CPU and GPU from an XBOX One S... in a PC!

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[@MeDicen_Rocha]

This is just testament of how well optimized console games can be when they only have to work on _one_ hardware.

[@Saintbow]

More like how games are dialed down, forcing computers to be handicapped to allow consoles to reach 30 fps or maybe 60 fps. Last 8 years in gaming has forced computers to play with one hand behind their back, just so they won't out gun consoles. You can play Halo MC edition on a quad core Phenom II. That is pretty sad when you really consider the technology at the release of some of the Halo games.

[@nocturnal0072]

@@Saintbow I would say it's a bit of both. Kinda like the tricky being done with the nintendo switch today.

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

@@Saintbow If they weren't kept in line then we would have more games like Crysis Remastered and Arkham Knight that were unoptimised on PC and require a GPU 3x the cost of a PS4.

[@chubbysumo2230]

@@Saintbow games on a console can take advantage of direct hardware programming. meaning that they don't have to work between OS and drivers to get the hardware to do the work, and that leads to a huge performance improvement over a "pc" style computer with hardware interposer drivers with a software OS to deal with. Just going straight to hardware is massive performance gains.

[@adamskyj69]

@@Saintbow With respect the PC would still be running Doom / Quake / Unreal rip offs without consoles because PC gaming alone doesn't fund the cost of bigger game title developments such as Grand Theft Auto, Assasins Creed, Watchdog, Fifa, Call of Duty...... There is a reason why most developers prioritise their console versions for release.

[@johnwohlheter601]

I went to NZXT and set a budget of $250. Then I started to hear a laughing sound from the web site, and my PC crashed.

[@SamriddhaBasu]

😭

[@midnightshade32]

Not like any gpu would be in stock anyway.

[@asdfasdf-yn9by]

@@fuxyews2177 thought about using a used xeon?

[@JackLowry]

fux yews go with a ryzen 3 3300g, it’ll perform pretty similar to a 1050ti and it’ll handle e sports games no problem at 1080p, plus a GPU upgrade down the line would be drop in

[@JackLowry]

@@fuxyews2177 here's a list I made for £350 so it's slightly over but it's good for 1080p and is easily upgradable uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yyCPz7

[@Cheese-n-Cake16]

This SOC does not use any form of the Bulldozer architecture; it uses the Jaguar/Bobcat core which is a low power core that was used in the AM1 platform, cheap laptops, the PS4, and the Xbox One Series. These cores were designed to compete with Atoms from the time where the Jaguar/Bobcat creamed the Atoms

[@davidereverberi5279]

I have one of those with 4 core and 2 gpu compute unit (athlon 5350) and for 35$ it is an exellent htpc, emulator and retro gaming machine.

[@zetsubou3704]

@@davidereverberi5279 I had the Sempron 2650, truly horrible chip imo. I upgraded to the Athlon 3000G for good.

[@HeyItsJonny]

@@davidereverberi5279 same, I have a 5350 build running vista for 'vintage' games. Paired with a gtx265

[@Web720]

Holy crap! I didn't realize how fucking bad those cores were on the consoles. I mean I knew they were shit, but didn't knew they were THAT shit.

[@ZombieBarioth]

Bobcat/Jaguar is Bulldozer, the AM1 APUs used 4th gen excavator if I remember right, so they're actually 1-2 gens ahead of their desktop counterparts, its just well...their clock speed.

[@thekrautist]

"It was a slideshow the entire time", he says. I distinctly recall sixteen-year-old-me playing Crashday at that sort of framerate. Heh.

[@CraftComputing]

I played the original Wolfenstein at that frame rate. It was either that or a 2" wide window.

[@thekrautist]

@@CraftComputing That's unfair. Wolfenstein 3D was banned here until last year so I couldn't have had that experience if I'd tried!

[@mycosys]

@@thekrautist German? i was kinda astonished to find pretty much every game form my childhood was effectively banned there lol

[@thekrautist]

​@@mycosys Yep. And a lot of things that weren't banned were censored instead. Such fun.

[@mikek92]

@@thekrautist So now , you can get a PS5 and still enjoy censorship...

