Cream - White Room - Isolated Drum Track

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Ginger Baker - A Drummers Tale
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[@andrewcruz7595]

*can we talk about how clean sounding this drum track sounds*

[@mamamamarino]

Agreed. I don't think it's the album recording.

[@Boleskinebeatz]

I was thinking that, I’m not going with all the comments that say it’s not Ginger’s or his drumming, but it does have a surprising lack of spill from headphones or playback monitors wired out of phase as was the custom at the time.

[@jayaybe1]

No.

[@timturner36]

Tom Dowd was the Master Engineer behind Ginger Jack and Eric.

[@jagmark10]

it's 110% not Ginger playing. someone else tried to play but failed pretty bad. the drums sound like electronic drums.

[@rja9996]

Damn I never realized how much of the drumming I wasn’t hearing on the studio record. Makes me miss him even more now

[@veeobeats]

So much unsung detail.. from the hat work to the ghost notes. It's incredible to listen, especially with some good headphones on.

[@DrSamE]

What a sad loss we have today, R.I.P Ginger Baker!

[@bowgart5567]

Wait what???

[@geob5606]

Long live Mr Baker

[@karsonpruemer3439]

Never realized how much the tuning of his toms contribute to the sound of the song what a genius.

[@TheMelodyman]

Cool how he tuned the toms to match each note on the bass during the intro.. There more to drums than just banging on them..

[@matthughes1332]

TheMelodyman was it actually the toms or was it a tympani? I’ve never noticed the tone until listening to this isolated

[@wolf1612]

@@matthughes1332 this is not the original track, just a good cover.

[@ferdinandwang1165]

'The drums are a musical instrument, and they should be treated as such.' - Ginger Baker.

[@wolf1612]

@@bidensciownworidbroughttoy4218 Yes.

[@beasheerhan4482]

The tuning of the drums is sensational - deep, round, and well matched as a group. Mr. Baker had a truly great ear, something which few drummers share.

[@GiacomoJimmi]

Feel like grabbing my guitar and jamming with Ginger Baker. Who’s with me?

[@betterthantelly2993]

What a great idea!

[@KevyNova]

Already there!

[@Noahbsng]

im playing bass though, let's jam

[@DH1985-MB]

Just done the exact same thing 😃

[@andrewmoore6685]

Yep but breakfast first

[@andiecayne]

Perfect groove. It’s not about how many notes you play, but HOW you play them. As the great late Jon Hiseman said “Playing the band” - Ginger is playing the song.

[@Lehmann108]

A seminal drummer from the late 60's. Along with Mitch Michel (Jimi Hendrix) and Bonham this guy inspired so many drummers.

[@jackthomson5047]

Paice and Bill ward too

[@AA-sn9lz]

And moon and mason too

[@efekasmispir4103]

also bruford and collins too

[@mislaverak6938]

i started practice drums when i firat time hear record of cream from concert and his drum solo i was fifteen then =)

[@dantesanchez2491]

Yeah, those three were the influence of many drummers to come. They defined the sound of the whole genre.

[@jasonnstegall]

I don't listen to iso drum tracks a lot... but when I do, I listen to Ginger Baker. Stay rhythmic, my friends!

[@jasonnstegall]

Alejandro Sosa -- Yes I did. Did I DIRECTLY say it was Ginger? (Oh, BTW, I also have the "iso track" of what is supposed to be Keith 🌙 on The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again, as well as many iso's from Chicago the band. I just enjoy listening to this stuff, that's all. I would enjoy just as much John Bonham, Danny Seraphine, or other drummers who made their mark in the first 2 "rock 'n' roll eras" (1955-59 & 1962-77).

[@gj8683]

I'll crack open a Dos Equis to that!

[@novapj]

this isnt ginger baker playing fyi

[@Carrotyfungus1]

It’s almost sounds like he’s rushing and dragging at parts, which he played on purpose just to swing the song. That is simply genius. GB was his own metronome. The definition of feel

[@qweels]

Carrotyfungus perfectly said!

