Which legal team did the best job in their closing argument? | COURT TV

[@ivanahugankiss8414]

You're right by asking who started it. You can't be the aggressor and then claim self defense. In my opinion all 3 defendants are responsible for Ahmaud Arberys death

[@dorothypettijohn6228]

Prosecution ran circles around the defense!

[@sensiblyhonest695]

Travis' testimony was extremely helpful to her cause. She'd have had a much tougher task if he hadn't admitted to the two things that gave Arbery the right to defend himself... 1) Pointing his shotgun at Arbery prior to the confrontation at the front of the truck and 2) Having no knowledge of Arbery having committed a felony that day. The defense didn't have much to offer to counter that.

[@crand20033]

@@sensiblyhonest695 Arbery was coming straight at him. He only wanted him to back off.

[@candisham1978]

@@crand20033 ….just stop.

[@crand20033]

@@candisham1978 You can't handle the truth. They only wanted to question him.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@crand20033 demon troll..

[@richardvinsen2385]

GOUGH: Your Honor, the cafeteria was out of bleu cheese dressing. MISTRIAL!

[@justice4896]

😅🤣😂

[@jimwheeler6094]

Your Honor, someone has farted in the courtroom which is impeding my client's right to a fair trial so I therefore request that you declare a mistrial, to which the judge replies, I believe that someone is you Mr. Gough, motion denied, sit down and quit your farting!

[@EmpowerShea]

@@jimwheeler6094 lmao

[@lynettejohnson8418]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sandrapowell4166]

The prosecution did the best job by far! The defense trying to demean Ahmaud by condemning his dress and hygiene was reprehensible!

[@georgelayton6641]

What I want to know is, did this case have the most attempts, by the defense, to call a mistrial in modern history?

[@miramoran2283]

The defense wants a mistrial so bad.

[@sensiblyhonest695]

Gough is presenting a "vigorous defense" for his client... he just doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. All the motions for mistrial, keeping "black pastors" out of the gallery etc. is about all he can try. You can respect the effort even if you don't respect the arguments. The other attorneys are in the same boat, but they really haven't been as "vigorous" as Gough... it's like they're counting on the jury to sympathize with the "if you see a black man running... you know he did something wrong" mentality that so many Southern bigots have. We'll know pretty soon if they're right.

[@crand20033]

There's an angry mob of black racists outside the court house trying to intimidate the jury and pressure a guilty verdict and they don't care about the law. A mistrial is warranted.

[@Carlos-ui5dx]

@@crand20033 LOL

[@Stang2016]

@@crand20033 I bet you feel Ahmaud stole something and was a treat to Travis?

[@wearelegion5533]

GOUGH: "Your honour, a Black person walked past my car yesterday... I call for a mistrial".

[@Stang2016]

😂

[@iamv482]

And they keep coming into my dreams. I can't get them out of my coffee, my wine, and even my limited suits 😳.

[@Stang2016]

@@iamv482 I am not having dreams I am having movies

[@jennysmith5649]

If Travis and his dad dont get charged with murder and get a life sentence then there's no justice. These men are dangerous for black people.

[@bellie8009]

There bad for any human being

[@julielevinge266]

They will have been given a licence to murder in cold blood!!!

[@sandrapowell4166]

These men are dangerous period! Guns and no common sense plus rascism!

[@ltravail]

In this case the murder charge is excessive. Clearly they had no intention of killing Arbery. But their rash decision to become their own posse of vigilantes led to a very unpleasant outcome for everybody involved. They should indeed pay a penalty for their ill-advised actions, but life in prison for murder-one would be way out of line IMHO.

[@geraldineallen8060]

​@@ltravailso if someone kills a family member for whatever reason . How much should they get? Or will you say they didn't have any intention on killing them Just let them go and tell them don't do it again. Was their life worth them getting 1 year or 2 years

[@bnwo]

I disagree with the idea that one can show up to a protest with an AR-15 and claim self defense.

[@JUUJJII]

America needs to ban guns in order to remove all the legal grey areas

[@380stroker]

You're ignorant of the laws and should move to north korea.

[@bnwo]

​@@380stroker Baby.

[@1suitcasesal]

I agree. Many have a big problem with it.

[@kims364]

@@JUUJJII We have something called the Second Amendment, that gives us the RIGHT to bear arms.

[@carlosokelly8858]

That woman lawyer smoked the defense. She explained the law to everyone like you would to a toddler.

[@PirateRemy]

The defence case was sickening the way Arbery was demonised and tried and convicted without any evidence ( except being black). They may as well say they would murder him themselves in that situation

[@lovepet4565]

Yes maam! The "dirty toenail" lady , Jesus how demeaning to say,

[@julielevinge266]

We see this happening again & again when victim is murdered so completely unable to defend themselves, insidious defence can then accuse victim of anything they like as deceased person cannot defend themselves. But even the crime they believed Arbury to have committed on 0 evidence, does not warrant being chased down & shot to death!!!