[@NormGrimm80]

Thank you Jeff. You saved me the pain of buying one. I was eyeing one of these to play with.

[@perdomot]

Wow, a Raspberry Pi would be an upgrade. LOL

[@contytub]

... this is a different architecture ... with a dedicated aplication the rpi wouldn't have a chance ...

[@chesq-1557]

i think it's kinda obvious that the installed OS is the problem here. the xbox one s is more than capable of running stuff in a fairly decent way, but it's not designed/optimized architecturally to work with the software provided. instruction sets might be interpreted as they shouldn't as far as we know so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@donovan6320]

@@chesq-1557 It's an X86 CPU, it's no different than the CPU you've got your current PC build? The instructions are roughly the same the only things that should change are the vendor specific and tech specific ones. The chip is just as at home as a ryzen 5 3600...

[@donovan6320]

@@chesq-1557 I should also point down that the xbox 1X OS has been carefully curated to its hardware and design decisions were made to circumvent the hardware's own shortcomings... Just because the Xbox One S shows the chip in the best possible light does not mean the issue is with other components. It just is really really not a good CPU these days...

[@chesq-1557]

@@donovan6320 i mean... it kinda does I get than an FX-8xxx is not the most ideal CPU, but this just goes to show that if a fairly old CPU, when properly optimized, can serve as a decent gaming machine meeting budget constraints and performance requirements, optimization is a REALLY overlooked part of mainstream hardware-software implementations (mainly due to the enormous variety there is within hardware than can run on the same software) same things that happens with most Android devices. Android is the equivalent to a PC, an iPhone is the equivalent of a console as in a PC can reach more performance than a console, but the fact that consoles only really deal with some specific hardware makes curating the hardware-software mix a key aspect of it all EDIT: typo

[@heasterian2508]

I think that with this custom GPU you could try Linux with open source drivers. It's always worth a try with unussual cases or old AMD cards that can run Windows games better than on Windows with old drivers.

[@playingwithtrainerspcmt6407]

I seen this concept on The linus channel Looks like you’ll beat him to the build

[@theinfinity2994]

Yeah I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video about this motherboard

[@andremalerba5281]

Yeap, I think Linus said something about this MOBO+CPU on one of the WAN Shows, but they never went forward with the build! I was waiting for someone to work on this one!

[@detroxx56784]

They bought one (AFAIK), but as we all know LTT, they need ages to make a video. Sometimes it can literally take months before it shows up in a video.

[@andremalerba5281]

@@detroxx56784 Anthony is probably debugging everything ATM LOL

[@andrewgarcia3136]

Doesnt look like this board is worth touching

[@danielauen7790]

Such a curious little dumpsterfire of a board.

[@danielauen7790]

I wonder how windows xp woulkd run on it, Im guessing not, but still curious. maybe linux gaming would do better?

[@jahluu6825]

@@danielauen7790 linux would probably be better tbh

[@TheAnoniemo]

Doesn't this have 8 Jaguar low power cores, not Bulldozer?

[@TheAnoniemo]

@@juanignacioaschura9437 Yes, but actually no.

[@robertt9342]

@Juan Ignacio Aschura . You are incorrect. They are different architecutures. The underpinning you refer to is IP that AMD used separately in both bulldozer and Bobcat. There is even an article by Anandtech that goes through the improvements from Bobcat to Jaguar and they also discuss the difference between the architectures. Not sure how these myths persists.

[@davidcazares7441]

@@juanignacioaschura9437 It's basically a revised low power version bobcat, so not bulldozer.

[@RubyRoks]

This really makes me wish consoles came in a caseless, kind of reverse barebones kit for a decreased price.

[@contytub]

I second to that. I have a lot of consoles where i use only the board in various places

[@emaadkhan3031]

The price would actually be increased, especially looking at the new consoles.

[@InnuendoXP]

Kinda makes me wish you could pay extra for a version of the console you could set up to dualboot Windows or Linux on.

[@VadelGame]

That's not consumer friendly. When you give too much options to clients, they won't buy anything.

[@InnuendoXP]

@@VadelGame so a 2nd option is 'too many'? What about smartphones & televisions then? Do you want the LG BX, GX, GX or WX? 48", 55", 65", 75"? Or perhaps you'd prefer a screen from the quantum dot LED range?

