Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: 1.9" ProLine Trenchers (Predator)

[@Tyrells_Tiny_Trucks]

I love my Predator Krawlers for the damp and slimy Tennessee rocks, roots, and soft dirt especially, but also as an all around crawling tire, even on warm and dry grippy rock. I think the softer compund pairs well with the larger non-siped lugs to give that all around performance. Otherwise with Proline I am sticking with G8. And, mostly due to The Canyon, I'm getting into Jconcepts offerings now.

[@HollerRC]

The crawler on my profile pic came with what I think are G8 trenchers. They are really good with my 3d printed inserts.

[@HollerRC]

It came with single stage foams in the rear and xl hairbuns in the front.

[@lastcreations8845]

hooray. what compound Scorpios do you have ? always wondered Predator trenchers vs green Scorpios

[@StubbsRC]

I have green Scorpios, and pred trenchers. I can't get either to work if there's any dust on the rocks.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

JConcepts crawler tires come in one flavor: Green. And Green is much closer to G8 than it is to Predator.

[@lastcreations8845]

Okay, i dont jconcepts, lol. Just patterns visually appear so close and similar height lug. Interesting temperature test between. scorpios have my interest though.

[@lippedgerm]

Ive got trencher in G8 and absolutely love them. Always pulling lines that my other tires just dont

[@westdesertwheeler]

My advice echoes something you mentioned here but I push towards G8 and that is, pick whatever tread pattern you want as long as it’s G8 you can’t lose. From 100° sandstone terrain I am not a fan of predator.

[@Stealthfoams]

So proline trenchers or proline swampers in your opinion, I’m looking at both but I don’t know what’s better on the rocks

[@Br0rB]

I run predator compound Super Swampers on my lcg rig, and they hook up like crazy in our Norwegian climate. Being fall here now, and like 10 degrees Celsius, they still do fantastic. I run them with my dual stage, dual compound 3d printed inserts, so side hilling is pretty great as well. The set I sent you is probably state side already, so should hopefully be with you soon. 😊

[@Team_ReVolt]

Do you print your own inserts?

[@Br0rB]

@@Team_ReVoltI do, for my 10th scale and my small scale rigs. I have done several variations and prototypes these last 7-8 months. I have landed on one I really like now, and that I use in my lcg rig, and have sent of to a friend in another part of the country for him to try out. He's been really happy with it too. :) I have also sent a full set of my softs to Crawler Canyon, and they're on their way there as we speak. What I have landed on is a sort of dual stage insert with two different types of filament. A stiffer TPU inner ring, and a very soft tpu outer ring, and I have a few options for the inner and outer, depending on rig weight. The ones I sent to the Canyon are the soft/medium inner, soft outer. We'll see if they work as well for him as they do for my friend and I. Lately I have been working on an outer for the Injora red dual stage, using that heavy, hard red inner ring of theirs, for smaller tires. Seems to do quite well so far. :) You can see the insert in action in one of my latest KZbin shorts, with the blue and orange cliffhanger bodied rig.

[@Team_ReVolt]

I 'm gonna check that out. Temps in Belgium are very different then in California but not so much different than in Norway. I wonna/gonna start printing inserts for Tusks and Ruptures. And hopefully find something good for my Klerms. I work from the havy injora ring as a base for them.

[@Br0rB]

@@Team_ReVolt Yeah, Norway and Belgium is definitely closer in climate than either is with California. It's fall here now, leaves are turning yellow, and it's raining several days a week. Temperature is anywhere from 5 to 15 degrees, so not very warm. If you have a 3D printer I'd encourage you to try. In my experience it will take a bit of tweaking to figure out the TPU stuff. Mind you, I was a complete beginner when I figured I'd try to print inserts. If you have experience 3D printing, it'll probably go a lot smoother, and not waste as much filament that I did in the beginning. 😅 So far I have been focusing on 4.75 tires, mainly to have something that works for my Proline tires, and my friend is also running 4.75s. The Injora outer I have done is for 4.45, mounted in my Injora knock offs of the Super Swamper, a surprisingly nice tire, albeit small. Printing with TPU can be a bit tricky, especially the soft stuff. I use Fiberlogy Fiberflex 30D, which is less than 80A shore hardness, for the outer ring. It basically feels like a soft ruber band. And I use just some cheap 95A for the inner ring. You can get away with a regular bowden extruder for 95A TPU, but for the really soft stuff, you'll need a direct drive extruder. I have just been using a really cheap direct drive extruder off of AliExpress, and it's not great. Really hard to get a decent print with the softest TPU. I have a better on one the way, and have paused printing until that's in place. I did manage to print like 6-7 sets already though, plus quite a few sets for 1.0" wheels.

[@francotarantino982]

Channel member here saying hello from Michigan. Thanks for being a part of the Canyon.

[@mikeearls8158]

I recently bought this tire in the Predator compound and it has performed okay in the Central Valley of California, I apparently have increased traction to look forward to over the fall and winter months 👍🏼. Also curious what the bubble juice is?

