Coven Counters Budget Precon Upgrade Guide - Midnight Hunt | Command Zone 423 | Magic The Gathering

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Double double toil and trouble, by the pricking of my thumb something BUDGET this way comes! This episode, Jimmy and Ashlen bring you our “Coven Counters” Innistrad: Midnight Hunt precon upgrade guide. We’ll tell you witch 10 cards to add and the 10 to take out (for about $30) to create a brew that can guide humanity to victory at any table!
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[@asavage1095]

Another great include is Kamahl, Heart of Krosa. He is a human, and gives +3/+3 and trample to all creatures at the beginning of combat

[@silverisblack]

26:06 Start of upgrade guide

[@trumpets101]

I disagree with Mentor of the Meek. It seems like a non-bo with the deck with Kyler at the helm. If Kyler is out, then any amount of counters is already going to make Humans entering larger than 2 power. And you want to be churning out Humans once you get Kyler out.

[@burnsboy101]

And green has way better be card draw

[@certaingloom3797]

Yeah, just play Elemental Bond or Cream of the Crop.

[@laharlfan71]

Garruk's Uprising should be fine here honestly, draw + trample

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

First thing i thought of when i saw this deck was : HAMZA ELEPHANT BOI

[@ThegreatMizuti777]

omg yes!

[@renanaraujo5435]

I'm buying this deck just to upgrade my hamza.

[@oppositecatchyghost8025]

My first thought was to make a Katilda, Dawnheart Prime Elfball-style Human Tribal deck.

[@ryanbowen4526]

@@renanaraujo5435 Haha same!!

[@adamabrahamssomekstrand7142]

SAAAAAME

[@thetux459]

"... those old cards from Ikoria." Ikoria cards are old?

[@ingolf82]

at the rate they are releasing sets? yes

[@snerdbrgrSkips]

No Slippery Bogbonder? It's a human that gives hexproof counters, and since Kyler which the deck is being skewed towards to, the hexproof counter pumps your team too.

[@maidenless_tarnished]

Love Slippery Bogbonder

[@geotraffic]

I really thought i would see Call the Coppercoats on this list. That card is insane with Kyler.

[@maidenless_tarnished]

Yea they are crazy for missing that card

[@morrius0757]

Still to this day Leinore is undervalued as a +1/+1 counter commander, that draw each turn is very nice and super easy to get online since you only need 2 other creatures on board if you don't "and you shouldn't" pump her up with her own effect. Her being able to put a counter on a creature unconditionally is nice as well since most commanders need a secondary theme like lifelink or needing to attack with them to do it, Leinore is consistent.

[@AngeloRosales64]

Ashlen be looking like the trendy grandma at a hair salon

[@starlord157]

I hope she’s ok.

[@TheDude8008S]

I wouldnt use "trendy" but to each there own

[@me12345635]

The hair makes her look like she has drank some of that "Gender Fluid" 😂

[@gdcustoumz2534]

She looked really pretty before, now she looks like the exact thing you just said

[@banaanuitdeboom4784]

I added: The Ozolith, Hardened Scales, Cathar's Crusade, Mirari's Wake and my favorite allstar: Renata, Called to the Hunt. Having every creature enter with a +1/+1 counter triggers so much stuff it's insane!

[@kandjar]

45:57 "Curse of the Climbing Webs" and "Sigarda, Heron's Grace" is NOT really a nombo, unless you curse yourself. If you curse an opponent which is for example playing a graveyard recurring deck, he will be the one exiling his creature and you'll get the spider. Sigarda cannot affect his graveyard, she only remove cards from yours. The only non-synergistic part is creature type, which is a reason valid enough to remove it from the upgraded precon; it's just not really a nonbo; it'd be just a graveyard hate in the deck.

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

[@Avusui]

I was just about to comment this... lol

[@MarkJGGs]

My friend who is relatively new to commander played this deck out of the box last night. Curse of the clinging webs was the biggest game all night. Right shut down the Orah deck for most of the game. Great graveyard hate and not a nonbo at all.

