Crank hub upgraded. What’s next for my F80 BMW M3? Picking it up from Kies Motorsports!

[@MichaelNNguyen]

Awesome work. I trust Kies Motorsport over any BMW dealerships in the US.

[@TommyLGarage]

Agreed and thank you very much!

[@KiesMotorsports]

Great videos and it’s always great seeing you guys 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@TommyLGarage]

Love the service and friendship.

[@rogermoore2365]

Great video

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks for the shout out man! 🙏 Much appreciated. We'll have to get you up on our channel (besides the auto show 👍👍)

[@TommyLGarage]

Sounds great!!!

[@jpbredenkamp5091]

Brian seems like such a genuine nice guy. I wish I lived closer so I could have him work on my car

[@TommyLGarage]

Oh yes he’s the best

[@wjohnsonism]

Oh boy, I’m in Florida and feel a road trip drop off, fly home coming for my F80!

[@TommyLGarage]

Not a bad plan!

[@SL9SH]

The general consensus is that there’s not a single car that suffered catastrophic enginefailure from a slipped crank hub, on the other hand there are a few cars that got bent valves or seized engines from the “upgraded” hub, seems that when these upgraded hubs fail they fail in an epic way. It’s maybe one those if it’s not broken don’t fix it, or fix it with the OEM part.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well OEM part is the one that fails. I have personally met a guy who spun his in stock turbos and a tune at only 6K miles.

[@SL9SH]

Tommy L Garage thanks for interacting with your community Tommy, if you have some spare time have a read on this, f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1226184 All that suffered engine damage were upgraded hubs, specially TPGs

[@behindthen0thing525]

@@SL9SH nobody is running tpg anymore.

[@SL9SH]

Behindthen0thing sorry what’sTPG?

[@CartubeCoIl]

These new age tractor engines we have. Yesterday I fueled my car next to a 2002 Honda Gold Wing, my God that engine, sounds like a butter, so smooth.

[@TommyLGarage]

Agreed

[@micraw714]

No more waking up at night in cold sweats from crank hub nightmares! 😁 👌

[@TommyLGarage]

Mic Raw I know!!!!

[@musumbabanda6556]

It would have been great if you did a full video of the Crank hub upgrade, just to give us a picture of how much work is needed just to upgrade the Crank hub.

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s a 22 hour job....

[@Jatt.Lalkar]

Wish we had someone like Kies Motorsport here in the UK 🇬🇧 These guys are so knowledgeable and passionate about there F80 F82

[@TommyLGarage]

Indeed. Very cool shop.

[@Makiyura]

Eventuri are guys that are BMW passionate like Kies.

[@nevaloseheart]

Theres a few specialists in the UK. Evolve automotive is one of them.

[@TheAlextv100]

Lmao Kies Motorsports should just franchise out to LA

[@bootneck401664]

Jatt Lalkar Tom Wrigley Performance in the U.K.

[@m3clubracer]

That board made my week!

[@TommyLGarage]

nice!

[@bubby372]

It's great to have a shop like that nearby.

[@TommyLGarage]

I’m very lucky

[@ExhaustNoteChannel]

The infamous crank hub! I still haven't done this to my M3 and I have been running full E85 for a few years now. (6 speed manual)

[@TommyLGarage]

Ooooffff. You’re playing with fire !

[@davis7323]

And yet you're still good, after all these years with e85 power

[@hwyfools]

Congrats TLG! Ready for next level.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks! I’m excited

[@hevendranarayansamy2793]

700hp. Nice. Should be fun to drive. And love the shop tour.

[@TommyLGarage]

Realistically I’ll stick with 600 HP

[@hevendranarayansamy2793]

Hey when you fetched the car did you notice the carbon fibre seat inserts?

[@TommyLGarage]

Hevendra Narayansamy nope. Only after watching his video!

