New subscriber here!🙋♀️ Just getting materials together to start mixed media and you truly inspire me! 51 years old and starting a new hobby!
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to my channel! I’m so glad you’re here! ❤️
@crosbycorey71663 жыл бұрын
You prolly dont care at all but does anyone know of a method to log back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid lost the account password. I appreciate any help you can give me!
@kabirstetson50963 жыл бұрын
@Crosby Corey Instablaster :)
@crosbycorey71663 жыл бұрын
@Kabir Stetson thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take a while so I will reply here later with my results.
@crosbycorey71663 жыл бұрын
@Kabir Stetson it worked and I finally got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thank you so much, you saved my account :D
@sharontilyard9494 жыл бұрын
I love how this journal has come together Gayle!!! I do love how you just pull everything together using already made ephemera. TFS!!! Hugs, Sharon 🌷💜
@DianeClancy4 жыл бұрын
this was fun to see the ephemera "we" made go into the journal!! Never seen pockets and such bring placed into a journal ~ helps me understand the process much more. Question for you ~ what makes this a Tim Holtz journal? Did you buy it with papers in it (the pages) ...do you get the cover and that is all. I am fascinated to know. I have made only 2 smallish journals - I am wanting to understand. Hope all you all sleep well tonight!!! I have never made signatures - just pasted back to back pages. I have lots of created pages - so now taking it to the next level. Thank you!!
@wendyk25574 жыл бұрын
I love watching you put a journal together like this. I've learned so much from you. Thank You.
@pamsshabbyvintagedreams98744 жыл бұрын
Yes, more shabby chic journals! This is a beautiful project!
@cynthiahowell23814 жыл бұрын
It is always fun watching you fill a journal.
@vanessarussell79974 жыл бұрын
Hi Gayle the journal is beautiful. I hope your day is full of blessings. 💕
@marylocke81854 жыл бұрын
Love the journal and listening to you "chat" with us! So glad you had a wonderful time with your family! Take good care and have a blessed day friend!
@deborahbrockman30314 жыл бұрын
What a fun journal! I’ve gotten so many ideas for pockets, bands and tucks🥰
@charlean_sherrod4 жыл бұрын
Hi there Gayle, this journal is going to be awesome... gotta love that Timmy. 💕
@tinlizzie44444 жыл бұрын
Wonderful and awesome journal Gayle!! I love the padded heart on the front cover!! I enjoy watching you pick , put and decide if the ephemera works there!! TFS!! Hugs, Liz:)
@nancivessells19094 жыл бұрын
Another pretty journal under your belt almost. You are so talented.
@fawnie-r4 жыл бұрын
My dear Gayle, it is 100+ degrees here in Texas!! 🔥 The last thing I want to hear about is your walk in PANTS and a SWEATER!🤣 I am so envious. BTW I laughed out load at your Tim Holtz/Good Measure Joke! My family is always telling me how lame my jokes are; but I keep myself entertained and my family amused. Take care.
@beverlyculbertson41884 жыл бұрын
Yes...I am from Lubbock Texas. We are frying here!!!
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Beverly Culbertson I hear you ladies it’s 104 right now here in Northern California, it was supposed to be 106 today so I guess that’s a good thing because this is the hottest part of the day so it probably isn’t going to go above 104. But as they say at least it’s a dry heat.
@roosmarie19614 жыл бұрын
I like your journal fabolous. Here and there i saw a idea come by . thank you Gayle.
@stacyskene12854 жыл бұрын
Ceasar Salad is the most fabulous name I have ever heard for a rabbit ... I have always wanted a guinea pig and if I ever get one I will be borrowing that name for him :) ... thank ur granddaughter for the inspiration xox
@claudiafortimelesscrochet4u4 жыл бұрын
Just another masterpiece of your creations. So beautifully done. How the hour flies when watching you Gayle, so mesmerizing! Thank you!
@barbsjournalcreation13924 жыл бұрын
I just love watching a journal come together. Being new to this jj business, it is magical, one minute blank pages, the next a beautiful page.