[@apostle6113]

Mentor of the meek feels really unsynergistic. Doesn’t Kyler make most of your humans bigger than 2/2s?

[@chrisstropki280]

Still amazes me mentor of the meek is played in any deck. It’s a garbage card.

[@justanotherhuman7106]

@@chrisstropki280 I mean if your playing anything other than mono white then yeah, but in mono white especially since a lot of white creatures are smaller and if you have token synergies then it can be a bomb. In the context of being mono white card draw that is. But yes I do agree with you that generally if it’s white paired with any other color then it’s not that great

[@chrisstropki280]

@@justanotherhuman7106 it’s a common misconception that it’s good. It may be the one of the better white draw spells, but it doesn’t mean it’s good. 3 mana to cast, then have to spend mana to draw on trigger. Consider best case scenario you create 3 tokens from a planeswalker, paying 1 for each trigger. That’s 6 mana draw 3. 50% more than a harmonize. I just don’t like the card at all and exemplifies why mono white is so far behind other colors.

[@justanotherhuman7106]

@@chrisstropki280 I understand it’s not a good card in the grand scope of things. My point, however, is that with the tools mono white has currently, it’s a great card for the color. Yeah of course it isn’t at face value better than harmonize, but over the course of a game it can draw you way more cards than harmonize can, and the more mana you put into it the better total value you get out of it. Also I mentioned in my previous comment that outside of mono white I agree it is a garbage card so I don’t know why you mentioned harmonize in the first place since that is a green card and of course if you have green in your deck I wouldn’t encourage you to run mentor. My argument was for mono white specifically. Yes, mono white needs better card draw, I don’t think anyone will refute that, but for right now I will argue that it is a fantastic card for mono white.

[@ZoroRodrigoMonster]

You have green so you can play more powerfull stuff, beast whisperer, guardia project oe even something like sylvan library but... Those cards are very expensive in some cases and this is a budget upgrade

[@erikohman2294]

I feel like the Gyre sage would evolve from pretty much every creature. It would be the only one not pumped by your commander, and since you want counters, not poower, that seems like a sweet interaction.

[@papertiger982]

I think they were talking about Tragic Arrogance, not Tragic Slip when comparing cards in the new card segment.

[@QjoWilwolf]

I'm pretty sure that's the case, too

[@chrismarlow9585]

Yeah I'm surprised the editor didn't correct that, only put tragic slip up on screen showing "not in this deck"

[@petersteiman2443]

I think the deck has been upgraded, but I feel like it could have used a bit more card draw.

[@overbeing]

Thraben Doomsayer is such a good card for Kyler. It's a free tap to make a human, and only 17 cents.

[@ChuzzPuff]

I think a good card to add into the deck would be forgotten ancient. Getting 1/1 counters for every time a player cast a spell and then moving all of those counters to the commander would just be so insane! Depending on how many counters you get with forgotten ancient you could just straight up and win pretty quickly

[@Sn00pzor]

You expect ppl to remeber that card doh? *Ba dum tss

[@budd1331]

Kyler is the real commander of this deck. So many human token creation ways. Going wide and tall at the same time is so good.

[@jonathankowatch6947]

Shalai voice of plenty, hamza, increasing devotion, and Maja bretegard protector.

[@vaporeon344]

This deck kinda makes me sad, because like Prosper from AFG, it’s a deck that has an amazing commander (not the main one the other green white one) and then the rest of the value is pretty rough. I recently built Prosper and before the budget upgrades the deck disappointed me a lot, and I feel like this one is the same. Awesome deck upgrade though, can’t wait to see more.

[@buddatello]

I love propser though it does feel absolutely nuts/cheating when you got 20+ treasure sitting out

[@vaporeon344]

@@buddatello I love prosper hes one of my favourite builds now, but the deck he comes with has so many subthemes and is so unfocused. Tokens, goad, sacrifice, its pretty meh all together. Prosper is a commander I spent fifty dollars on a budget up for and the deck runs so much cleaner now.

[@kjellegilhustad2095]

When there is new commander decks they always starts ith spoiling the Commandzone one first and as always they have value way higher then the other decks. Its always like this.

