CP Time: The History of Black Classical Music | The Daily Show

[@laalaa99stl]

Holy cow. I had to google the Beethoven story. Original inscription: "Sonata mulattica composta per il mulatto Brischdauer [Bridgetower], gran pazzo e compositore mulattico" (Mulatto Sonata composed for the mulatto Brischdauer, big wild mulatto composer)" It's funny because it's true.

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[@ewestner]

The Kreutzer sonata, no less! If Beethoven and Bridgetower hadn't gotten in an argument afterwards, we'd all know his name, too. Well, us classical music nerds, anyhow.

[@KevinP32270]

WHAT? that's the actual name?

[@ewestner]

@@KevinP32270 what, Kreutzer? Yeah, Beethoven got mad at Bridgetower and changed the dedication, same as he did for the Eroica symphony when he got mad at Napoleon. Beethoven changed the dedication to Kreutzer but Kreutzer himself refused to play it because "it had already been played once" (by Beethoven and Bridgetower).

[@carolyncorbin1825]

Beethoven was likely of African decent as well History made him white

[@farouqa5665]

Always stoked for a CP Time segment, 'cause you know... it's for the culture!

[@thexalon]

Surprised at the lack of mention of Paul Robeson, best known for his performance in the film Showboat. The guy was an All-American football player, a lawyer, and in his spare time an actor and one of the finest singers the country ever produced. And still treated terribly, because he was black and this was the 1930's. Also, for fans of more modern classical music, a former composition professor of mine, Jeffrey Mumford, has a style I really like. Check him out if you like weird modern stuff.

[@jasminekyoko7179]

Paul Robeson too leftist to make the list perhaps

[@mickeysmyspiritanimal223]

Roy Wood, Jr. for the win! His Black Historical Infotainment segments are not only hysterical, but oh so informative! As always, well done, Roy, well done!😜🥰👨🏾‍🦱🥳

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[@stellas4033]

@Mickey's My Spirit Animal I 100% agree ^^

[@KevinP32270]

AGREED.

[@hurricaneimagesmedia]

Thanks for this, Roy! But boy, this list was way too short. We shouldn't forget Saint-George, who was called the "Black Mozart" in his day (and was a world-class fencer and lady's man), and George Walker, the first winner of the Pulitzer Prize in Music, who would have been 100 this year... celebrations happening in dozens of orchestras right now.

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[@curtisthomas2670]

Chevalier St Georges rolled with the legendary black French General Thomas Alexandre Dumas (father of Alexandre Dumas author of The Three Musketeers and The Count Of Monte Cristo). They both served in the first all black European regiment The Legion de St Georges aka Legion de Americas (Americas Legion) made entirely of black/mixed soldiers from French colonies in the Americas. Georges was the leader, but Dumas often headed it when Georges was away doing his music or fencing.

[@nataliestavrum4451]

@@curtisthomas2670 What is this. Why have we not been granted a movie about this, we obviously deserve it!

[@liammcmanus7502]

I was surprised Florence Price wasn’t mentioned either!

[@hurricaneimagesmedia]

@@liammcmanus7502 Amen! And Dorothy Rudd More and Margaret Bonds!

[@deannasaid3271]

As a black classical musician, I approve this message 👏🏾 Well done, Roy!

[@NellieKAdaba]

👍🏿 I do some classical, pop, Gospel, Christian, Rock, etc. I improv, I don't compose yet.

[@Mont3000]

You go girl

[@duicic8541]

Big shoutout to Henry Thacker Burleigh (1866-1949), the first black composer who opened African-American music to the classical scene and served as a mediator to open-minded white composers like Antonin Dvorak (prompting the latter to state that American classical music would inevitably have roots in Black music - admittedly because Dvorak had misunderstood something about the relation of what he thought was Native American music and African American music, but nobody tell me it ain't true regardless...).

[@thexalon]

(American classical music would inevitably have roots in Black music) George Gershwin furiously takes notes.

[@Mgranadosv]

Russell Thomas and Lawrence Brownlee are current opera singers who are crushing it.