[@kims364]

@@lovepet4565 She's disgusting for what she said. I was so angry listening to her.

[@g.r.bilyeu4226]

Daily reminder that it was current members of the Fraternal Order of Police who actively tried to cover up the murder of Ahmed Arbery and the guilty officers are still "on the job:.

[@LorieM1209]

Guilty as charged.

[@crand20033]

self defense.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@crand20033 murderer!!

[@kenn1936]

Citizen's Arrest for what????? Once they finally decide what it means, they have no reason to use it in the first place!!

[@crand20033]

"I got a trespasser," Larry English, the property owner, said in a call to police after the first recorded visit made by Arbery on the night of Oct. 25, 2019

[@trigremlin]

@@crand20033 yup, and multiple times caught on camera, everyone in the neighborhood seemed to be aware of Ahmaud and were concerned. There seems to be no evidence Ahmaud had ever actually “jogged” there. False alibi. Media narrative. Because if he was a burglar it blows up the states case.

[@trigremlin]

The state has also consistently misrepresented the standard for citizens arrest.

[@auntijen3781]

It's been established AA jogged there often- that's why he was "familiar" to Greg/Travis in the 1st place. Regardless of what either side argues the Citizens Arrest Statute is, the McMichael's neither directly witnessed nor had immediate knowledge a crime was committed because NO CRIME WAS EVER COMMITTED (&, nevermind that to legally chase someone down for a proper citizens arrest, the "crime" committed had to have reached the standard of a FELONY!!) Before this case was even brought, the actual homeowner was asked about what the video showed, all the times AA had gone into the property and the homeowner said "He always went into the same spot, that back corner" when asked what was located in that back corner the homeowner said "I assumed he was accessing the water spigot" (this fact was inadmissible bc that corner was off camera, but it's safe for the homeowner to speculate this as the reason when the only thing back where AA always went was the water line) So that explains why AA had been seen so many times, going into the house, 2.5 miles into his routine "jogs" for a drink of water. Homeowner was told by PD if he had a problem w the traffic in the property he should post no trespassing signs (which would allow them to act, the next time anyone went into the property, but the homeowner, himself said he WASN'T at all worried about the curious passers by, BC he suspected it was the actual contractors HE HAD HIRED that were responsible for the theft of the equipment off of his boat, there. The cameras were sufficient & he declined to post a "no trespassing" sign, so the cops DID NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO ACT ON AA (NOR ANYONE ELSE) TRESPASSING... And so McMichael's sure as EFF didn't have the authority, either! (Btw, in CRJ 101 (@NU) we were taught that "Immediate Knowledge" meant if someone walking by witnesses a man hauling ass out of a park, holding a little kid & the mother following IMMEDIATELY behind him yelling "STOP THAT MAN! HE JUST KIDNAPPED MY 2Y/O SON!!!" That is "IMMEDIATE KNOWLEDGE"

[@afn3899]

@@trigremlin 🤣🤣it's fun to come back to these comments...the killbillies are going away😉

[@janetmoorehamblin723]

Guilty, the man was jogging down the street, they were in a truck chasing him. He sure didn't have anything on him when they killed him in cold blood..... I hate all this killing and evil stuff going on.

[@crand20033]

No jogging, hauling ass for 5 whole minutes with a truck chasing him and yelling at him to stop. Why didn't he just stop? He was up to no good, that's why.

[@adventureswithprince9085]

@@crand20033 why should he stop So someone can’t jog again Have you even be stopped when jogging to be questioned?

[@merc0805]

@@crand20033 ag jas shut up please..............u trying too hard

[@geraldineallen8060]

​@@crand20033see you used the word truck chasing him? You should ask them why we're they chasing him ? Because in February 11 the Homeowner told them and Officer Rash that he had never stolen anything from his property. Why didn't they believe him? Can you ask them?

[@crand20033]

@@geraldineallen8060 Arbery was not jogging. The ex-football player was running away as fast as he could after making eye contact with neighbor Mr. Albenzi who was on the phone with police. The felony convict probationer was in their neighborhood acting suspiciously and those two ex-cops wanted to know why he was running. They brought their guns because they thought he was armed. Then he attacked them because he didn't want to go back to jail.

[@gregory593]

All I want out of this trial is for someone, either the prosecution or defense, to play a video of Gomer Pyle running after Barney Fife screaming, "Citizen's arrest! Citizen's arrest!" If that doesn't happen, it just seems like a lost opportunity.

[@sandrasteward3920]

OMG FUNNY EPISODE

[@revitabowenbowen6632]

I remember that episode..funny...🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@barbarabarlow9819]

I agree,,, And its so simple, Gomer saw Barney with his own eyes do the U turn. And call for the arrest right away. Travis never saw Aubrey do any crime that could justify him chasing him.

