Court rules there is no automatic citizenship for children born in SA

[@carlosdesousa6712]

I am so relieved to hear the law. My concern is how many fake documents are issued daily

[@dudumzuke6488]

They will marry South Africans

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Right and they will divorce aswell... That's something noone can stop sadly!

[@bella357]

​@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbDivorce is everywhere

[@akoamoseetave3091]

Thousand as corruption is part and parcel of the black man's life .

[@m.x.refrigxolani8365]

Ask Julius

[@tiyandzadlamini116]

The best news I've heard today

[@bella357]

Now you can sleep peacefully lol

[@Bee-dp3st]

💯

[@Bee-dp3st]

@@bella357It shouldn’t matter to you

[@LaraMolete]

Brilliant judgement

[@mokone4758]

Amen!!! a judge for the people of South Africa🙌🏾🇿🇦

[@jameskillu9171]

A child born in south africa is a native of south africa.If umbilical cord is burried in South africa, you are south African, If the midwife and hospital of birth is in South Africa, you are South African.The child will need a south african passport,or pass, to travel putside south africa

[@thembi9645]

​@@jameskillu9171😂😂😂😂Zim comes to SA a day before gives birth and child must b a SAn😂😂😂in your dreams....

[@faridaally6184]

Its so sad to see how you are struggling to become a south African cant you just pack up and go

[@lineotsita8274]

The judge must go preside on senzo case. He/she is a very sober judge

[@bongitshabalala618]

Amen 🙏, Amen, Amen 🙏 to Glory.thank You judge From Polokwane you Have revealed the Truth 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏♥️♥️♥️♥️💯💯💯💯

[@GrandMasterJay-n4f]

Zimbabweans are honestly loosing their minds 🤞🏾😅😂🤣

[@nomusaradebe9922]

There are Soooo Obsessed

[@28stretch]

Cowards want to be everywhere but home because they get fucked at home

[@fozia1301]

Fabulous! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GrandMasterJay-n4f]

@@fozia1301I blame the Zimbabwean government 🤞🏾 they’ve pushed all their citizens to the edge

[@mahareng]

..but truth be told many many..even celebrities/ TV stars have thrived so well

[@Sammy_SAA]

The judge was sober

[@mabhanekazimda529]

They used to be sober meekwe1500, the bars extended their trading times 🤣🤣🤣 this one judge is still a good example 🤣

[@Sammy_SAA]

@@mabhanekazimda529 yeah lol

[@keleohilebonyanaleahdithej7486]

This is not the US sham

[@Sammy_SAA]

@@keleohilebonyanaleahdithej7486 yah, they must go and get their child a birth certificate in their home country

[@mmeme5861]

Very sober!

[@WANDERING_AFRICA]

They are trying by all means to escape there countrie forever 😂😢

[@sandiledlamini628]

Let common sense prevail!

[@gingersubramoney695]

This is really good news for the people of South Africa . When will the poor blacks from the Townships be free to enjoy the fruits of this country . This is really a big call. Thank you Judge.

[@afrikanking4022]

The people living in Townships are not intelligent that is the reason why they find themselves in Townships

[@mackyj7801]

Never until ywe change governments, the reason we have black outs or people stealing billions of Rand as nothing to due with immigration.

[@banyana6515]

Thank God I was born in Botswana. Zimbos are trying it here too but our government say a resounding NO to issuing papers for Zims. Well done to the Polokeane judge. I have never known people so ashamed of their country and desperate to be something else.

[@lama3469]

OMG are they the same there?

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

South Africans are called xenophobic if they raise such issues Yoo at last Zim are given a chance to sort out the mess in their country.

[@KazieD]

They are all over the Southern region camping in different counties boasting to be smart but cant even turn around their own country. They are annoying.

[@not.likely]

Zimbabweans are the greatest chances in the world. They only want to be around wealth so they can steal. They think theyre above work. They are deceptive and dangerous and open their mouths only to lie.

[@banyana6515]

@@lama3469 Yes they are, but our laws are VERY strict. We can't hand out our citizenship like sweets. Its a privilegen to be from Botswana. They use our papers and residency to then move abroad because Botswana enjoys a good reputation oversees.