[@wideawake5630]

I remember the rise of the great Leontyne Price!

[@patrickwalsh5153]

Why not do a segment on black classical writers? You could start with Alexander Dumas, who wrote ‘The Three Musketeers’ based on his dad’s adventures with his other black Army buddies in France.

[@thesoundsmith]

I thought Trump was the original Dumas - couldn't even spell his own name...

[@rastolewandowski9721]

and continue with Russian poet Alexander S. Pushkin, whose Great-Grandfather was African.

[@jdj830]

You barely scratched the surface. I work for a classical radio station and wrote an essay two years ago called “Classical Music is Not White Music.” There have been many artists of color who have contributed to the art form from the very beginning. And by the way that portrait of Beethoven looked nothing like how Beethoven actually looked. No two portraits of him look alike because portraiture artists were encouraged to make their subjects look as white as possible. I know it’s opening a can of worms to assert that Beethoven was Black but I should just point out that 1. people have been speculating about that since Beethoven’s lifetime and several scholars insist it’s true and 2. while the portraits all disagree with one another the verbal descriptions of his appearance were remarkably consistent, and they all agree that he looked nothing like a typical German or Austrian, he had dark skin and fine curly hair that sounds like he had an Afro. His constant reference to Bridgetower being “mulatto” was a joke that Bridgetower was in on because that’s how he referred to himself in his publicity materials. Their friendship ended when they got into a fight over a woman (musicians and men never change), which is why he changed the name of his sonata from Bridgetower to Kreutzer in the hope that the latter, one of the most famous violinists of that time, would play it, but he never did. Whether or not Beethoven was actually what we would consider to be Black, the fact is that he had to overcome a lot of prejudice regarding his appearance in Viennese society (including one incident where he was arrested and a member of the aristocracy had to go to the station to bail him out), his music is all about overcoming struggles (like his deafness and the abuse he suffered in childhood from his alcoholic father), and recognizing universal brotherhood (and not only in his Ninth Symphony). He deserves our respect and attention and so do the many fine classical musicians of color throughout the centuries. It’s music for everyone.

[@KasiaGoclowski]

Really interesting information. Thanks for sharing!

[@sisuguillam5109]

The thing with typical german and austrian looking is that there is no such thing. Heck, the Bavarians have turkish ethnical roots (sorta, kinda, maybe). You can't live in the middle of Europe with everyone traipsing through it and end up looking like Himmler wished we did. So it is very much possible that Beethoven did look the way he reportedly did because he had african ancestry - especially because his family was from Belgium which was at one point under spanish rule.

[@thexalon]

Here's what I know about Ludvig van: He never married, drank like a fish towards the end of his life especially, and had a bunch of groupies. Total rock star, no matter what color he was.

[@jdj830]

@@thexalon The first two are correct, but while he did enjoy a few years of the rock star life in his late 20s, that faded quickly as he started going deaf in his 30s and he became reclusive. By his 40s most of his "groupies", sadly, were sycophantic, parasitic men who did such charming things as offer to "lend" Beethoven their wives to sleep with and recommend the best Viennese prostitutes. We know this because during his last decade he communicated through conversation books, where Beethoven would ask a question or make a comment and his guests would write down their responses. These books have survived, and a result we know the gruesome, icky details of how he talked with his buddies. His music may have transcended the earthly plane into the realms of the immortal, but his interactions with other humans on this plane definitely did not.

[@sr4triple7s27]

There was also Joseph Balogne. An excellent Swordsman and he used that ability to be great at the violin. From what I read Mozart used his style in some of his music. Some one talked about him as Saint George already.

[@3v3ryBaddi3sGotAStory]

I appreciate this, because no one talks about this in the music industry classes I'm taking, and the audio engineering/song writing jobs in America, are dominated by white men. But if black people brought/bring the culture....how is the latter possible? I already know the answer lol, but I hope others figure it out.🤦🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

[@deansheets]

Thanks for letting me know about these wonderfully talented people.

