Creationist is NOT Happy About This

[@danthsmith]

There's absolutely no point in trying to argue with a shameless grifter like Hovind.

[@Zumaray]

Yep you’ll end up playing pigeon chess

[@pantomimedemocracy3098]

Indeed. Hovind's biggest lie is that he is engaging with (and is willing to engage with) a conversation/argument. We need to recognise that he is not acting in good faith and exclusively plays games.

[@mulgerbill]

Isn't he some kind of crook too?

[@sjl197]

His misunderstanding of mutation hasn’t changed in over thirty years, it’s clear he’s now just lying to his audience, which is sad.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

@@sjl197it’s impossible to get a man to understand something upon which his whole career depends on him not understanding.

[@plavyn]

Kent “matter cant be created, because it violates the law of thermal dynamics” And in his next sentence “god created matter”

[@korbit8307]

Yeah it's a bit of a non starter of an argument isn't it? God violates the laws of thermodynamics too, but God gets an excuse for some reason that the universe isn't allowed to get as well because you said so.

[@lavarsch]

@@korbit8307 Also funny when they say "nothing can come from nothing" and then they say "God always has been there" if you ask who created him.

[@gregedwards1087]

He learned from the Bible, it is full of contradictions, so this is normal for him.

[@k.ccomments3149]

It’s just like their argument of, “everything needs a creator” and when you ask “ then who created god?” They go crazy about him being outside the rules 😂

[@rickys.6498]

His imaginary god didn't create anything but he'll cry if you tell him

[@georgem2334]

If Hovind is a Doctor, I'm the Roman Catholic Pope.

[@rjserrano2]

He's not a doctor. He is a convict, though.

[@sdcoinshooter]

Bless me your Holiness

[@Skaramine]

Just don't sweep 10 thousand dead Indigenous children under the rug, and you'll be safe from Popehood. Kent is a doctor of bullshittery.

[@pefo1674]

Paper mill...

[@OnASeasideMission]

If Kent is a Christian, I'm Jesus Christ.

[@richardshaw9935]

There’s no evidence. Except for all the evidence. Yeah but if you ignore all the evidence, there’s no evidence.

[@paulzuk1468]

I don't usually yell at my monitor but I did it this time. "No evidence" that ANY plants or animals are related to each other? WTF?

[@CD_Character]

Also Kent Hovind... "You guys believe you came from a rock." "Whereas, I was fashioned from mud/dust/clay (depending on your preferred translation)."

[@nitsujism]

And woman was made out of a rib.

[@CD_Character]

@@nitsujism In other words : a clone.

[@nitsujism]

@@CD_Character Good point. Adam banged a female clone of himself.

[@roberttoegel8304]

​@@CD_CharacterWhich might prove mutations happen. Otherwise Adam and Eve had the same genetics, yet, we are all different. Explain that Kent.

[@CoreyMarinoGames]

@@nitsujism yup and led to many years of incest.

[@molybdomancer195]

Hmm who to believe? A man who went to prison for tax fraud or people who have spent years studying a subject and mastering the skill of writing clearly about it? That’s a tough one!

[@jansennhenn579]

Don't forget about the domestic violence

[@condorberd4937]

@@jansennhenn579 or the recent assault allegations at DAL

[@Neonsilver13]

To be fair, this is an Ad hominem argument, trying to dismiss his arguments simply based on details about the person. However his arguments are basically all "nope that's a lie", maybe combined with a rather bad straw man argument. That said I agree that he shouldn't be listened to, I question the morality of any actual christians who think he is a great guy. When his wife (I think it was the third wife) left him due to domestic abuse, he shortly after presented the replacement in one of his videos. Even if you ignore the evidence, I think there was a recording of one altercation, that he replaces his wife so quickly isn't a point in his favor in that regard.

[@znail4675]

@@Neonsilver13 Ad hominem is actually fair when someone wants us to trust him just based on his word.

[@sorsimmanis626]

Kent's god was helpless against IRS.

[@jannisbaur4227]

First law of thermodynamics states that ENERGY cannot be created or destroyed, not matter. He didn't even get that right

[@OzoneGrif]

Especially considering that matter is just dense energy.

[@korbit8307]

He makes a false premise that energy was ever created in the first place. The universe, or God who made the universe, must logically have always existed. Therefore energy was never created, as God simply transferred his own energy into the universe. Alternatively, the energy of the universe was always there to begin with then expanded from a point. So by simple deduction, energy exists but was not and cannot be created. First law is just fine

[@framegrace1]

Well, in this case he's right, if he wants to refeer to matter. Both are demostrated to be equivalent from Einstein onwards. Before there were two separate postulates, but the matter one was the first to be put in paper (by Lavosier) with the famous form " .... is either created or destroyed" to denote conservation.

[@KieranFitness-h8t]

This is one of Kent’s common tactics. Saying matter in place of energy there was no mistake, it was a deliberate attempt to deceive hoping people won’t notice.

[@DanielMWJ]

​@@OzoneGrifThis is not correct. Matter HAS energy. Energy is just the capacity of a system to do Work. Not the same as being made of energy.

[@duncanmcneill7088]

I firmly believe that while most humans share a common ancestor with apes, some humans have evolved from slugs - slimy and spineless.

[@NeutralDrow]

I mean...if you wanna go pre-Cambrian, technically we all are. Kent is semi-unique in that he _retains_ a lot of those proto-mollusc traits.

[@robinharwood5044]

The latter group go into Parliament.

[@konradkanuckle5920]

Primordial oooze has more consciousness and cognitive abilities than k@nt!

[@scottbilger9294]

@@robinharwood5044 The Back Bench biome, if I remember my British mycology.

[@educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890]

Yes, the Kent Hovind slug, well documented.