[@forevertheaii]

Polokwane people are usually full of good sense. We praise God for our Polokwaneans. 🙌🏽SA must be for South Africans first and foremost! 🇿🇦

[@WNdaba]

"Polokwane people have sense". The same people who were issuing foreigners with documents to apply for documents. The same people who criticized xenophobic attacks then and called Zulus xenophobic and now suffering the consequences.

[@tua-tuna]

​@@WNdaba and wena what are you on about.....o ska thoma go gafa mo

[@WNdaba]

@@tua-tuna it's nothing but the truth. Xenophobic attacks were pinned on KZN and anything Zulu and were called backwards. The late King Zwelithini was called all sorts of names when he called out foreigners and called stupid. Limpopo welcomed foreigners and housed them and now they are your biggest headache. Biggest headache in your hospitals, killings and other crimes. That serial killer who killed over a dozen women, where did he get the guts to do that while living amongst Limpopo people?

[@forevertheaii]

@@WNdaba I have no idea what you're on about. Please don't bring your nonsensical rants to my comment, wa kwa?

[@WNdaba]

@@forevertheaii I don't get easily threatened. I didn't know that KZbin is now owned by Polokwane and Limpopo. 🤔

[@captain_data]

They feel so entitled, wont be suprised if those lawyers from zim appeal the verdict, as was the case with the permits the other day

[@Tinker8531]

THEY NEED TO GO ASK ZANU-PF FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR GO TO THEIR EMBASSY.

[@mekswelltimothymalaza9546]

I wish I can buy that Judge Hernesy cause he/she is taking this country serious.

[@amsterdamandco]

Good. SA is not a free ticket.

[@bella357]

Who in their right mind would have a baby just to get R600 a month, honestly

[@Napolean45]

​@@bella357imagine. Kkkk

[@urshieurshie5808]

Can they Go home already, our resources are strained, from, jobs, public transportation to health services to housing. No corner in SA you won't find a Zim. They are also extremely rude, we have been sidelined in our own country. ANC please tell us where is our home as South Africans, when we have to fight for space in our own home.

[@berniegovernder9176]

People cross the borders illegally, in droves to take advantage of our over-strained medical services here .

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Besides, population growth is something that needs to be controlled.....it's becoming too chaotic and it's unsustainable....the size of our economy and infrastructure cannot sustain this mass influx.

[@metalcake2288]

Never ever has more people led to a poorer society

[@mazwideamahle4091]

@@metalcake2288 in your opinion, maybe you find out from ordinary SA citizens in the townships.

[@marky5493]

​@@metalcake2288you didn't do too well at maths then didn't you, if you say things like that.

[@bella357]

I pray you will never be in that situation where you are sick and would do anything to survive.

[@chuxch7293]

Just because we have the same skin colour doesn't mean we are brothers or have common values. We as South Africans are tired of being the father of Africa

[@adriansmuts5086]

Please explain that to Julius who wants open borders...

[@shanaazabrahams1319]

Wow you are a patriot friend

[@nondzukisomazosiwe3711]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@shanaazabrahams1319]

Chuxch7293 and you are so right. Same skin colour does not make us the same. I have two sisters and we all came from the same mother and father. So don't you as a stranger call me sister because I am not however it does not make me less proud to be South African. If we are to become a shining light for Africa we South Africans needs to take care of ourselves first. We cannot give what we don't have. Right now all we have is anger and resentment towards our own government who does not give a flying duck about it's own citizens. All I have to give non South Africans is anger and rage and resentment because all they do is demand and take. I'm sick of them. Remember our newborns that were placed in cardboard boxes while Zim newborns were given cribs? That kind of thing just boils my blood

[@GlenroseMakgorogo]

​@@adriansmuts5086Julius father is a Zimbabwean, that's why he's preaching open borders

[@Chi__22]

I thank God for people such as Gary that understand their professions fully and are able to break down what may seem complicated to others into simple information that can be understood by the masses. Indeed the immigration laws are getting tighter at a global level, its better not look at this matter as one single case targeting a group of people, its just the law and somtimes its favors the locals or not; or it's neutral/ flexible towards foreigner's or not. Such is life, do your research before you relocate and also understand the atmosphere in some countries before you relocate, you will thank God later and be willing to make alternative plans.