[@DrHistoryV]

I learned my lesson with chasing the peace of mind on so many different platforms, at this point in my life I just drive them stock w/ extended warrant. But If my f80 was out of warranty I am not 100% sure i'd still do this mod, if I could see the true incidence of crank failure (official bmw data), then i could make a decisions whether I wanted to mitigate the risk or not. back when I had an s2000 there was a similar issue with the TCT

[@TommyLGarage]

I hear your point and it’s fair. But it’s an expensive fix to have to do out of warranty

[@armandohernandez3423]

I really wish Brian from kies motorsports lived in Colorado lol, thanks a lot for all the videos Tommy its really helped me with my m3.

[@TommyLGarage]

Anytime! Maybe we will open up a west coast shop

[@DadUsed2Skate]

Open one in Florida lol

[@armandohernandez3423]

Is it true it's like 4000 dollars to get the max psi crank hub?

[@rogermoore2365]

I need to get mine done. I hope the price is right

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s $$ but worth it

[@number36420]

Ah, life before Covid. No worries about thanking a friend with a handshake, people around , no worries. I miss this

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree…

[@srodri14]

How much did it cost in total? Looking for an M4 and that along with upgrading the charge pipe will be the first things I do to to the car

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s a $4k job all in

[@srodri14]

Tommy L Garage not so bad!! But dealer pretty sure charges over 6k lmao! thank u for the answer! I’m from Canada, love ur channel. U deserve more subs

[@bmwsincekid]

What is a Bmw Master Tech?🤔 i never see any Garage advertising it like Bmw Specialist (Master tech)!!?

[@TommyLGarage]

Because garages can’t afford them. These guys usually work At dealers and go through specialized training each year.

[@bmwsincekid]

Tommy L Garage But people always criticises Bmw Dealer Mechanics Right🤔? In my Experience There are not many People Who is actually good in what their doing!! And this is true to any Field but especially to Mechanics !!

[@behindthen0thing525]

Every time I take mine too the dealer they fuck it up

[@maniLNW]

I didn't think SCH was an issue with 6MT F8X, is it? At least the only ones I've come across online have all been DCT. Kies seems very cool indeed; exactly who I would use for work if I lived in the area.

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s really an issue on all cars pushing more power. I really didn’t need to do this but I’d never sleep well if I hadn’t gotten it done.

[@danilorodriguez4665]

Important to add that new B58 and S58 engines does have integrated crank hub's

[@TommyLGarage]

Then it’s sort of admitting that they screwed up with this one

[@danilorodriguez4665]

@@TommyLGarage It does indeed, :)

[@mirkosinovcic139]

@@TommyLGarage what about n55...does he nead upgrade.....i want to add inercooler and turbo and already have downpipe and akrapovic....

[@jason82180]

What do they charge to replace the crank hub? I'm talking parts and labor

[@TommyLGarage]

Should be around $3900 all-in

[@DelroyGill]

What was the cost of crank hub replacement?

[@TommyLGarage]

Back then around $3k

[@ScottParisi]

Cool video. If my CarPlay module ever arrives, I'll be there for the install in my F83.

[@TommyLGarage]

You’ll love it. It changes the way you interact with your car. I love it

[@wearethetraffic]

Curious it appears you live you live the S Plainfield/Edison area... Why not use Maximum PSI or AutoCouture vs Kies Motorsports?

[@TommyLGarage]

I had a bad experience with Max PSI. Maybe it was a one off but it left a bad taste. Kies works on cars the way I would - hence my decision to go with them even though they are fairly far

[@NicholasMSmiff]

Hey Tommy, glad you got some peace of mind. Did you consider the VTT crank hub fix and the bolt capture? If you did, is there a reason you didn't go with it?

[@TommyLGarage]

I didn’t think the bolt capture was enough. Even with the capture the hub can slip

[@NicholasMSmiff]

@@TommyLGarage They have a spline lock hub that goes with the capture too, that's what I was talking about

[@rodrigojdangond]

Tommy so the crank hub is needed only in cars that are going to be modified? This week plan to buy M2C and got scared with this issue.