[@rackslow]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[@ztheintrovert9207]

you too!

[@deitrickorullian505]

I love how the beer in the glass slowly decreases with each shot

[@hababacon]

The XB1 GPU is a cutdown AM 7790, it has 768 instead of 896 with 12 active CUs instead of 14. The CPU is a close and it goes to show what developers are going through to optimize down to a processor this week.

[@David_Phantom]

I have a question: how is the performance in Linux? Maybe the AMD drivers for Linux are better?

[@realJackMyers]

Did you try running Linux on this board? You may get better performance (and fewer bugs) with the open-source AMD Linux GPU drivers.

[@CraftComputing]

Yeah, I'm considering taking PopOS for a spin on it.

[@TheAugeX]

There is one russian guy who tested it earlier(Shipping faster to russia) and hes getting better performance on windows. Im curious to know if this is driver difference or something

[@fabianaguilar3537]

@@CraftComputing I'm a daily Linux user and I have used PopOS extensively. Do not use that distro on this machine. Gnome is great in my opinion, on modern machines. It's going to run like crap on this thing.

[@BoingoInstaller]

@@TheAugeX If you talking about maddymurk, probably yes, maybe worth a try to install his drivers

[@Boborjan1986]

@@CraftComputing i would actually recommend for something lighter. Even only just to have terminal for first to check if the system see the hardware, and step by step building from that base. PopOS is a nice distro, but i would rather go with a more tinkering option, gentoo or arch to have the bare access first.

[@Saintbow]

My man, you just saved me money! I was looking at one of these as a throwback pc but was waiting to see someone else spend money first and tell me it was a waste. Bullet Dodged!

[@alexferguson8893]

Jeff, thank you so much for making this video. I have known about this motherboard for a couple months now, but I have been waiting on a review of it before buying it and am now very happy I did.

[@danielberrett2179]

Sounds like the board would be better suited as the device receiving the stream.

[@paulstubbs2778]

yeah, a stream ....... of bullets

[@GAMIR_SFM]

Looks like someone haven't watched the video... the thing can't encode video!

[@Wren6858]

@@GAMIR_SFM dude. You don't need a video encoder to play video. If the board can watch KZbin or Twitch, it can receive a video feed.

[@plainoldturkey4069]

I was under the impression that you were taking an Xbox 1 S apart and putting that into a PC build.

[@jackandeson6302]

Same

[@anwin4505]

Yes im looking for a vid like that cos my cpu and graphic card are trash im wondering if i can upgrade using xbox 1s parts

[@anwin4505]

@HoloKola like mother made for specifically for ot

[@nap8187]

If I remember correctly these chips don't use anything from the bulldozer family but 2 clusters of 4 Puma CPU cores modules with the CPUs. Remember the shorted lived FM1 CPUs? Basically those but doubled up. So it's a true 8 core 8 threaded CPU. Otherwise in their typical laptop 4 core chips they were competing with Intel Atom CPUs. It reminds of when Jim Keller joined AMD, he was quoted to have said something along the lines of "Gonna make the best of AMD has to offer" and said article said they might reuse what they can. Then when Zen came out with the CCX modules being a thing it reminded me of the last gen Consoles and their 2 clusters of 4 cpus.

[@mizhimo]

I will be interested if it can run Linux and how it performs? Maybe the Linux Kernel could give a little more love to that exotic APU.

[@damonmcclellan7896]

Thats actually a really good idea. I feel a lot of this apus problem is drivers and maybe open source ones would work well.

[@ryanpatton1795]

Been subscribed to the channel since you had maybe 25k subs. The channel is growing in a good way, there is just something I love about beer and computers. By the way, I love the cheap components reviews. Maybe some more cheap gaming pc builds, or turning a prebuilt cheapo into a gamer. You know, for us peasants out here. Thanks man!

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

I remember you mentioned this on a talking heads episode If only the series X had a desktop windows mode...