[@JoeHuman]

Wanna show some love right quick to Paul Robeson whose musical prowess was only equaled by his prolific community service. ✌🏾🤟🏾

[@rjwohlman]

You completely left out William Grant Still! Such a a great black composer. His third symphony is fantastic.

[@stefanhoimes]

He was the first African American conductor to conduct a major orchestra and also the first to have a symphony premiered.

[@rjwohlman]

@@stefanhoimes ...and an amazing fencer who was undefeated, even into his late 40s! What a cool dude.

[@mo_goal]

Loved this history lesson, and also is that a real phonebook??

[@thesoundsmith]

Yeah - from 1977! 😉

[@MotiviqueStudio]

I think of William Grant Still, among others.

[@j.frankparnell.radiation]

I love CP Time

[@henrytawnn8694]

They're some of the best recurring egments on the Daily Show. My favorite is Desi Lydec binge watching Fox News for us.

[@alexlandherr]

This ought to be a PBS show.

[@alexandradaniele]

Honorable mention to William Grant Still.

[@nab-rk4ob]

Thank you for highlighting these overlooked artists. You are the best.

[@craigslistreplies3485]

Despite the title, I 🤎 that Roy frequently uses the term African American ✊ Black is a color in the crayon box.

[@pluvia33]

"The first Mr. Steal Your Girl" almost made me spit my drink! XD

[@agnisumant]

@TwoSetViolin should definitely make a video like this highlighting classical musicians who may not have gotten the game they deserved due to discrimination.

[@stefanhoimes]

I'd love to see them play William Grant Still's violin suite.

[@22221mm]

Love, love, love CP time. Only thing missing for me in this segment was Bethoven's own Blackness. His mother was Afro-German. And also wish Roy would've not used the M word/uplifted the conversation about the derogatory nature of this term.

[@thanoswasright999]

Anyone who doesn't already listen to Roy's podcast (what's wrong with you) need to go listen to the March eps so you can hear his songs.....for the WIMMENS!

[@rebelforacause2589]

So grateful I witness this talent, can get this awesome entertainment at my fingertips!!?One of my favorite things in life❤️

[@Akilahfoye]

y'all forgot #JosephBoulogneChevalierdeSaintGeorges

[@alexiswelsh5821]

Thomas Jefferson did make his sons with the enslaved Sally Hemmings (who was the same age as his oldest daughter and was also his late wife's half-sister) learn how to play the violin.

[@odora_allan]

I always learn a lot...makes for great conversation at the next party 😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥 spread the word 🔥🔥

[@lorigoshert6667]

Oh, wow. This segment was much too short. Didn't even get to Ulysses Kay. Whoever is reading this, look him up and listen to him at work. You're welcome!

[@drressahAYNigisiti]

Thanks for the classical music lessons!

[@justbusiness01]

Love love love this segment. The Joe Jackson joke was so funny. Love all of the information given in a historical and entertaining way.

[@babyb7579]

st.yarde of ethiopian orthodox Who wrote all the books of hymn with there sound symbol. If u know i know u mention him at first He was lived in 14th century

[@Desaved]

Glad this is getting some attention. I would like it better if it wasn't centered around Whiteness. It matters more what the people thought of them rather than presidents, kings, or places of virtue. While it's important to play Carnegie Hall, it's more important to point to one's talents among peers or their journey to be outstanding. While Classical Music has a lot of roots in White culture, the instruments and what we call music and the definitions of art, are contemporary in the times in which they happened. The reason we need to know who they are is not for the sake of White people who knew of them, rather we should know them because of what their outstanding talents contributed to the art at the time.

[@surfgator8294]

"Maybe I should make one of these myself." Wickedly hilarious!

[@brianabraham8726]

Would maybe be interesting to do a CP Time not about a field where black people are often overlooked like classical music, but about a field where it's well known that black people had a big influence, like blues and jazz leading to rock and funk and how black musicians have formed the popular music as we know it today. Might not fit perfectly into the segment (or into 5 mins), but would be super interesting to hear more about :)

[@Echo81Rumple83]

Again, I feel old. The ol' how-to-get-to-Carnegie-Hall joke. Spoiler alert: Practice.