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes. Stock car don’t worry!

[@JoseFernandez-dt7rv]

Crank hub link is broken

[@Osha1]

I purchased a used m3, i'm kinda scared now LOL. It's completely stock though, should it be a concern?

[@TommyLGarage]

You should have zero concern. Don’t worry and enjoy the car.

[@davis7323]

Tune and catless downpipe, 510whp. Wonder, do I really need to change this crank hub? Some people are pushing over 550whp and no issues...

[@JohnSmith-cz3ml]

Nice I’ve got stage 2 and downpipe been waiting to drive it ruff going with the VTT spline lock Replacement . Do you know of anything bout them?

[@TommyLGarage]

John Smith id be skeptical of a spline lock. Yes it’s cheaper but it’s not necessarily the bolt coming lose. It’s the gears slipping against the friction washer

[@jaimehurtado356]

I have a %100 stock f80 I wanted to get stage 1 bm3 still stock just tune do I have to do the crank hub ASAP for this? I drive the car rather conservatively I just like to do a pull when merging onto the highway

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s worth to do it

[@KyleH_03]

So if I got an F80. Did the crank hub fix. Go full bolt ons and E85, my engine should be fine? I'm between the F80 and a CTS V3

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s correct! Or buy my car :)

[@samehasan9777]

In the ballpark how much would ya pay approximately?

[@lourenco121]

The cost for the Crank hub fix depends on the hourly rate the shop charges, so it can be on the low end at around $3200 or up to $6200 on the higher end. I found that SSR-Performance in CA charges $3200 to $3600 installed. Foreign Affairs Motorsport located in pompano Florida charges $6200 installed.

[@behindthen0thing525]

Around 1200 to 1500 if you go with an independent mechanic. Join an m flight group

[@JrzyG80]

Welcome to the crank hub fix club. Very good insurance policy and let Ray hate just remind him of his air suspension lol

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha true!

[@MrEverythingNeeded]

How much did those cost if you don’t mind me asking. I have a stock F82 2015 M4 and I am wanting to know if I should upgrade my crank hub

[@TommyLGarage]

Around $4k all in

[@MrEverythingNeeded]

Tommy L Garage would you recommend I upgrade the crank hub? It’s stock at 51k miles

[@EePingLiang]

I really like your car's color. Cool channel!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks for watching !!

[@jt_zx10r51]

I’m looking to purchase a used 2016 M3 but kinda scare of the crank hub issues. How much would it cost to get this done? I heard it would be around $4k for parts and labor.

[@TommyLGarage]

Sounds about right.

[@jliao3100]

Alright, max psi no longer sells the crunk hub, ssr might be another option then?

[@TommyLGarage]

Kies Motorsports has their own kit now

[@ioanindrei4495]

hi, can you please tell me, from where can i find the new reinforced crunk hub?

[@TommyLGarage]

Contact [e-mail] who will source you one

[@Jonny789321]

My friend ask me how much did it cost to put the crank hub we live here in Orlando Florida

[@TommyLGarage]

Contact Kies. They’ll give you the best price

[@leekindell9937]

brilliant Tommy glad your doing this how much did you pay for crank hub, im in uk, over here its about £2000 pounds.

[@TommyLGarage]

It was a bit more than that but totally worth it

[@ioanindrei4495]

Please can you tell me from where can i buy this ??

[@ioanindrei4495]

i am from romania

[@kentbummerm5586]

Do I need to do it on a stock S55 engine? I got M4 that I daily drive, 45k miles, never done anything expect maintenance.

[@TommyLGarage]

Nope. Don’t worry and just drive

[@phatduong6518]

If if dont tune my f80 and keep all stock , do i really need to replace the Ch, and how to advoid it fail ?

