INSANE Sonic Conspiracy Theories

Sonic fan theories have populated the internet for decades now. However, there are a specific sub-set of theories that seem crazy, but they make a ton of sense when you think about them. Let's talk about some Sonic conspiracy theories!
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"End of the World" from Sonic 06
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"Shamar (Night)" from Sonic Unleashed
"Chao Race" from Sonic Adventure
"Aquarium Park Act 2 (Remix)" from Sonic Colors Ultimate
"Midnight Owl" from Sonic Lost World
"Cyber Space 1-3" from Sonic Frontiers
"Fakery Way" from Sonic Adventure
"Boss (US)" from Sonic CD
"Result" from Sonic 06
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[@SpinKreator]

I hate the “Tails is dead” theory because everybody fails to realize that the good ending has both of them in the sky.

[@burner555]

Mfw Sonic and Tails were dead all along

[@omegaflowey9932]

But the game over theme does not fit

[@SpinKreator]

@@omegaflowey9932 You said that three times, and I didn't understand a single time you said it.

[@charmyzard]

The implicit meaning of Sonic alone in the field though. Shouldn't it be his constellation alone in the sky then? Why Tails'? To remind you to go for the good ending, of course. Still, you're right: This doesn't mean Tails is dead... but maybe worse: That he's kept as a test dummy or unwilling math slave for 8-bit Eggman.

[@madokalover]

no one knows that bc the game is so goddamn hard

[@Amiculi]

When I saw "Sonic isn't blue" with the picture of a red Sonic, I thought the theory was going to be that he was so fast he was blue shifted.

[@Akunne-to8iv]

@gamingrainbowandothers293 ye it is

[@nightygamer11x]

“Kid”: *Gasp* Dad, what if I die this time and we make me no-clip into walls. Father: What the fuck.

[@Cortez_blast]

My theory : tails can't die and he's immortal. However every time he dies and respawns, he loses peices of his memory wich is why hes a coward in the newer games

[@FirestoneAnimation]

You might actually be onto something.

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

hahahahahhahaha.............

[@kauanjos3199]

Bro thinks Tails is Meliodas

[@UltraCenterHQ]

dude made a binding vow. that's crazy

[@SilverSaiyanAce]

​@@kauanjos3199 Meliodas but if he became more emotional instead of less emotional

[@VXMasterson]

Tails going through a Winter Soldier type arc would be WILD

[@lemonyanva1976]

There was sonic prime, the show was pretty mid but it explored what tails could've became

[@ItsImYoBoiLMS]

True

[@TKize777]

Who the hell is Miles

[@SamCo-]

Tail's full name is miles (tails 'nickname' )prower.

[@SamCo-]

Tails is miles nickname.

[@ericm215]

Mario IS Sonic. Mario wears a hedgehog suit like the tanooki and frog, ect...

[@charmyzard]

Mario gave us Sonic.

[@thealmightydollar...]

Robot saying no meme

[@VELVET_WARRIOR]

the theory about sonic and his friends being a bunch of kids playing and pretending with their older parent/guardian being eggman is so cute. I really want to see this as some sort of alternate concept because i love how endearing it is.

[@Emery_Pallas]

The Eggman setting up all the trap in the levels is actually somewhat canon to Sonic CD (at least in concept art). The increasing amount of mechanical traps as the levels progress represent Eggman's increasing control of Little Planet, with Stardust Speedway and Metallic Madness being completely under his control. Its a really cool form of silent storytelling and I'm surprised it was never brought back for any of the games.

[@Feroror]

and that’s why sonic CD is secretly the best classic 2D sonic game 😎

[@Emery_Pallas]

@@Feroror It is my favorite, though thats just a me thing

[@charmyzard]

@@Feroror Artistically yes.

