COYOTES attacked a DOG in the neighborhood! 😠

We've been training our Giant Schnauzer, Salem, for the past 2 years to protect the farm, but today our strategy needs to change. 🤔
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[@legendarymayormarylikestur8874]

I live in a rural part of California in a small city with neighbors on 2 sides. We put up a chainlink fence along the perimeter with angled top bars facing away from the yard.Coyotes try to hop over but bang their head on the chainlink and drop down. They cant figure out a way to get inside my yard. Has worked for years!

[@micheleperron3372]

We do the same in our small town in central Ontario, in Canada. We hear the coyotes in the middle of town regularly but the outward fence tops seem to do the job.

[@onedazinn998]

glad it worked for you & thanks for the suggestion!

[@shining2force2ll]

I think if you put that on the back fence line parallel with the railroad track and discuss with your neighbors to do the same, the cost would be less BUT Still get a companion for Salem! Good Luck👍 LoVe watching & learning from your Videos🤗

[@_Chessa_]

That’s actually an amazing option for them. I don’t know if the neighbors would be so happy about the installation of it. Unfortunately in my area, some packs found a way over a double angled chain-link fence of a school yard, and manage to climb over every night for the garbage, But they also found out to go through peoples windows and doggy doors to grab peoples small dogs and cats. Which is the saddest thing to happen in my area. The coyotes out here are just becoming smarter and have zero fear of humans. It’s intense.

[@nyxredfern5042]

There are also fence toppers that drop under weight. I've heard of them used for backyard cats, but I wonder if they'd help for coyotes too.

[@ataurus2at]

It seems like getting another Salem makes the most sense. That way Salem isn't on her own, Lydia won't be allergic and you won't have the barking problem of a lgd. Also Salem gets a buddy 😊

[@SunShine-fg4hg]

Yep

[@manuelaouvina9719]

Yeah

[@sunilitaliya253]

I couldn't have said it better 👏

[@avanaccarato5151]

Yes I agree, and if they got another dog when it comes to training Salem could help show the new dog what to do and just help out as an example

[@theweird2006]

or they could get a pre trained dog

[@BeStrong_BeCourageous]

Ethan trying to convince you guys to get more birds because they would protect the property was hilarious

[@jenniferp5916]

Maybe Ethan needs to start raising large attack hawks! 😆 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅 Go Ethan!

[@redlinecourier4260]

Ostriches are A-Holes so yes!

[@lienhua5558]

@@jenniferp5916 Ethan: You get a bird! You get a bird! EVERYONE GETS A BIRD! 😂😂😂

[@vickiporter4804]

Actually, ginneas are good

[@BeStrong_BeCourageous]

@@vickiporter4804 yeah, some birds are really awesome protection and alarm animals, I was just hinting at the fact that he lives birds so much he will try to fit buying some into any scenario

[@sue1288]

My cousins installed an motion detection system that hooked to their outdoor lights and a sprinkler system. They haven't had any more Coyotes since they installed them. They actually said the sprinkler surprises them more than the lights but they keep both going for extra security

[@serenitygilles7064]

I like this idea no one gets hurt and it's pretty funny

[@naerwyn239]

@@serenitygilles7064 Plus they don't have to get and train another dog

[@lz3229]

Your cousins are smart people. People need to understand that we share the earth with lots of critters. The answer is NEVER mass extermination like some freaks advocate, but humane deterrence.

[@matildaweir123]

Good idea

[@sauropod1293]

Anti-predator disco!! Sounds pretty fun! I wonder if it would scare off Harley and Pepper Pumpkin...

[@Thereal_Nonnie]

Maybe get another dog like Salem. One that may be older and already trained, so you don’t have to redo the whole training process.

[@mirsensambo3542]

yes

[@romeliaanddixie]

Do you know how expensive that is? A fully trained guardian dogs costs a minimum of 70k

[@fowlersilvester7977]

That's what I was going to say! :) great minds think alike :D

[@Ylime240]

@@romeliaanddixie However, do you want to spend that amount for electric fence or the rollers ?

[@adam-fu4uv]

i think any option is expensive

[@edalynblight3691]

i’m a graduate student at ttu for wildlife biology. it is gonna be near impossible to completely prevent them from coming in your backyard. i would say the best bet is to get a second dog for more cover and coyote guards. any preventative measures such as repellants, alarms, and urine will eventually lead to de-sensitization and they will ignore it. However you could use these leisurely until a decision is made. Fencing is also a great option but is quite expensive. One measure we learned is the use of a King Collar to protect livestock against coyotes, but I don’t think they make something similar for dogs. Coyotes suffocate by the jugular rather than tear skin, so if your dealing with a pack, it’s a difficult decision.

