Old Xeon vs New i5... FIGHT

[@SilentDecode]

I like how you do stuff with old Xeons. One of the few KZbinrs that does that. I really like it! I'm a homelabber too, upgrading to an Dell R730 with a single E5-2650v4 soon :)

[@ingusmant]

Single? Were you planning to get a dual motherboard?

[@SilentDecode]

@@ingusmant it's..... A server... It has dual sockets as standard... Duh!

[@clockwork1513]

Currently using a 2696 v3 with the turbo unlock mod. Works well

[@clockwork1513]

@BMG Ghost AliExpress has a few mb that will do the job.

[@clockwork1513]

@BMG Ghost I guess some sellers could do that just like eBay I guess, but I've been ordering through AliExpress for years now and have yet to have a bad experience 👍

[@philscomputerlab]

Turbo unlock is totally fine, it's the highlight of that platform and one reason to get it. Performance of these Xeon systems is good enough for most tasks, with ecc RAM and heaps of PCIe lanes the nice advantages.

[@wheisenberg559]

And it supports Bifurcation, which can be used for some nice storage shenanigans.

[@drexter09]

May i ask what is ecc memory and what is for? Can i use standard rams on xeons

[@dexplacid431]

@@drexter09 yes you can.Ecc memory is used on servers and has an additional memory module that checks if the info in all other memory banks goes without mistakes. (Or something like that) For example, I ran E5-2670v3 with 16 gigs of desktop ddr4 memory. But this cpu can also work with server memory too, without any problems. The most important aspect here is to avoid mixing the memory. Because ECC and standard desktop memory won't work together at the same time.

[@kellyoneal5498]

Also, the MB must support the ECC ram... There are several kinds of ECC (ECC, ECC-reg, different voltages) with different specs- the Xeon chip itself will handle any just fine, but some mobos are finicky about some. Also can't mix different ECC types at once

[@simeonjohnston5941]

Currently running a E5-2667 V4 on an X99 board, basically the same as the E5-1660 V4, but with 5mb more cache and 5W less TDP. Paired with a GTX 1070 it's running everything I need just fine.

[@budczus]

Funny you say that, i'm using xeon 1270v2 with gtx 1660super and i'm playing everything (20.08.2023) Not the highest settings but high steady 60fps. The only game that told go fuck myself was Uncharted (due to lack of support) and Cyberpunk which still runs but only in high 40-50s. Some people are still sleeping on these cpu's.

[@vamoneygroup]

Emulation?

[@ExynosnéBomba]

Bro, the 1660 v4 qk3s takes 4.6Ghz and 3200mhz with xmp 2.0, so it has a performance very similar to the 5600x

[@tomazzaman]

Old Xeons rule, I use them in my homelab as well. Really cost effective! Unrelated: please present data in charts and put a semi transparent background. These numbers are hard to read in the current format and the font choice doesn’t help either.

[@sepheronx]

These older Xeons are fantastic for gaming. What also helps is Quad Channel Memory controllers.

[@geort45]

They're good. But they shine in multithreaded apps. I used to build my pcs with xeon ES processors, or the rare super cheap full release xeon when they were old enough, always great bang for the buck.

[@vannhantran547]

@@geort45what’s the specs of your rig?

[@zeron851]

I'd be interested in these tests on old Epyc chips as well. I've had pretty good experiences with chips like the 7401P or the 7601, and the CPUs themselves are only around ~$300 at this point which is pretty crazy considering the core counts on offer.

[@CraftComputing]

One of my servers is running an Epyc 7601. It definitely holds up as well, or even better, than these V3 and V4 Xeons.

[@derstreit]

@@CraftComputing Rome is finally getting payable. Got a Epyc7282 on a Supermicro H11SSL-i for 650€. Add 300€ for 128GB DDR4-2666 ECC Reg and i now have a nice proxmox server with all the PCIe lanes XD.

[@Nelevita]

Jeff have you Disabled the Specter & Meltdown Patches in Windows for the old Xeons or not ? They hit these old Xeons quite hard for no real reasons like Gaming and as a Workstation.

[@stephen1r2]

Definitely; This is a must for using Xeon for gaming and production. Unless it's a server the mitigations make no sense.

[@CraftComputing]

I tested in Windows 11, where the patches are part of the kernel. I don't think you can disable them. But you are correct, speculative execution is only a vulnerability in VM environments.