[@Spir1tViri]

Should've kept it in permanently tbh

[@LobotomyTC]

Eggman DID intentionally place the level hazards, springs, bumpers, etc. in most Sonic games, and has admitted to it a handful of times. He even did so in the Sonic OVA. Also yes, they DID release the wrong build of Sonic 06. Kind of. The game went gold and went into production much earlier than the last known build of the game (which is the Xbox Live Arcade demo of Sonic 06, released about a month before the game launch, and much more similar to the one seen at E3 2006). The XBLA demo has all of these features present, including the dynamic day/night cycle, better physics, a homing attack with SA2 styled downward arc, normal spinjumping on enemies would do damage, etc. It actually DID play well in that demo. Unfortunately, the game we got is about 3 months older than the build date on the XBLA Demo. I still have a copy of this demo, which I will pick up from time to time. Polygon Jim once started integrating features from this demo into the final game, but it didn't get too far, as he unfortunately died in a car accident some years ago.

[@keiyakins]

Surprised they didn't do a day one patch... 2006 wasn't quite so early they couldn't have.

[@LobotomyTC]

@@keiyakins The game had patches, and even DLC, but it was never brought up to the build date of the demo, for some reason.

[@charmyzard]

So, I've thought about the "Infinite is broken Tails from 8-bit Sonic 2" one for a bit, and I've come to an interesting conclusion: The 8-bit games happened in an alternate timeline, and when the Phantom Ruby appeared into our timeline, seemingly unsupported by even reality as Silver's future seemingly fell apart "in real time" as it was introduced, one of the first instances of reality-breaking may have been Eggman making contact with his 8-bit-verse self and taking his Tails for some of his "modern Eggman" technology; an arms exchange. This explains perfectly why Infinite lacks the second tail, his inferiority complex, and special seeming hatred for Sonic. He let him down, the first friend he ever truly had. Where was his hero? His thirst for destruction being him lashing out his hatred against everything is reframed as something despicably tragic instead of more plain evil.

[@AccelerateHedge]

About the Sonic '06 thing, they DID release an unfinished build, but it was on purpose. They definitely had later builds of the game made, but they were very unstable and probably unbeatable. Retail '06 is just the closest thing they had to something acceptable beyond demos.

[@RDSC_]

For the sonic 06 conspiracy theres some information you left out. Halfway through the game yuji naka was kicked off the team and they lost a whole bunch of progress which is why the game isnt as good as it looked in the trailers and what not.

[@knowingjordankid]

The old movie Sonic design was weird and when I first saw I was like they are going on a wrong path. The new design made me a lot more happy.

[@lasercraft32]

WHAT IF THIS WHOLE TIME SONIC WAS PORCUPINE INSTEAD OF A HEDGEHOG???

[@OrangezLanternz]

me when pizza tower sage 2019 demo

[@TrueBruceTube]

@@OrangezLanternz I was just about to reference Snick, my 2nd favorite PT character, used to be my favorite but The Noise as a character is really fun.

[@dangangalaxy9759]

My conspiracy theory: I think Yuji Naka is cursed. Every single project he touches either has bafflingly odd decisions made for it, has something weird or bad outside of his control happen to it, or both. There’s always a monkey paw with everything he touches, especially the Sonic series, which he created. Considering the guy has always been kind of a jerk, I wouldn’t be surprised of someone put a hex on him or something lol.

[@AnAverageGoblin]

Not a curse, its what having a bad personality does to your work and people around you.

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Also, Infinite and Tails are separate species despite being canines. Infinite is a jackal, while Tails is a fox. Also, Sonic 2(Master System) is a spin-off game of Sonic 2(Genesis). Same goes for Sonic The Hedgehog, where instead of being a port of the original game, it's built from the ground up and introduced new concepts, like picking up emeralds from the ground instead of from a special stage. Also, the spikes could be placed just by a former civilization, like Hydrocity Zone. In media, booby-traps are a common trope when it comes to visiting ancient ruins. Also, the ghosts from Sonic and Knuckles's "Sandopolis Zone Act 2" don't work for Eggman since they're in a capsule, until Sonic broke it, therefore releasing them. They also don't drop any animal compared to Eggman's robots meaning that they are ghosts and not metallic creations.

[@charmyzard]

But then again, Episode Shadow and the prequel comics were afterthoughts. Maybe the plans were different at the start...