[@Tzarina8472]

What are your thoughts on a spiked collar 'armor' for Salem and any helper puppy?

[@edalynblight3691]

@@Tzarina8472 that’s initially what i thought, but they’re typically sized for smaller dogs that fall easier prey to raptors and other hunters. even if Salem wears this armor, my concern would be her mobility through the farm and if she got snagged on something. The last thing i would want on Salem would be her to choke herself from defending the animals. That’s my only real concern.

[@izznis]

@@Tzarina8472 I've those spike collar in cartoons, never knew it was for protection

[@_Chessa_]

From my experiences of watching coyote packs in the years, two big dogs should be the best bet for them in terms of protection of their livestock and their land from coyote packs. I’m a novice but watched a 6 pack of them in my area and they are bold and unafraid of humans coming right up at me to sniff the garbage around the area. Coyotes here in my area are becoming brave and going into peoples houses through open windows and dog doors to take small dogs and cats from the homes. So that’s disheartening to learn about. Pee is a great tool here though and they avoid my yard thanks to lots of dog pee. And I agree that pee can help a bit unless they become desensitized, but for now it should work for them until they are able to find another trained dog or a solution to the problem. Hoping nothing happens till then. I’m a bit of a night owl and walk outside at night in the city, coyotes are just becoming more and more fearless it seems.

[@lienhua5558]

@@Tzarina8472 From previous experience it only provides cover for the neck but doesn’t protect other sensitive areas like the legs, ears and such

[@JerryB507]

It's time for Kevin and Ethan to start "marking their territory" on the fence line.

[@kittimcconnell2633]

that's actually not a bad idea at all. I've protected my garden from deer and rabbits using mine and my husband's urine (in a watering can) around the border of the garden.

[@zietzbr]

I hope everyone gives Lydia the kudos for being so quick witted and funny 😂 “those are my two passions” made me laugh out loud 😂

[@serenityadamsd455]

I would try and look into getting an already grown and trained dog to protect your farm but would also be a great fit for your family! This way you don’t have to stress over the training and your have a dog already to go to protect the property with Salem.

[@Tzarina8472]

That would have to be a very special and probably Expen$ive dog. This isn't a bad idea though, but I would recommend a younger dog. Salem will naturally want to help train the younger dog in everything she has learned.

[@rameshr6989]

Yes it's good

[@serenityadamsd455]

@@Lazyspaceout that’s true but worth it if you don’t wanna go through the stressful training of another puppy again

[@Weedemandreap]

Wow, you guys are the best! Thank you for all the advice - Kevin and I are reading through them all! We’ve have some big decisions to make 😅

[@juliebaker6969]

Maybe you could get another couple dogs of the same breed as Salem. A pack of coyotes may have no qualms about going up against ONE dog, but a PACK of dogs would probably give them pause.

[@mochibear8933]

I just saw the coyote vest for Salem! Never knew there was such a thing. I vote the pink one that looks like a porcupine 💕

[@christinathompson3498]

I think get a nother dog that's trained plus on that it probly train salum even more. A pack of coyotes with kill salom cuz she's one agean however how many there are

[@Tzarina8472]

Dog Armor Get or make a collar for Salem that is basically a wide leather strap with all kinds of long, thin, nails sticking out. It makes it difficult and sometimes painful for the predator to get a kill-hold on your dog; which is when they grab the neck and shake.

[@SaberFangs]

Have you considered reaching out to local groomers and asking for a bag of fur? Sprinkle that along the edges of your property every now and then. It's not a long term solution but doing that can trick some predators to stay away as the combined scent of many dogs can trick them into thinking this area is the territory of a larger pack. Since you have an immediate danger of a pack of coyotes in the area, it would be best to do this and anything else you can implement immediately while you consider long term solutions. For long term I 100% agree with others saying you at least need to consider getting another dog.

[@VINN13D]

I'm in australia so we don't have to worry about coyotes but we have to worry about dingos, we have a 3-4 acre urban farm,, and earlier last year we purchased a schnauzer after our LGD was ambushed by a pack of dingos. it made a huge difference, it gave our LGD more confidence when facing predetors. although its a pain to train another dog to your property, i think its one of the best options for what you guys are facing. wish you guys the best of luck!

