Rarran and Crim talk Project K | CovertGoPodcast

[@blakedimas1320]

This lineup has huge potential

[@MrocnyZbik]

"Welcom to the CovertGoPodcast. I'm CGB, and I'm here with the boys"

[@zombie_dinosaur96]

Plot twist theyre in japan lol

[@The_Witch_Lab]

​@@zombie_dinosaur96Gona assume this is a trash taste reference

[@AlleonoriCat]

"I'm your host for today" and they are cooking

[@StanNotSoSaint]

The Mesa Falcon boys

[@PyckledNyk]

We need Cimo to help make this Boyier

[@objakobe]

Would love to see a Rarran/Crim vs CGB/Cimo two headed giant game

[@kyounokaien]

that followed by an edison/goat era tag duel would be so cool.

[@ps-zs3wt]

I second this

[@EmbracedDestiny]

It can also be free for all, it would be interesting to see alliances and betrayals between them too :P

[@mighty_javor4678]

Yes

[@charliewright2667]

Or a battle city finals free for all!!!

[@FSUMercerian]

Really hope this is the baseline crew going forward. Love the three of you and the different perspectives and experiences you bring from gaming.

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

How did they spend so much time speculating about how Riot would make a card game, and only mention Runeterra like twice?

[@theelectricant98]

Because I think they are concerned with the tabletop element of this as an mtg competitor at game stores

[@EmbracedDestiny]

There’s a tabletop simulator mod for this game they were given all the rules from riot, and snuuy did a video on it today, I’d love to see you guys try it out and give your opinion on the game!

[@Romaviza]

Magic, Hearthstone, League of Legends, Arcane and Anime: all being mentioned in a single video. That alongside the vibes I got from you guys made this video SO freaking enjoyable to watch/listen to. Great stuff

[@kotaro77]

Forgot the bazaar

[@TheFenixDown206]

CGB!!! WE NEED MORE OF THIS TRIO!!!

Totally

[@theelectricant98]

Vouch

[@SubzeroBlack68]

Rarran brings up an interesting point about the Alt skins. For example: Imagine Base Jinx Deck - Star Guardian Jinx Deck -Arcade Jinx Deck -Odyssey Jinx Deck -Firecracker Jinx Deck -Project: Jinx Deck etc. You can sell complete skin lines for entire decks. Identical cards but with alt skins.

[@charcharmunr]

Runeterra DID sell skins for Champion cards, so there's precedent.

[@zyjinn8596]

Another KZbin WillowTCG made a discord immediately after the announcement and Dave Guskin ended up joining and dropping the full rules PDF for Project K, so we now know the mechanics of it. And after playing with proxies, the game is pretty fun and unique ngl

[@phoenix1985gr]

He also uploaded the cards in tabletop simulator, so you can check and play the game there

[@SPOILERFREEBEBBO-v8u]

Y’all have fantastic chemistry as a trio! Hope this can somehow become a regular thing, I’d listen each week (or however often!)

[@atypewriter]

The failure of Runeterra to secure a real foothold is my main concern for a successful CCG that doesn't just prey on nostalgia.

[@EmbracedDestiny]

I mean I’m not sure runeterra was a failure other than the fact it didn’t make money, which was due to its f2p nature. Physical cards are never free to play, so as long as there are players the game will be supported. But yes hopefully the game is successful and doesn’t just prey on nostalgia. But I think riot games as a whole has been known to be successful with a lot of their games and support them. The only thing runeterra did wrong was be to free friendly to its community

[@atypewriter]

@@EmbracedDestiny MTGA is F2P. Hearthstone is F2P. We have examples of F2P TCGs that make money, which was what Riot was hoping to capitalize on when they made Runeterra in the first place. They failed to do so and had to spin down the team. League is F2P, Valorant is F2P, Riot has experience printing billions from F2P games. But that was via skins, which you can't really do for a CCG.

[@altrivotzck6565]

@@atypewriter The problem with Runeterra was that it was too easy to get what you want without paying anything. Sure, the other games you listed also fall into the same technical category of "free to play", but not to the same extent as Runeterra. The game, itself, was a perfectly fine tcg. People liked playing it. Riot just gave up on it because they weren't making money. They released the roguelike mode, and people played the shit out of that, but that mode was _actually_ free, which just made the money-making problem worse. For a physical tcg, there is no worry about players being able to do everything without spending anything, which is what happened to Runeterra. If people want to play the game, they're gonna have to cough up some dough.

[@EmbracedDestiny]

@ I’ve played hearthstone, and you can play for free but you can’t get all the cards easily it’s way too long of a grind which encourages spending money, LoR was too free to play friendly, you could get free cards every week I played casually and owned every card and when a new set would come out I’d just unlock all the cards with my extra crystals. I’m not saying things can’t be successful and a free to play game. But LoR was a great game that gave no reason to ever spend money. It’s by far one of the best card games I’ve ever played but I don’t think I ever spent a penny on the game, so I was literally part of the problem.

