Eight Gaming PCs in a 1U Server - Cloud Gaming Server Part 16

[@CoalitionGaming]

I am glad your channel has found success, so that we can continue getting content like this.

[@SparJar]

Interesting to see Pork Bun buying sponsorships. Bought mine from them over a year ago and just renewed. They are cheaper than cheap.

[@majstealth]

you rent it, not buy

[@SparJar]

@@majstealth "YoU rEnT iT nOt BuY iT"

[@sonicalstudios]

😆

[@parkerlreed]

Same. Have a handful with them. No issues.

[@gustersongusterson4120]

"so far so good' joke was on point! I love that you're building on all the other videos and just linking back for tutorials.

[@CraftComputing]

On projects like this, there's just SO MUCH to cover. One of those tutorials by itself is nearly 40 minutes, so no way I could cover it all in this video :-) Plus, I like getting clicks.

[@1leggeddog]

I know that I will never ever set something like this up. But, the possibilities of the hardware and the setup is what is cool!

[@arthuralford]

Okay, that intro competes with the Manscaped video for best ad

[@Crystawth]

Had to rewind and take a second listen when you said you put the 2 drives in TrueNAS into a raidz1. For those who may not be well versed in ZFS or TrueNAS, it was a zfs Mirror, not a RAIDZ1. I love your content so much, always such great ideas and helpful ways to set things up!

[@andrewr7820]

Yep, RAIDZ1 is akin to RAID5 (also which not a great idea since long ago with drives getting huge). If you must, RAIDZ2 (2 parity recovery members). I prefer striped mirrors (like RAID10). Much easier to extend existing arrays (no backup, destroy/reconfigure/restore) - just add a new mirror ZVOL to the array and -- done! (There's lots of good info on TrueNAS and ZFS over on Lawrence Systems channel.) Like here, the signal-to-noise ratio is very good, unlike LTT seems to have become (with the exception of ones with Anthony).

[@adrianhawkins8995]

I can't believe how powerful this Hyper-Visor is. An amazing case study, a fantastic demonstration and proof of concept. Giving you all the virtual thumbs I can brew. Great job, thoroughly entertaining and informative! Cheers 'tink'.'tink'

[@tylerlindberg7881]

Love the cloud gaming! I'd really like to see a... public cloud / private cloud deployment with a self service portal with vGPU support. It's been something I've worked on before and would love to see your rendition of it.

[@MikeHarris1984]

Your shirt in the inro... White-Orange Orange ..... LMAO... I have always mumbled to my self while making RJ45 connections ALmost singing it on each line... I've done this for soooooooooo many years that back in 2000 in Highschool in the newly formed "Computer Tech" class, we learned out to make our own Cat5 cables. I know your shirt if right with WHITE-Orange, but i've always had it drilled in my head as the colors first as it helps me remember and sing my little tune. Orange-white Orange Green-White Blue Blue-White Green Brown-White Brown

[@ShinyTechThings]

I've never heard of porkbun will definitely check them out.

[@FintanMoloney]

Fascinating stuff - was great fun see all the instances of Crysis running at the same time. Would for sure call this project a win !

[@nmihaylove]

I wonder if you'd get better deduplication efficiency if you set the volblocksize of your zvols be the same as the cluster size of the FS you format them with. BTW, what are the values for your setup? The default volblocksize is 8kB, I think, whereas the default NTFS cluster size is 4k. I would suggest setting both to 16kB to cut down on the metadata overhead. Jeff, do you feel like giving it a try?

[@CraftComputing]

That's a great idea. In a quick setup like this, I've left everything at the defaults (8K in ZVOL). I'm working on some testing methodology to start sussing some of this out.

[@Itay1787]

Porkbun are great! I bought my domain there a few years ago and I recently renewed it with them, they are cheap and the service is great.

[@eastcoastmodz5195]

Don't you just love it when Papa Jeff talks tech ... Gets your bits all messed up in a cluster of ones and zeros. Someone defrag me before I toss an error code or BSOD 😂

[@wayland7150]

Outstanding, I'm glad you're sticking with this.

[@JoshuaBoyd]

I would still would love to see you do a cloud video editing or similar variation on this eight games one PC idea

[@corbinxtitus]

Thanks to your series, I've been able to build my cloud gaming server PowerEdge R720 with 128GB of RAM, 2x Xeon E5-2697 V2's, and 2x TESLA K80's. My Operating Systems run locally on a NVME drive, however all my steam library games run off TrueNAS VIA iSCSI with zfs de-dup, which was also the result of one of your videos. I really want to upgrade to M60's but they're very expensive right now.

[@Darkk6969]

I just looked around for M60s on ebay and it's too much for me to spend on one right now. M40 as an experiment is good enough for me to try.

[@corbinxtitus]

@@spicylemon53234 I didn't. I'm using the Dell redundant SD card module for boot.