[@barnabyaprobert5159]

"[Kent] Hovind began serving a ten-year prison sentence in January 2007 for federal convictions for failing to pay taxes, obstructing federal agents, and structuring cash transactions. In September 2021, Hovind was convicted of domestic violence against his estranged wife." - Wikipedia

[@alanclark639]

If you believe that the American Internal Revenue Service is as pure as the driven in this case - I have a theory about the world being flat, you might find it interesting! I'm just going dip a hand in the bag without looking on this one and see what comes out......... Oh look - (U.S. Banking Law triggers a filing to the I.R.S, if a cash transaction is equal or greater than $10,000 - both Hovinds were booked with "structuring cash transactions" .... Oh Really? What they drew out $9,999 time after time eh? Trouble is - to me that's the same as doing 29.999 m.p.h. in a 30 limit. What's it seem like to you? I find Hovind annoying as hell but abusing the law to lock him up - ain't the right way to go about it.

[@uninspired3583]

In the ring we call him "body slam hovind"

[@nickburmanmusic]

So much for living a life to the glory of god.

[@ulrikof.2486]

In Germany, such kind of stubborn people call themselves "Reichsbürger". They claim the current authorities are not legit, thus ignore rules, official requests, and subpoenas, they behave privately violent and publicly rowdyish, and they love collecting firearms. But instead of claiming being believers in Christ, they claim that the medieval, the second, or the third Empire never legally ceased to exist. I'd say that their belief is even more coherent than Hovind's, as they don't make the ridiculous claim being God-believers and Jesus-lovers, while behaving like haters and morons.

[@citetez]

​@noi5emaker Au contraire, he is very Godlike - petulant, self- absorbed, violent, contradictory,....etc., etc.

[@aaronlogan_music]

I'm embarrassed by the scientific illiteracy in my country.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Agreed. People talk about Evolution as if it were scientific.

[@John_Smith_60]

@gregorymoore2877 Because it is. Your denial means nothing.

[@gregorymoore2877]

@@John_Smith_60 it is not because it fails the first step of the Scientific Method which is to make an observation.

[@John_Smith_60]

@gregorymoore2877 You mean all those observations that were repeated multiple times that you refuse to acknowledge? I'm a biology teacher (with a degree in biology). I teach the scientific method. I've seen the evidence. You refuse to see the evidence.

[@citetez]

​@@gregorymoore2877Weak troller trolls weakly.

[@TheGuruStud]

We're loosely related to plants. But Kent is 99.99% potato.

[@senolasan7439]

Please, you're offensive to potatoes

[@doneidson-ix2qn]

Yes. Related to Mr. Potato Head.

[@Youtubehater17]

And the remaining.01% is pure "spud"😅

[@thomasowens5824]

He has been telling lies for so long that truth and logic escapes him.

[@letoubib21]

_Does that guy be related to notorious №45?!_

[@Snuggles_the_Unholy]

​​​@@letoubib21Notorious P.I.G., Agent Orange, The Count of Mostly Crisco, The Hungry Hungry Hypocrite. Mango Mussolini.

[@inrainbows1829]

Paying taxes and keeping his hands off his wife escape him also

[@shadowknightgladstay4856]

​@@inrainbows1829taxation is theft. And what man who ever kept his hands to himself ever contributed to evolution.

[@steve3291]

"Doctor" Kent demonstrating why he is not a "Doctor".

[@AlexWallsELT]

He's a doctor of accounts

[@JustRTW]

I once blew the mind of a creationist by suggesting that the current state of humans is not the final form and that we are still evolving! 🤯

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

lol seriously?

[@citetez]

"...the mind of a creationist..." Objection Your Honor! Introduces facts not in evidence.

[@shadowknightgladstay4856]

So your saying you bleive in a resurrection where we get to have a perfect body?

[@citetez]

@@shadowknightgladstay4856 Bot needs better software.

[@adamlord3550]

Thanks for all your content Dan! Been watching for a few years now. By the way, I implore you to check out Clint's reptiles. He's a Christian zoologist who wholy supports evolutionary biology. He appeared on whack and atheist recently. (Ironic I know.) I feel his views of Christianity and evolution are well balanced and it might be worth looking into. He also does rad videos on genetics, herpatology and zoology if you're into any of that. (I think he has a PHD is in zoology, but I might be wrong.)

[@martj1313]

The years in prison didn't dampen his desire to scam idiots out of money.

[@SCWillson]

Nor his ability.

[@theazurefire91]

What was he in jail for? First time seeing this guy.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

⁠​⁠@@theazurefire91tax fraud. Think he’s also been arrested for domestic abuse, but don’t know off hand if he went to prison for it. He also runs a theme park that’s gotten at least one kid killed.

[@theazurefire91]

@@lordofuzkulak8308 Sounds like a stand-up guy...lol

[@martj1313]

@@theazurefire91 He has a son who carried his scamming business when he was in prison, his family are all scumbags too. They get young children and brainwash them into believing the lies they tell so that when they grow up they can sell them overpriced DVDs and books, i don't believe in heaven or hell, but if there is a hell the Hovinds belong there.

[@jellybaby9630]

I'm Australian 🇦🇺 . I have an accent. When I call him Kent ,, it sounds like C~nt. Sounds Right. G'day Mate

[@_sologrow]

Wow. That is the best argument I've ever read.

[@coffeekitsune1337]

I am also Australian, and I would ask you all not to blame the rest of our nation for the existence of that stupid Kent with a C-U.

[@fentonpeter1582]

So what about little Ken(ny) Ham ???????????????? cheers from Tassie ps.Geez I hope you're not a banana bender !!!!!

[@bigrichie3739]

I’m not Australian, I just call him a c~nt.

[@kazkorianor]

We all should call him that

[@jogsingumboots]

He's not a doctor, he got a piece of paper from a double wide trailer calling itself a 'university'. A literal double wide trailer not a literal doctorate.