[@brycetorian]

Realistically though, esp with win11, people aren't going to disable it. So benchmarks are relatable to "real world" use for majority of users.

[@stephen1r2]

@@CraftComputing The GRC InSpectre tool seems to identify affected models and apply a registry setting to disable the mitigations. But I can only verify Win10 success an HP Z-420 w/1650v2 and an ASRock epc602 w/2x2670v1

[@thebigdavester]

@@stephen1r2 THANK YOU!

[@mikescomputercorner1204]

I love your dedication to what older machines are capable of ..keep up the great reviews

[@josephkelly4893]

Another great video, thanks for the work. Reminds me of my daily drivers. My three systems are : 12th gen intel, only rocking 12100f but its a z690 mobo and ddr5 so i can upgrade to a bigger chip when Raptor Lake hits. The single thread performance is amazing. My workstation is a x79 2697v2 12 core and ASUS Rampage IV, good little BCLK combo. Amazing how stable and smooth this system is, ECC memory in quad channel is superb. And i still love my little 2600k z77 setup, SLI gtx960s, fun little overclocking practice system, and for an 11year old chip, still plays everything. Plus the whole sytem cost about 350aud in parts.

[@mikicamickeysporea1815]

Awesome idea and review, as always. I learned so much about the ethernal topic - old vs new Processor. I'm all about the Xeon processor, as an Engineer, and I'll jump to old but good Xeon workstation for my second computer for extra tasks. Cheers

[@aymanelzain1271]

The new games can take advantage of more number of core, and that will make the old xeon Processors a really good value for budget gamers, I have xeon e5 2650 v2, I bought it with 16gb of ddr3 ram and x79 motherboard for under 100 dollars and i run them with rx6600 at 2k resolution, the experience is very good specially with DX12 and Vulkan games

[@glaassassin5176]

I have a X79 1680 v2 xeon system use it for gaming and video editing but learned that I need more lanes on a next build 20-24 is to low. This was a budget build and am glad to have went with the x79 platform lasted me many years however newer titles running AVX2 are starting to show age of the system. X99 or X299 is my upgrade path for sure Great video cheers 🍻

[@jb678901]

I did the same about 16 months ago, from X79/1680v2/8x4GB DDR3 to x99 ($99)/2678v3($85)/4x8GB DDR3. Very nice upgrade, IMO. Then, when XEON prices dropped I upgraded to E5-2696v3 ($45) and 4x8GB DDR4 ($66); sold off the 2678v3 and DDR3 to get the upgrade for net $16. BIG upgrade with the 2696v3 (w/turbo unlock, of course). Will now upgrade from GTX1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti ($220)...about the only upgrade left for this system. Current setup: Huananzhi X99TF (ver.1) [BIOS TU w/Mi899 tool] E5-2696v3 [18C/36T, max turbo 3.8GHz, 145W TDP, DDR3 or DDR4 compatible; all core 3.2 Ghz, up to ~8 cores at 3.8, up to ~14 cores at 3.5] 4x8GB DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance GTX1080Ti (undervolted) For the money, a very capable platform.

[@Lucas-qb8uz]

@@jb678901 your Xeon runs maximal ddr4 2133 mhz

[@greenprotag]

Excellent ^_^ The higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k REALLY level the playing field, shifting the load to the GPU. A uniquely suited use case for an old V3/V4 Xeon might be an HTPC. Hook to an old 60Hz 4k TV, lock the FPS, and use the PCIE Lanes for some super fast IO like storage controllers for a NAS/ Media library, Faster network controllers, a spare old Quadro for video encoding etc. That being said, there are "middle of the road" options between these new 12th gens and the old Xeons. Enter, the used Ryzen. 3700x and 3900x are coming way down and would provide a price/$ balance between these two offerings. Let's say you play at 1080p high refresh (120FPS+), are on a budget, you still need multithread for other workloads, and the Xeon just can't push about 100FPS in your favorite game. A 3000 or 5000 series ryzen with cheap B450 or B550 could be looking spicy ^_^

[@marcosoliveira8731]

Your videos have guided most of my decisions to buy xeons to build my lab. I´am pretty happy with the results!