[@lastcreations8845]

store bought kids bubbles, slippery aid for pushing wheels in lip. guessing water ,dish soap ,Glycerin. good info in the channels other videos check them out :)

[@meirdeaph]

Awesomeness ❤❤

[@neildaniels5443]

I reckon you should build a propa dedicated test rig.....no offence ta Baseline, but we need a rig dat can represent all types n weights of rigs......jus a thought......

[@mattman213]

Been watching your tests lately and loving them. What wheels are those and the orange/gold ones you have been using lately?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The cheapest Amazon has to offer. When I'm shopping for the "test wheels," there are a few basic criteria: "standard" SLW-style changeable hubs, alloy rings, and 6-bolt backs. I don't look for one brand over another, really. I need economical, because I have to put them together and take them apart dozens of times, which wears out the cheap wheels. They're honestly only good for maybe 50-60 cycles. On Amazon, HYBDX, Globact, COOWOO, MoHero, and GoolRC are often the cheapest, with GoolRC tending to be the low-price leader amzn.to/49B33G9. The all-orange test wheels are GoolRC, and at the time ran me around $21 a set.

[@mattman213]

@@CrawlerCanyon WOW thanks for the reply for sure. Cheap is the name of the game around here with my Sons getting into it and was back when I was bigger into the hobby myself. Im dusting off my ancient rigs and building them some from my spares and have fallen into a need for wheels and tires all around. Keep the awesome content coming, its been refreshing while getting back into the hobby for sure!

[@TheAmericanUhate]

Just started the video right now. The predator compound is recommended for sub 60 degree temps and G8 for 60+ temps. My experience with both, I prefer the G8 personally.

[@nicholasstephey8475]

Mr canyon. I have been looking for days to find the episode Where you show how to find Ch, crossweight, and how the weight should act with the front up and rear up. Can you please help a brother out.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKfdaaGLadKrjpY

[@badcredentials4230]

I’ve driven these predator trenchers and predator hyrax in 113-116 air temp and they definitely didn’t handle it well. Like Wagyu beef they just started to melt on the rock and feeling those tyres vs a fresh set the rubber feels to have changed. I do have a couple sets on 2.2 U4 cars and they actually seem to hold up pretty well with crawler innovations dual stage foams, no noticeable difference in wear between the pred and the g8 at this stage.

[@brianmorrison2846]

I got hit in the head and bought these tires. I have yet to find a home for them. Nice review

[@brianmorrison2846]

I would rather have $64 dollars

[@fromfin90]

Proline Predators work quite well here northern europe, in Finland. my C2 Sport has predator in front and G8 in rear, plenty overdrive. Mainly because its all they had in stock back then haha, just these Trenchers. but in certain situations it been useful having slightly slipperier rear when adjusting angles. Had mine a couple years, they are getting worn :D works quite well in rain and dirt too!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Well, I should hope so. If y'all had a July day that we would call "Wednesday," I imagine the whole country would melt. Hell, this is October and it's gonna be 34ºC today.

[@fromfin90]

@@CrawlerCanyon yeah 34 is a wee bit too hot for us

[@drowildcat2960]

Nice another proline tires test in the canyon !! I wish the course building videos were not in shorts ruins all that content for us that only watch regular KZbin videos I can't watch any of them You do realize that shorts can't be put on a big screen / cast to tv You have to watch them on your little phone screen im not in highschool i do not stare at my phone screen to watch videos ..

[@CrawlerCanyon]

You're gonna have to talk to the algorithm-- any time I put out a short, it's like fishing. I'm testing the water to see how the algorithm is handling "impressions," which is how people that aren't subscribed find my channel. Getting new viewers is because unless the magical AI decides to show a channel, no one will ever find it. This week alone I've found two crawler channels that I've never heard of, and both are in the 2k-3k sub range. The only way to get more views is to get more impressions, and the only way to get more impressions is to get more views. I've never tried to cast to a TV, honestly. I watch Shorts on my desktop all the time.

[@davidwatlington3737]

I've ran Trencher Predators with 3Bros at all of our comps this year. No complaints at all regardless of the southeastern temps. Also don't see the incredible wear you speak of. BTW Love the channel.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I equate comp crawling to "regular" crawling the same way I would track driving to street driving. How many minutes would you guess you're operating a rig at a given comp? Would you say it's even an hour for a day of competition? This was an... uh... spirited discussion that would often come up in road cycling. Someone would say, "Oh, these tires are the best, I've been using them for 2 years, never gotten a flat." And I would say, "But how many miles are on them?" And they would invariably give some small-ish three digit number. Yeah, if a bike tire is rated on it's performance over a few hundred miles, they can all be pretty great. I was wearing a rear tire out every 3-4 months. So when I would have Tire A showing cords after 3,300 miles, but Tire B is falling apart at 1,200, there was no performance differential that could justify it. Were this one of those Motor Trend long-term tests of say a Canyon Trail vs. anything Predator, we can all see the outcome already. Anything super exotic is definitely here for a good time and not for a long time, and I'm still not willing to embrace that philosophy at $34 a pair. I'm still waiting for China to stumble into hyper-exotic compounds, so we can get a set of tires that are a step above liquid rubber, which will wear the tread off in a matter of hours, but can be bought on AliExpress for $20 a set.