[@Quapper]

I personally thought Prosper was really strong and fun out of the box, upgrading it just made it more so for me. I'm just confused about the rats.

[@vaporeon344]

@@Quapper the token generation is really weird, rats included. I switched every rat and goad card out for treasure and mana generation.

[@Darlnezz]

This deck just feels like Elves, but with Humans.

[@alex1000981]

That's basically what white/green Midnight Hunt was lol Sigarda Champion of Light ftw

[@donovanloreman]

Also, how is Katilda not mentioned? Making all of your humans ramp seems good. Especially if you can spam tokens.

[@maxdrive007]

Surprised call of the coppercoats wasn't used in upgrade.

[@bcs7665]

Please🤙:kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGXQp4uGaJx2qJo

[@moonlight2870]

Ashlen Rose looks like a cute grandma with that hair lol

[@ingolf82]

I prefer the Satin cubes. it fits into my case, a tower does not, it does if I take the dice tray off, which basicly makes it a slightly taller satin cube. druid of purification from Adventures in the forgotten realms is a human, in case you want a reclamation sage effect and have it be a human. but it's quite expensive now, here in Europe it goes for 4.7 € or something like that, but I think I'm putting it in my deck. Kessig Cakebreakers? how dare they! I would cut them too if they break cakes! the average CMC of this precon is massive, before the change: 3.89 :O I understand why you added a land. Edit: if you have a bigger budget than this, I would also remove Somberwald beastmaster. you get a lot of value for those 7 mana, but none of them are human! so its a waste. For that, I would add Slipery bogbonder like someone else suggested. Also, I do agree that mentor of the meek is a nonbo with Kyler, so instead, if you have a slightly higher bugdet, go for Mangara the diplomat instead or if you really want the card to be card draw, just put in a green card draw spell. Mangara does protect you a bit in that sense. or you can put in realmwalker and you can cast human creatures from the top of your library, so that gives you an extra card to cast

[@bcs7665]

Interesting🤙:kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGXQp4uGaJx2qJo

[@joaocisne556]

we are probally going to awit until the two decks from crimson vow to be upgraded before the pre con fight

[@cacs2201]

Possibly this for the extra turns game, but they should do a game knights episode with the 4 unchanged deck as soon as they release, right? Likely with someone who doesn't have the time to build an entire deck

[@joaocisne556]

@@cacs2201 and I meant for both, as the will realise two decks on each set of Innistrad, and the do the videos before the episodies, even the straight out of the box ones

[@sinksurfer]

Thanks for upgrade guide. It’s helping me out immensely!

[@caseywilliams4145]

Ahhhhhh yes alpha status.....memories 😂😂 it plus saber ants equals a really good token generator and attacker

[@Deamonic]

@5:00 there's 2 others. There's a reprint if Sigarda, Heron's Grace, in addition to the new card Kylar, Sigardian Emissary.

[@faerie7dragon]

I bought this deck, looking forward to sleeving again Selesnya, my true love.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

Bought cuz i was like 'imma be buying zombies....so why not human tribal for the flavor as well!

[@chrisgallo2236]

With the counters Synergy as well as some flicker stuff no Cathar’s Crusade?

[@aidennoir597]

Cathar's Crusade would eat up a chunk of the budget that Ashlen may have wanted to use elsewhere.

[@chrisgallo2236]

I guess so but it just works so well. For a land slot Gavony Township could be good too.

[@kandjar]

If you have the money for it OR if you own a copy: you should run "Hardened Scales" in the deck, the deck has enough +1/+1 counter synergy to run this card, especially since you're adding counters one at a time; making Hardened Scales a really mana efficient card.

[@francesca3386]

What's wrong with kids selling cards out of their basement?!

[@Narcomoeba1]

Hydra's Growth is a nice low cost (money wise) card that would go well with this deck.

[@mikejarmulak6555]

Weakest deck all year. But I can't talk shit because wizards is releasing an awesome zombies

[@AquaHeartVGCGaming]

HUH? This is one of the strongest decks of the year. All the Strixhaven decks were almost unplayable without adding cards from the set to it or from past sets. And most of this precon was used in the game knights video and she won with it. It had a good portion of the deck included in her deck she made

[@flyingninjamimejr]

Herald of war was the first mtg card I ever saw when i was first getting into the hobby. Such nostalgia!