@danacolosimo58744 жыл бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous, love, love, love this journal :) love the grunginess :) thank you so much for sharing :)
@laurettechandlerthevintage30224 жыл бұрын
Another late night viewing your video after more time at the storage unit again today! Love me some Timmy too! Love this journal! Huge fan of your Tim journals, so happy I finally got one! More office supplies, tons of envelopes in different sizes and misc. vintage papers found so it was not totally sad, just memories of my Dad at his office. He would be thrilled I plan to use it in journals, maybe try a Timmy journal too… lol! You have once again inspired me! Love and hugs! 💖🤗💖
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Love you, Laurette! 😘❤️
@GwendolynsDabbledoosies4 жыл бұрын
This Timmy is coming together very nicely! ❤️
@jbeaudi4 жыл бұрын
I remember the days when you'd look thru your journal and make a list of all the things you needed to make for it. This is much more fun!
@creativemomentswithdurinda4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gayle..still catching up on videos. I haven't finished watching yet but I know everything will be fabulous and I will save it to try making some of it. Also after one of your other videos I HAD to get some of the AMAZING coffee dyed papers from Veronica. They are fabulous. So thanks for enabling me..yet again 😂😂..back to the video 🤗🤗💜💜
@barbaragrow84824 жыл бұрын
Morning Gayle great you're back. Sending love and appreciation for what you do with your vlogs
@angelathoma-dogwoodpaperarts4 жыл бұрын
Great journal. Love the Tim Holtz fabrics and papers. Beautifully created, Gayle!
@loopysue4224 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous journal. So pretty x
@artymaze4 жыл бұрын
So nice to catch up with you today had too much sun so had to take to my bed, was great as you popped up and yay loving that journal xx
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Aw, thanks, dear friend! Hope you feel better soon! The sun can be quite debilitating. I sure miss our monthly interactions. Much love to you, my friend! ❤️
@JannyHaak4 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, this journal is gorgeous! Fingers, toes and everything in between crossed for a chance at this one! 💕 🙌 🤞
@JamieLOVEUMOREJOURNALS4 жыл бұрын
Love these tim holtz journals
@kathrynhelm41764 жыл бұрын
I just LOVE watching you stuff a new journal. What fun! This one will be done before you know it. Thanks Gayle for all sorts of new ideas on ephemera. ❤️
@Chronically.sarahdayton4 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Park City, Utah (where the 2000 winter Olympics were held) and we had snow 8 months out of the year. We would have lots of rain as well. Then I moved to Oklahoma for a couple years where there were huge storms and the rain was lovely. Now in live in Southern California in the desert and we don’t get much here. I miss the rain SO much! I’m hoping we will have a good fall and winter full of rain and maybe even a little snow.
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Love Park City. Had a lovely time visiting there once! ❤️
@jetwasik16484 жыл бұрын
Fun video. This is great journal.
@debracrowhurst59004 жыл бұрын
Gayle it is beautiful and you inspire me everytime to create a backdrop of loveliness for my memories Thankyou xxxx
@sandraadamson49444 жыл бұрын
Hi Gayle a happy Sunday from Scotland. I always enjoy your videos and the inspiration you give.
@sheredafarrell22614 жыл бұрын
I loved the pockets you put on the music pages. The design matched the brackets that link the staves together...so clever😊
@janetvisochi-baum75724 жыл бұрын
love love love this Gayle !!!!! enjoy your day xx
@AngelasCraftySpace4 жыл бұрын
Good Morning Gayle, cant wait to see how this journal comes alive. Have a wonderful day 😊
@noradunlap75394 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Journal Gayle! Love it!! TFS! Blessings!❤️
@annwoleben54394 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed watching as you decided where to place the ephemera in this journal. You make each session so much fun. I hope you will share a "Jimmy Joe" video or photo one day. Thank you!