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

Oh well, after watching the video, it´s a bummer it didn´t work, and really makes you wonde what are those guys over there on China thinking, making such strange combinations. I wonder if with some chinese software you could "fully unlock" it

[@shadowhound5113]

The sad part is that the Xbox would be the best system ever if it ran windows 10. All that Microsoft would have to do is add a console mode that only lets you buy games from the App Store. Are you playing games? No mom I am typing a report on my Xbox. Lol

[@shkkrimp7344]

@@shadowhound5113 it would just pe any other pc then

[@Web720]

@@shadowhound5113 Yeah, I think at the VERY LEAST, Windows 10 S support.

[@unknownwill4th549]

@@shadowhound5113 or microsoft should just make consoles that run Windows. That would sell like hot cakes

[@awnordma]

If there were compatible drivers this would make for a sold XP retro system. There are drivers for the Kaveri APUs and Bonaire GPUs, both are based on the same GCN2 architecture as that.

[@kjell-thoreheimdal7526]

THIS is why I like your videos. I guessed all of your problems the moment you started talking about the motherboard. I once owned a laptop with jaguar cores, its a miracle the ps4 and xbone even run modern games!

[@nbrowser]

This man, playing with the hardware we think about...and taking one for the team in the process....thanks Jeff for being the ultimate "lab rat'!

[@MrNside]

One thing to note, Xbox One uses GDDR 5 (or 4, can't remember) so it will likely be faster than DDR 3, but not THAT much faster. This really is a good example of how games can be optimized for dedicated hardware. RDR2 gets 30 FPS on that APU in an Xbox. Now, just think of what they will be able to do with the new Zen2/RDNA2 chips inside the newest console generation, and what hardware you will need in a PC to keep up in 2 or 3 years.

[@Ghennesph]

The first half of the video I was just laughing at the idea of a FX APU getting 60fps consistently in anything modern.

[@ghomerhust]

technically, the FX had no APU, that was a different architecture all together, something that the FM platform handled instead of the AM3+ platform. the FX chips, on the later end of the time scale, werent too terrible if you had the cooling to do an overclock. i ran an 8350 at 5.0ghz for almost 7 years straight, and it played most games on high or ultra settings without much issue, though it was sitting at its max of 60-65C the whole time.

[@Ghennesph]

@@ghomerhust I know for a fact that a 5GHz 8350 would struggle with multiple games at more than 40fps, because on a 4GHz 960T, those games don't scale past 2 cores and struggle to hit even 30fps consistently in some parts. Games that favored K10.5 over Piledriver in performance. Also because I managed to convince someone with a newer, faster architecture from one of the later Athlon FM2 CPUs to do a FPS test in one of the games I knew to perform poorly, that they insisted ran fine, and it ran exactly how I said it would, 40~50, with a scene they conveniently omitted with the excuse of "nothing is going on there so of course it runs fine lol" being guaranteed to drop below 40 on that CPU. And that was far from the worst game for that CPU. That was downright average for that CPU for years. It was pretty dang terrible. The only saving grace was it handled 6+ thread stuff well enough that it could sometimes almost look competitive with the quadcore quadthread Intel CPUs it was released against, and actually priced above, assuming that you ignored 90% of the market at that time, and also ignored the higher power draw that would see most people actually spending more in the long run on the FX than a Core i7 of it's competing generation. It was actually that bad.

[@madmax2069]

I was laughing is his thought that they was an FX CPU, which they aren't, they're a modified Jaguar APU. It's basically two AMD Athlon 5350s put together to get 8 cores. And a modified GPU a lot more powerful than the stock R3 8400m that came in the 5350.

[@Ghennesph]

Sorry, you're right, it's a cut-down low-power oriented branch of the FX series' microarchitecture. So, not only is it an architecture where a 5ghz 8core struggles, but it's clocked at ~2ghz? And has even lower IPC. There was never any way it would do 60fps. I'd be surprised if it managed 30, given that's what Borderlands dipped to sometimes on a 4ghz higher-ipc chip.

[@madmax2069]

@@Ghennesph the Jaguar APU doesn't share anything with the FX series, so no, its not a cut down version of the FX series.