[@deadheadok14]

That’s not what swing is, but yeah it’s a thing for the feel. Him and Bonham both move around a little bit within the measure

[@jakerittlinger440]

Or he was high af

[@angelainamarie9656]

I bet he's keeping time with two other players you can't hear, lol.

[@EncoreFilmsInc]

Definitely not rushing and dragging on purpose, he’s just a greasy player. Which was perfect for cream.

[@garygustin1717]

Great timing and nuance, a great drummer for sure. My favorite type of drum sound, which is the open jazz drum sound used in rock: Ginger Baker, Mitch Michell, John Bonham, Jim McCarty, first Sabbath album/Bill Ward, John Densmore, etc...

[@sethjohnson5289]

Superb ! That's where I got my sound ...off of those guys.

[@paulshaum3421]

Yeah bill! favorite drummer personally, then paice, baker, and Mitchell, though the baker and Mitchell positions shift based on the day you ask me

[@GymRat1217]

exactly. my fav type of drumming too. ginger, bill ward, mitch mitchell

[@singing894]

It's not Baker. It's a programmed drum cover.

[@garygustin1717]

@@singing894 Yes. Obviously what’s going on here is that they removed most of the music, but left the drums only, using one of them new fangled software apps. Then they took an Akai MPC One and sampled each hit (and at different velocities), of Ginger’s entire drum set. Then someone meticulously programmed it into a song, with many midnight oils having been burned. But then they realized, “Oh shoot, the meter sounds like a robotic drum machine”, thus having to redo it all over again with “quantize” turned off...😉

[@ReggaeJAYUK]

It ain't how fast you play it's what you say!

[@vergon6662]

Jay Nevo AMEN, brotha...

[@kegalormoon]

✊✊✊✌

[@stephenfiore9960]

Ask Ringo Star and he’ll tell you the same

[@therealeikichionizuka]

Even though I'm a bassist, I agree. I prefer to groove with ¼ or ⅛ notes instead of a super fast beat. Feels right to me.

[@GreasyBelcher]

Beware Mr Baker is one of the greatest music documentaries ever made. Ginger Baker in Africa is an amazing film.

[@dr.strangelove7788]

RIP Ginger. One of the best drummers ever.

[@hazysativa3045]

Nice feel. Great drummer... very complimentary. Never over powering the music.

[@vibra64]

Not only a great rock drummer, but an excellent jazz drummer as well.

[@vibe6750]

Baker was a jazz drummer, he said he hates rock and roll. You can hear all the jazz drumming the triplet fills, tremendous drummer

[@Kinger1625]

What a legend! One of my favs all time! Just a groovin on this track! Holding it all together! Dr Baker was a tenacious person and drummer extraordinaire!!!

[@chriscollesano8463]

Gotta love the sound of old drums. Realize how little he used any crash or ride in this song.

[@timbrown57]

You would not believe the number of drummers that don't seem to know how to tune their drums.

[@jwaj]

lukpac needs to shut up and stop spamming every comment

[@xianshep]

I love how infrequently he hits the cymbals (I'm not counting the high hat); still unique after decades of rock drumming as a genre.

[@claudeabraham2347]

He was very creative. He could originate a drum part that really fit the music well. When my band covered Cream songs, I just played Baker's parts note for note because I couldn't improve upon them. He was talented & creative for sure.

[@toikutoassumi8381]

Perfect compliment to cream's unique and distinct sound love ginger 😍

[@jsilence418]

A great vocal, somewhat busy Bass, and wah wah laden lead guitar. so ginger lays back...beautifully, he knows not to solo everytime he plays .

[@rubberneckk]

Just shows how important discipline is and ginger had this in spades

[@mikhailwesthallen4356]

Amen

[@galvanatthegrey5338]

As far as his drumming...lol

[@jwaj]

@@galvanatthegrey5338 bruh

[@davidedward2352]

I love these isolated tracks. You appreciate the importance and complexity of the drums.

[@boum62]

Just got into cream. My daughter ..15 years old .. and I were listening to the greatest hits album. Ginger blows us away. Super drummer.