[@burnum]

The build that was more finished couldn't work for the 360/PS3, and yes, it has been stated to be the case. I doubt Nintendo cared enough to go and sabotage X-Treme.

[@ReeceCarpenter-xp3nd]

He also breaks the fourth wall in sonic unleashed when he looks at the camera and says did I fall on him at the start of the game

[@RandomAnimeGamer]

The 06 build theory is definitely not real, pre-release footage used an earlier build that they lost access to. The two theories on this are that they had a hard drive catastrophe due to a power outage or that the build was later used for Secret Rings (since that was originally the wii port of 06). The latter makes a lot of sense, given a lot of the themes of the game in general and some aspects from the early build being in it. This same situation happened for Sonic X-Treme where it ended up using the Nights engine, and Yuji Naka forced them to stop using the engine, based on Sega's policy on internal tech usage.

[@ilyamuromez6412]

The sonic being human therory kinda implies these kids know: -what aids is -child death and governmental conspiracy -

[@Londonlink]

Funny part Sonic in the comics is blue because of the chaos emeralds but when he has his power taken he is brown

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

17:37 its always the good ending thats canon, so this is not likely, like you said

[@charmyzard]

But in an alternate timeline, one to which the reality-altering pink rock could've made a door to...

[@PieStudios]

For some added context on the 06 theory: the reason why the tech demos generally look better is because those demos had separate teams with separate deadlines, so they had time to make improvements to various gameplay functions. But these tech demos were on 360, and the main platform was PS3 (since they’re Japanese obv) so these changes and fixes were never brought into the main development build of the game Matt McMuscles talked about this in his what happened video for Sonic 06, shoutouts to him

[@BB9_animations]

for the theory where tails is dead, I think its a relative of tails, who joined sonic to get revenge on Eggman.

[@odditykid7898]

My personal favorite is the idea that Honey and Fang are the Sol Dimension counterparts of Shadow and Rouge respectively. Absolutely no proof whatsoever, but the idea of stoic-and-withdrawn Blaze fighting against this silly fashionista cat is a fun parallel to Sonic and Shadow. The two of them are also some of the only characters to not really care about the Chaos Emeralds, Fang just wanting to sell them off to find them for nice reward most of the time while Honey just uses them as a means to an end so she can take care of the Death Egg 2 entirely to get more promotion for her fashion business. Very silly and fun to think about.

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

12:07 People say that sonic had a rough transition to 3D with SA1..................... imagine how it would be with X-treme.............

[@SonicThrough-out]

It's crazy to think that ppl think Sonic's world is made by eggman

[@L1am21]

It's crazy that they call dr robotnik eggman.

[@Nister.N]

I absolutely love the 06 build theory. It's answers so many questions about the game and I don't see much proof against it.

[@iananderson4754]

A theory I heard was that the alpha build of 06 kept crashing so they had to use an earlier build and the xbox live demo is supposed to be built upon the alpha build which is why it has so many differences including not having the standing on the side of wall glitch. I cant seem to find any evidence for this. someone suggested that they built the demo afterwards with some improvements but if thats the case why would they not patch out any of the glitches that were apparently fixed in the demo. The only reason they wouldn't do that is that the build used in the demo is different to the one in the game.

[@isaiahscobel]

Every mainline character in the series after Project Shadow was meant to prevent the echidnas from going extinct (with the exception of the characters from the Sol Dimension)

[@DanialDEcool]

4:49 Marble and hilltop are volcanic. But egg man did partially create his world. As the game progresses, robotnik’s power over the world. Labrynth is the bottom of the island so it’s the last old structure in sonic 1. Afterward, is starlight which is his and scrap brain. The third act of scrap brain is labyrinth because it was mechanised by robotnik. 18:41 This game was de-canonised by origins.

[@Mecha-tel]

Bro you uploaded this on the last day of my 7th grade year, what a coincidence, great video btw.

[@mattiaZ3000]

Another proof that debunks the "Tails is dead" theory is the good ending of sonic 2 8-bit, which shows Sonic and Tails in the Sky.

[@charmyzard]

Yet the implicit meaning of Sonic alone in the field watching Tails' constellation instead of his own if this meant nothing. Why?