[@dylanlivingston5024]

I’m waiting for a 2080ti low profile edition so I can build a sleeper pc in my Xbox from 2004 lol

[@gkirmathal]

This thing is soo quirky I find it interesting. A few questions. Have you tried out any Linux distribution? Perhaps this never released APU's GPU is included into the Mesa driver stack by default, who knows perhaps it runs fine in Linux? Also would it be able to modify the bios to unlock options that could increase power limits, clocks & voltages of this apu? I'd reckon it'll score a bit better if it ran at higher clocks.

[@Boborjan1986]

Its a big fat question. Since the CPu wasnt designed with high power (Jaguar cores), it might be on its best performance anyway. Whats more of an option to improve is actually the IGP/GPU side, plus its probable the hardware video encoder/decoder is present on the hardware, but the win driver cant address it, since it does not now where to look for it. It would be a good thing to check under linux, with someone who actually have a good idea about the kernel.

[@detroxx56784]

I think you should give it a try with some sort of Linux OS. It was pretty obvious that Windows 10 wouldn't really work that well. Maybe you could even get the GPU drivers running under Linux (if there are any for Linux).

[@SirSicCrusader]

I wish I had your optimism... I'm surprised the thing booted at all, your expectations were wild haha

[@TheRobMozza]

I guess this video sums up a bad day at the office Jeff, sorry to hear this but thanks for informing us of everything that happened.

[@amdintelxsniperx]

the amd apus in 2013 and 2014 were pretty good . ipc they were on par with intel cpus however lacked l3 cache and core count which is what hurt them . amd should have released a 8 core version for fm2

[@BeeWhere]

Great video, Thank you for sharing all your adventures on aliexpress. When I lived in China as an English teacher I built myself a budget build from Taobao. The pentium g3258 has a single score of 129 and I remember the struggle.

[@ClintTheriault]

Driver support might actually be better on Linux. Try it with Mint XFCE, MESA (with ACO) and the kernel bootflag to enable radv for that series GPU. Maybe even install TwisterOS on top of it to get a nice Windows skin on it. It'll still be slow as balls, but it should at least get vulkan support. While it'll still probably suck, it'll be interesting to see if it'll be any faster than the broken windows drivers. It'll also let you get another video out of that board.

[@TwinkleNZ]

"So you have the same cpu and gpu hardware from an Xbox One S." "Yes." "And you can put it in an Xbox One S chassis." "Yes." "And it performs similar to an actual Xbox One S." "Yes." "So it's an Xbox One S." "No, it's a pc." *[Visible confusion]*

[@1992jkwj]

"Ali Express" oh this wont end well edit: ouch

[@michael7738]

Jep.. I'm following this channel for a few weeks now and it occurs quite often that the words "Ali Express" and "doa" appear shortly after each other. :-D

[@Ckhpo]

I think the video needs the preamble statement, "Warning: As much as I wanted this build to work... it doesn't"

[@jfahrner7795]

"How was your day?" LOL great video! Love the video work Jeff!

[@gravypod]

Can you do a performance test of the PC version of Cyberpunk 2077 when it comes out? It would be interesting to see what FPS/quality you can squeeze out of the system.

[@CraftComputing]

I can give you the results now. Average: 0 1% Low: 0 0.1% Low: -65535

[@kramnull8962]

Most of us were eager to see you mount a Noctua NH-D15 inside the Xbox case, just because it would fit that motherboard...

[@madmax2069]

That's not a FX CPU, that's a modified Jaguar APU. The 5350 at 2.05ghz R15 single core score of 44, and multi core score of 162, and with it being clocked lower and having more cores the scores pretty much checks out and seems to basically be dual 5350 (8 cores).

[@durantvoltor5005]

Console users 2013-2020 BTFO eternally

[@happysmash27]

I wonder how Linux would run on that board, since it should have different graphics drivers. Would it recognise the GPU?

[@Banner1986]

This was my life for 2 months while I tried to find out which engineering sample chips actually had any real world value when the first gen scalables were just starting to get retired to the second hand market lol. I feel your pain!

