercias, reunite Germanic, Latin, Greek and Slaic peoples, Catholicism and Orthidox, we can qualify it as the real successor of Roman Empire, in China, they dont care which of the Three kingdoms is the real sucessor of Han Empire, as long as you are inable to reunite China and make it as stong as the past, this kind of claim makes non sense, so finally, the Dynasty considered as legitimate suessor of Han Empire is not Cao Wei or Shu Han, but Tang Dynasty, so even Frankish Empire is not qualified to be successor of Roman Empire, as long as Eastern Roman Empire is inable to subjugate the Franks and take back the control of Rome, neither of the are qualified,

[@southpole4776]

@@Emilechen doesn't change the reality that roman empire was in one piece until 1453.

[@Emilechen]

@@southpole4776 in my opinion, Byzantine Empire is like later Ommeyade Caliohate in Spain or Republic of China in Taiwan,

[@user-qe8tr4wi9x]

We Greeks don't claim that we were rome... It's byzanyinum and it created with the Justinian on 444ad. Also I know that they claimed their shelves as Roman's but everything was greek by 393 so...

[@carlvonclausewitz3027]

but the Greeks know that they no longer have anything to do with the descendants of the Byzantines or Romans, by now you are more Turks, in any case you have worse problems to think about, such as disruptive debt, at most you can represent the Roman Empire in the last years of decline lol, especially after Constantinople is still in Turkish hands by the way

[@kasadam85]

@@carlvonclausewitz3027 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH-4pIKXd5qJaMU 💕

[@luxhistoriae1172]

South civilized Gallic looking at naked Northern soldier: « I don’t know this guy »

[@prophecyinchristaboveall1825]

The Roman Empire came from Rome Italy and all the rest wish they where or are Roman. All the talking and churning and twisting doesn't make it true to there claim. Straight Truth. The rest is just ridiculous. Very good presentation 👏 👌 👍.

[@manolisbach2380]

as a greek the only legitimate claim to roman indentity belongs to greeks and latin speaking countries ,slavs ,turks and german are being funny with those claims

[@OLYMPIANgreek]

True

[@haouuu4996]

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@thetrolluminati9714]

@@haouuu4996 Turkey is the thing I eat at Thanksgiving.

[@kasadam85]

@@thetrolluminati9714 this joke will never be funny, as a matter of fact the doer often embarrasses himself.

[@physicist896]

Actually, since the ancestry of the ottoman dynasty was byzantine, the second sultan of the ottoman, Orhan Gazi was married to the Bisan princess Thedore, so in fact, all the sultans from Orhan Gazi had a Byzantine ancestry

[@AlexC-ou4ju]

Andreas Palaiologos sold the title of 'Emperor of Constantinople', i. e. Byzantine emperor, to Charles VIII of France in 1494.

[@basilacis5661]

Napoleon Stefanopoulos was not Italian, was descendant of the 700 exiled Maniots during Gerakaris's rule in 1670's who fled to Corsica which was under Genoese control at the time. Also, he had a strong claim to the title because he controlled all of Italian peninsula inclunding Rome, he conquered the HRE which was another claimant of the title, he conquered a really big chunk of Europe, so he was in real a powerful emperor and his forefathers were low aristocrats of ERE. He is the only not Roman emperor that I feel ok when I see the eagle that he used on his flag.

[@billychops1280]

The only countries that have any legitimacy are Italy and Greece (also Spain because they were given the title by the last Byzantines)

[@rybak908]

Easy solution: Napoleon's lineage is the successor of West Rome and the ottoman lineage is the successor of East Rome

[@-Eisenfaust-]

Yes, if the question were: who has the lowest demands.

[@robertocarlos5494]

El Imperio Español, unico y verdadero sucesor del Imperio Romano 🔥

[@rickyyacine4818]

No Byzantine is also garanda belong us Byzantine empire

[@Malikin]

fun fact : in 1780s catherine of russia and joseph of austria met to carve ottoman empire and restore eastern roman empire among themselves.