@charlenemays42604 жыл бұрын
I rolled when you said Timmy measure tape for good measure lol. I enjoy your videos so much. You brighten my day with laughter and wonderful idea's..tfs
@suemeteer14994 жыл бұрын
Beautiful journal!
@maggieflatt96864 жыл бұрын
This journal is beautifully done. I love it!
@BelBassFan4 жыл бұрын
You could also make some washi cards/tags to put into pockets. It would be a good way to use up some of your washi stash so you have room for more fun shopping.
@fernanton83704 жыл бұрын
Good morning Gayle, this Timmy’s journal is awesome 😎. Love , love 💗 it . But then , all your videos are awesome 😎. Blessings 😍😎😍
@sheredafarrell22614 жыл бұрын
Your work is beautiful. Thank you for sharing and the inspiration. You sounded subdued at the beginning of your video...I’m glad that it was nothing serious. Keep safe.
@enchanteddreams71664 жыл бұрын
Happy Sunday Gayle! I hope y'all have a great day! Xoxo hugs
@lauretteluluchartier85134 жыл бұрын
Good morning Gayle! Hope you’re having a great week! Stay safe!
@janerushton82634 жыл бұрын
fabric flips could also be used as a kind of 'pin board' for inside your journal, a lovely place to attach some photos or other memento's with some pretty pins. Just a thought, as i haven't ever actually had one...not enough fabric! lol Love the rabbits name! Had a rabbit a few years ago, his name was 'Attila the Bun', never heard of another with the same name there either.
@margaretcomella33184 жыл бұрын
Great idea! TFS! LOVE the rabbit name too!😄
@vivianwebb76704 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, I watch for brain stimulation, not really mastered the skill yet, right now I only have use of one hand.💕💕
@carolpowerslavenderdreamsc15994 жыл бұрын
Journal is beautiful!! So sad I missed the green journal yesterday. But I was busy with my 3 yo grandson. He's wearing this grandma out but I'm loving spending the weekend with him!! 💜
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Treasured time for sure!! ❤️
@tannabella60714 жыл бұрын
Lovely journal! Thanks for sharing!
@marilyntorsch39704 жыл бұрын
Beautiful journal Gayle. “Timmy measure tape for good measure”. That one really made me laugh. You have such sweet wit. Have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you for sharing 🤗
@cindy772774 жыл бұрын
Good morning Gayle, after days and days of unbearable heat and humidity it’s finally cool and breezy. So nice. I truly am a fall person. Once again a wonderful video. I can’t say it enough but I truly enjoy spending a hour a day with you. To be truthful I could spend the day watching you and listening to you. Another wonderful creation of yours. Hope you enjoy your day. Your friend Cindy from a small town in Northern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 ❤️❤️❤️
@lindayoshida33284 жыл бұрын
Wow...this one was sooo nice! But then again I like all of your stuff...Lol can you pls...pls...PLEASE! make another altered book journal. I have all my stuff ready to create with you again!
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Okey dokey, Linda! I’ve been having a hankering to do one anyway! I have a plan for tomorrow’s video, but how about we start one the next day? ❤️
@lindayoshida33284 жыл бұрын
@@gayleagostinelli_ct omg...I can't believe you responded to me...that's sooo NICE! I wish you were my neighbor!
@cherbowman4 жыл бұрын
So enjoy watching you create!! This journal is gorgeous!!🥰 I had to purchase some padded hearts 💕after seeing that cover! 😉 You make Timmy proud with your work!
@cindyowens66244 жыл бұрын
You have the most soothing voice ever. Love your videos and been wanting to do a Timmy journal. Is there a video about the cover and signatures?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I think if you search KZbin for Gayle Agostinelli Tim Holtz, the video should come up with the quilted covers. 😁❤️
@robinpowell27124 жыл бұрын
Another work of art, Gayle! Love how you put it all together! 💗💗
@kimellis62854 жыл бұрын
My kids had a bunny when they were young. It's name was Stew .. Rabbit Stewart.
