Creality K1 Max Vs Qidi X Max 3

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Overall I think both printers are pretty good but need some updates, what do you think? Have you used either one of these before?

[@stew675]

You have the older revision of the Qidi. The newer ones which have been shipping since mid-November have updated print heads that solve the clogging issues, and just better part cooling overall. Also has an inductive level sensor instead. What's odd is that Qidi keep sending the old versions to KZbinrs to review when they have had the newer models for almost 4 months now.

[@Kimberlie1]

In fact, I think I saw something about QIDI already posted on their ins channel last October. Maybe it's not that QIDI has been sending older versions to creators, but rather that this content was posted so far from the time it was received on the machine.🤔🤔🤔@@stew675

[@hobbyballs]

Excellent video! I have both machines, and my only complaint with the k1 max has been the bed. It is so warped that im tired of dealing with bad first layers. I emailed creality last week to see if they will resolve the issue. I have only had it a couple of months. They still have not responded. Other than that, i love it. Have it rooted and use orca. The only complaint i have so far with the xmax 3 is the filament sensor, stoping long prints for no reason and loose bolts. I had loose bolts on the print head and on the frame. Good machine other than those small things. Thanks for the vid, you got a new subscriber.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

We seem to have the same complaints hahah but I do think they are both good printers each with their own downsides. I have about 50 hours into the k1C and it’s been great actually. It could be the smaller bed or they updated something but the first layer has been far better.

[@TheDeeStain]

I was about to comment the same thing on the k1 max. I've tried everything under the sun to make it level and can only get it to a variance of .56 on bed mesh.I have both as well but I don't have any of the QIDI issues you have. Also my QIDI has a variance of .1 which is nuts.

[@xDarkShadowKnightx]

The filament sensor is actually disabled by default for whatever reason. It can be enabled in the Tune section of the Fluidd web interface.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Qidi Offered a $30 off coupon for their website for one week, use code TWO-MOOSE-DESIGN if you're interested in this machine. There are also links in the description to our patreon, K1 max links, and items we've used in this video. Thanks for watching, we appreciate it!

[@jankof76]

I love my Qidi X-Max 3, the only issue I've had was loading an old filament that I forgot to dry, it broke inside the extruder while loading which required me to remove the nozzle to remove the clog. It's a beast, been running no stop for 4 months, Carbon, Pet-G, ABS, ASA with perfect prints, I really don't use regular PLA in it often, I reserve PLA for my Bambu Labs A1's.

[@Luciddreamlbj]

Man I wish I could figure mine out. I plugged it in, put the black filament in, and did the leveling. Then tried to print the little test boat and all I got was a big mess of string everywhere. I have no clue how to work this thing or the app. No clue on temps or anything. It didn’t come with much for instructions. I’m a beginner though.

[@jankof76]

@ did you use the high speed filament sent with machine?

[@Luciddreamlbj]

@ yes the black roll that came with it.

[@NightRunner417]

@Luciddreamlbj I just generally feel like you climbed Mount Everest for your first hill, lol. Any 3d printer is going to feel like doing voodoo rituals to get it working right when you're a newbie in the field. I've been doing 3d printing for over 10 years now and just tonight I had a revelation about warp on my Esun ABS+ prints and realized I've been thinking about it backwards - I need LESS total heat not more. So counterintuitive but there it is. These things will school you FOR LIFE. If you're making spaghetti, then one of two things is happening IMHO: 1) Your base layer is not sticking to the bed. Watch it closely as it starts printing and if you see it just peeling free as it goes, there's your problem. Actually so many print failures come down to that base layer, since all other layers are using it as a foundation. 2) It is possible that your extrusion is hit and miss, as in the filament is not flowing continuously. Any time extrusion stops, it leaves a gap, so the next layer is printing with nothing under it to bond to. Same deal as a bad base layer but it can happen anywhere in the print. Work on that base layer first. Once you KNOW you have a good, solid, clean base layer, then you can move on to the next problem and next problem.