[@GarrickVaughanActor]

I'm sure someone in the comments have mentioned him but I wanna amplify and encourage people to look up Joseph Bologne aka Chevalier de Saint George who was a contemporary of Mozart's and even considered by many go be more talented a Composer and violinist.

[@davidjones7827]

Nice one Roy! Check out Julius Eastman when you have a chance.

[@johnchessant3012]

Can any violinists figure out what the sheet music is at 1:35?

[@dee7953]

As someone who aspires to be one of the next greatest black composers, I really appreciate this.

[@stephencarter744]

Why not aim to be one of the next greatest composers 'period'? There's a big world out there. Get off the plantation, dude.

[@TM-rk5dj]

Love this character of Roys’ and being educated at the same time

[@MTGMango]

Bridgtower sonata (krutzer)

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

You forgot to mention Jessye Norman and Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint George, but it's fine. I'm fine, everything's fine...😐

[@dorotakarpiel6717]

And Leontyne Price

[@CugnoBrasso]

Check out Julius Eastman, a minimalist composer. Absolute genius he was!

[@parthoroy9141]

Denyce Graves, too?

[@KevinP32270]

it's for the culture....HAAAAA

[@hbeachley]

I ❤️CP Time! I always learn something and it’s hilarious.

[@MrBibliotecario1]

Thanks for this episode of "CP Time," Mr. Wood. I really appreciated the inclusion of Portsmouth, Virginia native Sissieretta Jones - my 2x great-grandparents were living there around the time she was born in the 1860s. The city's Main Library has her photo up commemorating her accomplishments.

[@MrKingShyneAllDay]

They said RI... if she's from portsmouth VA then I wanna learn about her..4 I'm from there...

[@armandoucles5346]

I love and always look forward to Roy's CP Time. His face, mustache and voice is always on point.

[@josies5475]

And Florence Price!

[@TheVoyce]

LoL , u r Sick & Funny Roy

[@wizard841]

Don't forget, Beethoven was actually half black, despite his appearance in the painting. He hired a body double for that painting. His father was German but his mother was a Moor.

[@Artur_M.]

A correction; George Bridgetower was not born in Britain, but in Biała Podlaska, Poland. George's father was most likely a West Indian (Caribbean) man, who somehow found himself working at the court of wealthy Polish-Lithuanian aristocrat Prince Hieronim Wincenty Radziwiłł. The family moved to Britain when George was still very young.

[@jame2182]

Sheku Kanneh-Mason redemption song BOB Marley's Descendants Legitimate

[@judylynsinumrag755]

Hahaha.. for the first few seconds, I wasn't listening, I'm looking at Roy's mustache 😃😃😃😃😃

[@rastolewandowski9721]

Bach and Chopin? While, yes, being skilled players, their fame rose from composing rather than from performing. And, oops shucks!, neither of them were classical musicians, the former being of the baroque, the latter of the romantic epoque. I was admittedly reluctant to post this but did so anyway...fo the culture.

[@KeleWele23]

Roland Hayes is also the grandfather to recently deceased twins Igor & Grichka Bogdanoff. Their maternal grandmother, a countess, conceived their mother Maya during an extramarital affair that lasted years! Christopher A. Brooks series "Roland Hayes & the Countess" is very interesting.

[@fingersfinesilver]

I'm a white European and I knew these guys - and you didn't mention Chevalier de Saint-Georges - Was it because he was French?

[@AnnieWarbux]

Wow! Thank You!😁 Always looking for the "New Classic" in my life and there's alot to catch up on.🧐

[@DarkwingsDesending]

I don't know if it would be considered classical music, but we have African Americans to thank for the ragtag music that you'd hear in old western salloons.

[@mlggamer5296]

That's a weird sort of tribute by Beethoven. Yeah he is known for how things sound but how do you not make that sound offensive?