[@amyhetherington7130]

good idea

[@clairekettle448]

I would have said a LGD like an anatolian shepherd. Four coyotes are about the size of an adult male. And trim back the hedges. I would have said as silly as it could be use one of those bark machines. Motion sensored so if a coyote did get in I would get the scare of its life

[@horselings1067]

I (not very experienced with coyotes) might recommend getting 2 alpacas for the main pasture and then installing either rollers or electric fencing (I’d go with electric) around the buck and baby pens. Keeping Salem outside will alert you, then she’ll also have the alpacas to help protect the main pasture and the goats in the small pens will be protected by fencing. I hope the coyotes don’t come for you or your neighbour’s animals and I wish all the best to the dog that was attacked.

[@cilandialane3084]

A coyote will go over an electric fence.

[@Kt75082]

The best idea I’ve read here so far is the chain link slanted out so they can’t jump over. May be cheaper to install on top of your existing fence.

[@mochibear8933]

Nice job on the blood work! I think a second 'Salem' would learn quicker. In my experience a additional dogs learns from older dogs & shadow. I hope you find a solution & the pack doesn't visit you. Could you set a decoy/trap to give you time to get into the garden from an alert of some kind & this give you time? Motion detection camera on the perimeter. Good luck.

[@ginabriscoeg]

Ya that’s what I was thinking they should do

[@thetinyshinylife]

A multi pronged approach sounds like the best option. Get another dog, protect their necks with a specialised collar, install the rollers on your fence, trim back some of the shrubbery over the back wall, get motion detection deterrent in the likely high risk access points. Your goats and other animals are family, but also an investment. The extra costs to protect them would be worth it. 😊

[@victoriarodriguez9981]

Training a new dog might not take quite so long because the new one can watch Salem and learn from her

[@LuvTrinity101DDTANK]

I think a second dog is the best of your options 😅 Tho I would also get coyote rollers, but I would do it in sections or diy to make it affordable And if you have the 2nd dog, Salem has backup if coyote rollers fail 💁🏽‍♀️

[@Wosiewose]

I was thinking that too, a combo. Coyote rollers might not be totally foolproof, but they might be able to slow down the coyotes enough that the whole pack couldn't advance all at once, and Salem and her buddy could maybe handle the ones that do get through. Or if all else fails, Karen could pitch in! :)

[@kimcwhite6509]

The problem is, they can jump over the rollers and not touch them. Heavier dogs that barely scale a fence will encounter the rollers, but I'm afraid coyotes just sail over the fence. I've been around them for years and they're hard to battle when you can't hunt them.

[@_Chessa_]

I wonder, do their cats walk along that fencing as well? If so if they add the rollers on top, the cats are going to give quite a show. Lol

[@rjstevens6954]

Im on the same line of thinking....the more work a predator has to put in to grab a meal, the less likely it is to waste its energy to try, at least thats my experience XD only the most confident or desperate predators would be a problem with enough obstacles

[@richardthomas1743]

Pay Ethan to be a night guard! LOL

[@10thegoatbooth.ilovejesus]

lol

[@sarap8841]

lol He can stand guard and command the pigeon squad to attack.

[@ginabriscoeg]

Yes great idea

[@elizabethwelner5550]

I see alot of homesteaders using the Premier electric fences for their livestock. Normally they would be installed on the ground, but maybe you can 'Kevin Craft" a solution for the top of the walls around your yard. It would mean cutting back alot of those tree branches but I'm sure the goats wouldn't mind snacking on them. Good luck!!

[@YAH_IsRealLight_in_Shawna]

Hello, I grew up in Mesa and had a small farm in Lehi. I undertand what you are going through. IMO a hot wire is the cheapest & quickest way to protect your babies. Honestly, not to scare you but a pack of coyotes could take down a small goat. This is very serious ...Cut back the bushes and trees overhanging the cinder block fence, its a alot of work, but you all will have a huge deterrant with a hot line running the top of your fence. You'll be able to sleep at night. One other deterrant is Mountain lion or Bobcat urine, and motion detection lightening on back fence. Also I know the have motion detectoion triggering sounds of barking dog or hissing growl of large predator like mountain lion cat? Set it up on access points or fences? Hope this helps, will be praying for the safety of you lil ones.