[@buzzrob71]

They chase the man that not self defense

[@crand20033]

Intent? Not to murder.

[@rayray8687]

@@crand20033: These three defendants are being tried for what they did, not for what they intended to do. There are 1000s of cases where people intend to commit a lesser crime where someone ends up dead and they are convicted of some degree of criminal homicide.

[@merc0805]

@@crand20033 🥱🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐

[@angc214]

"Who started it?" is a legal standard for self defense but using different wording. Basically if you provoke an altercation with someone you have lost the right to claim self defense.

[@MsChloe1992]

The only one here who could’ve gotten away or had lesser charges was Roddy Bryan, had he turned on the mcmichaels and given the video to authorities from day one I see how he could’ve pulled the concerned citizen card but his statements were very telling and his own words sunk his defense… mind you he has the worst attorney here lol.

[@sensiblyhonest695]

He did give it to authorities on day 1. The corrupt Police and DA had it. Gough released it and started talking about Roddie being a "witness" hoping to get out in front of the murder charge that came when the GBI got involved.

[@MsChloe1992]

@@sensiblyhonest695 It wasn’t Gough who leaked the video. It was another attorney he went to, his name is Alan Tucker he thought releasing the video to the public would exonerate them and it backfired

[@JustJesstheMess]

Roddie Brian gave the video up immediately, you can even hear him offering it to the officers on the bodycam footage immediately after the shooting. The problem with Brian was that he used his vehicle to pin in Arbery at the moment where Arbery could have escaped the Satilla Shores neighborhood. That's where Brian's defense becomes difficult. Prosecution says that Arbery might have escaped had it not been for Brian. And it seems that they are probably correct

[@crand20033]

The cop who first came on the scene thought he was just passing through. If he had just said yes, left the scene, and kept the video to himself he would have been home free.

[@MsChloe1992]

@@crand20033 wow 😳

[@earvetta]

Linda Dunikoski and her team was Phenomenal her courtroom performance is Awesome. I read her bio she is a assistance DA for the state. She was awarded several years for attorney of the year on several occasions. Judge Walmsley was Awesome he wasn't biased to either side. He had to excuse himself from the courtroom after repmending defense attorney to clam down

[@earvetta]

The Prosecution team was the best

[@georgelayton6641]

Will the jury get a history lesson that informs them that the wording of the citizen's arrest law goes back prior to 1863? Will they get a history lesson that tells them that if an enslaved person run away that person was committing a theft by stealing themselves because that enslaved person was considered property? it was also legal to use lethal force to stop an enslaved person who had run away. These three were enacting history while ignorant of history.

[@trailrunner925]

Right? And do rumors floating on FB now constitute "immediate knowledge"?????

[@michael-7240]

*One Big Question* Were the 3 defendants fully authorized to make a citizens arrest under the Georgia law, or were they not? Because if they were not, then all 3 are guilty of the charges. Simple as that. No matter what wonderful things the defense had said in their closing remarks about their clients, if they weren't justified in making a lawful citizens arrest, then all three are guilty as charged. Thats the bottom line. And since the citizens arrest law states that the defendants had to see the crime committed in their presence or have immediate knowledge of the crime in order to detain and arrest Arbery, then all three defendants are guilty. They had no knowledge Arbery had committed any crime on that day. Seeing a black man hauling ass down the road isn't a crime. But they wrongfully assumed he committed a crime that day simply because he was running. Flawed thinking by the defendants led to Arbery's demise. *Second Big Question* Was Travis M. acting in self defense when he shot Arbery, or not? Well, if he was not fully authorized to make a citizens arrest, then all his attempts to hold and detain Arbery made him the aggressor, causing Arbery to fear for his life. As the law states, Travis can't then claim self defense since he was the aggressor. Arbery, on the other hand, had the right to defend himself. The verdict will depend on how the jury will view these two questions. If they follow what the law states, guilty verdicts will be handed down.

[@bernardriggs2079]

Excellent breakdown of law and actions.

[@earvetta]

The defense attorneys was horrible they knew they wasn't gonna win the cases for their clients, not with the videos of them killing Ahmaud Arbery

[@yencymartinez4138]

It's obvious the prosecutor did a WAY better job, actually she did an amazing job and the defense was terrible

[@jimwheeler6094]

To be fair, the defense attorneys really didn't have much, if anything, to work with. But yes, Linda Dunikoski eviscerated the defenses' case.

[@mileswashington4201]

at 04:27 What he should have carried with him was all the law experience he and his father bragged about having instead of assumption and guns..

[@cherrymisha4797]

We know damn well Ahmaud Arbery did not have any altercation with Travis prior to his murder! We know damn well Travis saw Ahmaud at that house being built, called the police and said Ahmaud had a gun. **THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS A BLACK MAN HAVE A GUN**. Travis was anticipating on the police gunning Ahmaud down! Ahmaud would have never returned if he was aware that he was a problem. ⚫

[@franciscovalladolid1370]

" they probably " should have waited till the police ,showed up............