[@usr01]

That intro was fuckin hilarious.

[@DJSammy69.]

That intro skit OMG Soooo hilarious!! Cool video too.... my maaan!!

[@CraftComputing]

Aw thanks bro

[@maxinemn]

Oh my god you were right... the pork bun ad spot. God that tickled a good side this morning.

[@Tin2388]

Just had my own board meeting before watching this……That ad is hilarious

[@paulbrooks4395]

I have a system with an HV paravirtual guest that I share with my lady. For storage, we both connect to the same SMB TrueNas share for the Steam library. It works very well as we have a 10 Gbit link back to the shared storage. Since Truenas has 128GB of ram with l2arc as well, all games run off the storage flawlessly.

[@greenprotag]

This is essentially the perfect hardware target for roughly 30 years of videogames. With a rom library AND a PC gaming library you could categorically load and stream 8 instances of humanities videogame history (or at least the "top hits") from 1980-2010. Some of those instances could feasibly handle multiple players on older multiplayer titles OR indie titles.

[@greenprotag]

Given that older roms are so small and quick to load, you could offload THAT library to a NAS.

[@mycosys]

pretty much perfect for the computer games that came before that too - most of them were terminal based and ran on mini/mainframe systems this would have no trouble emulating

[@TheCreaperHead]

I'm really wanting to do this exact project! But I gotta get the necessary hardware to do so. I'm close to getting it tho!

[@tynenharris1256]

Best series on KZbin

[@CraftComputing]

I think I'm in 4th place. 1) Colin Furze Tunnel 2) JerryRig Electric Hummer 3) ALCH Apartment Renovation 4) Me

[@tynenharris1256]

@@CraftComputing personally this series is the best. I would love to see a practical 2 gamer one system cloud machine. But the real question is how much do you use your cloud gaming system??

[@Lukehagar]

I love these videos, I usually aim for quite stuff now a days though

[@scottalan4655]

Intro was so funny almost made me cry thanks guys

[@camerontgore]

Love the flash back shirts!

[@tomvandongen8075]

Jesus wept, another S tier sponsor spot!

[@HopsAndBrews]

The best part is the detailed of whiskeys on your shelf in the now and before section

[@jbacken]

From Evan Williams to Whistle Pig, such a nice detail

[@rett.isawesome]

Glad someone noticed!

[@redacted2234]

Freakin space ship man. Gotta get into this server building thing. Sure messing with laptops is cool and fun. Certainly building a pc tower from the floor up is great. But geez dude 😅 the server thing looks amazing. Had to subscribe.

[@JohnHollowell]

Just imagine what 180W of fans would sound like. You could just use your server as a leafblower now that we are getting into fall

[@neosmith80]

i wonder if they would be any better using some noctua fans?

[@andrewr7820]

Ear protection required. Those things are like a leaf blower straight into your ear. Built like tanks though...

[@AG-jj3lx]

Fun! This is what playing with hardware is all about.

[@nodepanda7237]

Awesome video! I think Crysis Remastered has benchmarking tools. You could get some numbers out of that.

[@AirzGamingTTV]

That grin @17:32 when playing eight instances of crysis at the same time.

[@SmokinMoaksBBQ]

That was a great sponsor plug 😂

[@KrumpetKruncher]

"Crysies Machine", LOVE IT!!!!

[@shangtsung2450]

(12:32) When we're seeing the vGPUs here, how are they implemented? Is it a pci-passthrough scheme? Are the requests proxied through one of the VMs? Do we have something else? Would Mesa within each individual client VM work with this without any additional setup? Could the computing power be spread over only 2 VMs instead? Could different GPUs, from e.g. AMD or Intel be used in a similar fashion? Even compute-only GPUs?

[@thefuzzylogic]

Are there any issues with anti-cheat in a system like this? IIRC Linus abandoned his network gaming server project because of that.

[@mr-no-body]

This might be the longest series on KZbin and I love it

[@iwantatransam]

Ok, I'm sold. I'm gonna do this soon. They make a 24Gb version of the M40. did you choose the 12Gb because there isn't enough GPU to split?

[@evgeshka00]

hahaha the intro was pretty damn good!

[@rolandinnamorato1953]

what a legend. nice project.

[@thomashoward5326]

Amazing video, thank you. Would this be applicable to a LAN set up? I.e. 1 machine with 8 separate players stations. How would the displays and keyboards/mice work? Would be amazing if you could do a video for this to!

[@NetScalerTrainer]

Very cool glad you got this working

[@RandomTechWZ]

Used your tutorials to create a remote gaming VM within Proxmox, setup iSCSI to said VM and other PCs, and some other things regarding Plex all using HP Z840s.

[@84Actionjack]

They need to pay you well for that commercial. Very funny

[@i_Kruti]

3:20 your camera lost focous , i thought my picture quality shifted to low resolution.....