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Kim Ellis 😂 🐇
@cindy772774 жыл бұрын
Me again Gayle, I just can’t tell you enough how much I long to own one of your wonderful creations. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping beyond hope that one day it will happen. If I make it in time when you post. Call me crazy 😜 Your friend Cindy from a small town in Northern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 ❤️❤️❤️
@angelrose49684 жыл бұрын
Right!!! I can't ever catch one of her journals to buy. Maybe one day.
@nancysale1884 жыл бұрын
Nancy Sale Gail, I've just started watching you~maybe a couple of weeks ago. I never knew what Junk Journaling was~and I just love it. I'm getting ready to start creating my very first JJ. Question: I want to coffee dye/tea dye my papers. However, I do have some digital prints to print. I have an Ink Jet & a Laser printer. I noticed on your video of coffee dying that you did stain some digital prints. What kind of a printed did you use to print them? It seems there is a difference that I have to do~depending on the printer that I use. Can you help me with this? I love watching your videos. You are a very good teacher. Thank you. Nancy Sale
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I have an Epson 2550 EcoTank printer. It’s an ink jet, which is why I “paint” coffee on the back. The ink will run if you dunk the papers. Sometimes that creates a neat effect though! Hope that helps! ❤️
@nancysale1884 жыл бұрын
@@gayleagostinelli_ct Ah. I saw you do that~but it didn't click why you did it that way. Thank you!
@carollaws8384 жыл бұрын
hi Gayle, catching up on videos, love this one!!
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, dear Carol!! I’ve just tried your fabric weaving technique and it’s so much fun! Thank you for all that you share! ❤️
@carollaws8384 жыл бұрын
@@gayleagostinelli_ct oh, Gayle, i am so pleased you tried it! i hope you enjoyed it, i look forward to seeing what you made. thank you so much for all your inspiration, i really appreciate you xx
@PerfectlyImperfect65704 жыл бұрын
Beautiful journal! ❤️❤️❤️How do you make the cover look like it's has padding?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Quilt batting. 😁❤️
@dianawilson9954 жыл бұрын
Rain! That sounds wonderful! I live in Arizona where it is 117* today and no rain in sight! Jealous! Thankfully I have an air-conditioned, well-stocked “girl garage” (instead of a she shed!).
@margaretcomella33184 жыл бұрын
And a "babe's basement"? ☺
@TinkITreasurebooks4 жыл бұрын
Do you have the starting video on this journal? Making the cover, choosing the paper.....etc
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
If you search Gayle Agostinelli Tim Holtz fabric cover, the video should come up. 😁❤️
@gingerhorning16614 жыл бұрын
Great timmy journal , I'm not much of a journaler but I love the journals. Does anyone just get the journals for the pretty pages ?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I think so. Some people get them just to look at. 😁❤️
@gingerhorning16614 жыл бұрын
@@gayleagostinelli_ct that works for me
@lalagamma44524 жыл бұрын
Georgous, my friend. I know who that Journal belongs to, someone extremely lucky. Good measure.. LOL.. 😅😂🤣. Hope you get some rest soon. 🐝💚🐞💙🦋
@kathylesage69324 жыл бұрын
Good morning. Gayle, the First Day Covers might be worth something, since they are in a set and look "Mint". I wish we had some of your coolness. We are at 91 at 11:30 am. We decided not to go to the estate sales today, because of the heat, so I'm in the air conditioner house with the fan aimed at me, cool as a cucumber and watching your video. What more could I want at this moment, lol.
@uniquelylily11664 жыл бұрын
I luse the fabric flips for hiding something extra underneath, like some little surprise too.
@JUPANDY4 жыл бұрын
I just Love goobers, Awesome.
@erika32934 жыл бұрын
Really pretty journal Gayle. Love me some Timmy!!!! Could you help me with a problem I'm having. I have been using the art glitter glue for some time now but my original pin got bent quite some time ago. Having been trying different pins to put in top but all seem to rust or discolor and then make my glue icky. What am I doing wrong???? I see the pin you have in yours right now and I have those same pins but yet they get all grungy and turn my glue a different color and don't really seal the nozzle well so I am constantly having to unclog it. HELP!!!!! from "Frustrated in Wisconsin".