[@OmnomnomPancake]

same, I slotted my old, foil Herald of War, from the Innistrad pre-con 'Angelic Might' circa 2012. That card had just been sitting in a binder for a decade and now she can truly shine!

[@joshshin6819]

Heh. I see Ashlyn is attached to a deck and i automatically was waiting for the Eldrazi card. She luvs her Eldrazi 😍

[@penguindrummer252]

The name of kurbis is definitely not inspired by the german word for pumpkin "Kürbis", oh no

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

Definitely not. Like how the Ulvenwald definitely doesn't translate to wolf wood in German. OH no. No connection at all. 😆

[@SpcyNinja]

Late here, but quick question for anyone willing respond… wouldn’t Alpha Status on Kyler be better because he adds +1/+1 on other humans for each counter and adding +2s on him would make him grow and hurt more but also adds that many +1s on other human meaning Heronblade gets the counters (as +1s) anyway so mama on her would still grow? Asking for clarification.

[@privettk]

Biogenic is actually really good I think - put all 3 counters on Kyler and she pumps everyone 3 PLUS whatever that doubles to!

[@honeygon]

Definitely won a match that way! Got Kyler super pumped, put all the counters on him, then doubled it so it ended up being like a 30/30 and everything else got that same ridiculous buff? It's an instant gamechanger for sure.

[@stanielb2005]

Played it near the end after having hardened scales out for a while and wiped the board out in one swing. Biogenic upgrade is definitely worth the mana in the late game.

[@GRIMGORIRONHIDEROCKS]

I think it might be better to view Celetial Judgement as a game ender, rather than a board wipe. Once you have a strong board, wipe your opponants and swing to win. Since it doesn't work when you're on the backfoot, I don't see it as a board wipe.

[@vexmilklatte3904]

Just wanna say, don't sleep on Kurbis in this deck. If you have a large amount of mana to spare with not much else to do in a turn. Kurbis can enter with a large amount of counters on him. He's able to protect your creature for multiple turns, which can be extremely helpful if you're in the middle of building your board state, The worst thing for this deck is to have specific creatures removed in the middle of your ramp up.

[@Risinng72]

In my experience, Kyler is a LOT weaker in this Deck as the Commander. Leinore may seem weaker at first, but thats not true. Kyler has a big fat target on him as soon as he hits the battlefield. And also, and at the same time you have to pump him with more counters, so these counters dont go to other creatures. That means just one removal spell will fuck up your whole boardstate. All of your power gone. Leinore may just be a utility piece, but she generally doesnt get targetet and just gives you value all game. And the value is more spread out and not just on one creature. Also she gives you really good and reliable card draw which is really needed in this Deck. With Kyler you run out of steam pretty fast.

[@morrius0757]

Kyler ultimately is a stronger Commander, just not for the pre-con. He needs to be completely built around, and the pre-con heavily favors Leinore's style of gameplay, not Kyler's. I run no less than 10 protection spells in my Kyler deck, he really needs it.

[@jepreyguintu9389]

Asides from hardened scales and the ozolith, l also wanna recommend gavony township for utility land on the deck

[@danestudios405]

Love the additions, but I have to say Dearly Departed is a monster in human decks. I get the reasoning behind it, and the logic you give checks out, but I would 100% leave it in.

[@chevin0]

omg Ashlen's hair is awesome! totally fits the hyperactive happy energy :)

[@thevp_ssb.]

Leinore is honestly rather underwhelming. Jeez.

[@stanielb2005]

She is really good in the 99 with Kyler at the helm. I dump her counters onto Kyler when I get the two together and Kyler in turn reinforces Leinore. They synergize really well.

[@Hatneas]

Did Jimmy just call Sigarda mommy

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

Yessir

[@RedCometNurse]

Cathar's Crusade and Felidar Retreat (even though it makes kitties not humans) would be natural fits to this deck as well, especially with Kyler.