[@littlebigcarrot]

Just found my new favorite channel

[@eastcoastmodz5195]

I bought in 2017 a pre-built PC from Fingerhut, an online catalog company, who sells Cybertron PC's. The pre-built had a terrible PSU that would not give stable power draw to the parts in the PC case. Speaking of which was a Asus motherboard AM3 with a FX 4100 processor, 8GB of 1600Mhz DDR3 single dimm, a Gigabyte 2GB Windforce GPU and a 1TB WD blue hard drive. Let's just say after years of dealing with BSOD and multiple crashes I upgraded him to a Ryzen 3600 processor, Seasonic 750w PSU, 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4 memory, Gigabyte B450 Motherboard and a Gigabyte 1660 Super 6GB video card. He has been happy ever since.

[@WASD-MVME]

and you probably paid 5x the price for that junk you should know not to buy a pc through fingerhut jesus man

[@Peter_Sutherland]

If you watch the video and skip through it, then you can see the beer slowly shrinking

[@AshenTechDotCom]

one problem you can run into, is the APU's NEEEEED higher speed ram.1600 is slow as snot for gfx use...

[@greenprotag]

Thanks for the shout out. I am glad it went to a good home ^_^

[@greenprotag]

I appreciate your suffering. Your sacrifice will not go unremembered.

[@r5LgxTbQ]

when I heard you were going to try to use it as a gaming PC even at 720p... bless your heart

[@cal1co_]

So, if this is apparently the same exact architecture as the xbox one s, does that mean you could technically run the xbox one OS on this system?

[@rixzin5046]

What we're all waiting to see

[@KiraSlith]

If it's any consolation, these boards are now a rare curio who's value is entirely un-measureable. If you still have both of these, they could be worth twice the coin you paid for them if you can find a collector...

[@JonPYbanez]

sorry to hear about your experience. as someone that tried to build a PS2pc with an a8-7600, I already knew where you were headed with this one.

[@gibant1]

I love how geeks like you and I find excuses to build new systems that we clearly don't need.

[@carlolalattacosterbosa5821]

finally a decent review of this motherboard/cpu ... I have seen it on aliexpres a while ago, but noone review'd yet... THANKS

[@mscd9676]

cool project, nice your channel really hiroshima'd up after LTT's mentions 😁

[@kyleb2044]

First thing I thought is... The one S is very slow and how are you going to find drivers. A modern APU is way faster CPU, plus likely faster GPU. Then I watch a video talking about hardware headaches, driver issues, and how it's ultra slow. Awesome that you got it to kind of work.

[@ItsFnek]

There's a high pitched noise between <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="680">11:20</a> and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="720">12:00</a>. Don't know what it is, but i wanted to let you know

[@kornelko18]

Hey dude, I am not sure what you was talking about. But I am definetely sure taht going to have a beer!

[@kborak]

A court ruling does not change the architecture. Cores are defined by the manufacturer. They were 8 core parts.

[@effexon]

This reminds me of .... getting small innocent looking device, which soon causes chain reaction and soon it has spawned into many full fledged desktop pc's.

[@CraftComputing]

It is what I do best. My cloud gaming server started with 3x $40 cards, and wound up with me buying an Epyc 7601, SP3 motherboard and 256GB of DDR4 😂😂😭

[@effexon]

@@CraftComputing you can soon run google and youtube there locally :p

[@Smoke2ThinkOn]

Keep Killing it Cuz. glad your doin well! Watchin you on here reminds me of playing Incredible Machine on your dad's old computer when we were kids.

[@sysdrum]

You had two beers... I watched to the end... but no review... I was sad panda...

[@DanDan-fu6sd]

I've lost count of all those weekends wasted on projects like this. This was a painful to watch as I have PTSD from projects like this. Just think of all the "fun" you had. Although, just think of all the knowledge you gained! Nice vid and thank you for your service sir.

[@darien217]

Linux gaming has advanced beyond what it was many years back, it might be worth installing Linux Mint or another Linux OS on that board and testing it out. Very interesting and entertaining video none the less.

[@CraftComputing]

....I've done multiple videos about the state of gaming on Linux. I also mentioned in this video it is FAR better than it ever has been. There are still deal breakers with Linux from an end-user perspective.