[@Deadflame96]

I recently did a build for a friend with a Z440 e5 1660 v4 32gb of RAM and paired it with an RX 6800 XT. It runs games just as good as my Alienware R12 with an 11400f and RTX 3070. Only thing I think you should've mentioned in this video is if you want to change the PSU in the Z440 you need an adapter or you have to manually pin out the 24 pin connector

[@stewartanderson6433]

Like how even though you probably only built the test bench i5 build for the video it still looks so tasteful and clean

[@Fay7666]

I've seriously considered changing my setup into a Z840. I don't gane much, especially not newer games that may require the CPU. With the supposed reports that you can offer ~$250 for 2696v4's, it would make for a killer workstation that would allow me to run anything and everything I would want to _at the same time._

[@santo313]

YEP soon ill get 22 CORE rig WITH those 10 CORES TURBU ABOVE 3ghz it will be nice for the gaming @FHD and workstation things + i can create a Hyper-V server to host my favorite games on an extream budget

[@callowaysutton]

You can find them for 130 or less on eBay all the time! They have the highest single core performance of all of the Broadwell Xeons which is about equivalent to a 10th or 11th gen Core chip, recently put 8 into my cluster of servers and they're awesome chips.

[@jong-yk3gk]

The e5 2697 v4 are better and the 99 22 cores are to much

[@nickdolin393]

Love the channel and the love for old xeons. Rocking a 2697A v4 and 5500xt, it's about a $250 build, games as well as I want.

[@xbigbobsagetx]

I have a Xeon 1650 on a z420 tower. Threw in 32 gb of qaud channel ddr3, a ssd drive and a 1060 6gb and it handles every game I throw at it very well.

[@felixandy]

My HP Z440 just got delivered an hour ago with an E5-1650v4!!!

[@gamesandsoftwares1441]

the only guy that i dont skip his ads , keep it up champ easily my fav tech chanel thanks for all the info you gave us over the years

[@ra1d3r34]

Nice review. You just saved me from performing this experiment myself. Thanks a lot !!!

[@rmgaminguk7079]

I love this video, most tech videos do not consider older (particularly 2nd hand parts). However I think you should have included some lower end modern parts. For budget it would be nice to compare a 2nd hand i3-10105F with 2666mhz ram, and a B560 motherboard (to allow better upgrade path to 11th gen). Then as a new build alternative an i5-12400F with 3200mhz ddr4 ram. I think these will have a cost price much closer to the xeon, and have a gaming performance very close to the stock i5-12600k. I think these are much better alternatives to someone considering buying an xeon. More videos like this would be greatly appreciated.

[@nicholaswjamrock]

I remember when playing games and getting 30fps meant you had a top of the line system

[@RobMcFlash]

I got a system with a Xeon E5 2670V3 (12 core/24threads) with 16gb ram in Quadchannel(2400mts). Still very capable for almost anything that requires many cores.

[@JC7119]

I love the older Xeon's. I'll be the first one to say a Chinese x99 with 1660v3 which can be overclocked can still hold up REALLY well against modern stuff.

[@Lighthouse_out_of_order]

One of the most interesting vids I watched for the past month. Still, I'd invest more to have a rig that will perform good on future games for 2-3 years ahead.

[@lexluthermiester]

@Craft Computing "Physics drink!" Just awesome! I'm not a beer drinker, but I'm going to have to try one of these!

[@PsychoStreak]

I'm curious about the power draw of those Xeons vs the i5 system under load and idle. Also, going with DDR5 was kind of an obvious way to stack the deck price wise against the i5 system. Not a huge amount, but still. Also, would have been interesting to see a 5600 or 5600x build thrown in the mix.

[@szymontrojanowski7565]

Power draw will be similar, because Intel is cheating on TDP of consumer chips, and it does not consider boost, when it comes to DDR5 memory I thought the same

[@SP-ny1fk]

Seems like most people these days could have a combined gaming and server machine - even streaming gaming through VMs with GPU pass-through. Very interesting, thank you for this valuable testing

[@paulbrooks4395]

Just a note: it really depends on the game. Games with simulation often use a single thread as the master. Essentially, any time frame delivery or pacing depends on CPU, there will be slow downs or stutters. Unfortunately, these issues are just plain hard to pin to titles. For the large majority of games, these CPUs are okay, but for complex RTS/sims, and some VR titles, I would avoid anything with low single thread performance.