[@whatevershebrings]

This is bunk. The original drum track runs out at the end during the outro/solo and you can hear the previous take come through, where I believe he was using two bass drums of varying dimensions. It's very obvious on the original and there's no sign of it here.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

This is not a drum solo, it is a drummer on the job, supporting the music, providing the time/space for the music to unfold.

[@tgozanski]

He deserved royalties---he's part of the melody.

[@wolfiesmith1966]

Rest In Peace. Another iconic musician gone.

[@hyperluminalreality1]

This is NOT Ginger Baker. All the comments seem to think it is. This is not an "isolated track". The title is a lie. There are no double bass drum rolls. Especially the signature one that should be at 4:42 which is just before the song fades out. When you sync this video with the real thing it becomes apparent. Many of the fills are wrong here, and this drummer does a rock stomp kick drum on the chorus. Ginger was jazzier feeling there.

[@thom2847]

I actually think it's super tight, inventive and funkier than I thought. These old recordings so much is lost in the mix. Thanks for upload.

[@progrunner3094]

Beware of Mr. Baker!

[@geob5606]

“He had technique, but he couldn’t swing a fucking sack of shit.” - Ginger Baker on Bonham, Beware of Mr Baker

[@michaelm4950]

Worlds greatest drummer!!! RIP Ginger Baker

[@TheDriller-Killer]

He's good, but the world's best drummer was definitely Buddy Rich

[@prairierobinson9624]

He was a benchmark. Also his legendary left hand with triple rolls.

[@innovativeprogramschool7979]

When you play with feel you play for real

[@odoce01]

Um dos melhores (senão o melhor) timbre de bateria de todos os tempos... Monstro Sagrado!!! Sua pegada é inconfundível!!! Obrigado por tudo Baker!!!

[@andthensome512]

All those British rock drummers from that era were just great. All of them had the most killer drum sounds with Bonham at the pinnacle of the quintessential rock drum sound.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

Natural time - also simplicity and elegance of execution, no hammering going on there! Whoever is playing is pretty good :)

[@bubbaluvv]

Michael Gorman its ginger baker from Cream

[@THEMINDSHAFT]

Yes it is. I have these stems, vocal parts too. You can't fake sound to a mastering engineer. These are from the original tracks, cut by Tom Dowd.

[@ericroy5188]

allrequiredfields please explain.

[@Debonair.Aristocrat]

It is Ginger Baker. What is wrong with you? I was a Sound Engineer, THEMINDSHAFT^^ was a Mastering Engineer, the title says it and we say it. The crisp texture of the original is missing because of the sound processing for this video.

[@arminiushermann09]

+Fletcher DeMaine No it's not. I know Ginger's kit and his Cymbals plus his drum roll along with his timing an this is not him. I spent thousands of hours listening to Ginger an Cream in general. Might be able to fool others but not me. This is not Ginger at all, Ginger's 5/4 bolero is way, way, way, more fluid then this an better timing. And Ginger's kit doesn't sound like bashing two metal soup cans together. Ginger always used two heads per drum to get a more hard hitting sound along with a thunderous sound. And you can find vids on here were Ginger plays drumming in a isolated room by himself an this is no where close to his sound. This is horrible an to lie an say its Ginger is an insult. And I'm beginning to suspect this person a Led Zep fan or something to try an tear Ginger down an make fun of his skills. once again, this is Not Ginger, unless its him at the age of 3.

[@rickbennett105]

Amazing drummer. Unbelievable drum tones especially for how long ago this was recorded. Probably the best technical drummer from that era.

[@alansmith9948]

That swinging kick is sublime....I'm melting lol

[@Champane97]

Damn how sweet & amazing do those toms sound!!! And the drumming is so musical, like it should be hey?!! Fantastic, one of the best 'isolated drum tracks' I've heard so far! WOW!! Thank you :)

[@SirLoinofBeef235]

Those descending rolls leading to breaks were tympanies or "kettle" drums

[@pbamse]

GINGER BAKER (1939 - 2019)

[@jkjj1]

Nice work whoever did it. Very close. RIP to one of my drum idols growing up.