[@LegendHold1]

Yes this! Great ideas to keep coyotes out. LGD only work if they are outside 100% of the time. Since Salem is more family pet and watchdog with livestock duties, she's not going to be as effective as hot wire. There is also a motion detected water jet sprayer out there that can be set up. - Havahart 5277 Critter Ridder Motion Activated Animal Repellent and Sprinkler - This is a great deterant to coyotes and other predators, but if a neighborhood cat or one of your own animals trigger it, it's not lethal.

[@beverlycarrizosa16]

Also a spiked coyote collar works. My small dog wears one and my last small dog survived a coyote attack wearing one. Kevlar vests are goi too. Or hog vest.

[@caseycunningham5439]

We have an emu and he really does protect our herd of 25 goats.

[@mochibear8933]

Ethan always wanted an Emu

[@BooBookitty5279]

The biggest predator of an emu is the dingo. As a fellow emu owner I don’t think it’d be advised to use emus as a guardian against another typed of “dog” predator.

[@caseycunningham5439]

He is definitely fun to have around! We even have lots of coyotes and haven’t had any losses to them the whole 5 years of having goats!

[@mccarthyfarmsqld]

Gosh, I can never get over how hard you guys have to work over there to keep your stock safe from predators! People always say everything here in australia wants to kill you but at least they’re only snakes and spiders 😅 we get the occasional fox or group of wild dog/dingo hybrids but nothing crazy! If I were in your shoes I’d probably choose a second dog as backup for Salem, and maybe a hot wire around the areas most vulnerable (like chickens and baby goats). We have electric poultry netting which works great keeping foxes away from our chickens!

[@JennyA1961]

The best defence is you and your neighbours. Make sure you keep in touch and send alerts to each other if coyotes are spotted. ❤🐨

[@DawnJolley]

We live in a neighboring city by you. Coyote rollers do not work. We have an LGD, but you are correct, if left outside, they bark at everything, especially that suspicious leaf rolling by in the wind! You should get another Giant Schnauzer if Salem is good at only barking when a threat comes by, then she can confront the coyotes with a friend! Good luck, you will make a great decision because you know what is right for you and your little farm!

[@amerirose]

1)Trim the over hanging branches way back 2) add a couple lines of electric wire fence at the top of back walls and side walls. It's inexpensive and easy to install. 3) Get a second Salem! Best of luck!

[@100snyderm]

I agree, with some maintenance I feel like the electric fence would be most economical to install/upkeep and very effective!

[@bluelilly22222]

I'm from Southern part of India, here we protect our farms and livestocks by raising high compound walls n in that walls we pack it with broken glasses on the top of the wall so that any thieving person or any wild animals won't come inside..

[@caseyleichter2309]

Suggestion: Add a panel atop the outer fence that curves in and then out, like a backward C. Because it curves back on itself, coyotes won't be able to climb over it; because it is in addition to the fence already there, it should be too high for them to jump over. In the areas where there are trees or other things growing over the fence, put planks that extend beyond the branches (or whatever) - like a pergola roof lattice? - and then mount the backward curve on those extensions, so coyotes that climb the trees are still faced with the backward curve.. The curving panels can be anything that coyote paws or teeth can't get a grip on: sturdy chicken wire, fence panels bent over a form, even cloth that holds a shape and doesn't rip. (I don't know what this would cost. Probably a lot.)

[@justagirldoingstuff2442]

Salems head on your shoulders is so adorable 😍

[@LuthienNightwolf]

Can you make the enclosures you put your animals into at night more secure with the rollers instead of the whole yard? I saw another story recently where a LGD (or might have been a Merema) got really torn up by a pack of coyotes, I wouldn't risk Salem or a potential second dog getting injured in that situation. She can still bark to alert you if something comes into the yard but I think just reinforcing the goat and chicken pens would probably be the lowest risk.

[@kimcwhite6509]

I agree, they could really tear up Salem or even kill her. I wish someone could hunt them outside of the town where they live and reduce their numbers coming into town for food/kills!

[@Tzarina8472]

What are your thoughts on a dog collar designed to discourage neck biting? Look up 'Dog armor' and tell me what you think.

[@brendaunland4407]

That's a good idea.

[@sootlet8894]

you could get a coyote vest. a lot of people use them for smaller dogs and its basically just a vest with spikes kinda like those punk bracelets/chokers. You would probably need to get it custom made but it would give Salem some extra tools to use against a coyote. Edit: apparently theres a company just called "coyotevest" and they have a website with a handful of different styles. But it looks like they make them in Salem's size... they are a little pricey though.