[@NightRunner417]

@@jankof76 I'm leaning very strongly towards this machine as my next printer. I'm laughably still using a heavily modified Robo 3D MkII which has carried me through many years of PLA, PETG, TPU, ABS, even a little nylon. It's just so freakishly old now that it's anyone's guess what's going to fail first on it. I can feel it coming, and it's just plain time to get with the modern age anyway. Was looking at the Ender K1 Max but after some reading, I get the feeling it's going to cause me a lot of headaches fixing poorly implemented hardware while for the same price I could do the Qidi X-Max 3 and get right to printing rather than troubleshooting my life away. I'm ready and capable to do any fixing I have to, I mean you wouldn't believe what I've done to my Robo 3D, but I just don't want to have to fight a new printer needlessly.

[@Merkw]

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive video! How did you adjust the z offset in the k1 max?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

You can do it on the display in advanced settings while printing but it doesn’t stay. You have to do it in the slicer. You can adjust it in orca and creality print. I set mine to -.04 i believe.

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

own 7 k1 maxes, never had any issues with them. My concern is long term reliability. Time will tell.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Nice! I like mine, the only major complaint is the bed leveling. I do need to manually level mine and I’m sure that will help. I don’t have problems until I start getting to the edge with multiple items or large items

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

@@TwoMooseDesign and I have not had any leveling issues whatsoever. Extremely lucky I suppose but none so far.

[@nekrosoft13]

I like my k1 max, great printer.

[@JorkMuller-nn2uo]

Im thinking of buying ind ,what did time tell?

[@AlexLaser-h3q]

You can adjust the flow and Z-offset on the K1 during printing. And I, personally, like the Creality slicer, never had issues with it. It lacks some features, and when you change some settings, it automatically adjust others, which is annoying, but that's it.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

We’re are those settings?

[@AlexLaser-h3q]

@@TwoMooseDesign Go to Settings-Expert Mode

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@AlexLaser-h3qon the little display? I’ll check that out tonight.

[@gordonrain7152]

Very well done video, it is appreciated since I have been on the fence between these two printers. BUT, your point @ timestamp 10:58 essentially is a decision maker for me. Having the ability to fine tune your Z height AND your flow rate on the fly? Oh yeah, works for me. AND, what you say between timestamp 22:13 and 22:30 is dead on. Hopefully people pay attention to that advice.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for watching i appreciate it

[@SLA-3D]

Seems like QIDI did have some issues with their initial shipments of the X Max 3, which they have now remedied. 3 months ago I bought two X Max 3’s to run PAHT CF jobs (110 build plate, 280 nozzle temp). I’ve run every filament through them, and run PAHT CF for hundreds of hours on each one and not a clog, and not one issue. They’ve been a dream. Always a good first layer, and amazing print quality. I actually got rid of my Raise 3D machines to buy QIDIs

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Im not sure in the initial launch of the machine. I believe it though, most of these companies rush to market and have issues right away lol mines been great, I had an issue with some EMI and they sent me a new cable to fix it and that’s about it back up and running

[@BiggSuge313]

I really enjoy your videos, and I always seem to see different things that would be beneficial to me. I pulled the trigger and got my hands on the K-1 Macs and the ferret scanner. Watching this video right here. I see you have created a lid. Can you share with me how or where do I get the STL file to create that lid. I haven’t even taken it out the box I got it today, but I want to start off proper. Please share with me how I go about making that top.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks! I appreciate it. Look it up on Printables.com there are a few versions of it you can find for free.

[@BiggSuge313]

@@TwoMooseDesign I appreciate you getting back to me brother. I am extremely impressed by this machine so far. I printed eight things and everything came out perfect. I’m talking no stringing no layer lines, which I’m very surprised. And right now I’ve been running the machine with the original glass door on top, and it seems to not be rubbing the glass. It is very close, but it’s not rubbing yet. But I am going to look that up right now and run that print right now. Keep up those good videos and the good work.