[@mariahkamogelomoloisane6276]

Good judgement, people must be proud with their country of origin.

[@wahwah7701]

Tell that to white people that don't want to return to Netherlands and England. Why are they so ashamed of there countries of origin? Because they suck🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣

[@ThabisoLedwaba9]

SO PROUD TO BE A POLOKWANEAN RIGHT NOW, THE TABLES ARE BEING TURNED SWIFTLY, I FORESEE GREAT FUTURE AHEAD FOR MY BELOVED CITY, WHICH I WISH WOULD ULTIMATELY STREAM TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

[@venusmbatsha51]

Imagine waisting their money, going to court for citizenship....how dare you. Pushing their luck. Why don't you build a house in your own country for your family with that money. Others Zimbabwens are building houses in their country while working in South Africa sothat they can go back home one day and they visit Zimbabwe every December holidays.Go and challenge your laws in your country. Nitsibilitye likaphungela ngoku...nxaaa

[@bella357]

Who told you they didn't?

[@nondzukisomazosiwe3711]

Batsibe u phungela uqobo

[@brmaila6]

South Africa 🇿🇦 as a Nation State, is under attack.

[@bella357]

By who. Think about the 💵 dollars which were under the mattress 🙄

[@bongitshabalala618]

South Africans arey starving Of This hardness situation dillema.

[@KazieD]

Finally! a sensible judge, we cant be handing our country that we fought so hard for to immigrants.

[@shanaazabrahams1319]

Yes a judge with balls

[@gideonmthembu8693]

​@@shanaazabrahams1319 I gathered it was a female judge😂😂😅

[@shanaazabrahams1319]

@@gideonmthembu8693 male or female judge is irrelevant. Me saying a judge with balls means a firm strong judge. Has nothing to do with gender

[@gideonmthembu8693]

@@shanaazabrahams1319 I know that😆

[@ckoriablack]

But their children are flooded SA government schools how does that work?

[@mokone4758]

That one is also going to be dealt with...Foreigners have abused our country enough

[@SulamanHendricks]

In class of 30 3 or r 5 leaners might be foreign thats like 10 % of the population.

[@ckoriablack]

@@SulamanHendricks it's pretty bad and numbers are growing

[@forevertheaii]

​​@@SulamanHendrickswhere I'm from it was more than that. You'd find Zimbabweans, Nigerians and others. They are way too many, while local/native children can't get placed in schools because the schools are overcrowded. And remember that some of them are using fake/fraudulent documents so you'll find that there's more of them than the official data says. Some of them are not even registered and they don't even have permits but they are in our schools, while South African children are forced to stay at home due to non-placement (some end up going to private schools but it's not an option for everyone because it's too expensive, and some even have to travel far).

[@queyoung754]

There a 15-16 million illegal foreigners in South Africa

[@antonsam40]

But zimbabweans are serious with south african papers whats wrong, were south africans wrong to accept them stay and now they want to be south africans, who is going to stay in Zimbabwe and be zimbabweans

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

Zim to return home and register their children in Zim citizenship that's best news. Maybe those kids would fight for their freedom in Zim since their parents are cowered to fight instead they run away from Zim.

[@nomawethumqina3270]

Maybe they should stop this madness of giving birth every after 9 months here in SA nxa I hate them for that nje

[@keleohilebonyanaleahdithej7486]

I was wondering why would you be pregnant under such a hostile environment and even fled your country… kante … I’m also wondering how many people are left in Zim only 2 million out of 17 … 15 million is here…

[@PrincessVelaryon]

There are a lot of educated Zimbabweans here so if they would just go back home and sacrifice to uplift their country it would benefit the future generations

[@mazwideamahle4091]

For a country like Zimbabwe to have any chance of economic change, the youth need to stay at home....

