Covid-19 Is A Rehab Intervention: Charles Eisenstein | Rich Roll Podcast

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Charles Eisenstein is a speaker, writer, and counter-culture intellectual focusing on themes of human cultural evolution, economics and consciousness. A graduate of Yale with degrees in mathematics & philosophy. Charles is the author of several books and you can find his essays, videos, courses and podcasts at charleseisenstein.org.
Today Charles shares his thoughts with Rich Roll on the coronavirus pandemic and the implications for recreating a new society.
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[@annagokieli1497]

Charles has been my absolute favorite thinker, role model, inspiration for over 10 years now!!!! I highly highly recommend going to his site and reading chapters of his books that are offered for FREE and his essays! You will be BLOWN AWAY by his depth!!!!

[@dinomiles7999]

Ann Gokieli really

[@jylyhughes5085]

Charles is such a treasure ..... a gift to Sentient Earth and all sentient beings.

[@anthonyfox477]

One of the best RR podcasts and discussions in general I've heard in a long time. I strongly resonate with the idea Rich coins "quantum agency" (Charles references a concept which I didn't catch but will go back to capture). I think we all know that feeling of doing good in the world and seeing others do good almost by a cosmic twist. It's really hard to articulate, but it's as if we are able to bring things into broader awareness and reality simply by believing and acting "as if." Perhaps we as a global society have been unable to shift paradigms precisely because the individual (each of us) hasn't precipitated the possibility in our own experience of reality. Again, so hard to put into words what I'm thinking...

[@masonart4950]

'Corona is showing the old story in its most extreme version.' Beautifully said!

[@arturmusakhanyan4982]

Hello Mr. Reach thank you so much for all the hard work!!we would all be so delighted if you could be so kind and invite Robert Kennedy Junior one of these days.. thank you

[@goumish3000]

Starts at 11:00

[@bshef3424]

I'm goin with 12:30 ...... after Rich's lil intro.....

[@ottocubed9520]

Absolutely outstanding gentlemen. I recently discovered Charles Eisenstein, I'm taken by his remarkable views and his philosophy, it resonates deeply. Having listened to this podcast, it leaves me with a great sense of tomorrow, of possiblity. A true Sophist! SALAAM ALAIKUM

[@dinomiles7999]

YA your right , I totally agree. That was back when people had BALLS !

[@teresaiche4722]

Ok so admittedly I am only 18 minutes into the conversation but honestly, although I respect and like both of these guy’s work, I cannot believe how I’m hearing you both talk of ‘not being allowed’ really!! There can be no one controlling another unless by agreement and I’m not speaking here of aggressively fighting them off. I’m speaking to the knowing of being born sovereign to this life, to being the one that knows best for me, to trusting the body I’ve been given, to trusting there is no way I could be a so-called carrier! To trusting the life force flowing through me and that time when I depart this form. 💜

[@craiggraham2294]

Rich thanks again for being so relevant with the guests you invite on your podcast. As always it was very timely. Thanks Rich

[@garycox3841]

I’m finding this conversation so easy to resonate with, and encouraging 🙏❤️

[@RidiculouslyHuman]

Fantastic conversation gents. Thank you 😊 🙌🏼

[@stvbrsn]

I’ve been telling people for two weeks now that if you’re wearing a mask, you’re refusing your upgrade. People look at me like I have two heads, of course. But having Asperger’s, I’m pretty used to it. People have been looking at me like I have two heads for 52 years.

[@Jen.K]

"Spiritual" people talk about being an eternal spirit having a human experience, which seems to be a somewhat helpful and positive story to be telling ourselves. When I was a child and young adult I saw myself as a separate individual, because that's the way my culture defined me. I ''felt' like a separate individual, that was my experience of life. Then I discovered a bunch of new age ideas and decided I was an eternal soul or spirit temporarily inhabiting this body, but I was still a separate, individual soul or spirit, seeking externally to grow, evolve expand. Then suddenly one day the external seeking dropped away, I had the shocking realization that this moment, right here is all there ever is, and that 'I' don't really even exist. From that moment, my culturally constructed ego started to disintegrate. Everything I knew to be true about myself and life and the world started crumbling, until there was nothing except a moment by moment flow of life around this body and through this body. It took several years for this process to complete and then several more years to integrate and learn how to live in this new way. What I'm saying is that adopting a new set of beliefs or cognitively broadening or changing your perspective, while it may be an improvement, it's not enough. Its more about letting go of all beliefs, all stories and all certainty about everything. An actual evolutionary transformation, beyond our control takes place. In fact, all illusion of control falls away and we see there never was any control in the first place and that everything we ever thought or believed was a story, just one possibility among many. There is no control, no separation and no individual self, there never was. The culturally programmed illusions fall away, and we are left with the truth. It's not an easy transition, there can be a lot of fear. What we are is not a thing, but part of an interconnected process which operates through our individual body/brain/mind system. We are life, we are not living a life. We don't have a life, we are the very experience of life itself. Cognitively understanding this is one thing, but the experience of it is another thing entirely. It's just not possible for a culturally conditioned human to embrace this way of living fully until all the cultural conditioning has fallen away, leaving nothing but the bare truth of reality. As a species, humans are still evolving, until more people have achieved this leap in evolution, we will remain a species in chaos, at risk of our own extinction.