[@lisanelson656]

I think in the long run, it would be a good idea to get another big dog like Salem, but in the interim getting a bigger bird like an emu or 2 might be a solution. I know you've had geese in the past and they got mean and started bullying the goats, so I wouldn't suggest to go that way. So excited for those baby goats coming!

[@StripesofValor]

I think getting another big dog and companion for Salem would be ideal. Plus, with Lydia graduating high school soon, you guys may enjoy the extra company once she leaves for college.

[@GardinersPlot]

There are outfits for dogs to protect them around certain vulnerable spots. Dogs used to hunt wild boar wear them. Could offer Salem a degree of protection in the mean time. What about electric fencing around the pens rather than the property?

[@GardinersPlot]

Alpacas also sound an alarm when there is a predator present. Could train Salem to wake you when she hears it then you can tag team the coyotes

[@froschi8065]

Regarding the long training of additional dogs: Most dogs learn easily and a lot faster from other dogs than they normally would, so the training should be a breeze compared to Salem (and you already know what to do)

[@kimberlyselby3010]

For Willow: Use Quick Set Cement to make a Fake Stump. To do it, just dig out a spot in a large bucket or the ground in the shape and depth you want. ( Use Wet Course Sand to shape it or use a Real stump and pack the sand around it, then remove it carefully ) Pour the cement into the mold, making sure you add wire or pieces of fence off cuts for strength, then leave it to cure. Once cured, dig out and clean the fake stump off. ( You can use a scrub brush to get any stubborn sand off ). Then Place it where you want it. You can also paint it if you want. It will never decay and Willow will always have her Stump.

[@lienhua5558]

I would definitely think of getting another Salem. We’re having a similar problem in my home state. Dogs do tend to learn from older dogs-I would think of getting a male this time since male GS run larger than females. I’m currently waiting on my pup to be born in three weeks 🤞🏽

[@rileyberry6192]

1. Spike collar/vest for Salem make sure you ONLY put them on her at night. It will protect her neck and body. 2. Sturdy fence, I would recommend putting an electric fence by the canal facing towards your house. If I remember correctly the back of the buck pen runs next to the canal so make sure that it is electrified as well, the stronger the better. 3. Run electric wire on the tops of the fences , almost like barbed wire, and I do mean EVERY fence, all of them. 4. LOCK EVERYTHING AWAY AT NIGHT, EVERYTHING!! Cats, chickens, goats, everyone except for Salem. Good luck

[@beverliorozco1015]

I think your best option is to get another dog and train it. Having patience brings the best outcome!

[@katebenik9086]

Hey! I am a vet tech and thought I could give you some advice. 1-It’s easier to find their jugular if their head is straight 2-spraying alcohol will make the hair lay flatter 3-if you don’t see the vein immediately then wait a second, it may take a second to fill up 4-make sure you’re aspirating your syringe, do you wanna make sure you’re not in a blood vessel. Love you guys ❤❤❤

[@LailaShippy]

Keep our Salem safe!❤❤❤

[@SapphireFoxFarm]

I’m so excited! Wearing my “Luna Finds A Way” shirt today! My doe is due Feb 4th and this is my first experience with goat pregnancy and kidding! I’m so nervous but excited!❤️

[@teyjahxaveriss6270]

We had wolves and coyotes, our dogs all wore chains on their necks to protect their most vulnerable area. We lived by the ocean and lots of forest. This works at night and they didn't have to wear them in the daytime. Worked great. It is very intimitating when the coyotes would sit on the banks and watch us.

[@hollandspinehaven2634]

We are deep in bear and coyote country and we use elertric net fences. Something does test it once in a while but 8 years into keeping goats never have we had anything get through a hot fence... the key is keeping it hot....

[@sophiaandwhisper-thewillia7052]

AWW SALEMMMM! WOOO GO SALEM GO TELL THE COYOTES ❤

[@suzannemallett3788]

You could try a spiked coyote collar or vest for Salem

[@theadventuresofsandyland4961]

Oh no, so sorry to hear that. Do you know how many of them attacked the dog? I would get 2 more Salems 😀 and make sure all your live stock are securely indoors at night, and electric barbed wire wall barriers? The wall barriers will be expensive but you have to weigh up cost vs security. Hope all your animals stay safe x

[@gmgg9248]

I'd say Kevin is very create and competent. Cut back the outer perimeter trees. Install long spikes that lean in all directions somehow along the top of your entire perimeter fence. Definitely get a 2nd dog (and maybe 3rd dog) so they can be pack. It may be costly but worth the investment.