[@chloewright1]

He has more than one degree.

[@Dr-Curious]

@@chloewright1 Diploma mills sell you as many as you want.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

I believe Kunt Hovind "earned" his degree at Costco. I hear Costco has an excellent law school, according to Idiocracy.

[@East_TN_Explorer]

Double wide trailers, aka modular homes, are actually rather nice. I think his was from a single wide shack calling itself a trailer, pretending to be a university. Lol

[@christinejarman-ok6me]

He could have a phd in obscene fuckwittery

[@alexandersillan8139]

As Ricky Gervais said, 'If you got rid of every religious scripture and in 100 years told them to rewrite it, it would be different. But if you took away every science book, in 100 years the writings would be the same because we can re-do the experiments and they would turn out the same'.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Obviously

[@gregorymoore2877]

If you took away every science book, in 100 years the writings would not be the same. You will not catch up to several hundred years worth of knowledge in only 100 years. The current summary of scientific knowledge is a moving target. That's if we ever really catch up. How likely would we be to get another Tesla, another Einstein, or another Hawking, etc to recover the knowlege.

[@BusterSwordsman]

I understand what he meant, but it feels a little disingenuous. The majority of the Bible and the Torah read like records of historic events. If you erase the only written record of events that happened 2000+ years ago, of course people are not going to be able to recreate them.

[@BusterSwordsman]

I understand what he meant, but it feels a little disingenuous. The majority of the Bible and the Torah read like records of historic events. If you erase the only written record of events that happened 2000+ years ago, of course people are not going to be able to recreate them.

[@BaronSamedi1959]

@@BusterSwordsman "The majority of the Bible and the Torah read like records of historic events.""read like" are the operational words. In truth, the vast majority of the writings in the Old Testament are pure fantasy. There never was a Moses or Abraham, no exodus from Egypt, no Red Sea crossing, no 40 years in the desert. There is no archeological evidence whatsoever of these events.

[@HighTher3]

Him accidentally explaining natural selection was priceless. He's so close he just refuses to give in to the truth.

[@mihaitha]

The big bang theory is supported by a wide range of data. The creation theory is supported by a wide range of different translations of the same ancient text.

[@Ifrit8054]

And with more than one proven changes based on what the new writer believes.

[@redwiltshire1816]

Tbf the Big Bang is heavily debated there’s a number of theories on the start but none of those are gods

[@blindleader42]

"The creation theory" That's the strangest spelling of _myth_ I've ever seen.

[@mihaitha]

@@blindleader42 sorry, typo.

[@Mm17297]

The big bang theory can easily be disproved by its dumb singularity theory. It's nonsense.

[@Suthek]

You know, if you think about it "Let's pretend for a sec." *is* science. It's how a hypothesis is formed. "Let's pretend for a sec that illnesses are caused by very small lifeforms. How would we expect reality to behave?"

[@Dutch_Vander_Linde_]

Well, hypothesis isn't about pretending. You assume that your hypothesis is coherent with reality and based off previous knowledge.

[@lyndafjellman3315]

Not so much, it's more like, gosh I have this cool telescope, I wonder what little things I might see if I turn it on this pond water? Oh LOOK! Animalcuae! I wonder if they are in places other than pond water? OH GACK! I have them in my mouth! No pretending, just lots of questions.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@Suthek Important correction. "Let us pretend for a second" is only the very initial step of forming a hypothesis, let alone of science. Never say it IS science. But, then the next step is what Dutch_Vander_Linde_ said.

[@Suthek]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 Obviously. And "Is science" was more shorthand for "is an element of the scientific process".

[@joesweeney6262]

In the scientific method, you come up with a hypothesis based on evidence (observation) and then explicitly try to disprove it through experimentation. Reality does not "behave." It just is.

[@geofdownton782]

Whilst we're considering "infinitely dense"...

[@ericwood9513]

Lol I was seriously pondering this when I hit this comment

[@jpdemer5]

You have to laugh at a guy who rants against textbooks for being "full of fabrications", and then turns around and pulls out a Bible.

[@thebipolarpsychonaut4984]

I really wished people like him would catch that for the first time on video.

[@woksrandomchannel]

The same guy went to prison thinking tax laws were fake, too. Guess he found out.

[@jasonrice6181]

Creationist really don't see the irony when they say "you cannot create matter out of nothing" before saying "God created it..."

[@escthedark3709]

That's mostly because creationists first presume that God is supernatural in nature, or in other words, that he is not beholden to any human observations of the natural world.

[@GrigoriRasputin]

The irony is that the faithful deny their creator's creation.

[@agelessstranger964]

The hidden key, the leap not taken.

[@charlespeterson7149]

Absolutely. If one were to believe in an entity who is "eternal", then "14 billion years" would be, to that entity, kinda like "this week". If one were to believe in an eternal entity who is the same "yesterday, today, and forever", then said entity would not go from sitting around enjoying the silence to suddenly creating a world of troublesome mortals, and paying omniscient attention to them all right down to the last sparrow. If one were to believe in an eternal, unchanging entity who creates people and stuff and space and planets and stars, just because that is who he is and that is what he does, then I would expect that if you were to select a vantage point where you could look out into his works, it would be utterly mind-bogglingly huge - and expanding, because he doesn't stop. If one were to say "no, it's only 6,000 years old" (say, because one had taken some symbolism as literal, and then applied some really inappropriate and unsupportable assumptions to it), that would be an insult to the Creator. If one were to say "no, all of creation is a flat Earth no bigger than a donkey could walk around in its lifetime", that would be an insult to the Creator. If one were to spend the majority of his time trying to insult the Creator, I would suspect him of being in the pay of That Other Guy. If one were to believe in an eternal, unchanging Creator, one would not look at all of Creation and label it as "All Lies." I think the appropriate label would be "More coming - check again soon!"