[@masterTigress96]

This might have been interesting to someone (indie game studio or junior game dev) that wanted to get into game development for the Xbox/PS* but didn't have the money to get an actual dev kit. Although makes you wonder, is there no way to sideload your own games on a regular Xbox/PS? You could install a Unix derivative (PS4/5 uses BSD I believe) and test your Unity or Unreal games on actual, real hardware that is used in the Xbox/PS. I guesstimate that Linux has better driver support for this then Windows, would have been interesting to see. I can hear people say, use a virtual machine or emulator or something, but 1) emulators are not a thing yet for this generation of consoles, and 2) how would you emulate the incredibly slow Jaguar CPU cores and GPU combo in a VM? It is weird however that the motherboard in question has separate memory banks instead of soldered on GDDR* memory that the actual Xbox and PS uses. Makes me wonder if this "custom" APU chip is a lot more conventional that we think.

[@RedMageGaming]

Never expect ali express to actually deliver what is promised.

[@zarkov821]

i wonder what will happen if you spill your beer, over your pc componenets, hah bu nice vid

[@shadymaint1]

A used Ryzen APU on a A320 board would run circles around that thing. Used parts were way cheaper pre covid though.

[@JoeRafferty0]

Very interesting, amazed at the optimisations that the console devs must be pulling off. Really puts the complaintsabout the jaguar/bobcat cpus in context. One thing, what about Linux? Perhaps there could be better driver support there.

[@darylm1667]

Have you tried to install Linux and test this? Just a thought as from some documents amd apu work better than they used to.. not sure if would make to much of a difference in compatible games but may for desktop performance.

[@adey88splace]

What an unfortunate adventure for you with this piece of hardware. good luck with future endeavours.

[@TheLoveRub]

Parsec will change your desktop resolution to match the client it is streaming to.

[@zanewhiting4289]

I mean seeing this is also a huge testament to the software engineering on consoles that enables this to run modern games way better than it does here

[@NecroFlex]

But...you don't need to specifically allocate ram to the iGPU, it takes however much it needs. The allocation part is only for how much ram it'll reserve even before launching a game, that's what you see in windows, when you have fx. 16GB of ram and it shows up as 15,8GB, 256MB is pre-allocated to the iGPU. When the iGPU needs it, it'll go over those 256MB of pre-allocated ram and start taking more. System ram is system ram, if it needs it, it'll take it regardless. There is no option to "lock" the amount of ram it can take since it's dedicated by windows and the drivers. Unless they somehow fucked over the bios, there's no way they could have locked it to a max ram availability, since it still should take what it needs when it hits the "max" ceiling.

[@thrackerzod8347]

Get a last gen ryzen and cheap b450 throw a 1050 on it you should be golden for your streaming system.

[@suppenkelle3879]

Or you just buy an old i5 (2400,2500,3470,3570) and a GTX 960. With these parts you shouldn't get over 120€.

[@thrackerzod8347]

@@suppenkelle3879 I was thinking about like a 2200 or something but sure an old i5 will do the trick too.

[@mrveink]

!!!NOTE!!! Normal coolers won't work because there's no IHS which causes that any third party cooler won't actually get in touch with the APU

[@AndreiNeacsu]

This lesson teaches a very important lesson: driver support! I know that it's not exactly the same apples to apples comparison now, but it's still a reasonable analogy. Back in my day, when the 3Dfx Voodoo 1 released, it was not the most powerful 3D accelerator (spec-wise was equal to the slow S3 Virge at 50Megapixels/second, 50Megatexels/second, twice the RAM bandwidth, and missing the 2D part entirely), but it was demonstrably the fastest, with the best drivers and very good API support. The performance delivered was ranging from twice as fast to eight times as fast (compared to the S3 Virge) in the games that ran on both and infinitely faster in the games that did not support the competition. This is the power of drivers support and if S3 had done a better job, it would have been able to keep at least half as fast as the Voodoo 1 at 512x348.

[@phr3dmcc0y]

I'm a bit of a newcomer to your channel but i like your stuff. i did notice the occasional playback sttttttttttttutter. i was wondering if anyone else noticed it too.