[@Pumpkinchu.]

@@charmyzard to tell the player to go back for tails

[@TrollmakerOfficial]

Bro wtf google assistant launched on my phone when u said hey google 17:20

[@AsayaPaul]

SAME

[@dat1tallguy637]

Ditto although I saw it coming😂

[@Classic-guy1991]

10:36 “this whole fourth wall breaking thing started in the 2010’s” Incorrect sonic has been barking the forth wall since day one. Knew that and still got it wrong.

[@SFproductions1]

sorry not started but made common with the meta era you know because of the whole different writing direction

[@HarryPRO-xp3nl]

i think the last theory is likely because tails was this awesome kid in sa1 and 2 and suddenly in all of the other games he's just this scared guy he doesnt mean anything and the reason tails was so confused in sonic forces because he was reading about himself when infinite beat up sonic and eggman probably used the timestones and went to the bad ending of sonic 2 8 BIT and stole that tails from there and turned him into infinite*

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

Ah yes, conspiracies, some are scary, specially the more obscure or bad ones

[@rpmguy648]

Imagine if some kid was imagining IDW. "Ok, kids, what are we gonna do today." "Well this time we'll have Whisper's team be killed by their former teammate, and then we're gonna show that Whisper completely rewrote her personality because it was so traumatizing. But then the evil teammate's gonna come back so Whisper's gonna kill him."

[@TheSultan1470]

I want a stealth action/platformer game with those two. Perhaps having alternating POV levels, showing the cat and mouse games they play.

[@Hannyxtreme]

About the theory of Sonic 2, I remember hearing that after that bad ending of the game, Sonic 3 from Sega Genesis continues, and that all the phases represent the phases of the duel, that's all I remember because I heard that in a video years ago but I think it's better than just saying that the tails of the other games are imaginary and that's it, obviously the theory is still not credible but I like the other one better, I don't know.

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Even if tails did die in game gear sonic 2 that isn’t the canon ending so it’s moot either way

[@CLASSICSONICVSMORDENSONIC]

i feel sorry for tails .

[@PinkyPinkuPinko]

The fact that the "HES NOT BLUE" is the biggest thing we can see on the thumbnail 😂

[@Akunne-to8iv]

15:07 as a 11 year old i have created multiple stories in my head which i plan to make when im older

[@israelmendes4756]

Not only when you keep stopped, but also when you die, he looks straight to the player with a face kinda like "The hell you doin'?" Like he's mad for you letting him die in the game

[@mediamanjamessmith251]

Also let’s not forget, (regarding “Ugly Sonic being a marketing plan”) the Vancouver, Canada division of Moving Picture Company (the VFX company behind the Sonic Redesign) had to shutdown which according to workers who were laid off was because of: crunch times of 17-hour days (w/ no days off), “external marketing pressures”, and other opportunities made sustaining the studio difficult

[@Sonic24prime]

I just started playing sonic mania on my iPhone and I love it

[@MPie-zh6tp]

Also in the good ending of Sonic 2 game gear/master system, sonic and tails are the sky

[@mousie4649]

17:07 why did you trigger my Google assistant man :(

[@chucknorris2913]

17:19, the dry delivery made this way funnier than it otherwise woulda been.

[@connorbeith3232]

If there's one Sonic character that I think for sure knows they're not real, it's Sticks. She interacts with the audience in a bigger way than Sonic did in the games, telling them that they missed off-screen plot points or telling them to keep watching the show.

[@3DperspectiveJS]

About the first theory, as a 3D artist myself, I understand just how much time and effort it takes to make a fully cgi character. For them to make the first design just for it to only be used as a publicity stunt just wouldn’t make sense.

[@KairanFarr]

Here's a joke theory I thought of: Sonic takes place in the future, as seen in the Archie Sonic games and Mario takes place in the present, 2017 as far as I calculated. Wario is 25 years old and would be born in 1992. Eggman was born in 3189. Wario and Eggman are both round, have goofy moustaches, are villains and have pink noses. Wario is Eggmans ancestor

[@normalichu]

11:33 There's a moment in Sonic Frontiers that goes something like this Sage: What is your end goal? Sonic: It depends, sometimes it's a spinning sign, sometimes it's a big 'ol ring It's kinda funny

[@qxz9p]

Remember Mario 64 was released on a build that didn’t have optimization turned on, so it suffers from performance issues. I wouldn’t put it past devs to accidentally release the wrong build.