[@NorbertKasko]

​@@charlespeterson7149The eternal creator thing still BS. from a completely logical standpoint. Creationists argue that in order for things to exist they must have a creator. The Universe exists. Therefore: God. Now, the problem with this statement, is that if the above statement is true, you can't stop at one God. God MUST have a creator by their logic, and a creator of that creator, and so on. The chain never ends! You end up with a literally infinite amount of Gods.

[@charlespeterson7149]

@@NorbertKasko Yes. Exactly. You could use the exact same argument to say that I don't exist, because I had a father, and he had to have a father, etc, ad infinitum, but I hope you don't, because I may have a difficult time proving to you that I do exist. I'm not an AI, just a human, former sheepherder, cabinet maker, and data analyst, and I'll just beg that you take on faith, sight unseen, with no supporting evidence, that I do exist. (Please note: My faith is not precisely what is known as "mainstream". I'll not try to take the discussion farther afield.)

[@MGForums]

@@charlespeterson7149all hail charlespeterson7149

[@grip4us]

Got to love how this guy always uses elementary school textbooks rather than PHD level academic writings

[@wizardsuth]

Sadly he understands neither.

[@NanDiscus]

"Infinitely dense point" - a perfect summary of Kent Hovind.

[@awesomearcades1685]

I never understood how somebody who claims to be a Christian can lie so easily. And make no mistake. This guy is not just incorrect. He is willfully dishonest. He spends his days coming up with creative ways to deceive people and manipulate facts.

[@juanranger4214]

The question is simple: can genetic mutations do what the theory of "common ancestry proposes"?

[@awesomearcades1685]

@@juanranger4214 no. That is not the question. Not at all.

[@juanranger4214]

@@awesomearcades1685 It is indeed the question that must be answered. The theory of common ancestry is a theory born from the observation of “natural selection”, which makes assumptions, saying that all life on earth has common ancestry even though man was not there to see it. So the question that should be answered in order for the theory to be true is: “can genetic mutations do what the theory proposes?” That is how science works. A theory that is accepted without it being questioned is a blind faith, not a science.

[@mrawesome2742]

@@juanranger4214 it’s a lot of words for saying nothing lol. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make other than you seem to not believe in evolution.

[@John_Smith_60]

@juanranger4214 What makes you think that the theory has never been questioned, or that the question has never been answered? The use of the word "theory" itself implies both of those things.

[@lonewolf4215]

I've said this before but evolution is also visible in elephants, where the poachers are targeting elephants with bigger tusks its leaving elephants with smaller tusks to pass on that DNA code, smaller tusks = less chance of being poached = more chance of passing on that DNA = survival of the fittest

[@badroad1000]

The same thing was happening with sport fishing. People kept the big fish and threw back the small ones, so the fish got smaller over time. That's why a lot of fishing competitions have gone to a catch-and-release model.

[@paulzuk1468]

Kent doesn't seem to grasp that human activity also applies selection pressures. Like, the caption under his sheep picture *literally says* the short leg mutation is useful for farmers. Yes, the wolf would catch that sheep first, but we protect sheep from wolves by using guns and sheepdogs, so selection pressures for domesticated sheep are *dramatically* different than natural ones. So in nature you won't find a lot of short-legged sheep ; You won't find sheep which are anywhere near as docile, or producing so much wool, either. Somehow, for "dr" Kent Hovind, this is proof that...evolution is a lie and has never been observed?

[@citizenVader]

For those who don't know Kent, strap in...

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

Oh how I envy people who don't know who hovid is!

[@citizenVader]

@@MadHax-wt5tl lol, yeah, he is nothing you need.. at all.

[@AnglandAlamehnaSwedish]

​@@MadHax-wt5tllol I have seen him before n didn't have to see him ,I knew who it was by his "all knowing" voice

[@edgarmatzinger9742]

_"For those who don't know Kent"_ I had once a "discussion" with someone who wanted Dan to debate Hovind. He would claim that it would be useful. "Knowing" Hovind this would be a useless endeavour because Hovind would never accept new and correct information.

[@doritofan1002]

Hovind doesn’t debate he just preaches. Give him 2 minutes to speak and it would take 2 hours to debunk everything he said.

[@heronimousbrapson863]

And yet Hovind has no problem believing that a magical being who came out of nowhere created the universe out of nothing...

[@MichaelEstes-gp7cc]

Oh, no he just always existed.

[@blindleader42]

@@MichaelEstes-gp7cc Says the group that also says that everything in existence had to be made. 😆 It's impossible to know if you're being sarcastic or serious. See Poe's law.

[@AngelMass]

Why do they believe in talking donkeys much easier than in science?

[@louisbaker4362]

​@@MichaelEstes-gp7cc Creationists can't have it both ways. If something exists then it has to have a start point so if the one monotheistic God exists then it had to come from somewhere. At least with polytheism, this is generally explained but this doesn't hold true for the God of Abraham.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@blindleader42 I think it's unmarked sarcasm, I recognise the name and I don't think he's a creationist.

[@dustinchase9187]

The great thing about free speech is that anyone can say whatever they want. The horrible about free speech is that anyone can say whatever they want.

[@zyxw2000]

And on the internet both Nobel Prize winners and nutsos can speak. It's scary.

[@ElectroNeutrino]

The big bang theory doesn't say that the entire universe was condensed into an infinitely small point. It says that the universe has evolved from an extremely dense state to the one we see today via expansion.

[@vishnuraj2277]

"That's not science" says the guy who says "God did it" 😂

[@letoubib21]

_C'mon! After all, it's called religious _*_SCIENCE,_*_ isn't it?_ *;-)*

[@phillipharrison886]

funny how he whole heartily believes science when he thinks it supports his own points

[@letoubib21]

@@phillipharrison886 _The enemy of my enemy is my friend---the friend of my enemy is my enemy_ *. . .*

[@Stabby_Dave]

@@letoubib21 : The friend of my friend is "Steve" ;o)

[@letoubib21]

@@Stabby_Dave _Touché!_ *;-)*

[@-Thauma-]

He could have been a stand up comedian. Instead he chose to be a sit down comedian.