[@sakuragihanamichi1042]

Lol, Ancient Rome is none other than the Rome itself in Italian Peninsula. Papacy endured for almost 2000 yrs and still existed to this day.

[@mperorsimonthegreat3920]

Based

[@charanawijesiri1128]

I would say the proper ownership of the title should be as follows 1. Byzantine - Actual part of rome with inherited culture and constitution 2. Muscovy/Russia - connection to roman bloodline and based on the title of the Moscow city the 3rd Rome in ref to the surviving stronghold of orthodoxy. 3. Charlemage's Francia - no bloodline but based on demographic identity 4. H. R. E. - as a decendent of Francia and on demographic identity. 5. Ottomans - solely on demographics 6. Serbia and Bulgaria - I don't see them as proper claimants

[@B_men_apo]

The king of Spain also has a claim because in the final will of the last ruler of Byzantium the title was given to the then king of spain

[@tlowrules]

When this topic is discussed, nobody mentions Sultanate of Rum. It is literally translated as Sultanate or Kingdom of Rome

[@eltfatihmehmethanvatan4803]

The claim of the Ottomans was neither about religion nor nation. It was about imperial legacy. When you capture a capital of an empire, you not only defeat the enemy as a whole, but also you take its lands, legacy, name and power. Constantinople was the capital of the Roman Empire when it was captured by the Ottomans in 1453. Mehmed II the Conqueror was admiring Roman and Greek history and culture. He determined to take Constantinople for not only religious matter (there was hadith of Muhammad “Verily, you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful army will that army be, and what a wonderful commander will that conqueror be.”) he was also thinking of reviving the Roman Empire as a whole. After the conquest, he determined to take Rome. After the conquest, he also took the throne of the Roman Empire and he rightfully called himself as Kayser-i Rum (Roman emperor title in Perso-Arabic-Islamic). Ottoman sultans also had blood of Roman dynasties such as Komnenos. Everyone thinks that the Ottoman Empire cannot be a continuation of the Roman Empire most probably because they were just Muslim. The Roman Empire was initially Latin and Pagan, after it was Greek and Christian. And would it be possible if the Roman Empire was Muslim and Turkish? Even that the Turkic empires ruling Persia such as the Safavid Empire and the Afsharid Empire called themselves as "the Persians" and called the Ottomans as "the Romans". They called themselves "farsî" and called Ottomans as "rûmî" And there is important fact that the Ottoman Empire was an empire of 600 years. Ruling system was highly influenced from Romans.

[@haouuu4996]

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[@tortoisesoup16]

@Tom K Mehmet II. didn't change the name of the city. It was still called Constantinople or Konstantiniyye (in Turkish) those days. The city's name was changed to İstanbul by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a whopping 5 centuries later in 1930. Please learn your history before you spew out false information.

[@tortoisesoup16]

@Tom K And the word İstanbul is a Greek word too. The name was changed because more people referred the city as İstanbul as opposed to Constantinopolis in the 20th century and people are the most important part of the city so using what they refer to it as the official name is logical.

[@machtvonhre8979]

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[@gurcuball6193]

@Tom K Most of the time its about nationalism. Turks think calling city as Constantinople is accepting superiorty of Greece. Greeks thing calling them as the names Turks use(which is also Greek) is a accepting of Turkish superiorty. Honestly as a Turkish its dont matter for me calling cities. Edirne/Adrianapol , İzmir/Smyrni etc... Also Fun fact: First football team created in Turkey was from İzmir and its name was Smyrni F.C. .

[@TheLocalLt]

Whichever European-based country is the strongest Classicalist (non-Communist) power at a given time, given that they are all based on either the Roman Republic or Empire. That is currently the United States of America, which is based off the Roman Republic. Spain, Britain, America and possibly others should also be on the list of claimants of Rome’s inheritance.

[@chickenman6308]

Huh?