[@Sonic24prime]

So I don’t no when I’m pumping out the sonic colors ultimate review I’m trying to make short videos so when I find time summer break is coming but I’m probably not gonna have much time there either so I’ll try making the sonic ultimate review when I can. Thanks again for letting me use your footage.

[@Ratscallion_exe]

My Theory: Everything is Canon, if you have multiple canons That implies that there could be 4 Canon Versions of Blaze: Sonic Rush/Adventure Blaze Sir Percival Sonic '06 Blaze ...And if Silver had successfully did his deed in the cycle of Solaris... *_*Ignis Blaze*_* EDIT: /// THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE FUTURE /// YEAR OF SHADOW EVERYONE, SHADOWS ARE RISING I REPEAT, SHADOWS ARE RISING, GEARS ARE RISING, ANGELS ARE SCREAMING IN BLAZING FIRE & DEVILS ARE BREAKING IT DOWN CRYING _SAVIOR_ _BLUESTAIN_ _SOLFIRE_ _SHADOW_ _HEAVEN ON A LANDSLIDE_

[@sugarsmile7852]

Funny thing about sonic not being blue is that we already had sonic not being blue all the way back in 1991 with the sonic bible

[@L1am21]

I have a sonic theory. it's that sonic doesn't need a story he just runs fast and loop de loops his way into your heart.

[@CleaveTheDragon]

I love the "sonic movie model" conspiracy cause it comes from a place of trying to give paramount too much credit. Yeah, I'm sure they're gonna release the real version of the Knuckles tv show that isn't 80 percent Wade Whipple any day now.

[@reniculous1559]

Used to believe the publicity stunt thing, but I never knew just how much info we had about things before the redesign

[@user-pz45s]

I also refuse to believe that it was a publicity stunt. There's also a lost trailer of the FIRST Sonic movie trailer and the design for that one was a lil bit worse. I mean if the current design was planned before making ugly Sonic, why even go as far as remaking TWO trailers (possibly the movie) with ugly designs JUST to get attention for a movie that was highly anticipated and wanted baldy since it was rumored???

[@Verynoobman]

i like how the first thing people think of about "take off hedgehog suit" is the fact that hes not blue instead of not being a hedgehog

[@omegaflowey9932]

But it says "Hedgehog suit" not "blue suit"

[@terrycore]

Looked it up, the trailer dropped a full year plus a month ahead of the movie so from an animation perspective I now 100% believe it wasn’t a hoax. It’s a huge investment so it’s hard to believe, but public outcry showed the producers that people care about this character en masse and they’d make the investment back if it was fixed.

[@larrygiles8556]

Sonic games have some easy-to-overlook dark moments like the last scene in this video with Amy in Sonic 3. Robotnik burned down Angel Island forest most likely killing plenty of animals. So his killing Tails isn't farfetched to me, but I'm sure that's not what that ending means.

[@BlueAmpharos]

4:40 You ever hear of a series of volcanic islands known as Hawaii? Granted, nothing about Marble Garden makes sense, but Hill Top is obviously a volcanic mountain. Some volcanos have plant life growing on them after periods of inactivity.

[@sonchedgeofthehog7222]

8:26 chaotix also has tan legs sonic

[@justatoaster7476]

The 06 one makes no sense. The builds shown in trailers probably had more features but were less functional and may have had even more bugs. The game was rushed and they probably just decided to ship out the latest build that could actually be beaten glitches and all.