[@bakinginc.3844]

His source is literally just "Trust me Bro"😂

[@Loccyster]

His main counterargument is to hand wave and say "that doesn't happen" without providing any supporting evidence. It's infuriatingly hilarious 😂

[@bakinginc.3844]

@@Loccyster this and while saying that you cant do that as a scientist (evem tho they actually provide evidence)

[@seikou1762]

@@Loccyster He got tired of using the good old "science is dumb because it says everything came from nothing, now I will explain to you how God created everything out of nothing"

[@guytheincognito4186]

​@@seikou1762 Indeed. God created all life but it's not related, just like it's unrelated to God because God didn't create all life as reality isn't related to God as God doesn't exist.

[@tonyjackson4078]

Well he also sprinkles in the rebuttal of "Nuh-uh" without any further explanation.

[@vex1669]

I'm low-key amazed that his videos have not been removed for "misinformation".

[@zyxw2000]

Did you check if it's still there? YT has been cracking down lately.

[@jonc1733]

Love how all his arguments are just "not true cause I say so"

[@Leo-wk7yw]

Hovind struggling to understand the concept of "infinitely dense" is ironic.

[@senolasan7439]

He's struggling to understand reality and we are asking him to understand concepts ... It's our fault ;)

[@shadowknightgladstay4856]

​@@senolasan7439not sure what you mean understand reality. He seems to have a grasp of it taxation is theft inforced by thugs with guns but if we all stopped paying protection money the theft would stop. But their goes a concept we as a people can't seem to get.

[@Apple-om5mr]

@@shadowknightgladstay48561. Not really relevant to this discussion 2. Go live in the woods if you dont wanna pay taxes, ill enjoy driving on my tax funded roads to my tax funded library to read a tax funded book

[@jakemiller3812]

in 2009 there was a report on observed evolution in lizards by Jonathon Losos. there was a hurricane, lots of lizards died, except a few, with wider toes at the front and slimmer at the back. they were way better at holding onto branches, so they werent thrown through the air.

[@saulmighty]

Creationists would then say that's just adaption or a form or microevolution, not macroevolution where a species becomes another species with totally different traits. No one's going to observe that in our human lifetime and they reject fossil proof of that happening so... 🤷

[@zyxw2000]

Then the tortoises on the Galapagos islands. Each one evolved differently depending on the environment.

[@cambridgemart2075]

There is a species of moth that evolved from being white with black dappling to being almost entirely black: why? This occurred in the industrial revolution in England's black country where most building were covered in soot; birds couldn't see the black moths easily so they survived and the original colouration died out.

[@ThomasTrue]

Kent asks Nature Magazine for the proof, but the fact is he's been SHOWN the proof, several times, but simply refuses to accept it. And that is why, Dan, you should not waste your time and energy debating him.

[@zyxw2000]

Does he never get tired of dealing with these nutsos? He's done HUNDREDS.

[@robyn051]

@@zyxw2000 Easy money since they're so easily debunkable. The bills and mortgage won't pay themselves yk

[@arkron81]

"Evolution is a religion of death, not life." Very rich coming from someone whose religious symbol is the instrument of torture and death of their god's son, usually depicting the torture and death of said god/god's son.

[@MgtowRubicon]

Apologetics relies on logical fallacies, scientific illiteracy, science denial, virtue signaling, and intellectually insulting sophistry for a position that is not based on reason & evidence, but only on the politics of how to violate the informed consent.

[@dlewis1701]

That’s unironically one of the best, most concise explanations of natural selection I’ve heard in a long time. They should teach Kent (although just this tiny bit) in schools!!

[@DeGuerre]

All these "beneficial mutations have never been observed" folks... where were they during the pandemic THAT LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED? We saw new variants emerge in real time.

[@simongiles9749]

Denying its existence, for the most part.

[@wizardsuth]

When you point that our they move the goalposts by saying, "It's still just a virus. It didn't become a new species."

[@jpdemer5]

The average human today is more resistant to COVID than the average human was before the pandemic. It's not just the virus that evolves.

[@DeGuerre]

@@simongiles9749 Sadly, yes.

[@TheGaffanon]

You are asking people who don’t think , to think.

[@andrewlinney2698]

DO NOT DEBATE MR HOVIND. He is only interested in having as many debates as possible and has zero intention of listening to anything he is told in that debate. Debating him is a complete waste of your time.

[@ChadFaragher]

He thinks that evolution implies that there must be a family photo where Mommy Fish was giving birth to Baby Chimpanzee (it doesn't) and that because that is impossible (it is) that the whole of evolution must be wrong (it isn't). And he cannot imagine that gradual change could account for the lineage (it can). He says things like "You evolved from a rock" "You're related to a strawberry" "Your great-great...-granddaddy was a bacterium" in complete disbelief. I mean just look at the rock on his bookshelf labelled "Grandpa?" He has iconic incredulity.

[@teresacarey3269]

Debunking his own argument? He was not prepared for that!

[@ozowen]

... and lactase persistence mutations are varied. The same result- lactase persistence- leading to lactose tolerance, has evolved in different ways in different populations.

[@RustyWalker]

Hill sheep have longer kegs on their left side than their right so they can stay upright while walking around on the hill. Their fleece makes them so top heavy that if their legs were the same length, they'd lean and their mass would make them fall over and they'd roll all the way to the bottom, often landing upside down in streams and drowning. It sounds a bit like this. BAAAAAA aaaaaa AAAAAAAA aaaaaaa AAAAAAAA aaaaaaa *SPLASH* blurble blurble blerb.