[@EmbracedDestiny]

@@altrivotzck6565 yes exactly game was great, but it was too F2P, something I’d never think would be a bad thing, but it killed the game because when there is no reason to spend money, no one does. And I don’t fault a company for killing a game that actively loses them money year after year. I’ve seen some people play testing the game on tabletop simulator and it’s very different from LoR (which I knew it would be) not sure if I like it or not yet. But I’m hopeful

[@Daveest]

Snnuy would a good content creator to talk to regarding Project K. Would love to see a colab with him.

[@alexanderfortier5488]

Really enjoyed this but one nice addition might be to start adding timestamps for different subjects in the pod. Very useful.

[@salamanteri_]

It's actually really weird but enjoyable seeing Crim and Rarran in a podcast. I've been watching these guys' content for years and years.

[@CssHDmonster]

20:35 BALD CANADIAN MENTION, GOOD PODCAST

[@AndrewS-vu4ji]

FAVORITE STREAMER'S FAVORITE STREAMER MENTION

[@benjamingerry1752]

This cast right here is something I would listen to every week. Hope you get enough views so its worth it to keep doing the podcasts.

[@WillowCCG]

Happy to see my favorite MTG creator talking about Project K :)

[@OriginalVoiceBox]

Covert channeling his inner Ludwig in the intro.

[@Lesiu94]

1:10:50 I know you're not Pokémon players, but we're in the middle of the season, and at the moment, we have 213,494 players with championship points. This doesn't even include Japan. Each month, there are 1.5k player tournaments in Europe, around 2k in the USA/Canada, and smaller events (300-600 players) in Oceania and LATAM. For the EUIC in London, there were 4.5k tickets available for the Master Division, and they sold out in about 3 minutes. A lot of people didn't manage to get a ticket. If this is what you call a "non-existent player base," I'm really curious what numbers YGO, OP, or MTG tournaments achieve.

[@Sinzari]

That's shocking because the game really does feel non existent in the tcg community to me. I think the player base of Pokemon TCG is probably a different group of people than the player base of all the other TCGs which a lot of them have overlap in.

[@xDanKaix]

We’re the Mesa Falcons and they’re the boys, both intros are good

[@mtgayrek]

Okay, okay... If this is going to be a regular podcast, can I please have it on my usual podcast uhh thing lol In the same way, I want the podcast with CGB and Crim to also be on the podcast thing I use lol

[@mtgayrek]

I got REAL distracted halfway through my own

[@HotshotMC]

Not sure if they know by now, but the official rules from the TFT event have been posted. And a Project K community server has gathered all the cards from the event and made a simulator in Tabletop Simulator. So people are out playing the game with all the rules and cards from the TFT event.

[@SonofSugiono]

Now this is my fav MTG podcast!!

[@MerlinSchmid]

Love seeing the boys having fun together!

[@Thomazbr]

I'l say that as a someone who does follow the One Piece TCG when the first preview of the league game came out and I saw the thumbnail I 100% thought it was like new spoilers for One Piece cards.

[@ATLUTDFan]

All 3 of you should make this a weekly podcast.

[@anandshatdal3140]

We need more of this.

[@Joseph125]

BALATRO MENTIONED WE DYING TO THE PLANT WITH THIS ONE

[@BurnOneSVE]

Really enjoying these little podcast! Please keep them up!

[@SpliffMuffiny]

Coming to you in 2028 The 5Head Olympics!

[@jochem777]

From now on they'll be known as the CardGamingBoys!

[@trysephiroth007]

Balatro might not have an ip, but every know poker cards. Its probably more well known than any ip.

[@nexviper]

I watched some of Reynad's streams before The Bazaar went into closed beta and mechanically it seems pretty interesting but the art style just does absolutely nothing for me at all which stopped me putting money towards giving it a try when that option opened up. Certainly still tempted to give it a go once it enters open test to see if the mechanics are enough to make me look past the art style.

[@NV_3]

Would LOVE to see CGB play Bazaar!!

[@burningpapersun1]

You guys talk about how cool cards look but didn't show them.

[@ShiroHeroGyro-k7m]

25:13 to hear him described as "squidward guy" is WILD

[@Loiko579]

VALORANT being the more enjoyable CS is the hardest cope in this episode

[@siri7005]

I think it's dangerous to bring Crim and Rarran on at the same time because I like them more together than I like CGB 👀

[@burningpapersun1]

I imagine them as orks from 40k, calling everyone boys!

[@whatdothlife4660]

19:53 Slay the Spire fits this criteria.