[@HeatherRose2023]

I have been saying there was no grounds for a citizen arrest/self defense claim since the video was released in Feb 2020. At most, all the McMichaels had as grounds is a misdemeanor charge in a citizen arrest, which is NOT grounds for a felony and chasing Ahmaud down, and this makes the McMichaels the aggressor. The McMichaels did not even have prior knowledge that Ahmaud had taken anything from the England house construction site. In fact, all they had was video of Ahmaud trespassing and NOT taking anything from the site. England even stated nothing was taken during the times Ahmaud appeared on his security cameras. England even said he did not know when the items stolen from his boat were taken or who took them, since he had moved his boat many times.

[@turtletouche]

They should of have called the police.

[@JUUJJII]

They did

[@crand20033]

They were trying to detain him for the police.

[@sr2291]

@@JUUJJII They chased him for 5 minutes and didn't call 911 until Travis was in the front of his Truck. He handed the phone to his father just before he shot Arbery.

[@crand20033]

@@sr2291 So they have 5 minutes to murder him if that was their intent. But it wasn't.

[@sr2291]

@@crand20033 What was their intent?

[@julielevinge266]

How on earth could this ever be self defence? Against an unarmed man jogging?? All he was guilty of was ignoring armed men chasing him, all he did try to avoid them! This was a horrendous racist murder, where perpetrators assumed this man was guilty of something purely on the colour of his skin!! Show the most horrendous underlying hatred!! These people are incredibly dangerous, the more so because they show no signs of regret, never attempted to give any medical aid!! Those are rare & very frightening combination in any person!!!

[@Monica0978]

Prosecution smoked the defense.

[@crand20033]

Poorly written law so must find them not guilty.

[@davidjohnson6734]

Think so. Hardly

[@geraldineallen8060]

​@@crand20033I guess they didn't read the poorly written law as you call it. Maybe they are reading it now in prison. They have plenty of time. They thought they knew the law and was above the law. Now they found out

[@crand20033]

@@geraldineallen8060 Any idiot could this for what it was. A couple of former police officers chasing a convicted felon out on probation who would do anything (even attack cops with guns) to stay out of jail.

[@geraldineallen8060]

@crand20033 Ok they won. Now they can say they are heroes they save their neighborhood . What are complaining for . They are now rewarded with a new gated community were they are safely locked in. Travis doesn't have to fear for his life holding his 2nd Amendment right. One day he may realize his wrongs you don't ever have too. I pray they live long lives. Have a Great Day

[@stephenr7176]

Context explained.. well done court tv.

[@einherjar8585]

The prosecution did a thorough and persuasive job. Hopefully its enough to give Ahmaud and his family justice.

[@crand20033]

Do you care about the law and how it applies to this case or do you only care about this dead dude? I think it was self defense. McMichael was a former cop on neighborhood watch given authority to watch that house.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@crand20033 crazy crazy troll

[@TobyChannel]

@@crand20033 everything you said is false! Idiotic comment

[@einherjar8585]

@@crand20033 wow..... quite an alternative universe that you are declaring as real.... its a bold strategy. Lets see how it works out for you.

[@crand20033]

Just flailing for a guilty verdict for 3 innocent people.

[@rossmacintosh5652]

When Travis identified Arbery as the person he had seen days before he shot him, it may have been a lie. It seems obvious that after the shooting he had incentive to finger Arbery as the person he encountered earlier. That identification isn't a fact. It surprised me when Court TV correspondent Julia Jenaé stated as fact that Arbery was who "Travis had that encounter eleven days before". Yes there was testimony about that but that doesn't make it necessarily true.

[@auntijen3781]

Actually that had been corroborated by the CCTV at the property, Before this case was even brought, the actual homeowner was asked about what the video showed, all the times AA had gone into the property and the homeowner said "He always went into the same spot, that back corner" when asked what was located in that back corner the homeowner said "I assumed he was accessing the water spigot" (this fact was deemed inadmissible/speculative bc that corner was off camera, but it's safe for the homeowner to speculate this as the reason when the only thing back where AA always went was the water line) So that explains why AA had been seen so many times, going into the house, 2.5 miles into his routine "jogs" for a drink of water. Homeowner was told by PD if he had a problem w the traffic in the property he should post no trespassing signs (which would allow them to act, the next time anyone went into the property, but the homeowner, himself said he WASN'T at all worried about the curious passers by, BC he suspected it was the actual contractors HE HAD HIRED that were responsible for the theft of the equipment off of his boat, there. The cameras were sufficient & he declined to post a "no trespassing" sign, so the cops DID NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO ACT ON AA (NOR ANYONE ELSE) TRESPASSING... And so McMichael's sure as EFF didn't have the authority, either! " Cheers

[@auntijen3781]

Regardless of whether or not they go with either definition of the CA law, be it the defendants "immediate knowledge" was from 11 days before, or at that moment doesn't the FACT that AA committed no crime (as the homeowner's CCTV shows) destroy their entire defence bc they couldn't have "witnessed" nor had "immediate knowledge" of ANYTHING if no crime had ever occurred..