[@Nai61a]

Rusty etc: Come back, Rusty. Your subscribers miss you!

[@zyxw2000]

:-D

[@SoundzAlive1]

Is he saying that the universe came from himself? He did say it was incredibly dense!

[@bwtv147]

Mark Twain said "Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."

[@135ipocketrocket2]

Can't come from nothing, so science fails? But magical sky daddy can do it? Hopeless.

[@NelinhoMarinus]

How the f*** does someone understand natural selection but not evolution???? 😵‍💫

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

His job is dependent on him not understanding it.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

They had to create the notions of "macroevolution" and "microevolution" in order to reconcile the incontrovertible proof of evolution. So they accept evolution is true, they just call it something else to pretend it doesn't exist, and ignore that if it can happen over a few thousand years, it could also happen over millions of years.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

That's why they had to create "microevolution" and "macroevolution". It became impossible to deny, so they had to rename it.

[@Cheepchipsable]

He thinks that natural selection of animals occurs within their "kind", so dogs change due to natural selection, but they will never, ever, ever evolve into another species...EVER!

[@maxlutz3674]

The example with the sheep is a strawman. He uses it as an example to counter the claim that all mutations are good. The claim is not made by scientists though. It is a surprisingly popular believe that evolution works towards a goal when in fact it is random and outcome depends on many factors that may swing the result in one direction or another.

[@arcanics1971]

One of the reasons that Kent "Felon" Hovind chooses textbooks aimed at very young children, rather than say college level texts, is because the simplifications in the young-targeted books fits with his strawmanning of science.

[@barrylangille3523]

He always sounds like a smartass adolescent, so I guess it's fair.

[@catelynh1020]

Eh, and here i was thinking that was just due to his reading level.

[@lovfro]

It also fits his reading level

[@BradGryphonn]

Hey, Dan I can't sit through a video about that arrogant PoS. So, instead of watching, I turn the video on and go make a coffee and a snack, or go outside for a pee. I find this helps you out, and keeps my anger from erupting. Cheers from Australia.

[@sjames1955]

You have internet but no bathroom? Wow!

[@John_Smith_60]

Elon works in mysterious ways.

[@MgtowRubicon]

"In all of human history, the supernatural has never turned out to be the right answer to anything: Natural explanations of phenomena have replaced supernatural ones thousands upon thousands of times, while supernatural explanations have replaced natural ones exactly never." -- Greta Christina

[@MrDanAng1]

3:25 An nearly infinately small point comprising all the energy of the universe DO explain where the matter come from, and doesn't violate the first law of thermodynamics. However, a god creating the universe ex nihilo... that DOES violate tge first law of thermodynamics, while not explaining anything, but just making a claim.

[@mattstanford9673]

"Mutations are not going to cause evolution." You're correct. Mutations **are** evolution. Whether or not it's a positive or negative evolution, it's still an evolution. Positive evolutions are just what are likeliest to get passed on.

[@mattstanford9673]

It seems Hovind here is conflating "evolution" with positive, and "mutation" as negative. They're one and the same, term-wise. Evolution is just the umbrella term, while mutations are the method. The more pertinent question is "is Kent lying or ignorant?" Because either is pretty damning to him being a "doctor."

[@petertaysum8947]

I think this underlies all Creationists' views. They are disconcerted by the lack of purpose to Evolution, and that the Universe/Reality has any "interest" in the process. Kent, and all the other Creationists, always get stuck on their horror at the suggestion of life evolving from a common origin. They never discuss the other two dynamics at play in Evolution: Parasitism, and Symbiosis, both yielding ample evidence of Natural Selection, and the huge time scales involved. Kent is nothing more than a scared White Supremacist, terrified that a monkey/ape ancestor came down from the trees, and embarked on a journey to become Humanity.

[@Yamyatos]

Mutations are not evolution. Mutations cause variation. Evolution is the process of applying selective pressures on a population which causes the more fit individuals to procreate. Mutations are a key part of evolution, but it's not the same thing.

[@mattstanford9673]

@@Yamyatos Sure, from a scientific-community viewpoint, where distinctions of "theory" exist. The colloquial "theory" meaning what "hypothesis" means in the scientific community. If you're talking about Evolution™, then yes. They aren't the same. I agree. Much like Theory™ isn't the same as theory. But mutations are still an evolutionary step, so every mutation is a form of evolution either way it goes. I feel like we're saying the same thing, I just think we're splitting hairs on a technical basis. Evolution™ vs evolution. I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn this, but I'm not a member of the scientific community. I joined the military out of high school, got shot at a few times, and came back home to Arkansas to live out the rest of my life. I'm far more bound to use the interchangeable colloquial terms than the "actual" terms. Though I understand the differences. But at this point, I think we'll (or at the very least I'll) just be repeating ourselves so...I dunno. Agree to disagree or whatever.

[@Yamyatos]

@@mattstanford9673 I agree that this is splitting hairs, *but* you are still wrong in saying mutations are evolution. Mutations are a key element of what we call evolution, but there is other such key elements, like environmental and sexual selective pressure, or reproduction itself. None of these on their own are evolution. Mutations happen on the level of the individual. Evolution is a change over time on a species level. The mutation of an individual is not and can not be considered evolution. The spreading of beneficial adaptations and the removal of disadvantageous adaptations throughout the genepool of a species, is what we call evolution. Your individual mutation, no matter how good or bad it is, has no effect on the species itself. An individual organism *can not* evolve. Each children is of the very same species as its parents. Have a great day!

[@trevorcorker929]

brilliant! that last bit where Kent debunks himself was the best part of the video, it quite literally went right over his head !! 😄😄😄😄

[@gregorymoore2877]

At what point did Kent debunk himself?

[@trevorcorker929]

@@gregorymoore2877 at 10: 33 in the video !