[@matthewkendall5235]

So two of the things I like to do are astrophotography and video editting - high core count (36 physical cores) dual xeons set-ups with massive memory (256GB RAM), a PCIE x16 (Gen3) 4 x 2TB M2 NVME RAID 0 board and an RTX 4070 for its CUDA count absolutely rock as a performance value. It doesn't matter the work load I throw at a beast like this - it runs fast and quite. Stacking 60 hours (say 720 light frames) took my old 7820X workstation with 128 GB RAM 4 hours tweny to complete - the dual Xeons did it in just over 2 hours. CUDA GPU based tasks that used to take 10 - 15 minutes on the CPU (e.g. sharpen or demoise) take a minute on the 4070. Rendering with Davinci resolve is 2-4 times faster than real time at 4K. So as a value proposition for high CPU, high memory, high I/O an old high core count dual Xeon workstation can be an absolute delight!

[@livemadseason]

Thanks, I wanted to build new PC but I got old Dell precision with Xeon v4 and 32GB RAM for 300usd, threw 3070 in it - no regrets, works like a charm. And it even has cast aluminium handles, show me this feature on any other case on the market 😀

[@gucky4717]

What about really CPU intensive Games like Battlefield or Anno 1800?

[@-FOXX]

My God you're ruthless :) I love it

[@folop86]

how did you do the turbo boost mod on the z440?

[@Vypros19]

A friend of mine have been using a old xeon with one chinese machinist mobo and 16gb of ddr3 memory as a daily driver and boy he's super happy with the performance he's getting with his PC.

[@juanpablo-vn1xo]

I built my kids a gaming system each, using older intel and amd cpu's with a gtx980 founders, 32gig of 2300ram and ssd... They play games all the time and it works absolutely fine... Minecraft, overwatch, fortnight all work great and they have a brilliant time... Systems cost me very little, being old servers I didn't need anymore..you don't need the latest and greatest cpu in order to play the modern titles... As long as you gauge your expectations accordingly..so good job with this review and I see exactly where you are coming from.. 👍👍

[@asmi06]

You've got to keep in mind power consumption too, especially at idle as most computers and especially servers spend most of their time at near idle.

[@InsideAlan]

Older server CPUs are far more efficient at idle than new server CPUs but I don't know the figures for the 12600k or the impact of overclocking the Xeon.

[@augold1681]

I am a little confused. I think that the Brodawell (v4) e5-26xx chips can't be unlocked and all the 16xx chips can go max on all cores..."turbo unlockled" within the TDP limitation (or maybe just the Haswell and Broadwell). I think if you tried to run a Broadwell with the turbo unlock microcode it wouldn't run... but I may be mistaken.

[@GodSaveTheUnitedStates]

I love looking at Xeon alternatives for budget gaming systems. There is an aire of accomplishment to reusing tech, never intended for a use case, to achieve your goals while simultaneously saving hundreds of dollars. Everyone knows you sacrifice an upgrade path, but if one acknowledges that and is ok with it, the idea is so satisfying and rewarding. I love your content and hope there will always be intrest in reusing older tech like this.

[@judman13]

Would have loved to see some transcode numbers thrown out since you mentioned at at the end. Thanks for the comparison!

[@CraftComputing]

Transcode would come down to GPU performance if you're talking about NVENC. For codecs that Intel QuickSync supports, that feature is only available on 7th Gen and newer CPUs, so it's not present on v3 or v4 CPUs. Transcode software performance is going to be similar to the MT scores from Cinebench R32, with the 12600K taking a huge win.

[@Beehj84]

Hey Jeff - cool video, and I affirm your justification for parts choices being realistic purchase options (as opposed to using a 3090ti). A quick request - could you perhaps add less transparent backdrop to presenting your benchmark results with some way of delineating rows and columns clearly, perhaps shrinking it slightly relative to the screen size so they're contained within a more clear modal? Having them run over the top of the moving video with changing colours behind etc makes it hard to read and starts to induce a headache a little bit, and the quality is quite juxtaposed compared to your high-quality set and backdrop when you're on screen.

[@HashanGayasri]

I think Xeon W class processors are better suited for comparison against desktop ones since the clocks are higher (and these are basically server counterparts of the intel X class processors). I recently ordered a HP Z4 with a Xeon W2145 processor to be used as an overpowered NAS. Can't compete with the Intel 13th gen CPUs but for around 300USD, I'm getting an okay processor with a pretty decent motherboard.