@marilyntorsch39704 жыл бұрын
Hi Erika, you have to use a stainless steel pin so it doesn’t get rusted. If Gayle says it’s ok I’ll share where I get mine. Happy crafting 🤗
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Yep stainless steel. Sure, Marilyn, go ahead and share! 😁❤️
@erika32934 жыл бұрын
@@marilyntorsch3970 Yes please Marilyn. I am so frustrated at this point. I guess mine look like Gayles but must not be stainless steel. Thanks for any help you can give me. Greatly appreciated.
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Erika, got my stainless steel pins at hobby lobby, they are Dritz brand which should be available any place with sewing notions. Just be sure to read the package to make sure they’re stainless steel.
@erika32934 жыл бұрын
@@LynsAlteredArts thank you sooooooo much Lyn. I really appreciate it. Will head to Hob Lob asap!!! Happy Crafting!! :)
@jackielubeck4 жыл бұрын
HI Gayle - what's the name of that ring thing that's holding the coin and word "hope" - you also have it on the "unglued" envelope with a number hanging off it - I searched amazon and Holtz under hooks, clips, pins, and they come up but in building size - !!! It's not a safety pin. It's a ??? Jackie
@freidagepner23704 жыл бұрын
I am crazy about this journal. It’s has so many cool items that you have made. You are a journal guru! I was wondering if you remember what the name of the video was that featured the embelli clips that you made. I’m ready to make some but don’t remember the measurements and the directions. I searched for it under your name but it didn’t come up. 🤦♀️
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Freida! Search Gayle Agostinelli Embelliclips and it will come up. It’s under the Making Ephemera playlist. 😁😘❤️
@freidagepner23704 жыл бұрын
thanks Gayle 😊🌹
@reniemonteaux95424 жыл бұрын
Gayle! I was done with my journel and heading out to weed but you popped up and I had to watch. Darn! 😂
@suzannemcgee27564 жыл бұрын
Just thinking, how about a Christmas in July journal?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I think I’ll do an altered book next. Maybe Christmas in August or September? Lol! ❤️
@suzannemcgee27564 жыл бұрын
That works. I like your altered books too.
@deborahblake99994 жыл бұрын
Do your sell your Tim Holtz journals?
@nancyglaser48044 жыл бұрын
where did you find your Tim Holtz book of tags??
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Hobby Lobby. 😁❤️
@nancyglaser48044 жыл бұрын
@@gayleagostinelli_ct Thank you
@kimellis62854 жыл бұрын
My sister lives in Clancy, I'll have to tell her about the college theater camp for her grandsons.
@vernmcdaniel3954 жыл бұрын
Sorry my kind pocket was too big. Unfortunately I am just learning and went with the flow before I knew about little things like measurements. Ugh. I also made some ephemera using junk mail and was so excited at how it turned out until I held it up to my journal and realized it was it is 9 inches long. Oh the disappointment I will tell you! I just have them in my stash because they are lovely but the way they are configured it would be too hard to cut down. Dang it. We all have to suffer the learning curve. Hopefully I am almost done! 😐. Random question though, why are they called cabinet cards??? Hugs💕 Veronica
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Great question, Veronica, and I have no idea! Lol! Yes, always more to learn, but you do such beautiful work, my friend! I just finished filming your happy mail! Thank you so very much!!! The video will air Tuesday. 😘❤️
@cwsowell4 жыл бұрын
They are photos mounted on card stock and they were easy to display (prop up, maybe) in cabinets rather than in photo albums so they think that's why they became known as cabinet cards.