[@gregorymoore2877]

@@trevorcorker929 The part where he talked about the sheep with short legs being first to get caught by a wolf? That's just a logical prediction. What did he say previously that was debunked?

[@trevorcorker929]

@@gregorymoore2877 just the bit about the sheep legs, he literally, as Dan says, shows natural selection, all part of evolution, which Ken preaches isn`t a thing !

[@southerndruid3391]

I'm sorry, I had to watch this in small stages because there is only so much drivel I can take from a convicted felon(10yrs federal prison for tax evasion, and convicted of domestic violence in 2021).

[@AlexanderShultis]

You basically read off my comment on a previous video on lactose intolerance! And I'm all here for it!

[@msmith42001]

Is this the new “15° per hour drift” sound bite? Love it!

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

"Matter can not be created or destroyed" is the first law of thermodynamics now?

[@jpdemer5]

It's almost as if he hasn't actually read any of those textbooks.

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

@@jpdemer5 maybe he just doesn't know how to open a codex / book as he's still stuck in the age of the scroll, and so has only read what's on the cover pages? kzbin.info/www/bejne/poKriWCJn8yErLM

[@ReneLangerWien]

I can't be the only one annoyed, by creationists misquoting the laws of thermodynamic. Energy can't be destroyed, but they always claim that matter can't be destroyed, which is just wrong. Matter is a form of energy, and matter can be converted to energy, so that it isn't matter anymore. One might say that the matter was destroyed. This is measurable, and in fact, the usable energy "created" in fusion and fission reactions, called mass defect.

[@wilcowiersma9465]

Not only is the wolf going to catch the sheep with the short legs, but it also gives the others time to escape and pass on their genes.😂😂😂

[@maxlutz3674]

Also it´s a matter of context. That sheep is not from a wild population. It might make the sheepdog´s work much easier when the wolf shows up.

[@thenephilim9819]

My favorite creationist "argument" is: "I've never witnessed a monkey giving birth to a human" 😂🙈

[@EduardoTavasci]

I really cannot stand that old man talking, it's like watching fraud taking place.

[@cambridgemart2075]

I would argue that it's not 'like' it, it IS it.

[@whoviating]

I've heard recently that even other creationists think Kenny is a waste of space.

[@iaindavis4417]

Kent wouldn't even win a debate with a fence post

[@oldtvnut]

But he would claim he did.

[@jpdemer5]

The fence post is smart enough not to say anything stupid. Kent, on the other hand...

[@drdave8607]

What are you talking about? According to Kent, He's never lost a debate!

[@smartinro.]

I wonder why KZbin gives voice to this kind of people and at the same time they ban some themes and words... It's ridiculous.

[@Dystopianutopiabuilds]

I imagine it's because stuff like this can actually lead someone to easily cause themselves or others harm. It's just nonsense and belief but shouldn't really affect someone's day to day life.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

@@Dystopianutopiabuilds Unfortunately it can and does cause actual harm, large numbers of people have died because they have rejected proven modern medical treatments in favour of "the power of prayer" encouraged by science deniers like Hovind and his ilk.

[@ExistenceUniversity]

It's called freedom. People are allowed to talk. Bit of a fascist are you?

[@simongiles9749]

I thought Hovind had his channel removed, perhaps he's back.

[@MGForums]

I love how creative the creators are at changing “flagged words”. My current favourite is “un-alive d”, as in “he unalived someone”.

[@Jimages_uk]

He makes Trump look sane

[@EBDavis111]

Not really.

[@johnchambers9836]

And honest

[@jeanfrancoysdoyon2713]

Y'a toujours un cave qui doit amener ses vues politiques dans toutes les discussions. Hein mon esti de graine?

[@AnarexicSumo]

​@@jeanfrancoysdoyon2713 It's not even about political views. The guy simply can not string a coherent sentence together.

[@stafforddavis5638]

Every time he states that science is a religion, he commits a sin.

[@SysterYster]

One of the coolest things with DNA is that no old DNA codes are lost, their functions are merely turned off. But sometimes they get turned back on, cause funny things like women who can see ultraviolet, and people with fur and tails, birds with claws on their wings, tails and teeth, etc. It's super cool. Most of the time though, the old genes are turned off for a reason, and new mutations are 99,9% of the time either not doing any significant difference, or they are harmful. But sometimes, and often enough, the mutation gives an advantage, the specimen survived and thrives, and spreads the new gene. Amazing.

[@wizardsuth]

Some parts of the genome become non-functional and are effectively lost. For example, primates lost the ability to produce vitamin C due to a mutation about 61 million years ago.

[@LumpyFPV]

Once a dirty grifting conman ALWAYS a dirty grifting conman. Also, the way he says "matter" infuriates me in a way not many things have.

[@Arjun-Subra]

Do I see a "thanks Kent" running gag starting? 😂

[@HaurakiVet]

If Kent is the best that creationists can come up with to support their case no wonder Christianity is a rapidly dying belief here in NZ.

[@dogwalker666]

He is a YEC cultist not an actual Christian, Even Christians laugh at YEC.

[@nagranoth_]

If Hovind is unhappy, that makes me happy...

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

Religion began when the first con artist met the first naive fool.

[@RaisinHook]

no Religion was a bunch of cavemen theorizing, of course they got everything wrong due to not understanding anything

[@festo8885]

Quite clearly. It's been the biggest con of all time. Preying on people's vulnerability and fear of death. Quite a clever little scam they got going.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@festo8885 Yup. Perfect analysis :) .

[@klepto5596]

It came from the minds of historical kings as a means to keep the masses in order.

[@klepto5596]

@@YouNeedToHitTheRangeMore He was extremely late to the party.

[@ColinDH12345]

The definition of delusional, driven by an astonishing ego

[@LittleFishes674]

I kinda think that Kent Hovind is not delusional, He's deliberately scamming people.