[@HeatherRose2023]

@14:40 “It might be enough for a trespass, but not a burglary, not a felony.” Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!!!

[@Kattakam]

Last time I checked law enforcement and the judicial system work for the citizens and not the other way around. Here’s the problem with a think tank like this, they really believe they are higher power, they really think law enforcement is higher power and that the citizens are there to assist but last time I checked it’s the citizens and the constitution of the United States from which it all stems from. See this is why law enforcement and people that are hired to enforce law and policy fall short of “the people” because they think we should bow to what they think is written and not necessarily what is the intent of the written words. I really think our judges at the higher level have been rock stars because they’re faced by poor interpretations of the lower judicial rulings and the undereducated law enforcement mechanism that really puts a strain on the real interpretation of core law and what’s right for its people.

[@emilygregory7004]

Prosecution by far were the best. Not only because they had the truth on their side, they had extremely talented lawyers.

[@revitabowenbowen6632]

The Prosecution, of course.

[@kathyharris7031]

Prosecutors!!,Who else???

[@Valicroix]

Grounds of suspicion is not the same thing as immediate knowledge. Neither is coming to a probable conclusion.

[@crand20033]

it is for a cop and McMichael was a former cop with 30 years of experience.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@crand20033 troll...

[@crand20033]

@@kenyagrooves Idiot who is ignorant of the law. Travis was attacked and all of those guys would be dead if crazy lunatic Arbery gained control that gun.

[@trigremlin]

@@kenyagrooves I’ve seen you calling him names multiple times now. Take a break sister.

[@Valicroix]

@@crand20033 The key word there is "former." Besides, even for a cop it's not the same thing. Probable cause is a suspicion and not knowledge. Probable cause would allow an officer to act but not a civilian.

[@jeff-lp8rj]

Was Mr Arbery EVER seen stealing? Would this have happened if a white man was seen jogging. Was Mr Arbery running/jogging carrying a TV ? The 3 judges AND jury in this case decided the outcome.

[@leonoranava1245]

Guilty ..

[@crand20033]

You forgot the 'Not'.

[@brimstonethewolf2020]

@@crand20033oh no they were all guilty, I mean anyone with a brain stem can see that. The evidence was overwhelming against these three murderers, taking the law into their hands and being vigilantes. I noticed some dummies bring up Ahmad’s criminal past, like that has anything to do with this case. Also dummies seem to grasp at the whole “grabbing Travis’s shotgun” thing. The evidence shows Ahmad was shot before he ever touched Travis. The people who believe these three men were justified in this, will one day wind up right where these three guys are now.

[@martygraw3]

This is the south park classic "he's coming right at us...BANG"

[@leshawnjefferson6150]

"Well he was trespassing and i have my rights" -south park

[@bridgettehutton646]

The Prosecution team hands down...brilliant!!!!

[@shantayreed2020]

Is this a serious question 😂😂

[@mysteriousmystery6960]

We got guilty verdicts on all 3!!

[@jemezieeriator1971]

Don't the victim have to defend himself or don't they have self defence too after a long hunting for him. Shame on America and their justice system.

[@anthonywayne8365]

The defense is pulling a Brad Pitt sleepers move they didn't take this case to win they took this case to lose..

[@jaikim4905]

Thrown all of them under the jail

[@LisatheGreatest]

Are you joking. With a question like that. That’s rude

[@deefromdetroit7608]

Goff did

[@Williy_Nilly]

Unfortunately these defence lawyers got it right. It's going to be a tall order for the 3 lawyers to get their clients off on all charges.

[@richardvinsen2385]

You said they got it right but they’re going to lose?

[@crand20033]

Roddie Bryan fucked everything up for them. If it wasn't for him they would easily win this.

[@kenyagrooves]

@@crand20033 you need some attention?

[@Monica0978]

@@kenyagrooves Nah. He just needs eyes and a brain to see the video.😆

[@crand20033]

I wonder what the speedometer on that truck said. That will tell us if he was really jogging or actually hauling ass to get away. This guy on felony probation for stealing ran and fought because he didn't want to go back to jail.

[@kenyagrooves]

Very weak defense..

[@crand20033]

Poorly written law so not guilty.