[@bencheevers6693]

"Me and the boys are so back"

[@nickjoseph77]

57:54 love that we get cat cam even in the podcast. ❤

[@BlueYYu]

Rarran looks like a villain with that outfit.

[@Ultr4l0f]

We would realy like to see the cards that you are showing each other. Like... how does a fancy One Piece mana thingy that costs 300$ look?

[@evilmonkey2184]

I thought this was an announcement that the three of you had started a podcast together, and i was so down. I would immediately be there just to listen to "the boys"

[@Chris_seh]

Now this is GAMING

[@martinprince8253]

Now this is TALKING

[@ratmforthewin]

About 34:10 : The are already card games that rival MtG in Mechanics, depth and playability. They're called "A Game of Thrones LCG: 2nd edition" and "The Spoils". Nowhere near as successful, but that wasn't the point

[@bmxfreak1991]

PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE, YOU GUYS ARE PURE GOLD!!!! 🥇🥇🥇

[@JoaoCruz-zx4ic]

Love this podcast! Suggestion: show us pictures of stuff you are talking, like the comparison of the card, for example! Cheers💜

[@ivogclan7033]

We need a podcast with these 3

[@Xamothth]

As a Legends of Runeterra (heartbroken) fan, I am shocked you guys didn't mention the game more... Riot did make a card game, it was beautiful and it was terribly managed into the ground... (Added it to the LoL client after it died... really)

[@markos50100]

There is a channel named willow that has created a tabletop simulator of the project k cards and confirmed the rules of the card game to sample the game.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I really can't understand the apeal of auto battlers... I agree that building the deck is even more fun then actually playing the deck... But what's the point in building a deck you're not going to play with. Letting the thing pilot itself seems like a huge problem for me, specially because this auto battlers usually have a lot of RNG... If there was a way for an auto battler to NOT have RNG when the deck plays itself, then I might enjoy it.

[@coruscanta]

Depends on the kind of auto battler there right? Plenty don’t even involve a deck. But I definitely feel the rng frustration!

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@coruscanta Yeah, I was talking about a auto battler for Magic. Based on my experience with Hearthstone. But auto batler games that don't use a "deck", also suffer from RNG as far as I know.

[@coruscanta]

@ oh sure. As far as I’ve seen, the rng is where most of the (re)playability comes from in a lot of auto-battlers. Which is not necessarily a negative, but obv will affect personal taste.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@coruscanta Yeah, its a matter of personal taste. I believe the RNG should happen BEFORE the decision making. You are presented with some random cards, itens, paths pra whatever, and you pick among then. But after that, the result of your pick should not be also random...

[@TehHellequin]

1:01:26 I cannot describe how much my heart told me he was going to say 'rope and a stool'

[@metalmusicrocks11234]

We need more The Boyz content! This lineup is amazing.

[@Dreadnote-pf7of]

It is wild that I currently at 53 minutes and there are still ZERO mention of LoR and how Riot killed it. Maybe this would change at the end of the video, but idea that "are Riot done card game before? No?" feel like... IDK, like John Riot directly told this guys to not even mention THE League card game, K even reuse most of its art for default versions (so now they feel even more dodgy. Yeah, this is Riot art and not something very new, for example HS used A LOT of WoW tcg art, especially at launch. But still... So. Counting LoR... I even don't know if it is good that Riot made it, because LoR was a fun game (and, well, PvE is still good), but on other - this example show very, well, not FeelsGoodMan moments of Riot

[@iinsomniaaaaa]

I love this trio so much

[@PsychoticSashimiS]

I hope the League game (if it used lanes) plays similar to Weiss Schwarz or Vanguard lanes 🔥

[@krystianstawiarz5407]

Please make it work. Like a weekly episode would be sooo good. I love this already

[@LicensedTaddus]

Can these please go up on spotify so I can listen to them with audio only? 🙏🏻

[@GetMoneyMyrick]

Rarran is basically the first person ever to play card games and also play league 😂 he's going to steam roll everyone obviously

[@Kasaaz]

With Four Players, each player is a lane. To either side of you and straight across. I imagine.

[@s0uldr4ke]

So let‘s talk the Card Game Avengers: We have Captain Heartstone / Captain Canada aka Rarran We have Weasel Widow aka Voxy Romanova These are the easy ones, however Cimo, CGB, Farfa & Crim that‘s where it gets tricky and I am interested in opinions. For me CGB is either the Iron Man or Dr. Strange of the team. So basically Dr. Blue Crim most definitely is Starlord aka MillLord since we saw him in the Commander gane. Otherwise we got our Loki. Cimo & Farfa… that’s beyond me so far.

[@Kasaaz]

Legends of Runeterra cost more to run than it made. Which is very hard to do with a card game. It was very generous but not interesting enough...

[@mewvsmewtwox]

The boyz podcast, we need more please

[@moralnexus]

Hoping there's an Arjuna sighting in a future ep

[@Geodude_476]

Dis one for da BOIS!