I'd like to see the xeons compared to something like used ryzen 1600af with ECC capable motherboard as well.

[@SuccessIsAHabbit]

I just appreciate your approach on the video i subd and liked

[@gadgetman_nz4092]

I'm running a number of Xeon machines. Such good value. Could do with some better graphics cards which should be coming on the market here at better value shortly. Running a couple of E5-2640 V4's, an E5-2650 V3 with 64GB (because I got a stunning deal on the memory) and a couple of others.

[@MatthewTillman]

I just built a new home box using a pair of Xeon Gold 6150 golds... It's a beast. I love it.

[@kesamek8537]

Excellent video thank you.

[@Stube_F-24]

I would love to see the difference of the power consumption between the systems. Here in Europe, especially in Germany, the prices for electricity are just horrendous.

[@joshuanine7690]

This is awesome to hear because wheni get a chance I want to build my own old pc for something useful like running code or not sure as of just yet

[@nowherebrain]

I like that you are talking transfers for memory.

[@michaeloppliger2518]

What a timing! I might get such a Z440 (but with a 1650v4) from work practically for free which would replace my 3770k based system. I wonder how this xeon stands efficiency wise compared to "modern" CPUs.

[@watiserdannogover]

Have a dual E5 2643 V3 setup and although the speed is great, especially for it's age, power consumption is somewhat high at full load (260W for the cpu's alone) 🤔

[@IamTehGuyz]

Oh I've got one of those machines (with that CPU, too)! Didn't use it for gaming or anything, but it existed as my NAS for a bit just fine. Would expect it to game just fine depending on what you're playing though (and I'm planning to hand it off to a family member for that reason, as I've since replaced it with a SMC server).

[@watiserdannogover]

Put a GTX 1650 in it and for 1080p it's great@@IamTehGuyz And I'm sure the cpu's can handle more since they are almost idle in a lot of games (about 30% usage).I do have quad channel memory so that might help.

[@fusemalaysia840]

wonder if power consumption is okay and unlocked....too expensive....but my global ID stamps Xeon till now....have conflict with government restrictions kinda hard to own...

[@StevePatak]

wow, a Bo Burnham reference AND ETB for the beer? My kind of video. Love ETB. That can looks like it rivals my favorite (limited release?) from them: Today's Forecast: Unhealthy Air Quality For Sensitive Groups - 14% stout/double pastry

[@user-hv5jv9gb6c]

It cracks me up just how much money people will spend just to get another 15-20 fps. Now if you're upgrading for VR or encoding then I could see it. But my first computer was a Commodore 64 so everything is lightening fast to me lol :)

[@mengshilim7364]

Where to get the turbo unlock bios for the Z440? Anyway, there is no point with the v4....

[@eliasalcazar6554]

For me the draw to Xeon was for home server use. I picked up an E5 2699 v3 for $48 and slapped it in an ASRock x99m board. I now have quad-channel ECC RAM support up to 256GB, and 40 pcie lanes, not to mention superb IOMMU grouping. Unfortunately the power draw is something I will have to live with until a consumer chip can offer me comparable features. I'd love to not be consistently pulling 100w, but alas lol

[@melitgreybeardivey7436]

Did you happen to gauge the wattage of each build? Does the reduced build cost with old xeons get offset by reduced run cost of the i5?

[@quademasters249]

Yearly run cost for my Xeon is something like $25. That's not including the GPU, monitor or drives. Your GPU is the real power consumer. More than the rest of the PC combined when gaming.

[@zoomzabba452]

I bought a 2696v3 for learning ESXi, Docker, and hosting Minecraft servers. I game with a R5 3600.

[@christopherjackson2157]

The thing about shopping for xeons is if you just buy whatever's cheap/free locally it's way cheaper than pricing out specific parts you want

[@dragonsoars]

I am curious. You stated that the Z440 had 32GB of memory, but you didn't say if one module was in each of the four channels (quad-channel 4x8GB). Single-channel comes with a 50% performance loss, and dual-channel 25% to 35%. I hope you can remember the configuration and reply. Thank you for the video!

[@pagey007]

Got myself an i7 gaming rig but cannot bring myself to sell the 420 it supposed to replace..