[@luckynhlanhlatshabalala2475]

I chased someone. It was a self defence

[@im_smert2348]

the closing doesn't matter, I saw the video. 3 guilty, 911 is a joke in yo town. roddie " should we have been chasing him? maybe not"

[@lovepet4565]

Hmmm i wonder if any jury members are watching this secretly? I know I would not, just because im paranoid of being caught But.....

[@bhrian6408]

Mcmichaels guilty Bryan not guilty would be justice.

[@d.rock2224]

Bryan was part of it, whether he committed the killing or not is irrelevant. Its like someone who takes part in a robbery with other people and one of those other people decide to kill someone. They are all still guilty of the killing.

[@tommy_kaira733]

Let this be a lesson to all people of color,America is not free for you...

[@crand20033]

Not free to go trespassing, prowling and burglarizing other people's houses.

[@geraldineallen8060]

​@@crand20033not free to bother people who are not bothering you or on your property. If you do bother a free person and you kill them then you will lose your Freedom. Now people should remember the Mcmichaels if they want to make that choice You will end up in a new gated community like them

[@nathanbrynmenyn935]

where are the videos that vinnie / court tv showed before , any1 showing prpoer rebuttale? the trial before kyle ?

[@johnnyraymond2532]

none of the defense team did just ask their clients

[@suzannebellotto1396]

The State

[@MLeago]

Trial was over for 5 minutes and Court tv ran the chyron “”3 Georgia men on trial for killing jogger” I mean cmon! Do better! I would expect that on CNN 👎

[@InstructorMike]

The problem that I see is the question of whether or not we are looking at it from the perspective of these defendants two of whom are not average citizens but are formally trained well experienced police officers who, while they are presently citizens, don’t just lose the mindset and training that they operated in for decades. Therein, we are trying to bring in the argument of a reasonable prudent person but we are not looking at it from the perspective of a former police officer who has the training and experience that they do. Just because you are no longer the police does that mean you suddenly drop your habits and mindset. No you are not going out doing traffic stops. But, investigation, Terry stops, , Probable cause, you’ve been operating in that mindset for all this time, you don’t just forget that stuff. You don’t just lose that mindset. If it would have been good for the police, it should have been argued that from their perspective that’s how they were operating. So they believed their beliefs and actions to be reasonable based upon their experience education training and habits.

[@ltravail]

True. But their beliefs and actions led to a very unfortunate outcome, for which they and they alone are responsible. Never understood how someone could be suspected of stealing from a property under construction, especially with no vehicle for getting away, no bags or sacks to carry anything, and wearing nothing but shorts and a tee shirt and shoes. So how could they have a compelling reason to suspect Arbery was stealing something? What could possibly be stolen from that property, bricks and planks? Makes no sense. Although I'm no fan of the defendants in this case, to convict them of murder and sentence them to life in prison IMHO would be a real injustice. However, there are lesser charges involved, as far as I am aware, that they should be convicted for. Frankly, I can't see a sentence of anymore than 10 years for the McMichaels' (with parole in 5 years), and 4 years for Bryan (with parole in 2 years). A vigilante lynch mob is no more welcome if the mob is "woke" than if the mob were rednecks.

[@michaelthompson7419]

Travis was a mechanic who had some boarding officers training. Greg was a police officer who could not maintain his certification. These men were not highly trained as you want to imply. They are mediocre at best but they believed that they were acting legally.

[@Anna-fl3sv]

Seriously not running the rebuttal for AA? So much for Court Tv. BYE.

[@toryanderson5431]

Just heard Ted Rowland ask a guest

[@theresaturner8340]

The south makes my red state look like choir boys and girls

[@franks.2544]

Why are long dirty toenails relevant? Because REAL joggers take care of their feet...they have to.

[@sandradube4456]

Hatred is going to consume you, like it has done to these defendants. Whether they get sentenced or not, there will be a day of reckoning. On that day there'll be gnashing of teeth!

[@franks.2544]

@@sandradube4456 No hatred Sandra, just the uncomfortable facts that some people refuse to acknowledge. I understand.

[@sandradube4456]

@@franks.2544 There is nothing Ahmaud did on that day that can justify his murder. Long (toenails) is subjective, some people think my toenails are long because they keep theirs shorter than mine. I do a French manicure so I don't cut mine off completely and I am a jogger. Dirty/ clean toenails have no bearing on jogging. That woman has a dark heart like her clients, racist and full of hatred and she exposed herself, and I for one was glad. This was a hate crime, an innocent man who wasn't armed, hadn't been committing a crime, was hunted and gunned down for refusing to comply with Travis' orders. The nerve! Such arrogance! To think a black man has to take orders from you or else risk getting shot! ("Stop or I'll blow you efing head off") Look what their arrogance and pride has done to them? 3 families have been destroyed because we cannot respect one another and understand nobody is the boss of another citizen. If you don't see how your heart is dark for defending the actions of these people you are deceived and deceiving yourself. Seek the Lord while he may be found, he will remove the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. Otherwise you will condemn yourself to he'll fire. Jesus she'd his blood for Ahmaud, he might have long, dirty toenails to you but to Him, he was precious enough to lay His life down for. We will give an account!