[@TommyLGarage]

Apparently yes. It can happen to stock cars too

[@john4iraq]

How much did it cost you with the labor?

[@TommyLGarage]

It was the best quote I got

[@itsmystorytillnow]

In thinking of buying a 2016 m4. What did it cost to do this ?

[@TommyLGarage]

$4k

[@jkpisces]

the part in your link doesnt exist anymore

[@eastcoastexotics8078]

Just wish they would accept the ssr crank hub replacement

[@TommyLGarage]

The one they sell is great

[@charlest9314]

Tommy your idle ain’t right.. what’s that metallic rattling. My f80 comp isn’t anywhere near that loud

[@TommyLGarage]

Must be all the leftover screws ;)

[@ess6387]

Going for the LLF M4 approach 🤞🏽

[@TommyLGarage]

Canada S what’s that?

[@subwrx2]

Tommy L kzbin.info/www/bejne/l53doGaMgbB7mpo

[@cagaming6789]

link doesnt work anymore. do they still do this work?

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes they do. You just have to email them.

[@cagaming6789]

@@TommyLGarage Thank you sir

[@Just-Ross]

As a percentage of modified M3/M4's out there, how many have spun the crank hub to the point where it's caused more damage than this fix costs? There are thousands of modified cars out there, and I've only heard of a handful of those that have spun the crank hubs - and all of those have been early cars (2014/15/16).. Is there any evidence that this is even a widespread problem?

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes and no but the fact that I personally know people who have spun their hubs speaks volumes.

[@Just-Ross]

@@TommyLGarage Thanks for your reply :) Equally however, I personally know around a dozen modified F8x cars (600+ hp) who haven't. I'm not putting down the fix, I'm just trying to decide if the 'risk' is worth the extremely high cost of the fix - especially on my 2018 car (where I've yet to see anyone spin a crank hub, anywhere on any forum I'm on). It's like insuring against a meteor strike to your house I guess. I mean, it *could* happen... :)

[@UGAexploder]

@@Just-Ross Before buying an M4 I researched this thoroughly, and my understanding is that it is an absolute non-issue. And if you are under warranty, there is absolutely no worries regarding the crank hub (possibly less than 1% of all F8x cars. I think most of the scare is derived from past issues on M3's with subframe, rod bearings, etc.

[@Just-Ross]

Savage Patch Kids much appreciated. This was certainly the gut feeling I was starting to get. Several people “know someone who knows someone who’s mate it happened to” but as a percentage of cars out there on the forums and so on, there’s only been one or two reported cases. All on high mile, early cars. Appreciate you taking the time to reply :)

[@rustyredscooter7192]

@@TommyLGarage What is the assurance that the new upgraded hub won't spun as well? the manaufacturers only give one year warranty or any at all?

[@The_Diesel733]

I dont see that hood on kies website

[@TommyLGarage]

Working on it

[@The_Diesel733]

@@TommyLGarage Nice Tommy Nice

[@bi0n1]

Any shop recommended in Los Ángeles?

[@TommyLGarage]

Hhmmm. A future Kies Branch !

[@Shadowmanners]

Nice! How much was it total?

[@TommyLGarage]

It was the best quote I got

[@Shadowmanners]

@@TommyLGarage Not doubting that, just curious how much of an investment it is, considering 20 hours++ of labour deep inside the engine, looked expensive! If you got a discount, a no discount price is cool too, just to get a ball park.

[@TommyLGarage]

IsraeliPilot I can tell you privately but I’d rather not say it publicly on the farm because the price could change and I don’t want to solidify anything. I can tell you that I reached out to four different shops and this one was by far the cheapest

[@Shadowmanners]

@@TommyLGarage cool, completely get it.

[@jordandimaculangan8219]

@@TommyLGarage hey Tommy would you mind pm me the approximate cost

[@Urban_atelierbyabe]

Does f80s have crank hub problems?