[@Andre_M_3D]

Just a heads up the k1 received and update a few weeks ago that now let's you adjust z height, flow and do a nozzle pid. It is in settings and in expert mode. You are also able to now change the speed as well. So look for the update. Or can root you k1 like others have said and have control over all of it. I rooted mine a Ling time ago. I also leveled the bed. The k1 max should have the same updates

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Awesome! I didn’t know that I’ll have to check that out today. I do need to take the time and level the bed for sure

[@KaloyanDobrev]

How do you lower the flower rate "1 bump"? Is it in "bumps" in your slicer? Could you give us your working print settings?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

You can do it on the displays as it’s printer or in your slicer. A “bump” isn’t a real term lol it’s a few %. It’s also going to vary on the exact filament and color you use. Run the calibrations in your preferred slicer. I typically just run max flow rate test in orca.

[@3DPM-1386]

Which filament dryer did you use? I want to get something like that because it has the hole in the back.

[@helixxharpell]

Great video! Wish I had seen this before our company bought the K1Max. It crapped out the first day! What filament dryer do you recommend?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

First day?! I’d send it back or have them send you a new one sounds like a dud. Sunlu makes good ones and the new creality one is good as well

[@helixxharpell]

It took nearly 2 months to send it back! What about EIbos? Are they any good?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I don’t know what elbos means 🤔

[@helixxharpell]

@@TwoMooseDesign Eibos. Sorry. Typo. I've seen mixed reviews on Sunlu and many out there on Amazon. The Eibos company seems to have way fewer bad reviews! As for the XMAX3. My plans are not to use the filament box on the back. I'm just going to put a fitting and tube in the chamber entry point and put a dryer on the side. Eibos (for the money) seems to be the best option for several reasons: They seem to have better air flow around the roll and they have an exit point that's positioned better for the XMAX3. Screw it.. Why don't I just design a better dryer box? One that routes airflow thru ducts around the filament while it's feeding into the printer instead of just in one place? 🤔

[@danieljamesbinderystu2968]

I HIGHLY recommend the sunlu S4 filament dryer! It takes 4 rolls of 1 kg spools, or 2 of the 2 kg spools! It has full fan circulation inside, filtering out all the moisture that comes out of the filaments... and it takes 4 rolls at once! Finally someone listened to us. Having a room full of single roll filament dryers is a massive pain in the arse. And it runs up that electric bill in a biden DISGUSTING AF economy that he destroyed. No Bueno, no Bueno at all, lol. But yeah, man, sunlu S4 allll day my friend.

[@JorkMuller-nn2uo]

23:29 i can get a k1 max for 400€ and x max 3 for like 650 ,which would you choose

[@Skott62]

Hoping Bambu comes out with a larger version of the X1 Carbon

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I would love that, 13x13” would be amazing

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@BruceAUlrich]

Those organic supports are wild looking!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I see why they call them tree supports 😆😆 pretty cool looking

[@3D_Printing]

Creality K2 plus out in a few months. 350 cube, multicolour, enclosed, and more

[@nigel5823]

You need to go down one on the creailty screen and over one at the top to move where the homing is on the right hand side you can lower the z height that where you can move the z height and also you can do it on mainsail or fluidd also you need to force the z height right down to the bottom and let it grind a few times that will level the the bed correct that how i did it. my bed it perfect level now

[@l____bugc____l]