[@postalacidity]

I run these on my comp rig. They just work.

[@francotarantino982]

I'm happy with my "Canyon'ized" Canyon trails. These PL's are nice though.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I'm certainly not replacing any of the fleet CTs with Trenchers. Excellent tire, too expensive.

[@AnyAssumptionBanter]

It eludes me. A note about arnie in a trench hiding from the predator

[@durden.tyler537]

Predator Hyrax on dual stage foams, Doc. It’s almost too good….

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I've yet to see a ProLine tire (or any tire for that matter) that provided what I would call a "level of grip commensurate to their price point." They're all just a little bit too expensive, and ProLine seems all to willing to... lead the charge, as it were. At a certain point, you just can't buy more grip. I firmly believe that these tires did this well because they lucked into absolutely perfect conditions. They should be here awhile, so I'll have the opportunity to see how they hold up. These tires have every opportunity to change my thoughts on ProLine, but that is a (no pun intended) uphill climb. Fully outfitted Canyon Trails are about $75. These are about $130. And we all acknowledge that they aren't twice as good. They're much better. Let it be known-- if JConcepts turned around and started selling Tusks or Megalithics for $34 a pair, ProLine would have some company.

[@durden.tyler537]

Every $5000 you spend in drag racing doesn’t shave off a full second, but when you get down into the single digits every 0.10 is significant.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@durden.tyler537 things like Predator compound are inarguably power creep. Worse than that, they give the unsuspecting the idea that they can buy performance. If I was doing competitive divisions, the first thing I'd institute is a spec tire class. Somebody new wants to get into comps, finds out the "top guys" have $100 bolted onto each corner. When it comes to drag racing, bracket racing FTW. Separate the skills from the wallet. Unless it's corporate sponsored. Then I say bring back the 1/4, give them variable downforce, and go for it.

[@brianmassey7563]

Those tires (I have the same) are AWEFUL if there is mud at all. We have a lot of areas where we'll have runoff from the cliffs, and these tires turn in to a mudball real fast. I still can't find a rig they work well on though...my amazon dual stage are too stiff for it.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I definitely feel like these got the absolute perfect testing conditions.

[@BrandonM83]

as is tradition. I got a South Park vibe 🤣

[@jmitch3008]

Sir I just fired off an email with a link to another possible junk view tire

[@themadscientistofmakers339]

Trenchers are great unless you get any type of wet mud in the treads. They don't clear out well and are basically useless in those conditions. Stock foams, as stated, are pretty garbage. Add some 3d printed inserts and steer clear of the mud holes and you'll have a ball. Definitely a set up for those with a bit deeper pockets

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I feel like I've tested so many tires now that I can tell at a glance what's not gonna like wet. Trenchers are there with tires like JCon Scorpios and Duratrax Scalers-- once they got that mud, they GOT THAT MUD.

[@themadscientistofmakers339]

@CrawlerCanyon I will say that the Duratrax Fossil (which I bought on your recommendation) do like to get clogged with mud, but are far more functional than the trenchers in that situation. I'm a Jconcepts green man myself, but you've definitely fostered my obsession with trying different tires as of late.

[@jackhando5465]

Typical Pro-Line tire test at the Canyon. The hatred just saturates the audio. Great tire...wrong product line

[@CrawlerCanyon]

My distaste for ProLine is so wide I can't get around it, so low I can't get under it, and absolutely so high that I can't get over it.

[@meirdeaph]

😂😂

[@Cassienope]

​@@CrawlerCanyonI bought proline dual stage foams before I found your channel. I am so conflicted.

[@drowildcat2960]

​​​@@CrawlerCanyonThe hatred for proline you should truly be able to get over and drop since it is owned by a different company now horizon hobby from when you had your problem with proline there's probably not even the same group of people that work there now If I stop supporting every brand of RC that I had a problem with I wouldn't even be in the hobby anymore every brand has had their problems but to hang such a dark cloud over the whole proline brand after it being sold off for this long is kind of unfair if you look at it from an outside perspective You're also in a different part of the hobby crawling I thought you had problems with go fast tires from proline duratrax is owned by horizon hobby and many other brands but they don't get the dark cloud the pro line does maybe proline actually had to sell off brand because they did have problems internally but with new ownership I don't believe the feelings you had for the old companies should pass on to new side of proline I understand that there is a bad experience but I guarantee those people are gone now or have changed their attitudes because they're not under the old proline umbrella anymore