[@bcs7665]

Interesting🤙:kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6PUYnZvn9aVndE

[@HomeCookinMTG]

I love cathar’s crusade but if you’re playing paper magic it is obnoxious to keep track of lol

[@kandjar]

Celestial Judgement is really not a good card; BUT if you run it, you can always play politics saying: "I think it's time to wipe the board; Ashlen: if you had a creature you would like to keep which one would you keep? What about you Jimmy?" -> You let people think you have "Tragic Arrogance" They're most likely gonna pick their biggest creature that you couldn't get rid of it to begin with and then you make a deal "OK, if I don't destroy the creature you chose, just don't swing at me with them" Done! :D

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

That's a good trick, might have to steal that

[@deanofcool]

Probably included in the deck, but surprised Maja wasn’t mentioned, would seem very strong in this deck.

[@sephapplewhite8477]

I genuinely didn't recognize Ashlen with that hair, holy cow, what a change! Very cool though, I love it

[@happymushroom9729]

When I first saw this I just thought "please do human tribal"

[@Oswen120]

The Ozolith and Hardened Scales would be good in this deck

[@k9commander]

Budget.

[@tttyyy949]

@@k9commander considering the cards included in zombie precon i cannot justify lack od hardened scales in this one.

[@k9commander]

@@tttyyy949 Either I misunderstood what Troy said or you misunderstood what Troy said. This is a video for upgrading the precon within a $30 budget. I took Troy's message as 'those two cards would be great upgrades for the deck'. A sentiment that I agree with. Unfortunately, those two cards alone would make up the entire budget of this video. There would be no money for the other 8 cards. Hence my reply of "budget".

[@tttyyy949]

@@k9commander you didnt misunderstand and i also didnt misunderstand. I went a little offtopic saying that seeing quality of reprints in zombie deck i would expect card like hardened scales reprinted so we wouldnt have to talk about it being over the budget.

[@Oswen120]

@@k9commander I understand this is a budget build. I am saying that those two cards would be good in the deck considering that you can save the +1/+1 counters as well as increase the amount of +1/+1 counters. This definitely feels like a bolster deck

[@loserdogygo]

enduring scalelord creates an infinite combo with a number of different 1 of cards that allow it to become an infinitely big flyer. Your gonna want to leave it in. Wildwood scourge for example. Cast them and you now have an infinitely large scalelord and Scourge. And scalelord is played first so surprise you have an infinitely big flyer that can attack that turn.

[@dannyphantom01]

ghost rares yugiohhhhh

[@divotslice]

Will you be doing a video for Undead unleashed? 🧟‍♀️ 🧟‍♂️ 🧟

[@Flip4Crypt]

100% there is a Cleric and a fighter sitting right there

[@kismet8010]

can we get a list in the description at least? or a link to upgrades? something???

[@futurfry]

With Kyler, I think you need better token generators. I would also keep the wall that draws cards since you didn't add other card draw

[@Antare5]

I think Jimmy wants to make Sigarda the commander

[@grampaw5605]

I wouldn't cut Biogenic Upgrade. Put the three +1/+1 counters on Kylar and then double ALL the counters on Kylar seems like a huge buff to the human tribe that comes out of nowhere to me. I'd add Hardened Scales to the mix for a little more spice...

[@stanielb2005]

Drawing those two cards is almost instant win.

[@marcusclayton1918]

I feel like if you run Kyler as commander you should try to fit in increasing devotion create 5 human tokens and then flashback create 10 human tokens so kyler would get 5 counters to possibly 15 off this one card especially if you are ramping right

[@travischristiansen3896]

Am I crazy for thinking Call The Coppercoats was a huge missed opportunity here?