Great video and review 😍 One thing i do NOT understand.. the filament is on the back, ok i can deal with that and put it to the side BUT.. why do companies give you only 1 option to go either left or right of the machine.. I have a cabinet in my kitchen with 2 closed compartments and drawers to hold my filaments and a working desk to the right where my (mini)PC is dedicatied to only slicing softwarez.. I build it this way at first to fit my Ender3v2 and made the compartments extra large with an eye on the future so i can put newer machines in there when switching to a new generation.. I did that to have closed compartments so my ender would have a stable environment for heat and sound insulation. On the left side there is a wall to wich my cabinet is ankered so it can not move and it is stable to prevent any vibration.. it literaly is going nowhere since i have ankered it to the left side and back wall.. Now my question (tip) to companies that will never read this, issss 🤣 WHY do you only give 1 option for putting filament to a side, either LEFT or Right??? I would have LOVED to buy the QIDI 4 BUT now im going for either the Creality OR a Bambulab because i have to drill into my cabinet to pull the PTFE tube thru and put a filament dryer on the right/back wall.. If QIDI (companies) would have given the option to make filament enter to the left AND right they would have had a customer.. so sad.. not that they would miss me as a customer.. but you get my point 😅

[@carlitoswei5301]

I have both of them and don’t know if it’s been said before, but to answer your question the QIDI does NOT have any resume print function after a power outage, which is a HUGE flaw after a 20+ hour print 👎…K1 Max and Bambu have it🙌🙌🙌

[@TVJAB]

did you paint the eyes and mouth on the head? Or are they decals?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I cut a stencil and painted it

[@kimtyson9101]

Sounds to me like the QIDI-X-MAX-3 is bigger and better and cheaper. The comparison gave the Creality less criticism - for example around 14:00, QIDI - "horrible design on the back filament loader" (which is true) but the Creality had the same design (but says its ok) and moose runs both with the filament box on the side to get around the problem. Similar design, QIDI gets thrown under the bus. Not totally one sided but I think a bit of favouritism is shown to the Creality. Obviously I have the XMAX-3 and love it. lol Comments seem to show the same. My only rant is getting other accessories from QIDI in Canada. Duty etc is nasty since the acc. come from outside the country, the printer itself is already here when you order it.

[@petercallison5765]

That QIDI bed map did not look great, but you can get the bed straighter by adjusting the screws under the build plate.

[@anthonyfreeman5367]

I have several printers my QIDI x max 3 runs circles around all of them. It runs all day every day and just keeps going. The only printer I consider better is a voron, but thats only if you actually know how to properly build one. I've been printing since the original ultimaker came out many years ago. One thing I've learned is that most of the issues people have are user error. Im even guilty of it with over a decade of 3d printing lol.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I totally agree, you’ve been printing waaaayyy longer than me and that’s awesome! I follow the forums to gauge the printers and most of the complaints are user error. You have to learn how to tune the printer and filament. They are becoming drastically easier to run than they were 5 years ago. Thanks for watching! I appreciate it and your input 👊🏼👊🏼

[@anthonyfreeman5367]

​@@TwoMooseDesign I subscribed to the channel today. Definitely like the way you present the content. Looking forward to watching more.

[@donkeyholmes4581]

Great video, I’d say most complaints I see are hobbyist user error/inexperience. The more people get used to machines like Bambu the more issues they will have because they really don’t know much about the machines themselves, abit like learning to drive an automatic then getting in a manual. One thing I would say about these machines is the aftercare, having used Creality for 5 years the parts availability is useless. Qidi on the other hand are excellent for support and availability of parts. Oh and under those plastic body panels the qidi is solid as a rock and much better built than the k1.

[@ChristopheJaja]

such a so pro test. the best I saw .

[@tbip2001]

Think there’s any chance flashforge might make a 5m ‘max’ . My 5m has been amazing but I really want a larger bed

[@TwoMooseDesign]

That would be awesome

[@DMB-h1m]