[@paullemay3218]

Another awesome podcast. Thank you both for sharing. God Bless. 🙏❤️

[@dinomiles7999]

Paul LeMay speak up

[@creatingmomentum777]

Love Charles' work! Thank you both for sharing this! Many blessings ;)

[@dinomiles7999]

Isabel talk is cheap. It what we do.

[@violinjive1]

May there be light where it is dark, calm where there is chaos and my our hearts brim with love, Be Well. May there be ENOUGH.

[@dinomiles7999]

Mary O'Brien and

[@howienordstrom1290]

Life changing gifts: Rich, Charles, this conversation. Thank you. ❤️

[@johnnywlittle]

That was one of the best “Charles Interviews” I’ve heard. Fantastic job gentlemen. Words can’t describe the way conversations like this enriches my heart and soul as well as challenges my mind. This was more than a “feel good” discussion and one that has provoked many emotions and states of mind. All good btw....and what’s needed during these times of change.

[@m1r333]

wow, absolutely incredible! thanks rich and charles!

[@gatherfeather3122]

Thank you both for this! Now let's all make it happen! What about an economy where everyone just takes what he needs and gives away all the surplus we have? Sounds beautifull? Then let us do just that!

[@gatherfeather3122]

You are missing the point, I'm sorry. This is not about anyone else than you and me. Don't let your attention be drawn to someone else (the more wealthy for example). That only makes you feel powerless and then you ARE powerless because you miss out on the things that you CAN do.

[@elisaw8367]

denis donbas things can change, we can change. Let’s make the change from within holding ourselves accountable while at the same time calling out life and light negating actions on the outside

[@dinomiles7999]

gather feather sounds beautiful, IT'S not what we say, it's what we do . Wake up people

[@FountainBeee]

Really enjoying Charles's content lately. Thank you.

[@dinomiles7999]

Fountain and

[@jordanfrazin6650]

Was hoping you'd have him on the podcast to discuss this one!

[@soakedbearrd]

The constant fear experiment that we are facing is making us choose between security and the feeling of safety and our liberty. The things that make us human is being put up on a shelf. We need to ask ourselves, judging by the data coming in everyday, whether all that we are losing is necessary in the face of a virus that is mild in at least 99% of the time. We are losing our freedoms, our autonomy, our sanity, our ability to support ourselves and continue to give power hungry institutions more ammunition to take more power for themselves. But that’s on the political and scientific end. On the spiritual and cultural end this is a moment where we can to dictate what is to come by the choices we make today. Make no mistake about it, there are forces which will have you believe you do not have that choice and instead push to have that choice made for you, but they are wrong, only you choose.

[@kie1937]

Yet another great pod cast

[@richardrogersdesigns2683]

thank you both. Just switching to your podcast to avoid all the ads that You tube has put in!

[@stvbrsn]

1:21:45 very nice. One of my favorite books from back in the day is Illuminatus! By Wilson and Shea, an irreverently hilarious, disjointed odyssey through every fringe topic you can think of, disguised as a mystery novel that reveals (among countless other things) the meaning of life. The ability to say no. Just as Charles paraphrases at the above timecode (and I’m meta-paraphrasing here), it all boils down to having the capacity to choose.

[@LavenderLori406]

Eisenstein is pure genius. I totally get the loneliness statistic. And the acupuncturist discarded strikes a chord - as a lavender farmer being told what all I offer with this herb is not essential. I like everything about his article.

[@thehuffley3974]

Life without Lavender is not a life in my view xx :)

[@tmotnlr]

the huffley with you, the huffley. Thank you, Lori. You are essential to me ❤️

[@ChipSpencer123]

We will never conquer death. Death leads us to eternal life & progress.