[@Sour_0211]

Emus are also an option! I know a while back you tried to hatch one. They are good at attacking and are fast!

[@nancycowan6109]

Honestly, I had to watch this twice because of Salem’s beautiful face. When you mentioned the neighbor dog getting attacked, she looked at you like “what???” I don’t have a clue what you need to do. ❤️

[@pattylcravatta]

Wow! Coyotes! Salem! Please! Keep Sweet Salem safe! Coyotes are predators! We’ve invaded their area! I feel for You! The Milking Station! Blood Work! Vaccination time! The Goats are getting Big! Lots of Baby Goats soon! I’ll pray 🙏 a lot for you! Great Video! Thank-you! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@kittimcconnell2633]

A second dog is probably the best bet. They can back each other up and present a more confused target for coyote packs. I suggest a Heeler - the Australian Cattle Dog. They can handle Arizona temperatures, they're incredibly sweet, fast and nimble.

[@beverlycarrizosa16]

Predator eyes are solar and you attach them to fence at coyote eye height. Theve worked well for us. Lost 4 goats in one night to coyotes and we use those and have an LGD now. No sign of them for 2 years now.

[@addie_quit]

Oh no! I really hope Salem will protect the farm, so Luna don't have to 😂😂 Edit: maybe you guys should get an already trained dog like salem?

[@patriciaclark409]

Luna's probably the reason why they've ganged up now. Maybe words got round about her.

[@addie_quit]

@@patriciaclark409 lol 😂 😂

[@nerlana1281]

Unfortunately for an already started dog on the low end is $8k for a decent one is $13k and some even higher. You will not find a Giant Schnauzer as a started dog either though :(

[@addie_quit]

@@nerlana1281 yeah that's a bummer 😞 I really don't want their animals dying 😢

[@nerlana1281]

@@addie_quit Thankfully they already have Salem and if they decide on another guardian dog they will learn a lot quicker from having a dog mentor to shadow (Salem)

[@infernalhaze4663]

I think getting another dog is the best bet and when you train the new dog at least it will have the advantage of learning from Salem too. It can see what she does and hopefully pick things up faster. Also depending on the location of the dog that was attacked it's possible that a pack can't get into your yard all at once so Salem wouldn't have to worry about taking on more than one coyote at a time. It looks to me like it would be a bit of a challenge for the coyotes to get into your yard so I don't think it's likely that more than one would be in your yard at a time if Salem is constantly on watch for intruders. I think that the most likely scenario for her getting attacked would be when you let her out after not being in the yard for a while and the coyotes are already in the yard. If she's always outside then she would catch the first coyote before the others come in.

[@goginaandalinabridges893]

Hopefully willow new stump soon we are glade vet check Luna help you guys out with her hopefully she'll get better recover soon glade you guys do what best for her that's best thing to do just wanted to let you guys know ok your welcome pets are way to cute aww just wanted to let you guys know ok your welcome you guys are awesome I just wanted to let you guys know ok your welcome 💕

[@wadesfarmstead]

I think you should think about running electric wires maybe a string of two to shock the coyotes near the property lines.

[@nwhittington1]

I feel like coyotes have been really bad all over the place this year. Luckily we haven’t lost anything to them yet, but because of them we’re looking into getting some LGDs. I hope everything works out for y’all and that they don’t try to come “visit.”

[@mrpeaches9568]

I’m so excited to see all of the little kids running around

[@ShellyCurrier]

Olive is no where near as big as she was last year!! I can’t believe y’all only have 4 weeks to kidding season!!! Can’t wait!!!

[@bhavens9149]

A second Salem is a good idea, but also a younger Luna type goat, one that is big enough to back up the dogs with her hoofs. Emu's are also good protectors, but you want a boy, the girls are mean. But like the LGD emu's want some room for running.

[@bord2321]

you should get Salem a big spiked collar meant for lgds just in case she gets ganged up on by a pack, the spikes will make it harder for them to go for her neck and hurt her really badly

[@Myrcella_Rykker]

You can get another Giant Schnauzer it should lean alot of the training routine by watching Salem. But I would get one Llama and still have Salem out there at night. They can back each other up. Plus Salem can still get into the tight places the Llama couldn't. Remember only one Llama any more and they won't protect the other animals. Because a single Llama will see the other animals as its pack

[@ashleyhoman2592]

I would go with what everyone else is saying and get another Salem! Good luck on this!