[@friedfish69]

More? This is way better than all the earnest "stop ignoring people who get ignored" stuff.

[@sammyjacksonofhollywood1245]

black people, brought classical music to Europe.

[@mattgies]

Shouldn't he wear a terrible fake beard to match the terrible fake moustache?

[@jscotthatcher380]

that mustache be a mirror.

[@victoria-r.g682]

My real name is Maphisto Bolognese… definitely

[@EMNstar]

Roy looks so adorable in his high chair profile shots

[@lydiad3575]

with roy leaving will we still get CP time w/ him on some other network? :( :(

[@skylerdickson2939]

I cant hear anything youre saying over the sound of that mustache.

[@bcb7443]

Roy: Luv the mustache !👨🏾‍🦰

[@alexandergreen7230]

0:56😭😭😭😭😭 the cut to backhand almost killed me

[@RabenFlueh]

If I didn't know, now I know! Thanks ❤️😎❤️

[@shelleyharris9349]

Frickin Classic 😅😇😎✌️💛🎶🎼

[@Domdrok]

I love Roy. His latest stand up special is fantastic.

[@Jelzz]

Ok. I am so late to this, but thank you! As much as I love the typical classical music, I happened to have a professor enlighten me about some of these same composers and performers. It can be so isolating being a black person studying classical music. I'm not goin to get into all of that here. But what I will say is, it's never a requirement to talk about the black contribution to classical music, and that one professor made an effort knowing that, and I will always be thankful for that. So to see that subject HERE?! Amazing. Thank you again 💓

[@youssoufkane9455]

Watching CP time from West Africa !! I love CP time cause for it for culture. You forgot about le Chevalier de Saint-Georges. Great French composer, one of the best fencer of his time , adored by the French bourgeoisie( specially women).

[@onewhogetsbread9975]

Why no mention of Chevalier

[@MichaelLorenz]

But Beethoven was black, wasn't he?

[@k.j.paasche6523]

I took piano lessons from age 5 to 18 and not one teacher ever taught me about black classical musicians. Now in my 60s, I still play and am looking forward to learning about the music of these and other musicians. Thanks, Roy! BTW, great cameo on "Only Murders in the Building" on Hulu. :)

[@bianca-sg8zq]

Wow..haven't heard the name Sissieretta Jones since college music history class. Next segment should talk about how Chopin and Mozart were influenced by spirituals. Excellent and thank you!

[@emaarredondo-librarian]

George Bridgetower is mentioned and appears briefly (an actor/musician plays him) in Immortal Beloved, a movie about Ludwig von Beethoven, with Gary Oldman.

[@shpilbass5743]

How can you talk about black classical musicians without mentioning Joseph Bologne, Chavalier de Saint George aka "the Black Mozart"

[@suzawilo]

I mean what is Easter without culture🤔

[@surfgator8294]

"You take the Jew train to 52nd street!"

[@nedludd7622]

Maybe you have already done it, but if not, why not a look at important Black writers like Puskin and Dumas and others?

[@keenenmolina7561]

Daily Show more Roy please

[@nyya0509]

I can’t like this enough

[@Jatin19902]

thanks a lot, much needed

[@km-uc2wb]

How is that mustache so shiny?!

[@schwindsichtigaderechte5293]

Thanks Roy Wood jr. for broadening my musical horizon!

[@fabc1966]

I will be listening to all these musicians over the weekend! So fun to discover new old music made by POC

[@rainydaylady6596]

The only thing that would make this better was to play some of the music. 🤗🖖💕

[@nugboy420]

Lol Roy Wood Jr. I know all about this topic but so glad to hear what you have to say about it

[@grantbrown3647]

...and Wynton Marsalis.

[@ChefOutis]

Outis

[@shelleyharris9349]

Peace out🙏✌️😎😅😇

[@shelleyharris9349]

6:11 rmT116 🎻🥁💛😇😇✝️☮️🙏

[@patcomerford5596]

A very short list.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Awesome 😎

[@chita4114]

For the cultcha!