[@rosalinddances2890]

I love the title of this podcast. I see Corona as a total convergence, a pivot point of tremendous potential. We have no choice but to see how this plays out

[@dinomiles7999]

Rosalind dances and

[@ladycactus110]

I agree this is a pivot point. But is there SOMETHING we can actually do besides submit to nefarious and concealed agents?

[@rosalinddances2890]

@@ladycactus110 We can and do by being being honest and as authentic as we can, by being present, by listening to each other without judgement, by voicing our concerns without putting the other down, etc... Not so easy, a challenge to be sure

[@cherylheal5977]

This whole conversation absolutely spoke to my soul. Thank-you Rich as always, and Charles, what a pleasure to hear such an expanded line of thinking.

[@loissmith3443]

The description above labels Eisentein as a counter-cultural intellectual,which is obviously wrong. This guy is definitely a PRO-CULTURAL INTELLECTUAL.

[@muzwot9603]

You do realise he's a lifelong advocate for moneyless society ... can't get much more counterculture than that.

[@dinomiles7999]

Lois Smith and

[@luminatedheart]

Potent dialogue and very relevant even today February 2021. I feel it's time we have more heart centered conversations based on higher perspectives and include all possibilities. I very much enjoy this but wonder why the advertising is so flagrant as that turned me off quite a bit towards the host.

[@dancingcedar]

Huge thanks!!!!!!! All Blessings Always :)

[@masonart4950]

Their evil plans will backfire as it leads to their own demise.

[@xxdrleek10]

12:41 Rich finally shuts up and lets his guest speak.

[@jmc0369]

Thanks for having Charles on. Love it! Stephen Jenkinson and Daniel Schmachtenberger next!

[@dinomiles7999]

jmc0369 and what has changed . Blah blah blah blah blah

[@jmc0369]

@@dinomiles7999 To what specifically are you referring? What would you like to see?

[@cathpiccirillo2587]

Julio Vincent Gambuto's essay, "Prepare for the Ultimate Gaslighting" published April 10 on Medium.com terms this pandemic the Great Pause. It's a worthwhile read that meshes with the themes in this podcast, and challenges us to evolve beyond the dysfunctional normalcy we were living in.

[@joshuagraning9860]

Perfect time for Charles! Thank you for this conversation!

[@timsweeney9558]

The eight letters that make up THANK YOU don't come close to expressing how grateful I am to you guys for this conversation. This 54 year old has meaning, maybe for the first time in his life...and I needed to hear both those things that had me yelling "Yes! Thank you!" to something Charles or Rich said, those things I already felt deeply but hadn't been able to put a name on or elucidate...but also those important reminders that not everyone is going to be fired up to turn this crazy experiment we call humanity in a better direction, and that is fine. Maybe we have the only chance we will ever see for non violent revolution...but that's a monumental task. What else do we have to do, wait around to see what's on Netflix in 2030 and how cool the new fucking phones will be?

[@dehliasimper7996]

We are experiencing polarities of thinking . Reduction-ism is linear where as everything created by nature is holistic and connected

[@mariacukorova1740]

OMG! Of course these voices have come together

[@gilafunk]

Not sure he really understands something like complex trauma and how that colors our view of life such that "choice" is more than something we conjure as a "positive" idea.

[@tyebo2010]

just looking into his eyes makes me feel calmer

[@marycollins8215]

Thank you.

[@monsmedo]

Great podcast. In Sweden used to call exactly what you talk about ”socialism”.

[@dinomiles7999]

Mons Helander and

[@WOLFMAN2975]

Go to (bit chute) for Uncensored information

[@nanwuamitofo]

Great stuff! (The ads are a bit long, though.)

[@teresaiche4722]

…’an impoverished experience of life’ says it all 💜

[@processoperator1]

Live your idea about a monetary system that hinders hoarding. Similar to nature where if I had 100 apples. If I heard them, you'd not like me for it, and half of em would rot. Money and property do the opposite.

[@thoralder4963]

Great conversation On another note, on Rich Roll‘s recommendation I checked out outer known clothing, glad that they have the worlds cleanest place for manufacturing jeans Who can afford them? With the exchange , They cost approximately $600 Canadian

[@WOLFMAN2975]

Absolutely humans are social pack oriented creatures, they Know this. : )Tyler

[@amyc4259]

Why is this podcast no longer seen as a video?

[@ontocratos]

I am just wondering where you, Richard and Charles, feel we are heading now, one year later... In terms of connecting to the whole...I found this conversation yesterday... It seems like we are a bit further down the road right now....