Im getting tired of waiting for bambu to even just announce what the next gen printer they are going to offer will have. Speculation is a larger build volume, but knowing bambu im betting the first in the new flagship printer will be build volume identical to the x and p series and the larger build volume will come later. Having been without a large build volume printer for approaching a year im seriously considering the Qudi xmax 3 for 2 reasons, build volume and active heated chamber. I print a lot in ABS and ASA and in the winter I have to pre heat my bambu printers with the bed for a while just to be able to start a print even though im im a fully enclosed and climate controlled work space. Ive also occasionally had issues with maintaining chamber temps with the bambu printers. I could add a chamber heater and still may but the biggest issue is the parts i have to cut up to print in the bambu printers. Im still leary of any of the new crop of printer though and i know from seeing the K1 max and its issues at freinds houses and shop I will not be buying one of those. But im afraid the Qudi will have its own issues I dont want to deal with either. A bed slinger also isnt an option as I dont want the print mass moving.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I would love! A massive Bambu or a new generation of printers! If you print a lot of high temp stuff I would buy the qidi as it has a thick print bed that is twice as thick as the k1 max. The thin bed likes to warp especially at high bed temps. Both printers have their ups and downs but both are pretty good overall. The heated chamber in colder temps would be amazing and k1 max doesn’t have that. I personally haven’t had many issues with the Qidi. I had an electrical interference issue a few times and support sent me a new cable to get rid of that. The K1 max is great but the dang bed is my biggest complaint. Other than some sub par first layers it’s prints beautifully.

[@Elektrotechniker]

My Qidi X-Plus 3 (completely equal to X-Max 3 just those few cm smaller) is running strong without any serious problems to date. And I don't even have the upgraded, newer hardware version! I really recommend getting one if you are looking for a reliable printer with more build volume...

[@3dpt_by_lstech]

Creality Print is optimized for any Creality Printers. Even when i Rooted my Ender 3 V3 KE I don't even use Mainsail or Fluidd. I use Mainsail to update the klipper software. you need to do your Rooting a few times to get it right. The Macros are the essentials of the rooting to make your Creality Printers work flawlessly. Learn everything about Klipper Creality Printer Specially The Rooting Process.

[@annpeerkat2020]

12:31 haven't levelled it but doing a z offset test.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Unfortunately there isn’t knobs or anything you have to take the machine apart and add shims which is a pain

[@Immolate62]

QIDI X Max 3 was the first current-gen printer I bought. Since then I've bought 3 Bambus, a Kobra 2 Max and a K1 Max. If I had to rank them I'd say Bambus first, K1 Max a close second, Kobra 2 Max a distant third and QIDI dead last. I've had so much trouble with the QIDI that it is now sitting in my shop, unplugged and collecting dust. I'm thinking about bringing it back inside and giving it another try after a couple of months, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone I liked. Yeah the spooler sucks but that's easily fixed. The biggest design flaw is the manual z-height adjustment and the BL touch. My biggest complaint is clogs and failed prints. By comparison, my K1 Max has been almost Bambu-like in it's reliability. It is currently behind me, 14.5 hours into a 33 hour print. The Kobra 2 is broken (again).

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Wonder if you got the 1st generation? That one had problems for sure. I do like the k1 max and have more time through that one than the qidi. And yeah I agree I love my Bambu it just works and hardly any messing around. Alot of this stuff is definitely personal preference and if you look in the facebook groups is luck of the draw and a lot of user error lol thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it

[@Kimberlie1]

I think you are still using an older version of Max 3. The new printhead can solve the clogging problem very well. Also, the bl touch has been replaced by the proximity probe. If you want to restart your Max 3, you can contact QIDI after sales and they will provide you with an upgrade kit free of charge.

[@Immolate62]

@@Kimberlie1 mine is second gen and I replaced the BL Touch with the proximity probe but never saw any real benefit from it. I'll reach out to them after I rehab the printer and start fresh. Thanks for the encouragement.

[@Kimberlie1]

QIDI after-sales support always provides positive and timely assistance. I'm sure you'll be able to start using Max3 again after full communication with them. Good luck!@@Immolate62

[@Immolate62]

@@TwoMooseDesign no it was second generation. I was very new to 600mm/s 3D printers, but I watched all the videos and chose the QIDI because it was bigger than the K1 Max and they had just released the new version that all the reviews were saying fixed all the original problems like the issue with insufficient rigidity in the bottom. Plus the K1 Max had not yet regained the confidence of KZbin after their poor initial launch. I ordered it on 8/25.