[@jillgreen5288]

Just coming across this drum track, excellent!

[@tashamaher5690]

One of the best drummers on the planet has just checked out RIP Ginger Baker

[@nyclion13]

Every time I listen to White Room, I find my self singing the drum line. Melodic.

[@cosmiccomedy7394]

My absolute favorite song to air drum! RIP Ginger you firey freak

[@stawrman]

What a great drummer, his work with cream and blind faith was outstanding!

[@rayfarrell6926]

Ginger Bakers style at that time period was totally unique in and by itself. Carmine Appice and John Bonham played that really big drum sound and Bakers feel, time and energy were what made him a drumming legend because he is truly an original.Ginger Bakers playing influenced many generations of rock drummers and to me he is as credible as John Henry Bonham.

[@garyives1218]

One of my favorite things of any things. Next level

[@alanvelasquez837]

Unmatched rock groove ! Rest In Peace mr Baker

[@rickycook6881]

Revisited this. HAVE forgotten. Clean as a whistle. SIMPLE. WITH DEEP TECHNIQUE AND APPROACH. DECEPTIVEY SIMPLE

[@ericmahar7202]

Pretty incredible drum track..his drums are in tune for one thing. Thanks for this!

[@brianphillips9152]

Before everything was compressed to hell.

[@SamsTheBams]

BEFOREEVERYTHINGWASCOMPRESSEDTOHELL I've put some compressor on your comment, it's much better now.

[@dcs002]

The recording gear they used and the mic techniques make this drum track naturally far more compressed than most modern drumming. But actually they did compress the living shit out of music before CD's became popular. They had no choice. If they didn't compress heavily, the grooves on the LP would be too wide to hold the music. When people talk about the smooth sound of LP's, that's where it comes from - MASSIVE compression. That didn't become a real problem with CD's until the early 90s or thereabout, and then it was just stupidity. We stupid consumers will buy music that sounds louder. Consumers get what we want, and over-compression has been with us ever since. (Look up "The Loudness Wars.") It's no good blaming the labels or the producers. We're the dumbasses that made that happen.

[@EbonyPope]

@@dcs002 The difference is that it analogue compressors doing the job that do not have such a harsh sound like digital ones. The difference is huge. And no the music was nowhere near compressed as during the so called loudness wars.

[@123agidee_2]

And before quantisation

[@duder8562]

@@SamsTheBams underrated comment

[@cbwification]

Not convinced. Seems like a very well played & meticulously recorded fan tribute. I mean... why would the isolated drum track quality be soooo much better than the actual song quality?

[@LeadFrog]

Because they are specifically trying to get that perfect clean drum sound they do it alot in studios that's how they record, all instruments are recorded separately so it all sounds good when put together. With that being said I believe this was his work.

[@alexr.8397]

This definitely something a fan made. The tuning of the drums and the cymbals sound completely different but doesn't take away from the fact that this is super well made.

[@christiangaddis7748]

Thank you Ginger Baker majestic drums!

[@Herfinnur]

I love the combination roomy tom tom sound with that dry snare sound. It's so completely different from everything else

[@robpelick7460]

I don't know who or what this is supposed to be, but it's most assuredly NOT the isolated drum track played by Ginger Baker on White Room

[@stevesims2243]

Ginger's style was perfect for Cream because he had space to fill, but notice he is extremely efficient here. Just realized this after listening to Rick Beato's interview of Bernard Purdie.

[@timturner36]

Speaking of Bernard, he claims to have "fixed" 21 early Beatles tracks for Mr Epstein and Ringo has never denied this and I believed Bernard.

[@craigusselman546]

Thank you for being a drummer Mr Baker rip.

[@ricandreoli8086]

It’s fun playing with it on my guitar!

[@goodvibes4141]

Fill @ 1:21 on this is flam on snare and then kick to snare. On the album recording it goes toms then snare flam. Good tom tuning in the opening, sounds close but this is not the same as the album recording, might be another take, who can tell.