[@estherrametsi727]

People we have law it is not according to court.Women from Zimbabwe when they are pregnant they cross border for health now for citizens chip

[@dennisflo9284]

phew, another bullet dodged from next door

[@luthandomdladlana9256]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rebonechauke3502]

😂😂😂😂 , o mpolayelang ka ditshego 😂😂

[@mkza2280]

Amen and Amem my son was born abroad while I was having an indefinate leave to remain in the country , he didn't qualify for anything had to wait till he was 10 yrs then applied to register him as a citizen .

[@nomawethumqina3270]

Is it still there a Sober Judge in our country 🫡

[@mautwana]

Well done to the judge in polokwane

[@vuvufuzzy2594]

Thanks for upholding that law, it's high time we close those loopholes.

[@Edesbong35]

Rama and fikile said we are brothers and sisters ..as long as they keep their mines in Zimbabwe and protecting their businesses in Zim it will be a court after court with these issues

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

SA need to vote them out for good

[@nomthandazotshabalala219]

Zimbabweans are just cowards. South africa is not your savior. Other countries have been supporting the Zimbabwean government, and you guys don't complain like you complain about SA. No one will save you but yourselfs. But you clearly like being a nuisance to other countries

[@thandisilebhanqo2442]

No it's Malema saying that

[@Noname_739]

Thank God!!!

[@28stretch]

This headline is SUCH a relief

[@nicoleruth3399]

Am from malawi and based here in South Africa and honestly South Africa has given Zimbabweans two much power that most of them treat even other foreigners bad it’s sickening

[@sindimahlangu5457]

I totally agree, I am SA citizen and as far as early as 70s. Have lived with Mozambiquans and had no issues. Now Zimbabweans are here life has completely changed even for other nationals due to people claiming to know it all.

[@thembi9645]

Just watch closely whats goin to happen next year 2024 coz we are voting

[@takunda6087]

​@@sindimahlangu5457 the time that you are comparing to now is different, the economy of that time was created to benefit white people, in today's ANC economy things have not been so easy for everyone to benefit but if you open your eyes there is plenty of opportunities for you in South Africa if you stop blaming other people for your growth in life. There will still be unemployment even if all Zims leave SA. Zims are a threat to an ordinary SA probably because most of them have skills but SA is full of foreigners, you talk about Zims but you can even start a conversation about the Pakistan empire, Nigerians and so on..why so much hate on Zims?

[@tsholofelomocumi4207]

@@takunda6087 because Zimbabweans are very ARROGANT. NO other nationals has taken SAn government to court, i have bever come across people who DISPISED who they are like some of Zimbabweans. Its literally a CURSE to be their neighbor.

[@Bee-dp3st]

Zimbabweans accept low wages hence why they are are hired.

[@LorraineDememar]

Well done jugde thank you may God bless you

[@lulugroom1248]

destiny,don't forget Malema in that list he always say they are our brothers and sisters too.

[@not.likely]

😂😂😂😂 don't you have a brain to think for yourself? Malema likes LGBTQ crowd, that's his pet love

[@stanleynkosikamthembu168]

Brother and sister based on what? Colour?

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Malema is an illegal both his parents Zimbabwe and came here 1981

[@GlenroseMakgorogo]

Malema's father is a Zimbabwean, that's why he's preaching open borders policy

[@Tinker8531]

FINALLY SOME COMMON SENSE.

[@thobilenyaku5274]

Great ruling

[@mr.t8505]

South Africans are already struggling. Where are the resources going to come from to cover foreigners. Polokwane is sensible. You cannot feed children from outside and put your ones that you live with and have struggled with, last. It’s a mess, but it’s not too late to fix. Zimbabweans and others must go back home and fight to fix their country for themselves and their children. SouthAfrica is for South Africans. Thank you Gary and thePolokwane leaders.

[@thenyloncurtain]

Excellent 👌🇿🇦

[@Tinker8531]

HELEN SUZMAN FOUNDATION IS CURRENTLY GOING INTO MELTDOWN WITH FRUSTRATION. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JAYLEEvanSLOAN]

We can talk and put all the laws but the problem is with home affairs officials they will issue those documents through back doors

[@SA4SA]

In informal settlements they call themselves owners " TSA MABALA , MO MABALENG A BANA , ENA A SE NGAWANA RENA " , they call themselves owners of our RDPs , our RDPs , wena , a citizen of this Country, you are in a shack or homeless ,they just jump the border and find land waiting for them , wena " our child " you are struggling to get land or rdp in you own country .