[@TommyLGarage]

Some do some don’t

[@JayKnub]

You made the right choice! I just spun my crank after running an e85 tune. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception on e85 tuned s55's.

[@TommyLGarage]

Damn. Sorry to hear that. Hope you’re close to Kies

[@JayKnub]

@@TommyLGarage nope, having to have the work done at the dealership. After some convincing and having the regional tech rep approve the max psi fix, they are doing the install. They are charging about $2500 MORE than most shops charge. But it's cheaper than shipping the car.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ouch. At least now you’ll have a peace of mind

[@AbletonLiveTechs]

What was the total cost?

[@TommyLGarage]

Should be around $4k

[@hxllxman]

What was BMW Engineer thinking!

[@TommyLGarage]

Poor design

[@Infinitesyndicate.]

I would think the solid one piece crank hub is better than the keyed one🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TommyLGarage]

They are for the most part the same, the issue is with the installation. A two piece crank hub is a lot easier to replace than a single piece

[@Infinitesyndicate.]

Tommy L Garage gotcha👍🏼

[@gregpapagno5683]

I like the imola red

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s actually Ferrari red

[@kentbummerm5586]

Where is he located?

[@TommyLGarage]

Hammonton NJ

[@R1ATLANTA]

How much was the crank hub fix? I’m curious I want this peace of mind also hahah

[@TommyLGarage]

Reach out to Kies. Guaranteed best price

[@philipheo2129]

We need number.

[@adnanselimovic5567]

How much do they charge?

[@TommyLGarage]

Around $3.9k I think

[@rpdrpd4153]

$4k?! Ouch!

[@RaiyzorX]

When’s the California branch open. 🤨

[@TommyLGarage]

Working on it :)

[@Daniel-uw1wt]

Please open one in oregon cuz I need it 😭

[@TommyLGarage]

National expansion coming soon

[@rogermoore2365]

Nice

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks !

[@luanshaqiri1611]

Damn, my bad I live in Europe. I would have let Brain do that to my F82 too!

[@TommyLGarage]

Time to move! Hehe

[@demolisherOfMoney]

Do you think the M6 S63 engine need to have upgraded crank hubs? lol

[@TommyLGarage]

Lol nope

[@spdrasr3]

I love BMW's but typical BMW won't fix their own widespread issues similar to the known valve carbon buildup on the N55.

[@TommyLGarage]

At least there’s an easy fix

[@spdrasr3]

@@TommyLGarage costly

[@kuervers03]

dunno if id call .05% widespread

[@spdrasr3]

@@kuervers03 No I wouldn't either. The carbon buildup issue was greater then that on the N55 if you just look up on the forums it's yet to be seen the extent of the crank hub issue but seems to be growing

[@ronintheamazon1492]

Does crankhub with just a cs tune 😂😂

[@realsterg8543]

Not convinced this is an issue

[@TommyLGarage]

I personally know people who had this issue. Won’t risk it. And the new BMW engines have a single piece crank hub

[@JayKnub]

It happened to me, so its been very real.

[@DiscoWalrus]

Me, BluesCluesM3, AryanM3, Blake'sGarage and his m4. You can take the risk but the price to pay when you lose the bet is your motor.

[@MrJc22334455]

The crank hub issue is over hyped. Yes if you are going to do stage 3+ tune then maybe but there are no issues. Lots of garages spreading the rumours to scare people to get the upgrade.

[@TommyLGarage]

I know a few people who had this issue. One fun spun his a day before he was supposed to get an upgrade

[@rogermoore2365]

Your missing your engine cover

[@TommyLGarage]

Took it off because of charge pipes

[@rogermoore2365]

@@TommyLGarage ok

[@def-supreme5409]

NOPE; I don't think so...........

[@TommyLGarage]

How come?

[@m4_mark_]

First 💯

[@TommyLGarage]

The internet thanks you!!!!

[@Hmmm313]

Why bmw makes junks?...

[@TommyLGarage]

Who knows.