[@jackiek3860]

This is very true. I want to live in a utopian world 🌏 ✌️🌻🧘‍♂️☀️🌈

[@maryberry6067]

We will leave this body at the appointed time Just like we came into it at the appointed time. Virus or know virus.

[@Jen.K]

There is no 'we' life is a process, it's not a thing. You are the experience of life, while there is life, there is you. The body is a physical system through which life can be experienced consciously. But there is no you experiencing anything, only the conscious experience.

[@AnnaMishel]

the last thing anybody is thinkinking of now . . . is office furniture

[@EricDBruce]

Wow you're very clever. Pat yourself on the back. Actually tens of millions have just been forced to abruptly setup a remote work environment

[@sueharrison6718]

Not true. We rushed to get a chair, mat and a home for a printer just before lockdown here. Very glad we did.

[@smilebot484]

Actually Fully is amazing. Good sponsor. Who knew Rich has to eat too!

[@kimtaylor9096]

💌🙏☮️

[@wutdafxup111]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ADyingFaith]

KZbin The Zeitgeist Movement Moving Forward to see how we can transition from a monetary system to a natural law resource based economy!

[@sidilicious11]

Are humans an organ of the Earth? Why are we allowed to carry so much responsibility for the well-being of the planet?

[@mondopinion3777]

Beautiful question, Sidilicious. Yes we are indeed an organ of Earth. I believe our biological purpose (perhaps not the only purpose) is to build a technology to shield the planet from meteor impacts. It is extremely hard for animal brain and flesh to do this. I have had beautiful dreams about the future, and we are still fully human as we do tech together, and Nature is healthy. The Bible is a kind of DNA guiding this process (see The Great Code by Northrup Frye, The Gifts of the Jews by Cahill). (see on KZbin how ancient Chinese pictographs and the ancient Hebrew Bible are based on the same compelling stories.) There is an evil power at the root of human society ( perhaps there in part to drive the development of technology) and deep down, where we are all joined in one field of consciousness, it drags on every one of us. And destroys Nature. When the time comes and it is overcome, we will be Earth's keeper. Maybe this is how planets evolve and give birth. Maybe we are unique. I don't know . . WWG1WGA

[@mtobolsky]

I like the reference to Eric Weinstein at about 25:30ish like gods without the wisdom

[@richroll]

Good catch:)

[@larsgsanger4724]

The guy is beating around the bush.

[@xxdrleek10]

I do not see people getting together in the US. Separation is even greater.

[@calmestlad]

Chapter notes please

[@PM9Video]

Video starts at 12:48

[@jageo48]

Why is absolutely no one screamin': *STOP EATING FLESH* of any kind, whether wild or domestic? No one ever got a heart attack from eating too much spinach.

[@startedat36yearsold33]

Keep the message alive, bro! Many here will understand that animals are killing us, but it isn't spoken enough. Research backs up that claim.

[@startedat36yearsold33]

Eating flesh is directly or indirectly related to virtually all human viruses

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[@brettmernst]

@john otvos. With all due respect: Dude you’re lame. As intelligent omnivorous, we humans have the ability to gain nutrients from meat and vegetables; a healthy and life-thriving diet. I fear you are foolish to limit yourself to one or the other. What a privileged life you must live to hold such an ignorant ideology. My suggestion: please quit preaching, it’s an unattractive quality.

[@ChipSpencer123]

We seek control but we can't make it happen. Hence, COVID-19 overcomes us. We are fighting a tactical retreat (not my term), but it's true. In general we need to move forward.

[@MrBmooney40]

I have heard other presentations by Charles which I have found inspirational. However, today I am deeply disappointed by his suggestion that protecting the elderly and vulnerable is somehow being done at the cost of others’ freedoms. This is an unfortunate idea. It was made worse by his suggestion that this is being done because society doesn’t believe in an afterlife. No, this is an untrue perception of compassion. Compassionate ethics holds all life as equally precious and special. The elderly have given us a great deal of wisdom and gifts. Protecting them from a lethal disease is as important as protecting young people. I detected notions of dystopian conspiracy in what he said too. I’m truly disappointed Charles

[@Sam-ug4xt]

You cannot prevent death. Yes the elderly life should be respected but not at the cost of young people yet to live theirs. Irrevocable change is occurring, freedoms that might never be gained back freedoms that the current elderly population were allowed. Those children of the baby boomers. Old people get sicker than young people. People who's bodies are getting tired, who eat pesticide laden food, have chronic stress, are depressed, smoke, drink, live in areas with high air pollution, take prescribed medications, like painkillers or statins etc.... More at risk from any illness no matter what. You cannot treat the symptom, the virus is the symptom. And lockdowns do not change the general state of health of people for the better, if anything peoples mental health has deteriorated ridiculously.