[@hlanganisambatha614]

This is beautiful...

[@SA4SA]

Their not our baggage, they are a baggage of their own countries.

[@thulilenkomo7462]

I love this!

[@lulugroom1248]

How is life in Zimbabwe??Why do these pipl all want to be S. Africans.They want their children to be S.Africans while parents are not,l am questioning the separation of a child from parents.?????

[@dinaledi4085]

If children are granted automatic citizenship the parents will also qualify for it because they are related to citizens. Challenging our laws and sovereignty has become a game now.

[@dumirose9174]

Thank you Judge,

[@sandiledlamini628]

thank goodness!!!!

[@belindakloppers3698]

Birthing 3 children while visiting... goodness...

[@nicoliantsolokane2226]

No I was born in Zaire but I'm not a citizen of that country

[@mktv7048]

Because your parents didn’t want you to became citizens of zaïre

[@mapstance9218]

All these illegal foreigners come to give birth here thinking they will get easy access to everything. .We need not to accept bribe money at home affairs we need to stick to strictness

[@Noname_739]

At least one of your parents would have to be a citizen of Zaire, for you be a citizen of the country. Being born in the country doesn’t mean automatic citizenship.

[@bella357]

It sounds like you are ashamed of Zaire lol

[@mktv7048]

If you are ashamed of your country that you, for your own information am south african. Mara wena, Nonsense

[@tumelomokoena6131]

They are trying so hard to be South African

[@siyabonganxumalo4574]

So amakwere**kwere took us to court again?

[@matau583]

nice one wht a relief guys joo ❤

[@kingkhondlo]

YES GREAT NEWS IM SO HAPPY

[@msagist2004]

Even in USA there are exceptions to the rule, it's not cut and dry citizenship by birth. Lately new law in Mzansi means children born of foreigners will only get an acknowledgement of birth paper.

[@trayway9067]

such law may be appealed bro as long as it hasnt reached constitutional courst decision its something that coud change tomorrow

[@leratomusi4595]

Just because they're on their way out of power only now they want to listen to citizens on the matter, being highly taxed to pay grants for foreign kids .... nah anc you had your chance

[@PrincessVelaryon]

Yes I don't trust their 360° change

[@MartinMenge]

The judiciary is not dependent on who the governing party is. Besides, this judgement is just the enforcement of act 13 of 2002. 2002 was during the Mbeki administration.

[@bella357]

Foreigners do pay tax as well

[@ntombifuthimnguni1442]

@bella357 ooohhh, please give me a break. How does a person who gets in the country illegal pay for tax? Please enlighten me

[@youme1414]

@@ntombifuthimnguni1442 Many foreigners aren't illegal in your country

[@Vv-fl2rm]

Zimbabweans and their entitlement to South Africa 😂😂😂😂😂 Hebana

[@weymouthesterhuizen1145]

Makes sence to me......❤🎉 Protecting SA Nation in diversaty.

[@nosisantsele4987]

It's always Zims😮

[@musandasikhwivhilu]

All must have automatic citizens of their parents homes.

[@nomsa.shabangushabangu5957]

I just hope all NGOs fighting Dr A Motsoaledi Minister of Homeaffairs for criminal foreigners forcing their way through South Africa and stealing and using South African Citizenship for neferious and criminal activities assisted by those advancing Black on Black violance and destruction of our SA country. 🇿🇦#CORRUPTION OF ANY KIND MUST FALL NOW IN SOUTH AFRICA🇿🇦✌

[@sonenibeatricemhlongo7953]

You know i expect chitando and hsf to be vocal about zim election results If they really have a best interest at heart of zim people , they must be out in there complaiming about zim human rights. Citizens of sa and the gvt have been abused by human rights organizations Even zim must comply.

[@SA4SA]

Our children are not going to be homeless in their own country as the years go by , because of people who cant fix their own countries.