[@Slideshow_Bob_Die_Bart_Die]

Okay SF Productions I Think I May Have Some Evidence Towards The Fourth Wall Break Theory: In Metallic Madness Bad Future We Have Many Lines In A Robotic Voice (Probably Metal) Saying Many Things But One That Caught My Attention Was "You Can’t Do Anything So Don’t Even Try It Get Some Help" Being Aware Of Us the Player And That We Got A Bad Future

[@Slideshow_Bob_Die_Bart_Die]

11:00

[@SprocketWatchclock]

The traps not being a natural part of the world isn't even a theory. It's straight up said in the OVA. Sonic 06 was bad because they had a server crash and lost months worth of work but corporate refused to give them an extension on the release date because of the holidays.

[@aizakhoja2521]

My sonic conspiracy theory: when ever knuckles goes on a adventure the master emerald is guarded by mighty and ray and I think we don’t see sonic running at the speed of sound because we won’t see him and might fail the level

[@zephon6745]

In some Sonic Media Sonic was originally Brown.

[@olliesidaway]

A lot of these theories do sound like copium ngl, people tryna find explanations for the bad aspects of Sonic games rather than just saying the people making them were inadequate

[@mcninja6592]

i've always seen hilltop as a volcanic area as it full of lava

[@Cookiefromtheshugacookies]

sonic used to be orange.

[@Mike_Dubo]

If we go by Archie Sonic lore, the "Sonic and friends are humans" and the "Current Tails is not the og Tails" theories are kinda half right. Bear with me: In the comic's lore the world of Mobius, Sonic's world, was just our world, but millenia after an alien race wiped humanity, as well as several animal species, by turning all of them into a new primordial soup. The races that would then populate the world would have a mix of human and animal dna, resulting in the various characters we see in the series. By the by, Robotnik (Eggman) was not a full on human in the comics, but a member of a human like species that came from the same goo as the Mobian Hedgehogs, Echidnas, etc. So, in a way, Sonic and co could be considered to be part human. As for Tails, atone point he was captured by Mammoth Mogul, a powerful and ancient wizard, in order to feed off the energy of his super form. He then made a magical copy of Tails, that would go on adventures with Sonic for a time, until they realized what happened, and the copy Tails sacrificed himself to free the original. Keep in mind, this wasn't revealed to the audience to be a thing until the characters themselves learned of it, and by that point, several comics had gone past about the adventures of Sonic and Copy Tails, so in this instance, we do have a case of Sonic hanging out with "another" Tails. ...yeah, Archie Sonic lore be like that.

[@themoabrigade]

in the origional comics, Sonic was brown.... and became blue after the accident that gave him his speed and yeah the comics arnt cannon with the games but this seems like a good explanation for it, could also be game sonic just dyes his hair cuz he is a 25 years old hedgehog thats like 150 in hedge years! lol XD

[@Kamon23]

The sonic 06 myth is implausable because if they put out and earlier build on accident they could have just pushed an update. The ps3 and the 360 were the first consoles capable of doing that and could have easily done it. Other games were patched so there is no reason 06 couldnt have been.

[@Ari_Flipzy]

you know, I'm shocked that I just learned Sonic's birthday is the same date and month as my birthday. Oh and our birthday is this Sunday or depending on the day your country is in. Happy early birthday for me.

[@AggressiveSpaghetti]

IMHO "ugly" sonic isn't even ugly, he's just not how sonic used to look like, and I like both designs, the first one maybe would work in a more dark and adult sonic movie

[@nalfunction552]

If you ever make a sequel to this video, please cover the theory of SA2 being all inside Knuckles head, I remember that thing actually messed me up as a kid and I couldn't play SA2 the same way for a while

[@therollingcreeper1]

8:25 The good ending of Knuckles chaotix actually has sonic with tan legs as well, even though you meant to say sonic pocket adventure.

[@SonicTheBlueFastBoi]

10:43 And in Sonic Boom (The TV Show), Eggman’s security camera IS the camera we see through

[@Only_Some]

they may have had more than a few builds of the game @ 95-98% finished, maybe just maybe the build with the complete animations was less stable for some unknown reason, maybe even a build where every bug we have in the game is not present but the game may be an unstable build... my guess is this is the most stable build sega had when it came down to it. to bad this game did not come out in the modern era, as simple updates can fix the issues

[@nekofox5821]

I feel like the theory that sonic characters know their in a video game is true because in all the sonic games the characters are the ones giving instructions on the controls and how to play the game

[@Akunne-to8iv]

i don't agree with the eggman made the springs and sheilds its obviously either power ups that just exist because games didn't really give plot to power ups or some other smart inventor like tails made these powerups and springs

[@33pandagamer]

I really like Sonic Chronicles and the music is kind of good.