[@augold1681]

Oh, I don't think the HPs can be turbo unlocked as the bios is encrypted and checked each time you boot. I may be mistaken.

[@sonvfave]

Old vid but …. Newer ddr4 mem on a newer z790 board vs my old z440 locked up ddr3 at slower than poopp😢 Do these changes release higher frame rates?

[@HopsAndBrews]

Yeah that beer really should come in those small 8oz cans, really any more and its just too sweet.

[@CraftComputing]

Technically I think it was 8oz of beer and 8oz of chocolate cake.

[@HopsAndBrews]

@@CraftComputing Dont forget the cinnamon

[@bleachgarage]

I've used a couple 2012 Mac Pros as budget gaming computers (with Windows installed). They use either a single X5690 Xeon 3.46 or dual CPU. The game framerate is worse and has noticeable framedrops when using dual CPU with 12 core/24 thread. The single CPU setup is fine.

[@cferra]

More info on the bios mod please

[@JorgeEscobarMX]

So this is how low the Xeon processors had come to?

[@ArtificialDNA]

why not run same value of gold xeon and modern pc ? .. let say they run 1000$ i5 and 1000$ used xeon ?

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

I mean, you hit the nail on the head there in the middle. Yeah, there may be a measurable difference. But only when you drag out the benchmarks, and use nanometer scale calipers to compare the 2 graphs. It's nice/interesting to know when one chip technically beats out another, but when it comes to my wallet, what matters is what I can see.

[@philmarsh7723]

I recently bought two Supermicro servers with dual Xeons for high-performance computing. Great deals!

[@philmarsh7723]

If you have compute-intensive work, don't mess around. Get a server with > 125GB RAM and two E5-2699v4 s with total 44cores.

[@RequiemForRavenholm]

the hotter sister of the e5 1660 v4, the e5 1680 v4, can be had usually for double the price and can boost up to 4ghz while consuming the same amount of power and still has 8 cores and 16 threads.

[@callowaysutton]

I wish you had tested the 2696v4, they can be had for around 130 on eBay, have 22c44t, and have the highest single core performance of all the Xeon Broadwell CPUs however their downside is it is an OEM chip and only certain motherboards can actually use it (any HP or Dell workstation should be able to use it however!). I recently got 2 for my workstation and saw that it basically had no difference in gaming compared to my old i5-11500 (on average ~3% decrease in FPS in Minecraft with simulation distance at 24 and render distance at 64) while giving 7x the amount of cores!

[@Software.Engineer]

I just bought 2x 2696v4 for the HP z840 workstation, and got 2x 2696V3 for the dell r730 :D as that could only take 145W TDP

[@callowaysutton]

@@Software.Engineer Nice! I wish I had gone with a Z840 instead of a Lenovo P710 tbh, the PSU on those things can handle anything!

[@helidrones]

I am on an E5-2696v4 on an MSI X99A gaming pro carbon. The CPU is playing nicely with that board on Linux except refuses to reboot after hitting F10 from the BIOS setup.

[@callowaysutton]

@@helidrones that’s weird, could potentially be a bug with the UEFI if you’re not booting through the BIOS

[@helidrones]

@@callowaysutton I am booting old school MBR, no EFI partition. After saving BIOS settings with F10 I need alt-ctrl-del to reboot.

[@gamingthunder6305]

the whole argument of bottlenecking your GPU never made sense to me. I always upgrade my GPU before i upgrade my CPU. i run a ryzen 1700 and upgraded from a gtx 1700 to a radeon 6900 tx. the improvement was massive. sure a faster CPU will still yield me even more performance but upgrading my CPU first would not even come close to the FPS gains i see and i can still upgrade my CPU at a later stage when AMD released its next gen CPU later this year and the current gen are cheap on ebay.

[@scottchapman4932]

Could you add Graphs of the numbers in the future? This will help when looking at a dozen numbers on the screen for 8 seconds...

[@1morphector1]

Thx buddy for your z440 suggestion, after your last video about these I ordered one on ebay that came with a crappy cpu, 32gb of ramand a 256gb ssd for 160$can delivered... Ordered a 2666v3 from aliexpress for 40$can... I don't think I could find any better for 200$cad...

[@xgeko2]

I think this video was awesome would you mind doing a quick follow up of the xeons stock vs an overclock at the maximum speed they can run?