[@franks.2544]

@@sandradube4456 I think you've succumbed to the media propaganda of 'eternal victimhood'. That canard will consume you if you let it.

[@sandradube4456]

@@franks.2544 I'm no victim of anything, I'm a child of the most high God, born again, washed in his blood and justified. A citizen of heaven, Indwelt by the Spirit of truth! Nothing not even hell fire will consume me. However.. "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.) There is a day of reckoning, we shall give an account! Melanin or no melanin it won't make a difference before the God of the universe. Seek him while he may be found.

[@accountsmanager2852]

This host is bias in his commentary on cases .

[@MrKredinger]

The fact that the state already repealed the citizens arrest law after this killing does not bode well for the defendant

[@dennisn1672]

Prosecutor didn't have to prove anything. Video provided the verdict. Can't claim self defense when your the pursuer. They all know their going to prison. You can see that in their faces. Roddy hung himself giving that video to the police. As soon as travis shot that guy he should of erased that video immediately. He wouldn't be facing prison. He could have denied having anything to do with the chase. Foolish.

[@jodydarby]

He was no jogger. It’s embarrassing that this channel and others are referring to him as such.

[@jimwheeler6094]

So what was he doing then?

[@geraldineallen8060]

He could have been walking ,running or backflips. He could have been barefoot and naked. He was not bothering them or on their Property. According to Gregory he told the 911 Operator he was running. Isn't that what he said. Then he told the Police Officer on the scene he didn't know what Ahmaud had done So I guess he couldn't even get his on story right

[@hofg1970]

Attorney Sheffield gave a great closing argument. He and his co-counsel were also impressive during their Court TV interview afterwards. Very professional.

[@krb96]

i hit dislike but I love the video and I want more. thanks youtube

[@SLO4SpeedBump]

Vinny, "who started this" O. K. Your shopping in a Mall. You've been in three stores where you purchased items. On the way back to your car your stopped by a store employee who wants you to stop and wait for the police. She suspects you of stealing merchandize. Your child gets out of school in 10 minutes and it'll take that and maybe more if traffic is bad. You tell her the truth that you didn't steal anything but she doesn't believe you and she places herself between you and your car door. ?? Were the Mc Michaels making a "Citizens Arrest" or did they ask Mr. Arbery to stop and wait for the Police? The Police Body Cam shows them stating, "we asked him to stop and wait for the police". No where in any video do the Mc Michaels state, stop your under citizens arrest. The only people making this claim are the "Prosecution Team" Hummm.

[@jewlzmonet2502]

@Ms. Kitty Katt pay no mind he supports the acts of these men, he believes Ahmaud is the person who is at fault... if he stopped he wouldn't be dead If he complied with what they wanted he wouldn't be dead And if he never grabbed a pump shot gun that was pointing at him.. that has to be cocked back to shoot he wouldn't be dead... he was shot 3 times BY A PUMP SHOT GUN!!!! Apparently it's all ahmauds fault and these men are on trial due to political reasons not the fact they acted as a lynche mob to attack a young black man for no reason...

[@ann-mariewilliams1712]

I’ll never understand what could possess a grown adult to grab at another persons firearm. I will never understand that thought process. It’s crazy.

[@sr2291]

Maybe if you were chased, hit so hard you were thrown in a ditch, hit 3 more times by truck, pinned in with both, told by one of the 3 men folliwing you that he was going to blow your f***ing head off, then passed and blocked in "like a rat" and had a gun aimed at you when you ran toward the truck, then finally ambushed with the gun at the front of the truck. Maybe that would make you angry and you would turn to defend yourself.

[@geraldineallen8060]

I don't know what grown adult would leave his son on the couch To go bother another person who was not bothering them or on their property. Then get out of the safety of my truck with the shotgun saying I was fearing for my life. Even though you say that person didn't have anything in his hand or even threatened you Make that Make Sense. Now Travis will have to answer that question. I hope he lives a long time to find that answer He has 30 plus years find out why what he did was wrong. But I guess he will blame Ahmaud and the Jury for him being in prison

[@dtrez3866]

The defense position sounds more than reasonable. Greg mcmichael's attorney did extremely well.

[@rayray8687]

@D Fid: I agree, she did great…for a first year law student arguing a rural property line dispute or a neighbor’s dog poop on your lawn, lmao. She edged on embarrassing as a murder trial lawyer.

[@karenhill5925]

😂 that is the funniest comment DFid

[@dtrez3866]

@@karenhill5925 Check out Nate the lawyers coverage of Greg's attorney's closing argument. I've never seen them so quite (I haven't watch them much though). Both Nate and his guess said she did very well. They gave her 8 out of 10. I would give her 9. They dropped it to 7 after she, according to them, dragged it on for like 5 mins too long.