[@ivannintendo]

LoL is totally in the nostalgia zone, I used to play it in middle school. But when I look back I think "Thank god I quit LoL"

[@TMidander]

HELL YEAH THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN

[@Bimpy1149]

if yall like Auto battlers, Mechabellum is AMAZING!

[@seanaugust]

I think a competitive Riot tcg might work similar to how Pokemon does it. Instead of its own event, they have several Riot game tournaments going at once.

[@AzyxA]

In addition to how well the game plays it has a very good esthetic and looks great overall. 🎉

[@Chiavica]

Holy busch, NL drop in a CGB video is crazy

[@Urugosh]

I think a Magic autobattler would have to be some sort of Momir Vig

[@mikeparradise9333]

Would be great to be shown what you guys are looking at when mentioning visual stuff, i cant find the one peice mana system thing at all

[@Spooooky_Mulder]

I blame Rarran for getting me hooked on the bazaar

[@ReallyBadWizard]

Love the show, but would like to see on screen what you guys are talking about when it comes to stuff like the league of legends card game and the artwork!

[@DJMack64]

LudwigGoBlue?

[@confusedbystander2898]

we're bazaar guys, of course we pivot!

[@theelectricant98]

This is such a fun crew!!

[@ardentdino7299]

The cards look more like stickers then actual cards

[@captainobvious9566]

Best guests for a podcast ever

[@LuckyExplosive]

I love the "boys"! 😂

[@DecayedPony]

Imagine if they did what wow did and had an Ahri skin obtainable only from the physical TCG. that thing would sell for $$$ not to give them any ideas.

[@Vykk_Draygo]

MTG: Battlegrounds was already pretty close to a Magic autobattler.

[@jdgarrison9913]

"We got a nerd" says the man who has a KZbin channel devoted to Magic the Gathering. xD

[@A3sth3tik]

to be fair Rarran WAS coached by ther creator of Bizaar

[@andrewdeoliveira69]

YOO, Crim with the sick ass Drain shirt. Respect

[@NaldoNidoking]

Northernlion mentioned, Egg Carton stays winning

[@drguthrie7621]

I'm excited for this i hope its good i hope they come up with a halway decent name for it lol

[@hugomendoza5665]

Honestly don't get the appeal to the bazaar whatsoever. But I'm happy it's such a breath of fresh air and a lot of fun for people.

[@dylanratcliffe8763]

Crim with the DRAIN shirt 🙌🏼

[@KingofClubs012]

Legends of Runeterra had way more going for it and still ended up where it is. IDK how to get hyped about what we've seen so far knowing Riot's history here.

[@Soumein]

For me, the single player mode kept me from even trying the PvP portion.

[@ericbasnight2068]

Path of Champions killed the game. They focused on the wrong people. PvP is what brought people in. If they took the Hearthstone route and had us pay for packs to get cards, it would make the money they needed. The cosmetics are cool, but it's not what would make the money. This is a slap in the face to those of us that felt abandoned by Riot when they focused on PoC. This game... I think it's trash. I hope I'm wrong, but this is trash.

[@electricVGC]

the Artifact part is so damn true, Snap made it a bit better but the sort of game you get from doing an Artifact and possibly from doing a League of Legends card game really does not work great for a two+ player simultaneous game, because the time really drags. artifact had a lot of interesting parts and concepts which probably could have made for a great like roguelike or something, but it really needed to be a single-player experience you could put down and come back to - I hope Riot Games learns from their mistakes also Brian Kibler consulted in making Hearthstone which we all know was and is a bad game that I play too much of therefore game going to be bad?

[@brewslidepark]

No it's 99% pretty girls that enjoy this card gamer podcast with me

[@יעקבהס-ת6ר]

What do you think about the bans?

[@STEPHENDANERD]

I can understand the appeal of autobattlers, because they boil down to "Gambling with extra steps." and thus feeds off that parasitic gambling addiction people are so susceptible to. The only "skill" involved is being able to read and comprehend basic synergies, so a rock bottom skill ceiling while everything else is just dice rolls of what did you get. A simple example, I tried HS battlegrounds for the first time and got a 12K/12K creature, it was dumb, large, flashy numbers. It took no skill and had zero satisfaction as I smacked the last player for 30, the same 30 in minutes of my time it wasted. And the bazaar is exactly the same just with a PVE "endorphin trick" to make you think you're doing better than you actually are and get it's gambling fallacy hooks in. "Future of card games" sadly, likely true as players can't wake up to the "Mindless consumer" they're being made into and games that actually require skill are dying off.

[@gryllodea]

Well I know what I'm doing for the next 75 minutes

[@cowman22ish]

I would play the hell out of a Miss Fortune card haha