[@itayikaseke3480]

Ur children are robbing people and sniffing drugs whose problem is that

[@BatsiraiMusuka]

Words can not express what it is like to be Zimbabwean. Everyone speaks on your life…except you (even in your own country…you have to think about 20 year sentences before you construct a sentence).

[@optimistic5778]

Nice. Good move, for once.

[@lebzadlamini2844]

These zimbabweans want to rule us now geez imagine they come here illegally yoh

[@Dupedupedean]

Very clearly explained! Come from Zim marry a South African, give birth to SA citizens. Problem solved!

[@OniccaKgosana]

Thank God for a fair judgement ! How many Zimbabwens South Africans would have been here if a child born in South Africa by illigal Zim should be regarded as a South African by vertue of birth 'cause Zimbabwen pregnent women come here just to get free delivery services and go back home . Our hospitals and clinics are stuffed with Zimbabwen pregnant women pregnant women , enough is enough .

[@sweetgurl8028]

Amen 🙏 🙏

[@firstcomment749]

Sacrificing citizenship to please foreigners is not only dumb, it's sightless. The sightless should take a leaf from Capt Traore of Burkino Faso's book. He supports his neighbours, but the Burkinabe is his 1st + ultimate priority.

[@yonderlachekate4030]

Life is the greatest teacher, wait for sa to become Zim and comment then. Now it's just a story but when you live it you will understand where people are coming from 😢

[@kevinjacobs1006]

GREAT.

[@dudumzuke6488]

Imagine 3 chlldren !!!

[@truth-Hurts375]

If one of your parents are a citizen by the time of your birth...its a different story....

[@Skyreem2020]

Some are targetting South African women! Pakistanis & Nigerians have already started.

[@reubentrotter4432]

That is what is happening elsewhere. Why should that be the case here?

[@asiamdonga]

Thank You🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@lulugroom1248]

@hillbilex how many S.Africans receive that brother hood in your country?U like to be called brothers here but no such life in your countries & its one of reasons why u left them trully speaking

[@cecilajonas6196]

A dog born in a stable can never be a horse. Thats my take

[@OniccaKgosana]

Are Zimbos tired of being Zimbabwens ,Jo ...! What a shame !

[@phumlamazibuko3003]

Danko

[@AsandileBulana]

This is a good news to us as South African man they are to much this people they running to they Country caming to South Africa mxm👎👎

[@jezuschrist7120]

Whatever ...as if sa citizenship is a ticket to heaven ..for a country riddled crime ,poverty, lawlessness, they can keep their earthly citizenship..

[@bonga4929]

Sorry about that !

[@virginiandlovu8001]

People stop crying to be citizen of this world,this world is not permanent we are all visitors,all going to die one day,please start to cry to be citizen of the kingdom of heaven and not the kingdom of hell because after life is permanent and eternity, Repent and seek Jesus

[@gracemasiba9311]

Thanks God

[@mzilankata373]

Zimbabwe is at ground zero but history has proved every dog has his day. Zimbabweans in SA go home and get birth certificates. Nothing more important than belonging where you are accepted without conditions. One day you shall rebuild your country. Don’t be afraid.

[@yolandajanettjohnson2526]

Thank you.

[@nosisantsele4987]

Media is the problem here....

[@jaquelineleepile5297]

Thank you.very.much.Garry

[@madodasimelane2397]

Protect the people of the country, protect the country from all outsiders if you are not from the country what ever you come with it is belong assp kiphetho ki tu

[@dudumzuke6488]

❤❤❤❤Siyabonga Judge... Zimbabweans forever. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MANY CHILDREN BORN TO FOREIGNERS WOULD QUALIFY...MAY AS WELL REMOVE THE BORDERS

[@queyoung754]

They must go home & if you a foreigner you should too

[@therealistafrican6567]

And honestly these people breeds like vermits😂😂

[@its_YZee]

Amen

[@bongitshabalala618]

Engathi iNkosi ingaphakamisa Isandla kakhulu kwabaseParlamende.babone loluDaba.

[@not.likely]

The Lord only raises his hand over the godless to swat them

[@sindiswasheleni262]

Yes, thank you.,