[@Shadowdmh]

Great video I’m surprised they’re that close. I would love to see a Xeon build closer to the I5 price like a Xeon gold vs the i5 or E5 2698 v4 Xeon proxmox system with two VMs with gpus vs i5

[@markaz2kk]

Just bought two 2699 v4's under $300! Aud from recycle store! Will Upgrade soon, but the dual 2620 still does the job for now.

[@Software.Engineer]

@@markaz2kk woah wtff

[@AsbestosMuffins]

seems to have held up better than the 1st gen threadrippers

[@ingusmant]

I'm surprised the xeons turned out to be better at gaming than video editing

[@OsX86H3AvY]

I'm still using an HP Z600 with dual X5660's for 12C/24T @ 3.2Ghz max with 48GB ECC 1333Mhz DDR3 and a GTX 970 with some cheap SSD's and I love it for gaming at 1080P. I have literally had this for about 8 years and it is just GREAT. I liked it so much that I bought a Supermicro X8 STI with an X5680 and 24GB ECC DDR3 1333 and put in a GT 710 for a Plex server on Ubuntu as well....I really love Xeons and, aside from the i3-7100 I bought some years ago and laptops I probably won't be buying any consumer chips anytime soon - I don't need the single core speed and I LOVE having the cores for homelab and Linux development!

[@girogiacomo]

I'm commenting before finishing ghe video but I think you didn't disable the meltdown and spectre patches... there is a good video from techyescity that shows how much the patches hurt old xeons in pretty much everything, including games

[@darkfrost]

will dual xeon e52687W will work good with unreal engine 5?

[@adrianh85]

I have been trying to explain this to people for years! 💪🏿

[@edplat2367]

I think there are some extra points to be considered here. The Xeon platform really has no viable path for upgrade as you're stuck with pcie 3.0 and even if you were to go for an 8 core 1680v4 you would still be lacking single core performance. Say you went with another mid tier GPU upgrade 2 years from now the 12600k would be OK but the Xeon would struggle more. You could also update to raptor lake with more IPC and cache.

[@ingusmant]

Lets be honest for a minute, intel has always sucked for upgrades because they change standards all the time. Compare it to amd and then we talk.

[@reycaribe]

Who upgrading the workstation? This just something cheap and good to slap a graphics card in if all the budget goes primarily to the card. That's the only reason to look at a pre built.

[@trogdorr]

@CraftComputing Can you send a link to the BIOS mod you used for the Z440?

[@trustes89]

waaaaaow.... this was a very nice and informative video

[@shephusted2714]

meh - have all the engagement you want - the big takeaway here is really the inflated cost of both gpu and new cpu - for smb and soho the calculus is on value and without a gpu the machines are much cheaper - you don't go into power usage and this can add up with machines on 24/7 (for biz) - zen4 could change calculus simply for being so much more efficient and make roi and tco look good - for small biz punters they can get great performance for a relative pittance and never even approach pushing the envelope or have time savings be significant

[@KeinNiemand]

What if you compared the new i5 to a newer old xeon that has the same price (go as new as you can for that same price).

[@protator]

Still rocking dual E5 2690v3's (2x 12c24t) in my workstation. With a 2080 it games pretty well. Sure, maxed out cpu threads are a normal sight in taskmanager while gaming, but on a Freesync display, who cares whether you get full 144fps or only 60-100 in single-player games. Saves me several grand for a dedicated gaming rig. Probably going to upgrade to a pair of E5-V4s before I switch to a newer (server-)plattform. Once you've gotten used to 80 pcie lanes and lots of pcie flash storage, consumer platforms lose their appeal regardless of single core performance.

[@JABelms]

How's the dual CPUs in gaming? How many games did you encounter that just didn't like the CPUs? I have a 2660V3 on my other system and I'm planning to double it down, I play on 4K so CPU speed is hardly any issue

[@protator]

@@JABelms There's never been any serious performance issues that'd make a game unplayable. Playing @ 3840x1200 (32:10), which is a tad more than 1440p in total pixel count I think, and everything is working fine. Not encountered a AAA title that'd drop below 60, most games run at 80 to 120 fps even when the render threads max out occasionally. But I cannot recommend investing in a dual 2011v3 system at this point. Assuming your existing platform is X99, you should either go for a 2699v3 if your current RAM is 2133, or an equivalent 26xxV4 so you can make use of your faster memory. Keep in mind that dual cpu systems, with the exception of some chinese no-name boards, all require ECC memory. Re-using your old system's memory sticks wouldn't be possible and you'd find yourself shopping for 8 overpriced slow-as-hell 2133 ecc-dimms in 2022. Most games only use a single NUMA node on my system so performance is closer to gaming on a single 2690v3 anyway. A single 18C 2699v3 on X99, let alone a 2697/98/99V4, would crush a C61x system with dual 2660V3s and cost you less money.