[@breadworkshop]

Nice FitGirl repacks shout out

[@CraftComputing]

I was wondering if anyone would notice that :-D

[@fpspiter]

Wondering if it is possible to deal with the GPUs in a completely different way - having multiple GPUs for a single gaming VM instance? Using two M40s or P40s could bring some real performance if the thing scaled well. I remember that we used to have SLI/Crossfire in the consumer grade PCs, but I guess it is not the thing anymore.

[@shangtsung2450]

In terms of Linux driver support, which graphics cards are the best for setting up a gaming and compute homelab server? Is AMD still viable (even considering a recent fiasco with driver regression and the apparent 4-5 years hardware retirement scycle)? Is Intel at a sufficient level at this point? Is NVidia worth to bite the bullet?

[@nerframbo2012]

Watching the Build Montage gave me Mr Roger's Neighborhood vibes idk why 🤣🤣

[@PIayer420TV]

This was my first time watching you and I subbed during your in video ad, that's a fucking first for me . Love that you even changed your booze for the skit when you recalled the past lmao. Bunch of stoners, loved the vid.

[@rondy87]

I have never seen the E5-2898 v3 before lol. 4:05

[@JFlogerzi]

Fantastic video!! Keep the great content coming

[@2mustange]

This takes the question, "But can it play Crysis?" to a whole new level.

[@vasya_cat]

Is it possible to play multiplayer between all of the VMs?

[@brandenrae9803]

I enjoy learning from the information that you put out there. I was wondering if it is possible to have multiple windows OSs in the DeDup? Or will that not work? Or does each Windows OS VM need it's own non-DeDup zvol?

[@user-mw4jb7yl3l]

[FitGirl Repack] 13:38 I died 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@3k3k3]

This is amazing, is a complete walk through video coming?

[@CraftComputing]

Full tutorials are linked in the description for everything you see here.

[@3k3k3]

@@CraftComputing thanks for your tireless efforts to make these videos, i did try the vGPU / Proxmox video you linked above and must admit that i sadly failed, both times :-) Then i went with the Hyper V approach and that seems much more promising, but admittedly doesn't feel as "cool" as the proxmox stuff. As you i have been hunting for a VDI solution since the "dawn" of computers and with the new streaming clients that uses the NVENC hardware we are finally getting there but what really confuses me is that the nvenc streaming tech isn't just a native the host that the virtual machines run on...

[@asunavk69]

Love your content, it is both chilling while informative, hope this kind of things reach out to more people so other tech youtuber can also try it for as niche this sadly is.. I know this is a rather unrelateable thing to ask, but can you do a showcase of gpu passthrough on gaming laptops? I am looking to build like a unified setup, therefore i don't know if it'd be worth to have gaming and workloads to both in and out of my house. Or else just a desktop pc with linux and some vms to work/gaming at home and provide the cloud and a laptop to access it on the cloud and just work/game otg. Keep up the great work :)

[@SeMoDrix]

I need that RJ45 wire layout shirt 😂😂😂

[@CraftComputing]

vkc.sh

[@dmanwithers]

How does this do for newer games? Also, is it possible through UnRAID? Been thinking of giving it a try at some point, but also constantly looking at all options

[@Junior41180]

I Loooooove that custom 45 Drives storage.

[@CraftComputing]

ME TOO!!!!!

[@bdhaliwal24]

Great video. How loud is the server? I imagine even though its passively cooled the case and PSU fan's would be quite loud due to their diameters?

[@CraftComputing]

If you have to ask how loud it is, you've never been around 1U servers ;-)

[@bdhaliwal24]

@@CraftComputing Yeah I guess I will keep searching for those unicorns.

[@romeozor]

I will try to replicate a portion of this on my TR1920X and Radeon S7150 homelab system.

[@nickobard]

Hi. Did you success?

[@WillFuI]

Craft on any of your x79 adventures did u have psu coil while happen when using a sata ssd doing random things? It might just be my board and psu

[@mycosys]

Awesome seeing you get a win at last. I look forward to the LAN video ;P

[@denisbondarenko9041]

Strange config! In your video and in the links I see SuperServer 1027GR-TRF with X9DRT-HF. Right? This motherboard supports Xeon E2 processors with 12 Cores and DDR3 as much as possible, but you have something more advanced stated in the video! Or do I not understand something?

[@michaelrichardson8467]

That opening add 💀💀💀 Jeff lookin like Sammy Hagar 😂

[@SuperHousemusic19]

Very good viedo, i find more easy to run CCBoot on windows server and deploy games as ISCI with only one copy to all 40 diskless PC with very low latency and 4gib ethernet pci as a team for load balancing, and in the end it took only 600GiB of disk space,

[@futzlecker]

Great! I love this setup

[@doderiolarkisso4038]

PCI-Express slot: nice and tight

[@CraftComputing]

It cleared the memory by ~3mm!