[@tactiCole_]

For anybody picking up this deck, Leinore is a ton of fun at the helm. I thought Coven was a bit under-tuned during spoiler season, but with Leinore it is pretty easy to trigger (especially in these colors) and it is actually pretty fun if you like the sequencing aspect of magic. I could see Kyler having a higher ceiling as Commander but I personally find the coven/counters mechanic a lot more fun than Kyler's style of flooding. Just make sure you cut Bestial Menace, it is a trap, even in a coven deck lol

[@senorsmelly1391]

I was surprised too! I swapped Leinore in just to play a game with her (mind you I took out some other coven cards because I thought coven would be easy to get regardless) and man the card draw and counters were no joke. She was a fly on the wall and I got a card almost every turn. I was surprised with the value. I liked it a lot.

[@tactiCole_]

@@senorsmelly1391 I had a similar experience. She is so unassuming at 0 or 1 power, so I played with her on board most of the game. Champion of Lambholt puts in work with Leinore pumping every turn too. Coven is a lot of fun

[@WikkinPlayList]

10:30 -- $73 reprint value. Today (10/21/24) the cards for this whole deck come out to $36. If you sum only the cards worth $1 or more (there are 9), it's $13.69, and only Herald of War comes in above $1.50. It's worth $3.73.

[@WikkinPlayList]

Bastion Protector was $9.50, now $0.50. Somberwald Sage was $5,.99, now $1.50. Herald of War was $5.00, now $3.73. Mikaeus, the Lunarch was $4.50, now $0.40. Swords to Plowshares was $3.70, now $1.00. Eternal Witness was $3.70, now $1.05. Canopy Vista was $2.50, now $0.28. Temple of Plenty was $2.50, now $0.25. Talisman of Unity was $2.30, now $0.43. Champion of Lambholt was $2.00, now $0.49. Lifecrafter's Bestiary was $2.00, now $0.99. Good cards, not sad to see them come down but the value contained within this precon has come way down.

[@WikkinPlayList]

35:30 Arkoma's Will, on the other hand, has gone from $$6.99 to $19.24, lol.

[@zacharyspielman5524]

Ashlen I applaud your courage to try a new hairstyle. But I'm not a fan....yet. maybe it's just the purple.... you're still awesome!

[@kerithwooldridge]

I feel like I haven’t seen anyone mention this card, but Opal Palace seems like the perfect land to have for Kyler.

[@talamran7499]

i think mentor of the meek won't do anything because kyler will make the tokens enter with too much power, but at least shamanic revelation could take advantage of it and also take less mana in total (and cannot be killed by a removal or board wipe)

[@worldmedic3187]

I would have definitely chosen Lenore, she looks more fun with complicated board states. Green is usually too simplistic to me and the other guy is just that.

[@jordonpohl7393]

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[@jasonk2]

I think grand abolisher would be great for the deck, I hate being messed with during my turn Also katilda and the viper lady from the new sets would be auto includes for me

[@MrFox-xr9cc]

Celestial Judgement Seems a bit situational, especially for that cmc... I like the other cards though :)

[@kosche99]

lookin good, ash!

[@danmorgan7775]

Kyler is very interesting because the card is good for both voltron and go wide strategies simultaneously.

[@morrius0757]

Wow these are really bad picks though

[@belowaverage7539]

This has a bunch of cards that i can use in my forces of the imperium deck.

[@jstrobel3620]

I think this deck and Leinore are sneaky good. I think people will start seeing how strong it can be once they play it a bit more.

[@DisregardedHappiness]

leinore just draws a card once a turn conditionally. I think you mean coven will trigger more than one might think? You can run any strong selesnya shell regardless of this commander

[@stanielb2005]

I've been playing it for a while and it's a sleeper after some upgrades. The only two outcomes I've had with it are obliterating other people late game or getting obliterated early game. Kyler only needs three or four turns to become almost unstoppable without a board wipe, and even those are hit or miss with hexproof from Sigarda and/or indestructible from Bastion Protector.

[@allisonchristie2754]

I think cutting Biogenic Upgrade with Kyler at the helm is a mistake. You can play it the turn after playing Kyler, put all three counters on him and then double them, giving your entire board +6/+6 at worst. Makes it very worth the 6 mana cost.

[@morrius0757]

Yeah, I second this. It makes for one hell of an overrun effect.

[@RayearthIX]

I really like a number of the cards in this deck to put into and completely change up and modify my existing Sigarda human tribal edh deck, but the bulk of this deck really is underwhelming... a lot of the cards are very meh.