[@TheLocalLt]

@@chickenman6308 hmm the comment glitched or something but I just fixed it

[@furlan1743]

Bunch of bullshit: written ✅

[@billychops1280]

Claiming the title through conquest isn’t possible with Rome since when the west fell a bunch of kingdoms sprung up and none claimed it and when eventually the HRE tried no true Roman recognized them

[@talbot9255]

The true succesor is San Marino

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

The last Eastern Roman Emperor Constantine XI in his will left the title of Roman Emperor to King Ferdinand of Spain. So the true heir by right and every law of succession goes to Spain. All who deny that are pretenders and foes of Rome.

[@tylerellis9097]

No he didn’t you goof lmao. That was his nephew Andreas 40 years after the Empire had fell. A quick google search will tell you he didn’t.

[@90skidcultist]

@Mystery Junkie🤡 oof! 😬

[@machtvonhre8979]

you deny german superiority, you are the foes of rome. spain is habsburg. By saying that the succession goes to spain, you are stating that AUSTRIA is the heir of rome.

[@yourstepdad1632]

@@machtvonhre8979 Rome died when Constantinople fell

[@The_Alt_Vault]

Theirs also kings of Spain that have claimed the tittle as they were made the successors by the last Easter emperor in exchange for support at the siege of Constantinople

[@scambutterboi3988]

Wait im. Confuse. How is odesha in bulgaria? Or is it just the cities with same name

[@VictorHugo-bz6ci]

Every the time i remember that russia and turkey have claimed to be the new roman empire makes me laugh

[@themysteriousstranger798]

Yeah, it's kinda funny if you look at it All Ivan the 3rd did was to marry a niece of the last Byzantine emperor. His son would eventually die without any children, marking the end of the 700 year old Rurik Dynasty, of which Ivan was a member. And with Turkey? Wellll, even after the fall of Constantinople, there were small states that formally succeded the Byzantine Empire. Many of these states were led by relatives of the last emperor 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The last important small state would fall in 1475.

[@plusxz821]

@@themysteriousstranger798 epyrus :"(

[@gurcuball6193]

@@themysteriousstranger798 I mean. Yeah Turkey was not successor of Rome But definitely has more connection with Rome than Russia ,Germany or Slavs.

[@marcocivi1229]

Me an italian: wtf?!?!?!?!!!!?!!!!

[@machtvonhre8979]

you are latin, purely latin. do not be tricked by these germanic, greek, and turkic usurper. You are italian. The blood of rome flows through your vein. You are roman.

[@kasadam85]

@@machtvonhre8979 lmao, yea right

[@gght2715]

Wouldn’t Italy have the best claim because they actually have the city of Rome and the was the origin point of the Roman Empire

[@lorenzoguaita9493]

The tsar called Moscow "the third Rome"

[@harri7014]

Im surprised spain never claimed to be the new rome

[@doyouevenpraise189]

They did, Spain and France had the the legal Rome Titles

[@gs7828]

@@doyouevenpraise189 Legality comes from enforced legitimacy. Nations are cultural and social institutions and groups. You know which country has the culture, people and identity closest to Rome on the globe.

[@doyouevenpraise189]

@@gs7828 Italy was conquer and colonize by the Lombards and later by Normans, Spain though also had the German Imigration of Goths Spain was Colonize by Romans for 1000 years They also have the blood, the culture, heritage and langue of the Ancient Roman Empire, and to put the nail on the coffin they also have the Legal Claim of the Ancient Roman empire given by the Last Roman Empeor

[@gs7828]

@@doyouevenpraise189 The Lombards actually got colonised by Latin culture and their minority incorporated into Italian society with time. The Lombards didn’t have a home country, so Italy didn’t become a colony of theirs.

[@gs7828]

@@doyouevenpraise189 imo you can’t speak of legal claims as abstract things, detached from societies and identities. Legitimacy is not a legal thing. Buying a political token doesn’t legitimise your cultural ties.