[@hammersti3n540]

saw this on aliexpress and knew u couldn't resist a weird motherboard combo was just waiting for the vid .. well done

[@JessicaFEREM]

I wish prebuilt manufacturers would use a PicoPSU instead of building the PSU into the motherboard (laptop PSU on a desktop). at least then it's still upgradable.

[@kady5991]

My one complaint about this video is that the CPU is definitely not bulldozer. It's not comparable to an 8120; it'd be more comparable to two AM1 5150 or 5350 slapped together. The Jaguar architecture relies on "traditional" CPU design and not CMT like bulldozer (and it's various descendants used) Edit: The Cinebench scores aren't too surprising. The IPC of the AM1 platform was about on par with the Q6600, and even that was pushing it. Jaguar was meant to compete moreso with the low-power multicore atom line, maybe especially Avoton

[@ondrejbrandejsky5592]

A 3GHz Q6600 gets 320points in R15 for me tho, so its actually better

[@darunealbane]

I have a 2nd gen that needs a bit of work (needs a teardown and power removed) known issue Not using it will donate if you want it

[@kingcody1800]

I’ll take it if you are willing to donate! :)

[@darunealbane]

@@kingcody1800 he replied 😝

[@SonGoku-ep4wj]

go sell it instead of giving it to someone lol

[@needsLITHIUM]

That single core score is Dennis. He's not old, and he's calling for everyone to see the violence inherent in the system, help, help, he's being repressed.

[@erik5309]

Rorhbach space kitty is great beer, always excited to see a little bit of Rochester out in the wild.

[@dtwistrewind7361]

Not really an Apple's for Apple's test was it, most of the hardware,cpu memory are vastly under spec. A pc is jack of all trades and master of a few, but a console is designed from the ground up to do one thing play games.

[@117TheWolf]

Ok, I’m going to need a source on that confident claim about the A9-9820 being the Xbone S’s chip. That claim has been thrown around left and right in speculation, but the CU count discrepancy would seem to disprove it. This should probably have an unproven disclaimer on it. I am interested in seeing where you got your graphics drivers though, as I hit a huge roadblock when the driver package provided by the AliExpress seller didn’t include them.

[@brandondavey2398]

This is why inwas a console gamer for so long, nothing like having your games run beautifully and pretty smooth for under 400 bucks.. you seriously cant beat that, especially now that you cant mod anymore, making consoles the ultimate gaming experience for real gamers. ( i have a 3080 rig and i still love my xbox one x, plays just as good as the latest xbox and Playstation, my computer has water cooling snd still cant touch my xbox in terms of graphics/performance ratio)

[@billgatesisinmybussy4938]

I have no idea what happened in this video, but thank you for the background noise... I guess...

[@vollkerball1]

since that APU was design to work wik GDDR and not normal ram, that would be a major problem in performance

[@davadoff]

12v 20A is a ridiculous rating for that plastic PSU and it’s probably unsafe too. 10A sustained would be a lot and would be pushing the limits of those standard barrel connectors…

[@victorlosse1074]

I'm not sure if others will share my curiosity but I would enjoy seeing a video looking at your PXE Boot Server. I'm guessing you have a DIY Linux based solution. I'm wondering if you have ever looking into and compared to using a product like Serva running on Windows.

[@behrendninja]

I just noticed the floppy disc drink coaster and must applaud that.

[@NexXxus86]

You still can't compare both APUs. Microsoft and both Sony are using custom chips with more cores and as well as RAM with higher bandwith.

[@shinjisan2015]

It has a PCIE slot.... add one of the latest GT710 with 1x PCIE connector. Another thing to try, see if you can install the XBox OS on the system, max out the RAM and compare the performance in XBox games to a genuine console.

[@bluegizmo1983]

Just because that chinese low volume board/apu is using the standard Intel cooler mounting does not mean you can use any cooler. Since that's a bga CPU and not a normal socket chip, I'd be willing to bet the CPU height from the board is different... Probably why they supplied they're own cooler.

[@DaffyTheDuck42029]

Yo you should put the xbox series s cpu and gpu, as well as the storage if possible, in a pc's motherboard that is compatible to make a powerful 2022 budget gaming pc build maybe add a super good budget gpu like the rx 6600 for even more power to beat the xbox series s at its own game 😎