[@arfinjalal4563]

My theory is tails is the direct descendant of the air fox

[@gligarguy4010]

Wait, are you trolling about the Sonic Extreme thing being "likely" or no? Because not only is it the dumbest theory in this vid by far, but the reasons you gave made no sense whatsoever. This has to be some kind of channel in-joke I'm not in on.

[@SFproductions1]

Of course I don't think it's true but considering what Nintendo has done in the past and nowadays, I can kind of see why people would think they tampered with X-treme's development... Now, do I think they paid off Yuji Naka? No, not really. But still, I think they had SOMETHING to do with Xtreme's cancellation

[@samifarkouche401]

I feel sorry for the sonic franchise ...so much failure and wrong choices.sometimes i fear that the series won't be able to continue.

[@Is-wunny]

Also i like the idea of Eggman planting all the Obstacles on Sonic's world BUT What if instead of Eggman doing so Directly, he sent his robots to do so, that'd explain some Mediocre Spike placement and weird obstacles but Sonic's Stuff like Loops and Springs werent removed because, well, Eggman Robots are mediocre at best

[@keiyakins]

... why wouldn't they just restore the accidentally deleted music from their VCS? Or, hell, if they broke it there recover them from a copy on another developer's machine?

[@theultimaneard]

my only question is if the wrong sonic 06 build was released why didn't the correct build get put in to it as an update patch to at least try save the reputation on the game. it just don't make sense to me to think they would intentionally leave this game in the state its in.

[@mariochicasg]

Yeah, Tails’ death in Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (SEGA Master System) is not canon.

[@CaiusRushfirth]

18:52 If you do save tails, then they will both look up into the sky and see a cloud in the shape of Sonic and Tails

[@KatarinaPanić-d3p]

If cats is real so can the old look of Sonic in the movie

[@ManuFortis]

7:22 No actually, it is very likely they accidentally released the wrong build. It's not exactly unheard of for things like this to happen, though maybe not exactly like how this occurred. For instance, there are games out there like I think FF9, where the source code is just straight up gone forever. Deleted with no backups known about. Which is why it, along with some other games that get ported to PC, tend to be ported over from the PS1 release instead of the internal build they already (should) have that can be ported over properly instead without the 'optimizations' made for the console. Etc stuff like that. Uncommonly known about in the gaming community (*though it really should be better known) is that except for games made on development systems outright; most games are made on a PC with the hardware it is running being used to make the game. The release onto console or other hardware is more of an afterthought of sorts. It's made to work well on the PC, and then altered to work well enough on console. (again, unless a proper development system is available. And even then there is still nuanced exceptions.) A good example of this being the case, where some game is made without the 'official' development kit, is like how EA used to release their hockey games on Sega genesis. Long story short, they didn't want to jump through Sega's hoops, so they reverse engineered the cartridge just to be able to sell their game without a license from Sega. Since they already had the game made, mostly if not completely at that point; it was just a matter of getting it published. I.E. All the code and such had already been written. On a PC, or the dev kit (if they had one at that point. I think they didn't... hence part of the reason why the backwards engineering was needed.) Anyways. Even if some of the details aren't quite correct, the main point overall remains the same. Developers/publishers absolutely do make huge mistakes from time to time, where whole projects get deleted, or the wrong build gets used. One last example, sort of. Dark Souls on PS3's original release, contained exploits that weren't supposed to be there on the release build, so it required a day one patch. I'm trying to find some information that corroborates this, but google is mostly full of people talking about the legal issues Fromsoftware had with Sony because of the name of the game needing to be changed due to Demon Souls being owned by Sony. That, and people talking about the exploit itself, now how it came to be. That sort of thing. What I remember though comes from an article from back in 2012 or so. And I remember it mentioning something from the developers saying something along the lines of "We released the wrong version of the game." So. Yeah, this one is more plausible than you might think. And yes, the manual having elements of the game that the game itself does not contain for whatever reason; is a glaring red flag that it's likely true.