@vernmcdaniel3954 жыл бұрын
Sorry another question....when you mod podge the paper, is it printed from your ink epson? Do you have any problems with smearing? And as always I love your videos and am learning so much from your beautiful work. Thank you so much. Veronica
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why, Veronica, but Mod Podge doesn’t smear my printables. Thank goodness! ❤️
@Oukafamily4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gayle, I've been watching you show non stop for days since I found you! I do have a question about fabric... Do you wash your fabric before you use it?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
I don’t wash it. It’s not going to get wet/shrink in a journal. At least I hope not!! ❤️
@HooliganMomma4 жыл бұрын
Super Fantastic journal Gayle!!! You may have already mentioned it so forgive my inquiry...but will this be offered for sale in your Etsy shop or is this a giveaway? You know we're all chomping at the bit to own it!!! ;) xo
@Shelby-uw2tt4 жыл бұрын
"For good measure!' Hahahahaha! 🤣
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Oh geez, I need to stop thinking. I was thinking about the rest of the letters in your alphabet challenge and I don’t know if you have them all picked out yet or not, I’m assuming you’re picking V for vellum, I was thinking about was W for wax, X I have no idea other than x-ray, xylophone or xtreme. Y for Yupo, do you have any Yupo paper, that stuff is awesome with alcohol ink and that could be an alphabet challenge and a mixed media Monday both, and Z I have no idea, zany zombie?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
😂. I just love you, Lyn! 🤣❤️
@miranahaub99134 жыл бұрын
I love your hi its Gyle,xxo
@barbaraperna55364 жыл бұрын
💜
@janicem43824 жыл бұрын
I tell people that the fabric flips are for secret thoughts. You can hide your secret (not terribly secret) ideas under them.
@joannescollectiveco.42404 жыл бұрын
🥰❤️❤️🥰
@k.susieroloff48014 жыл бұрын
👏🏻👍🏻. ...😻
@SammiJarrad4 жыл бұрын
😘💜💜🤗
@glynismccartneyintricatesc52814 жыл бұрын
🙂🌞🇨🇦
@cathycrowder22264 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Joe is probably just tired from all the great company. Changes in dogs environment or more stimulation than usual makes them tired. Mental stimulation like trick or obedience, training or people watching can be as tiring for dogs as a walk. Dogs will go, go, and go and then will rest. Snoring is deep sleep (REM) and shows he feels very relaxed and secure!
@janicem43824 жыл бұрын
Why did you toss aside the card with the two black women? I thought that would fit very well. I loved it.
@robinpowell27124 жыл бұрын
She did use it, later on in the video.
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin! ❤️
@janicem43824 жыл бұрын
Robin Powell I had to leave early but I noticed it later. 😊
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Wait, they left Caesar salad with you? I kept waiting for you to say you were just babysitting or did they actually give you their bunny? Does he actually live there now to be Jimmy Joe’s permanent friend?
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Just bunny sitting for the weekend. They have come and picked him up to go home. 😁❤️
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
I had an idea, I know that’s dangerous, it’s about you getting ahead with your videos. Why don’t you just sit down one day and knock out all the rest of the alphabet and then save those if you need them to fill-in when you’re not able to film or to have on hand to insert in between others to build up your stash of videos. You don’t need to stretch them to an hour, you could just make the half hour videos for the rest of the alphabet and save them for when you need a filler.
@gayleagostinelli_ct4 жыл бұрын
Thanks friend! Those videos take me some time to figure out what I’m going to do and get all the supplies ready, so I don’t know if I could do more than one in a day. I do need to get back to them though!! ❤️
@Shelby-uw2tt4 жыл бұрын
"For good measure!' Hahahahaha! 🤣
@LynsAlteredArts4 жыл бұрын
Oh geez, I need to stop thinking. I was thinking about the rest of the letters in your alphabet challenge and I don’t know if you have them all picked out yet or not, I’m assuming you’re picking V for vellum, I was thinking about was W for wax, X I have no idea other than x-ray, xylophone or xtreme. Y for Yupo, do you have any Yupo paper, that stuff is awesome with alcohol ink and that could be an alphabet challenge and a mixed media Monday both, and Z I have no idea, zany zombie?