[@jinjarogers1711]

Electric fence lines x2 above all the fences, and give Salem a dog proof pen so she can still loudly raise the alarm in safety xo

[@defectivegoat5712]

What about having a sizeable wether? A Nubian wether with horns? No breeding, can tell if your girls are in heat. Should be scary enough to keep a coyote or 3 away? Edit: And Luna could have a permanent boyfriend of her own!

[@TexasGoatlover]

Im 4 weeks away too! Its a fun time :) cant wait to see ur kids!

[@bornawake4483]

As far as fencing, would something cheaper like barbed wire where there are trees to kind of hide the look of it be an option? You ultimately want to keep them from wanting to try once torn up a bit. A lot of homesteaders use fairly cheap electric wire fences that are easy to turn off or on when needed if they keep a bull in a pasture might work. Of course, another beautiful dog and playmate for more of a pack feel would be good too. Best of luck! Scary knowing they are just lurking!

[@sewmanyquilts8042]

We have a Colorado mountain dog breed for calmness quietness. Small farms.

[@celeriti15]

Occasionally you can get permits for donkeys and other prohibited animals. Worth checking out

[@beckiepatrick6900]

I think of all your options, getting a second dog makes the most sense overall. A new dog is going to learn quicker. You’ve done the training before and he/she would learn from Salem. Even one of the same breed so it meets all of the other requirements like not shedding.

[@BrightestBlessings7899]

A roll top on the back fencing and some attack geese, (if you have a gander, it will be territorial) and a new Salem to add to your hobby farm, that should help keep everyone safe! Brightest Blessings!

[@2115virgo13]

We have a pack on the golf coarse in Mesa, Az. We put a 6 ft chain link. Two big pit pulls plus green house not next to fence . Made the yard harder to jump fence! No trees!!

[@andreageorge7280]

I would put the special fencing on the side that the animals come over. Motion lights in different colours sometimes scare predators, but I can see how important it is to protect your animals and Salem. Hope you find something that works.

[@athenabaker9430]

I have a Pyrenees cross guardian,and he could take 1 or 2, but a couple months back, someone dumped a hound and a hound cross on our street and I ended up with them. The mix isn't a good bird guardian (I have a poultry farm) but strangely the long legged beagle is great with them, so I decided to keep her to back Sebby up. Phoebe already mixed it up with coyotes when she was still running loose, so I know she will take them on to protect the birds, and Seb needs backup in case of a pack situation.

[@michellekracht1986]

I live in under an acre with 2 goats and chickens. We rescued a Great Pyrenees that was about a year old. He doesn’t bark any more than my neighbors dog. When he first came if he barked I would go out and check out the situation and reward him and say quiet if all was ok. He doesn’t stay out all night yet, as he is too young still. We have coyotes that run the power lines and scream, it’s so scary sounding. So far they haven’t came into our fences. Good luck!

[@ruthashcraft6679]

😊do all of your animals get put up at night? Can you build up that back fence with barbed wire? I love you guys and your channel. I wish you had more video’s…I binged them all as well as Zion Creek Farm (which you should watch). Once I finish binging I’m always bummed and just wait for the next video.❤😊

[@marionette5101]

Another giant Schnauzer! More Salems!

[@goginaandalinabridges893]

Think having another dog on the farm will be great but really do what you guys think is best for your farm and for Salem your pets are really too cute 🥰

[@Weeping_cedar]

Definitely get a dog like Salem because if you can’t have a LGD it would be good for Salem to have a friend but find one that is already trained ! When you said you could not do a LGD My mind Went to Salem ! I hope y’all find a good solution

[@ginamontoya-vanmilt37]

I use mountain lion pee you can buy it online for about 30 bucks and it works!!

[@abio3171]

I believe they have tried this before they got Salem and it didn't work

[@Stagbones]

Coyotes are scaredy cats, but I agree your land is too small for an LGD especially with Salem and Minnie there as well. I'd do a hot wire around the perimeter and station Salem outside. Then you at least have a warning and can shoot on sight.

[@bernita_rou_2022]

You are way more brave than I could ever be. Drawing blood from their throats makes me shiver.

[@awesomekoga7848]

My first thought was electric fencing. Another thing you could try is motion sensor lights or noise makers since coyotes don’t like either. The noise might not be good if you have neighbors. I’d try lights first, making sure they don’t shine at neighbors.