[@Alphahydro]

You pulled it off, and with allot less components than LTT.

[@andrewr7820]

And a budget somewhat below $40K. 🙂

[@trevor7066]

Out of curiosity, would Tesla P4 cards work with this build, and if so, would it be considered a worthwhile upgrade? I recently watched the P4 video and it would seem that those cards out perform by quite a bit.

[@GeronimoJenkins]

Wasn't paying attention and had to rewind that intro

[@Marioz773199]

I’m just starting to look into building a virtualization server and I want GPUs for AI projects/gaming. How much power cost does something like this introduce?

[@reinekewf7987]

interrestung you using sata drives, this means you using a standad SAS controller? or can you use nvme on this system too? if yes why you dont buy a adapter bord thats hase the size of a 2.5 inch drive and has on its self a m.2 connector for nvme drives if you want fast drives

[@spagamoto]

Wondering if the NVME SSDs were not actually heavily loaded by all 8 instances, since most of the data that the Cryses needed for that first level were only read ~once (because of dedup) and therefore cached in RAM for the other instances. Could turn off dedup and reinstall Crysis to test.

[@Darkk6969]

The reason for the dedup is to save on disk space not for performance. Would love to buy several 4TB NVME SSDs for ZFS raid but too pricey at the moment.

[@spagamoto]

@@Darkk6969 I understand. I'm just saying the performance test in this video might not perfectly match reality if the machines are loading different levels.

[@RichardSwift]

Imma buy a few more beer glasses because of that opening. 😂

[@CraftComputing]

Check out the new TOS shirts too ;-)

[@RichardSwift]

@@CraftComputing Will do, love your content.

[@feyntmistral1110]

I need to follow along with this eventually. I've wanted to make a gaming server so I can play games on my (non-gaming, fully arting) laptop without issues on the go. It would have been nice to have a total cost listing for a generalisation on what people looking to follow along can expect to pay. I get with eBay it's a bit of a crap shoot. Your $20 Tesla M40 may be $2000 for the next guy. But generally it gives an expected project value from $2k to $20k.

[@martinnielsen7545]

Thanks for all the great videos :) I would like to know more about "Thin Client" or whatever they call it. If I wanted to make a server for my 2 boys so they could game on it, which "Client" should I use and what are the requirements for them if they want to be able to play at 1440p?

[@williamalexander4546]

I'd love to see you checkout newer Tesla's like the P100 as those are starting to go down in price

[@CraftComputing]

They're starting to, and I definitely have my eye on them.

[@HazardousPanic]

How do you handle Windows Licensing? MSDN/VSS? Also, KZbin has been around long enough that watchers know where the links are and pointing to "the usual spot below" isn't required.

[@zonnefroske3225]

thank you good sir

[@LaDiables]

I can only imagine that server is hella loud

[@spotopolis]

Time to start running an old WoW or Diablo Multibox setup for that sweet loot

[@joshua-hammond]

pretty cool Jeff, I have been following you for the last few years. Also it would be pretty cool if there were a way for you to control all 8 instances simultaneously.

[@ezforsaken]

I'm a fan of all self hosted cloud gaming videos you put out there. Question: What's encoding the video? H.264 cpu encoding? NVENC? Does this cards support several nvenc simultaneous streams?

[@max_uaminecraft1827]

It encodes with nvenc, CPU encoding would have horrible latency. That is why he failed with some other GPUs, cause they didn't have an encoder on them

[@ryanwakebradtelle8682]

Why not get a $200 end up to plug for PCI Express slots. You can get one with a bridge chip that allows you to plug twice as many nvme drives to maximize throughput

[@bobalob_72]

The "board meeting" being at 04:20am

[@OverAndOverAndOver]

This is legendary

[@philarmishaw3730]

Jeff you do a great Sammy Hagar impression.

[@GhostDogX]

So good video

[@al2asd1]

I'm wondering how to go about connecting eight monitors, eight mice, and eight keyboards to this server. Could you provide guidance on the process?

[@hotnikq]

Maxwell GDDR5 😅 i hope google put it for sale those P100 servers so we can play with better cards

[@PowerSpartanl99Prod]

Where did you get Nøgne Ø beer? I’ve only seen it in Norway.

[@CoreliaStar]

I'm looking to put together a home, rack, gaming server together just for the server, to connect to, not to game directly from. Being new at this do you need graphics cards when all the server is doing is processing incoming player computers ? I've been surprised at how little i've been able to find about making gaming servers when it's not an old PC / Laptop you are converting. Anything would be a great help.

[@rafaeldepollovassena8765]

What would be the best way to connect remotely to these VMs? Lowest latency and best performance. I mean, if I have a powerful workstation and I want to run proxmox with 3 VMs for 3 people on a local network.