[@stevenstroupe3805]

You the media needs to do away with this narrative that this black dude was a jogger. He was not just a jogger. He was up to no good. He was shady.

[@susans64]

Idk about you, but I have walked I'll into a home under construction, as I walked my dog. I was just curious what the house looked like. I guess my dog and I were a couple of shady characters, up to no good.... It's just funny how you think you know what he was doing, that he was up to no good and what about him made him a shady character?

[@moeabber4217]

@@susans64 What's that saying about curiosity?

[@geraldineallen8060]

You need to do away with Ahmaud was stealing from the neighborhood. Travis said he didn't steal his gun. Officer Rash told Gregory they had picture of the man who stole the woman 's purse. And the best one The Homeowner Larry English told them and Officer Rash on February 11 that Ahmaud had never stolen anything from his property. I wonder why they didn't believe him. Because if they did they wouldn't be in prison.

[@stevenstroupe3805]

@@geraldineallen8060 so caseing the place for something of value. To sell or trade for drugs. Is not stealing. Bullshit! I bet you are black?

[@mikecalif5553]

The Video shows the now dead guy running around a truck and attacking a guy with a shot gun and gets shot. 100% self defence.

[@karenhill5925]

I disagree the video showed Ahmaud being chased by Roddys truck and then seeing Travis truck in front and Travis standing with his shotgun at the side of drivers door Ahmaud on seeing this ran to the right passenger side of the truck Travis then moved from the drivers side and went round the front of the truck pointing the shotgun as Ahmaud went past passengers door coming face to face with Ahmaud ! This action alone on Travis part is aggressor as he went towards the victim that is why you Can Not claim that action was self defence!

[@geraldineallen8060]

The video show Travis bothering a person who was not bothering him or on his property The video shows him pointing his gun at an unarmed man. Who according to him never said a word to him. It shows him get out of his truck to stop a free American. I guess he didn't believe Ahmaud has a right to run anywhere he wants. Now the video has him in prison.

[@Misssssysparkles]

Gossip and karens not even speculation

[@ByteMeCompletely]

Arbury escalated the situation by trying to take the gun. If Arbury had just waited for the cops to arrive the only charge might have been trespassing. Arbury chose to gamble with his life.

[@edwarddanville231]

If you can not understand why,then know God takes scare of the babies and idiots!

[@crand20033]

If the law is poorly written the verdict must be not guilty.

[@kenyagrooves]

Big ole dummy

[@kenyagrooves]

Go clean your dentures..

[@crand20033]

@@kenyagrooves You'll get to my age too, if your lucky.

[@crand20033]

Luckier than Arbery that is. LOL.

[@rayray8687]

@@crand20033: Which “poorly written” law are you referring to?

[@vytallicaq.6881]

NOT GUILTY. Travis admitted that Ahmaud wasn't INITIALLY a threat when he was trying to get him to stop. But then Ahmaud BECAME a threat when he attacked Travis in an attempt to wrestle the gun away. Travis had to shoot him at that point. If Travis wanted to murder Amaud he would have shot him before he even got close. The fact that he waited until Ahmaud grabbed the gun is proof that he was trying to avoid shooting him if he could. All Ahmaud had to do was stop and say "What is this all about?" Then wait for the cops to come and determine if he was the guy responsible for the break-ins in the neighborhood. It was totally legitimate for a neighborhood watch group to be suspicious of any stranger in their neighborhood when there is an ongoing problem with crime in the area. Anyone who defiantly holds on to the attitude that they have the right to physically attack someone who is confronting them over a suspicion is only endangering themselves. There is so much crime these days, suspects HAVE to be confronted. By cops or neighborhood watch groups. It's a necessity to keep neighborhoods safe and EVERYONE needs to understand and comply.

[@crand20033]

I wonder what the speedometer on that truck said. That will tell us if he was really jogging or actually hauling ass to get away. This guy on felony probation for stealing ran and fought because he didn't want to go back to jail.

[@1suitcasesal]

Wrong. Ahmaud did not have to do anything. He did not have to stop and tell anyone anything. He owed no one an explanation of anything. You are so way out there in your comment that it's unbelievable. Also, people do not have to understand and comply with neighborhood watch organizations or anything else. You are not the police. You are not the judge. You are not the jury. You are not the executioners. You did not make the rules. People are not required to go by your rules. The people of this country decided what the laws and rules are. You are not special. Get over it. They are guilty.

[@geraldineallen8060]

All Travis had to do was stay on his couch with his son He chose to run out the house with his gun He knew on February 11 Ahmaud had not stolen anything from that property the Homeowner told them and Officer Rash. He also knew Ahmaud didn't steal his gun. Now he can blame Ahmaud for him being in prison.

[@georgelayton6641]

Kyles.