[@JRSonicFan2024]

It could be unlikely, because the PS3 and Xbox 360 were the first consoles capable of digital game updates. If Sega released the wrong version of 06, they could just send a patch or update to the game and the problems would be resolved. It's like the first day of the Switch port of Sonic Colors Ultimate back in 2021. It was very buggy at the start until Sega sent an update to fix all the issues.

[@ManuFortis]

@@JRSonicFan2024 This is not an unfair point. But, there is one aspect that maybe you didn't consider, or even realize at all? So, yes, updates were possible back then, but the sheer amount of what would need to be updated to 'fix' the game so to speak, would have necessitated likely an absolute huge update. The kind of which that back then, a lot of people just would not be able to download in a reasonable amount of time. It's why we still had mostly physical media back then. Internet access was both not universal, or fast. So imagine being Sega, releasing a broken game in such a scenario. How would you go about it in a way that doesn't immediately annoy your customers? Or at the very least, shifts the blame away from you, and onto something else? Well, you claim that one console is too hard to code for properly, and the other one is effectively just a port of that game; since coding them separately for each platform would cost more time and money. This would work back then, because the PS3 was a unique setup in how it operated compared to the Xbox 360, which was basically just a PC with some special edram or esram attached. (I forget which term it was). This situation with the PS3 was actually literally used as an excuse by companies too. Too hard to code for, hence why the game isn't as polished as promised, etc. And as for the Xbox 360, that special ram included caused its own hiccups. I think it was Fable 3 that showed this problem the best, with the game working just fine on PC, but had frame pacing issues on the 360 (if I remember correctly). Now, as for the update situation... Remember when Nintendo had that huge update released basically right after launch, which caused a bunch of kids christmas gifts to be effectively unusable until they got that update finished? If you do, then you probably realize instantly why such an update would be a terrible idea for a game that was just released. It would make it effectively unplayable until the update is finished. A game that you already bought in a state that should have been fully playable. Yes, there would be returns. And lost profit cause of it, rightfully so. So Sega probably just said 'Screw it, and make sure the next release doesn't have these problems.' To be fair to you, they really should have just put the update out anyways, if it really was the case that the wrong version got released. It would have sucked for those who want to play the game right away in a fully working state; but at least they would have gotten their monies worth properly eventually. Eventually, because of that network speed issue. Bluray games were often 25-50GB in size, and internet speeds were on average only hitting about 5-10mbps for A LOT of people. (City folk, you tend to forget that you have it pretty good for internet speeds. You are not the norm. Please, remember this.) IN fact, at the time, my own internet speed was literally a maximum of 5mbps. That would mean having to download 204800 megabits of data, assuming for the 25GB size the game might be needing to fully update. (not bytes, we're talking about network atm, not storage; which means we are working with bits and not bytes technically.) That would be about 11-12 hours of downloading time, assuming the 5mbps speed I had at the time was going full throttle the whole time without any hiccups. Oh, what's that you had a power outage at the 6th hour? Guess you get to restart that update. (If you can't just resume it, I forget if that was a thing yet for PS3. I think it was for 360, but not PS3... could be wrong, been a while.) If it were a 50GB game update... that's nearly a whole day of update time at the same speeds. Bluray today can handle up to 120~GB of data. Just imagine if we had to do a full update of that... on those speeds. Would be 2.5 days of update. I think it's fair to say that most would say F.this, and move on to a different game... even at the lower sizes.

[@HonoredGlint]

7:20 I think this was a Toy Story 2 situation where they lost the files except unlike Toy Story 2 06s files weren’t found

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

There are also several pieces of concept art as well as many production photos of the ugly movie Sonic. The theory that it was a marketing is 100% false.

[@luthergaming5789]

Sonic not being blue dosent make any sense because that's like his fur that's covering his skin so maybe that's why that thing was there.IDK man.

[@arfinjalal4563]

Sonic lost media video needed