[@novabigstar1509]

Same take . They did punch in overdubs and EQ and effects in the mix if you notice any changes on the final mix in the song. This is LEGIT

[@goodvibes4141]

The album take is different to this, check the drum fill and you will hear the difference. Try lining the track up against the album track, flip the phase on the track and see if it makes the drums thin out to almost nothing. That might reveal the truth.

[@DenniWintyr]

If it's baker, it's definitely not the version from Wheels of Fire. Compare the fills in the third bar of the solo section, they're very different. The timbre on the toms is also completely different. This track also goes on for a good 20 seconds longer than the album version, which fades out, rather than having a final 5/4 bar.

[@vitorjunior2023]

That´s right. It´s completely different from the master track.

[@vitorjunior2023]

Actually, it´s a Timpani, not a Tom that he overdubbed in the opening. In the end, he overdubbed a detuned bassdrum, that is not appearing here. Surely it´s another take. Or fake. Dunno.

[@josemiguelpallaresdiaz2054]

RIP GB. Nunca hubo nada igual en R&B, no es solamente potencia brutal, es melodía, música con un drum kit. GB fue un baterista de jazz con potencia de músico de rock.

[@jackthomson5047]

Favorite ginger drum track.. Such groove and feel

[@thewigon]

He’s up there with all the greats now

[@Robert5185]

The best swing drummer for sure. Just listen to how he changes up and the 3 count. You won’t see a drummer like this in modern day music. True legend. Different from Bonham, Peart, and Alex as well as many other masters of beat. Just wish he was still at it and not a loon in South Africa.

[@martyroth7829]

As an X drummer myself,40 years of oakie music ha country bars night clubs I learned the hard way. Drums are just as much a part of music as any other instrument. They are as delicate and dynamic as a guitar, piano, bass ect. To me you don't pound on a drum, You play it.Playing a drum set quietly you can hear how sensitive they are.Enough of my rambling on.Drummers love to compete, I outgrew that.

[@garethecke1433]

Such a deep groove

[@bonhzeppelin9882]

I can feel that great old swing!

[@scottbaxendale323]

His kit sounds great, especially the snare!

[@bobjary9382]

One of the best drummers along with Bonham to ever drive a rock outfit... Full on crazy geezer too

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

I just can't believe the clarity. I wish Beatles multitracks sounded this good.

[@theblakex]

This isn't Ginger Baker actually playing

[@gborden123]

Smooth!!!! RIP!!! Love this song!!!!

[@packstevewood]

Reminds me of black and white footage from the 60's of Hendrix, Mitchell and Redding at an indoor concert. Sound crew had an overhead boom mike above Mitchells kit and a short floor stand mic placed about 6" in front of Mitch's bass drum. Not inside it. On top of this Mitchell's traps were placed directly middle front of a huge stack and wall of Marshalls. It was loud but there was a warm organic quality to it. Mad sound crew skillz IMO.

[@chickentwisties2298]

Simple but very nice very jazzy

[@mattigrooves7843]

The feel of Ginger’s groove

[@cstinedrum]

the open toms and the dry crisp snare..and it,s the way you play them..signature sound

[@richardhall6762]

My teacher Denny Carlson (at Berklee) often said “ It’s not always about what you play but what you DON’T play that makes it ‘ happen ‘!”

[@mickyceejones9949]

that kick drum sound is Killer !!

[@dannytannerlovesthekids6317]

Rest easy my friend

[@vestibulate]

There's something oddly compelling about the flame-wars on this thread, referencing Baker and Bonham. The comments branch out into patterns of reciprocal insult and clumsy pontification. Clapton gets dragged in, and then it's every fan for himself.

[@dm6801]

Tom Hall can we just all agree that Bonham and Baker both shared the apex in their craft?

[@pbaker7160]

Comparing Bonham and Baker is like comparing Apples and oranges. Both were great drummers with vastly different styles and sounds. I prefer Bonham’s style, but it doesn’t mean he was “better” than Ginger Baker.

[@mstrunn]

@@dm6801 Bonzo was too flamboyant, Ginger much better.