[@riccardofusari4952]

For Human tribal commandere do you think Is Better jirina or Kyler?

[@PirateMaster45]

Got the deck yesterday, but I got new Sigarda along with it and made her the commander. So far its pretty good with Sigarda, Champion of Light at the helm. Ordered some cards online for the deck, and looking forward to upgrading it! Deck is pretty fun!

[@landonc6571]

what about cathar's crusade

[@draconicarttheartofblades3023]

I gave that deck a huge makeover and built it around Kyler. The biggest problem was definitely the card draw, but i think it can be fixed if you give it some thought

[@morrius0757]

I've never had any issues triggering her draw ability, it works like 95 percent of the time she's on the board. Try her in a counters deck not reliant on humans, if you start looking at her as a human tribal card and more of just a good counters commander, she becomes a lot more stronger.

[@callumdavison4788]

Bit disappointed this just turned into a human tribal focus instead of a focus on the new coven mechanic

[@jacobdavis9424]

I'm going to focus on the coven aspect. You can too! We just gotta go against the grain a bit.

[@callumdavison4788]

@@jacobdavis9424 oh definitely human tribal is fun but I want to try out coven

[@donovanloreman]

Lack of Cathar's Crusade hurts.

[@skeletor957]

You never heard of alpha status…. I was playing that in tribal elves when it came out… now I feel old

[@jonkirby1880]

Wyrm's Crossing Patrol is a 1/1 human with myriad, so 2 humans will enter each turn, and both will trigger death's embrace on leaving. Great cheap creature that stays good lategame

[@BigWoobiez]

My buddy plays this precon, and it is absolutely insufferable. In 3 turns he has 4 creatures and how everything he has is at least a 5/5. It feels like cheating and no one in our 6 person play group has ever been able to beat this deck in any game whatsoever

[@coltoncollects290]

Sixth! Nice Video! 👍

[@minine6508]

i still just dont understand why you're adding flicker effects. its a plus one counter deck, why would I want to lose all of my counters???

[@kevinfarner6052]

What if I just want to dump a bunch of animals on the board and totally ignore the human thing, I'm a fan of the token cards lol

[@pedrogoncalo7942]

Isn't mentor of the meek a nonbo with Kyler's pump effect? I'm building this deck, and I checked the rullings for mentor and it says the player has to add buffs before checking for mentor's trigger: "Apply power bonuses from counters the creature enters the battlefield with and continuous effects such as that of Valiant Knight before checking to see if Mentor of the Meek’s ability will triggers" Am I missing something?

[@timple89]

I don't understand how mentor of the meek is in this deck this upgrade. Having Kyler as Commander you will never get creatures entering the battlefield with power 2 or less 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽

[@BADASS668]

The 1/1s and teleportation circle that’s probably why

[@timple89]

@@BADASS668 Yeah, but if you have your commander outside those 1/1 will never enter the battlefield as 1/1 but as a something much more bigger, and then the mentor will never trigger.

[@morrius0757]

@@BADASS668 Those 1/1s don't enter the battlefield as 1/1s or 2/2s if Kyler has 2 or more counters on him.

[@kylewilson1886]

Wouldn't a flicker card be bad in a counter deck since it drops all the counters off whatever you flicker?

[@kylewilson1886]

@Temur Timmy true, but a lot of the cards in this deck add counters to any and all humans on your board. I guess you just have to be selective about who you add counters to so your flicker doesn't reset large +1 counter amounts

[@jackmurray475]

No Maja? Landfall for a human token on a lord seems good

[@Vpicks]

Ashlyn looks like my lesbian science teacher 🤣

[@pauldacon828]

Anytime anyone does anything anywhere you have to immediately mock them, show how stupid it is, and then show how awesome you are instead. And it's definitely not because you're an insecure and egotistical narcissist.

[@manhattanblockade8544]

I think some of the cards you pulled out were there cause Coven

[@titanium0002]

is it just me or does leinore look like ladee danger

[@faperito2389]

Ladee is a cutie, so not totally wrong.