[@andrewgohl7460]

I grew up on a farm out in Wisconsin, and we would do 2 large dogs(they were German Shepherds with our lambs and goat kids) but also we would put a hot wire at the top of our fencing and that kept them away.

[@caitlyn3476]

I also had 2 German shepherds, loved them! They were great guards

[@mirandaprice2682]

My vote is to try the rollers first A cayote might be able to still get over the fence with the trees and other structures, but it's less likely that more than one would get over much leass or an enties pack. It gives Salem a better chance on her own if you dont want to get another dog. However if you do decide to get a second dog, I think it only better's your chances against them.

[@willow4191]

I'm so glad to hear that Salem doesn't trigger Lydia's allergies. We've been considering a Giant Schnauzer because I have developed a dog allergy, though our two poodle mixes don't bother me, we would love something bigger next though. Do you guys groom her yourself? Or do you have a regular grooming bill?

[@rachaelcaylor2756]

i am so sorry that you are having to go through the issues with the coyotes. i googled " coyote deterrent for city" and got a lot of ideas so many i wouldnt be able to type them all here. good luck please keep us posted about the situation.

[@dorothydefranco6952]

I haven't had a problem on one acre with my guardian dogs. I have two to watch my chickens and ducks. Looking to get two small goats this next year. You could also use some sort of hard wire cloth over the gates to the water channel. Remember to remove them when it's your water day.

[@gagecarlson6745]

I’d say do an electric wire or rollers on top of the brick wall and trim back the trees/bushes.

[@michellesnively7637]

What about setting up a electric mesh fence that you can take down when you flood irrigate, but leave up the rest of the time? Coyotes would come over the fence by the rail road tracks but run into the electric fence when they come over the irrigation ditch.

[@shermanbland5417]

I’m team second giant schnauzer! Maybe look at getting a male. Our Wrenagade is 110lbs. He’s a big boy. Great protector but also an amazing family dog.

[@dreamstarfarm]

We have a lot of coyotes here too, I ended up buying LGDs to protect the animals, but the goats and birds also sleep in locked barns/coops. If you decide to try an LGD, I recommend a maremma, (though they do shed, so not allergy friendly) I have two on an acre and a half, and once the 10 acre property is ready, I’ll likely retain one from one of our litters. The maremmas don’t have the tendency to roam and they bark less than Pyrenees and Anatolians from what I’ve seen, but they do still bark. Another possibility is putting a hot wire around the baby goat and buck yards so you have some protection there, and if you have a friend nearby with a working LGD, maybe have them come by and mark around the property.

[@virginialopez8896]

I feel your pain. I live in Green Valley. We lost 3 goats and my granddaughter's Chihuahua this last month. We're not sure what got them. It could a bobcat, lynx, mountain lion or coyotes. This happened even with our dogs out.

[@annie-k5213]

I'm so sorry about your Chihuahua.

[@Weedemandreap]

So sorry for your loss!

[@donnabarlow9558]

Heart breaking 😢

[@aidaquintana2163]

I think you have a great suggestion from Legiondary Mayor Ma... with the chain link fence I've seen this applied to a yard to keep a dog from jumping a 6Ft fence and maybe adding a second dog as a precautionary measure...Good Luck

[@lindakeesling4071]

For a long term plan think about a small barn for your herd. When homesteaders came west that was the first thing built. To protect the animals!

[@Anonymous90834]

You could put some bear/other apex predator urine along the fence line to repel smaller predators.

[@GH05Tx_x]

ITS TIME FOR SALEM TO SHINE!!! Edit: NEVERMIND Edit2: a giant akita dog would be a good breed since theyre very quiet and only bark when something is wrong

[@skarletcharity]

But akitas shed just as bad as huskies

[@bingorfm724]

Not in Arizona 😂

[@cassieebenhoech6205]

akitas are great guard dogs for humans, but they were breed to hunt game, on top of not being a good breed to be around other dogs. (they also shed and can be stubborn af, soooooo)

[@annie-k5213]

Akita has a tendency to not like other dogs.

[@sarap8841]

Love those dogs but its hot Arizona and Akitas have extra fur insulation for cooler weather and water?

[@AvaBear-mv5eg]

Look up a great Pyrenees dog They are known for their loyalty but very very sweet I know One ranch I go to I go to and they’re really good guard dogs you don’t have to say yes I don’t think they bark at night I don’t THINK OK It’s up to you but at least look them up I hope your dog doesn’t get hurt oh by the way she’s adorable your Dog is too cute 🥰😉☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️