[@costume35]

nice video but do u sell the file for the Lago man

[@TwoMooseDesign]

No it’s not my design. You can find it on Printables.com

[@costume35]

thanks so much @@TwoMooseDesign

[@chopisdish7497]

Спасибо вам за познавательное видео! Успехов вам в вашем деле!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for watching!!

[@jondoough]

you didn't cover the multi color

[@peterpeter5666]

at those prices might as well get a bambu . been using my p1s for a few months and i love it

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I love the Bambu, the advantage here is they print a decent bit bigger. If you’re into cosplay and such it’s hard to print some of the full size helmets and such on the Bambu.

[@peterpeter5666]

@@TwoMooseDesign I can understand that. Bambu needs to make a larger printer.

[@whisperdancer]

@4:22 I hear that a lot... 😁

[@TwoMooseDesign]

“The fish was THIS big I swear!” Is the energy I’m picking up here….

[@whisperdancer]

@@TwoMooseDesign Of course it's a fish! What else could it be?... 😁

[@guythejedi]

root the K1 Max and you can send files wirelessly

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Ahhh thanks for the tip. I didn’t look into any of that as I felt comparing two printers and modifying them wasn’t a fair comparison.

[@guythejedi]

@@TwoMooseDesign anytime brother. I threw a sub your way and great job.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@guythejediI appreciate it! Thanks for the tip and watching

[@mysafename1694]

I have all my 3-D printers on UPS battery back up.

[@jondoough]

why not use auto z on creality

[@tjhuntog]

taking prints off while the bed is hot is going to pull up the "cool plate" bed sticker, or any other topper almost always lol. let it cool.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

It was cool, I let them sit for at least 15 minutes

[@tjhuntog]

@@TwoMooseDesign okay! Just checking. When I pull mine off there is no stick left so I figured it was maybe warm. I have the cool plate for the A1. Would you say qidi for sure over the x1c if I'm not after the AMS?

[@ScytheNoire]

Wanting a 300mm+ printer, but the K1 Max and Qidi X Max 3 are not it. Still waiting for someone to nail a larger size printer with the quality prints, software, and quality of life features.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

They will get better. As more people come out with them and they make new models they should get pretty good.

[@tjhuntog]

my anycubic kobra 2 max with its gigantic build volume makes flawless prints! No disrespect but are you sure you are not experience user problems? Autoleveling is perfect. Ive never had to touch z offset.

[@3D_Printing]

Bigger K2 creality july 31st, i think

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Can’t wait!

[@bearliongaming2464]

jeez, the size different XD

[@ruellerz]

Bought a K1 Max from ebay. It came broken, glass broken everywhere, heatbed doesnt work, aka printer doesnt work. 9 days later i still havent received a replacement. They tried to convince me to accept some parts along with a troubleshooting guide so i could fix it..? What a joke.... I'm going Qidi after this awful Creality support and ebay store.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Oh no that sucks! I saw several people complaining on the facebook group that their printers from the eBay store coming all messed up. I’d send it right back if it came all jacked up

[@nan0akaun0]

Microcenter sells them for 699

[@TwoMooseDesign]

That’s awesome! I don’t live anywhere near one haha

[@myhermitlife]

👏👏👏👏

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@vladimirp6271]

Мда... Это печать не о чем по сравнению с flash forge 5m, напомню что его сравнивают с бамбуком... Область печати - меньше, но скоро должен быть с большой областью печати.

[@MelvinWilson-k8v]

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[@Jpson67]

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[@dekurvajo]

Qidi need to hire designers, because that thing is fugly

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Prints great, looks like an ez bake oven

[@user-Atamigaputer]

lol...the tats

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Haha so funny