[@Sam-ug4xt]

You should probably read his article the Myth of conspiracy. I think people have become emotionally attached to the idea that we can prevent death and illness by simply distancing from each other. What kind of life is that?? Maybe for the old who don't mind being by themselves who have had their fun. But everyone in reality lives to love others. We want to bask in each others company, touch, sing dance, we have inalienable rights. Knowing that only 1% of people who get covid die "with" what about - 1 in 3 people get cancer...?? 33% and I'll bet you the death rate is higher.. People still drink and smoke and do all sorts that heightens this risk. Its the sudden obsession with risk at the expense of actual living and loving. Honestly how long are you willing to wait this out, what are you willing to give up so that someone can have 2 more years added onto their 85 year life?? How many young people have committed suicide this year? It hasn't been compiled yet I don't believe... But it will be a huge number. Even with the plague it was obvious that it was spread because of uncleanness, crowded, malnourished society. Spanish flu to affect people around ww1, mass trauma, rationing, chemical weapons, stress.its incomparable because It caused actual illness in 50%+ of people... A lot high than covid

[@bluegreenworld333]

I believe we did not serve the elderly by abandoning them in nursing and care homes, cutting them off from their families and I personally lost someone April 2020 who I was unable to see for 45 days as he died, alone and who was returned to the care home on his deathbed and we were not permitted Serving the elderly is keeping them close and loved in their family units to their end.

[@dinomiles7999]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Deeds NOT words. Words don't do it . Change comes from energy motion . What will we DO different. ?

[@johnnywlittle]

Dino Miles actually behind every great “movement”, there were first thoughts and words. They create worlds....the actions are simply the inevitable result.

[@WOLFMAN2975]

*Go to (bit chute) search 5G Corona*

[@flower-the-earth]

This creep is in on it. Yale.

[@cultivatelongevity4026]

[@integrativnamedicina]

So dissapointed - never before have I encountered a highly meaningful conversation cut in pieces with so many senseless adds ...

[@jeannelebow5309]

It is so irritating and insulting when a philosopher repeatedly uses the collective "we" especially when referring not to the philosopher or Rich, but to the rest of us i.e. the ill-informed herd . Why not say "some people" instead?

[@timsweeney9558]

Because as far as humans go, WE all live on this planet. Not "some people", but thanks for sharing that you are irritated and insulted.

[@ChipSpencer123]

"Failed attempts at control"

[@WOLFMAN2975]

Quick question for you Rich, are you a Raw Vegan? : )Tyler Also Please let me know whether or not the links I have posted here are visible to you, Thank You Greatly Appreciated!

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No links

[@WOLFMAN2975]

@@fumblestiltskin Sent the links direct to you, please confirm if you receive Thanks : )Tyler

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@@WOLFMAN2975 still no links showing.

[@WOLFMAN2975]

@@fumblestiltskin Check out the KZbin channel (what's really going on)

[@sandibrockway7680]

Sadly, R$SET has gotten a bad name now.

[@dinomiles7999]

Speak up bro.

[@gedster72]

Wayyyy to many adverts. Bye

[@Daneiladams555]

Terribly long introduction god man

[@loveisthelaw20042004]

Hey Charles did you wake up yet ?

[@xxdrleek10]

Rich's usual 12 step delusional nonsense. St-u and let your guest speak.

[@MelliaBoomBot]

1 minute in. WHAT is that stupid dramatic music in the background? Like a monotonous tone? It really should be all about content and not production...........

[@xxdrleek10]

I find him to be simplistic and outright ridiculous.

[@timsweeney9558]

Thanks, when I read your simplistic handle and your opinion, I clicked play right away. Great podcast. Thanks for being a counter indicator.

[@tatkonateneryfie]

two old dudes scary of modern world, not even that funny- ve seen it million times. All grandpas preaching about "ol good times" just go to elderly care you will have audiance for this bs

[@Sonjaarmisen]

Hi Arek, interesting what you are writing, makes me curious how did you come across this video ? did you listen to the whole of it ? greez Sonja

[@tatkonateneryfie]

when guy with math degree starts spreading fear of the future- it's enough for me. Just follow the data. nothing they talk about is based on reality, both of them are just obsolete and that's why they are unhappy. Philosophy is simplification of the reality. We have data science we do not need simplifications. And sorry to break it- they are quite uneducated both of them. Especially their vision of history is just american propaganda. I do not think we should waste too much time at them. They belong to the past