[@JABelms]

@@protator I’m leaving the high end PC segment and just want to do a system that I would really like, it’s more of a passion project because I always dreamt of building an SR2 system. Do you think with that in mind it is worth it? Ever since I watched one of Craft’s segments about gaming on dual Xeons and his GTA V was just acting wonky I was just hesitant, because I play games from the 90s to modern Thanks for the input and reply, I will check out the 2699V3s if the dual CPUs don’t happen.

[@protator]

@@JABelms Imo, the only reason to go for a dual xeon system would be the total number of pci-e lanes. If you need/want more than 40 lanes in a single box then a dual 2011v3 system is the only affordable way, unless you're lucky and get your hands on an old Threadripper build for cheap. My current setup uses 38 or so lanes for storage alone. A separate single socket storage server would've been easier and cheaper, but I wanted my current workstation to be a storage monster that I could turn into a NAS next time I upgrade. So I mostly went that route because I wanted a mean dual socket system on my desk at least once in my life. I can still get enough use out of this system after I've retired it as my main workstatio, so the money wasn't really wasted, but short term two separate systems would've given me the same functionality and identical or higher performance for the same or even less money. (so yeah, I probably watched to many videos about the SR2 and SR3 as well, otherwise I don't think I'd have this silly machine on the desk right now)

[@andrewmcewan9145]

A turbo unlock would probably improve performance more than going to v4 cpus, just saying.

[@AlphaLiu]

Could someone please post a link about the turbo unlock mod for the Z440? I have found that the HP BIOS is encrypted and very hard to perform the same mod as some of the DIY X99 motherboards.

[@andrewmcewan9145]

Look for a video on KZbin titled failing to unlock z440. There is a guide in the description. Some guys on a Ukrainian fourm figured it out. Im looking for a lonovo p500 mod 😀

[@evansantos9148]

I just wanna know what is inside his glass next to the aluminum can👀

[@samdbage9434]

Where's power consumption benchmark? Isn't the 2nd important things about new vs old processor?

[@hicknopunk]

With the price crashes I slapped an i510600k, 16gb 5333 ddr4 and a gf 1050ti 4gb together with a used asus 490 for sooooo cheap. With a nice heatsink, it runs at 4.9ghz forever for under $200 for the cpu.

[@thestrykernet]

I enjoy comparisons like this. I'm still running my i7-6900K (4.2ghz all/4.3ghz 2c) as my primary gaming system. I just don't see enough of an advantage for replacing my entire setup when CPU is the least important upgrade for gaming (I don't play super high fps titles).

[@BrennanLetkeman]

yeah, I'm still using an ancient 4790k with a 3080 and I'm not especially convinced that the old CPU is really bottlenecking much. framerates in real life use are very good

[@johnnyxp64]

Still rocking a 20/40 dual older xeon cpus in a hyoer-V server for applications and it even games. I build this without the GPU cost, 380usd and was influenced because of one of your x99 Chinese motherboard videos.

[@javiej]

The z840 support dual Xeon, installing the 2nd CPU will give it the lead for productivity, and the second Xeon also provides additional PCIe lanes.

[@johnringgold3036]

But it kills gaming performance I had 2 xeons and switched to a single E5 1640 v4 and saw 15% bump in gaming performance.

[@CraftComputing]

Agreed @Pop DaTop. Dual CPU systems will TANK gaming performance in some titles.

[@Software.Engineer]

@@CraftComputing I did not know this, synchronization is hard i guess

[@SHEARMANDESIGN]

I was waiting to see that beer after you mentioned it on Talking Heads 😁 THHIICCCC

[@cutty02]

You didnt eloborate on the PCIe Lanes. thats the main reason I use a xeon because I can use a gpu and a PCIe x16 card for Nvme and other cool expansion cards.