[@benmercadante5774]

exactly Paul...and i prefer them both, depending on mood...

[@davidpfeifer9489]

D M YeH completely different... it’s jazz and rock. Both great but different. But ginger could play both Bonham never played jazz. When Neil pert tried he was shit with buddy Rich’s band

[@davidblanton5258]

Love this. I think I like listening to the isolated drums more than the song as a whole. Some of the Ginger’s nuances are lost in the song with the other instruments and sound treatments. I suppose I am biased as a drummer.

[@KevyNova]

Wait, is this actually Ginger or is it someone recreating his drumming from White Room?

[@pappyodanial]

what hi-hats are those they are so BUTTER

[@rickslammintone9173]

will .............. zildjian 15” NewBeats

[@iqi616]

The mic technique and choice of mics helps. Likely a minimal 3- or 4-mic setup and possibly ribbon mics such as Coles which would smooth the highs.

[@Shepthebassman91]

I'm not sure but i know Ginger's go-to favorite ride was an old riveted K that he used constantly! I think he still has it today

[@timbrown57]

@@iqi616 They used 5 mics. a pair on the kicks, one on the snare, and a stereo pair of overheads.

[@garygustin1717]

They are smooth! Almost a sandy shaker quality...

[@petermaxwell2965]

Sounds better when Jack and Eric are there ! Beautiful kit sound ..🎼🎵🎵🎼

[@ferabra8939]

I love all the 60s drummers...They played with more swing, their fills were more inventive, they grooved way more, they sped up/slowed down tastefully... Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell, John Densmore.

[@rtk90083]

You can forget john bonham! Well maybe you consider him a 70's drummer. But you have to admit he had that same style, swing and groove in spades.

[@jeffandlucy]

This lines up perfectly with the full track? If it is not Ginger, then it is midi taken from the drum track and drums sounds replaced? I'm not buying that - I think it is the original and it is a remarkable recording!

[@KevMuso]

A subtle powerhouse.

[@MongerOfStrings8222]

Those toms sound like genuine Timpanis (Timpani?) at the beginning. Also I'm amazed at how much swing there is without the song sounding swung

[@unhandmeprrriest4601]

That rhythm is impeccable

[@philaphans2536]

RIP, Ginger. Thank you.

[@pappyodanial]

the beat slick af... never forget first time i heard this song in a juke box at sears..... first song i ever heard fucking legend that goes even deeper

[@williamrietow9165]

I don't think this is an authentic Ginger Baker drum track. The brilliant Hi hat accents during "I wait in this place where the sun never shines" section are absent, as is the double bass drum roll during the outro. A nice try at duplicating Ginger, but not there. And Ginger used timphany drums during the 5/4 bolero, not toms as is done here.

[@mosilflutil10]

His drums sound amazing

[@mikhailwesthallen4356]

I like how after the bolero bit he restrains himself from using any crash cymbals in this song and rides the open hi hat for accents around the bass n snare hits -just shows how much he thought about what he did ' n the musical intelligence/tasteful playing of the man' great drummer

[@Mingus007]

As a drummer my self I can say ginger Baker was one of my main inspirations

[@stretch54]

Can't believe all the comments saying this is not the actual track. IT IS! Drums always sound a little sloppier when you can't hear what the cat is responding to. It's a weird thing. I heard myself isolated hundreds of times in the studio. Almost any isolated instrument sounds better in the track unless the timing is bad.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

It's not though. In the real track, right before the fade out, you can hear him do some double bass work. That's missing in this recording.

[@cosmicHalArizona]

Yeah the ending has a special drum beat mixed in. Can be heard if you have large speakers & powerful amp.

[@MiggyonDrums]

If it’s Baker this is definitely not the version from Wheels Of Fire. The album version in the end section you clearly listen to different drum feels and some fills with the double kick also that you can’t hear in this isolated track.

[@goldenostrichman]

Does he really use a double kick in this song? I always thought it was just one.

[@luvbasses5487]

This is freakin AWESOME to listen to man....! He’s so consistent it’s almost hypnotic. What a tremendous talent...