[@SeattleDinghyer]

He's also ruined Hawaiian shirts as well.

[@phidoughs]

Another standing ovation, from a room of one. Thanks SciManDan, your info is always good and i'm right with you on much of it. (40 years of mechanical Engineering) Keep doing what you're doing!!!

[@jgamb914]

Hi Dan... Cheers from NJ. USA. I love your videos and have been a subscriber for years. I love how you debunk these people. It gives me an uplifting laugh to start my day. Thanks Pal.

[@dallasgrant]

I can't take him seriously, not because he's religious, but because he's so adamant about the lies he tells, despite all of them being disproved/disprovable. I'm open to most things, if someone can show me something that I would have thought was fake or made up I'm happy to be proven wrong, Kent however will never be like that. I wonder how he feels about rhino's horns shrinking over the past century to deter being hunted, well that's the theory anyway, I'd like to know his thoughts on that, but I dare not venture to his channel, not right now.

[@kg6801]

He won't have any thoughts, just more bluff, lies, incredulity and nonsense

[@gregorymoore2877]

Are you saying the rhinos are shrinking their horns from generation to generation with the goal that the hunting will decrease? I'm assuming you are talking about people hunting rhinos specifically for the horn (which I thought was illegal, but poachers will be poachers) and rhinos have few natural predators, if any. I submit that the poaching of rhinos is the cause of their horns getting smaller. A poacher that just wants the horns will obviously target the animals with larger horns. Dead animals don't pass on their genes, therefore the "smaller horn" gene would be the one that gets passed on. It would appear that the rhinos are "shrinking their horns" but what is really happening is a reduction in the variety of sizes of horns in favor of the smaller horns. A rhino with any size horn is still a rhino.

[@OzoneGrif]

I'm glad Kent doesn't teach anymore, he must be a horrible teacher. Wait no, he IS a horrible teacher.

[@andystokes8702]

He never was a teacher, he merely indulged in brainwashing the home schooled children of religious fundamentalists in churches he had founded. He has no teaching qualifications - his only 'qualification' is a doctorate issued by an equally unqualified person from a trailer in a parking lot in the middle of nowhere.

[@Cheepchipsable]

There are a crap load of videos of his "lessons" floating around. Picked up by some home schooling network.

[@escthedark3709]

Whenever he's teaching things that are scientific, he can be a very good teacher. One could get into semantics about teaching scientifically unverified stuff making him a bad teacher, so perhaps it might be better to say that he had a lot of potential to be a very good teacher.

[@neutrino78x]

4:35 Dan, what this guy Kent doesn't understand is that, given what we know, objectively, about the universe, if there is a God, it would have written the laws of physics and then left everything on autopilot. Viewed properly there's no conflict....but he wants to take a holy book and read it literally, when it's intended as allegory, and use it as a science book, when it's intended as a spiritual book. He should read the book Brother Astronomer. It is written by the current head of the Vatican Observatory, Dr. Guy Consolmagno, who holds a BS in Planetary Science from MIT and a Ph.D. in the same subject from the University of Arizona, and is also a Brother in the Jesuit Order. Dr. Consolmagno explains that philosophy and religion, done properly, are informed by science. And science has discovered that the universe is 14 billion year old and that we evolved from lower forms of life. Any religion has to be in that context. Dr. Conolmagno says that the Jesuit Order -- that's his division of the Roman Catholic Church -- sees the practice of secular science as a way of worshiping God, because it's looking at how things came to be. btw he has an asteroid named after him, 4597 Consolmagno. 🙂 Note that, while I think there's a God out there, I'm not Catholic. I'm a "Deist". But Kent is right, we can't prove the existence of God objectively, but we CAN prove (or at least support with voluminous objective evidence) the way the universe came to be....so it has to inform religion. As a Deist I don't see a problem. He does because he's trying to look at a spiritual book and use it as a science book. lol.

[@tma2001]

re. "I'm not Catholic. I'm a "Deist"." that's the problem right there with the intellectual dishonesty and cognitve dissonance of Dr Consolmagno and his ilk when it comes to the compatibility of evolution with a benevolent, omnipotent Creator. There's a reason apologists have been fighting a rear guard action since 1859.

[@federicogiana]

As you realize, your position isn't appliable to Howind. He's a biblical literalist. I wouldn't be surprised if I discovered he's also a rabid anti-chatolic and every evening he checks under the bed in fear a Jesuit is hiding there. I surely met more than enough Young Earth Creationists who fit that description. It was another chatolic priest, altough not a Jesuit, who proposed the "Big Bang Theory" in the first place. You're speaking about rational people, scientists who are _also_ believers. Other people don't have the intelligence or the upbringing or the confidence (or, I guess, the faith) necessary to espouse your philosophy. And, well, until the 1800s Deists were labelled "Atheists".

[@neutrino78x]

@@federicogiana Yeah, I agree, I'm just saying, I would attempt to explain the above (my original comment) to him if I got the chance. Not that he would listen lol. He sounds like a real jackass lol

[@neutrino78x]

@@tma2001 "hat's the problem right there with the intellectual dishonesty and cognitve dissonance of Dr Consolmagno and his ilk when it comes to the compatibility of evolution with a benevolent, omnipotent Creator." What incompatibility would that be? Catholocism doesn't predict anything different from what science has learned, hence no incompatibility. Now, the guy in the video we're talking about, he DOES predict things different from what science has learned. So as far as that guy's delusions, yes, I agree. But the Jesuits are NOT fundamentalists, man. I think it's in how you interpret nature. I agree with Consolmagno when he said in an interview, "it didn't have to be beautiful, but it is." 🙂

[@toddshinn4955]

When I moved into my house, 40 years ago, I had long and short dandelions in my yard. The long ones got mowed down every summer and the short ones did not. Guess which ones are still in my yard. And that's what we call, "natural selection".

[@vashtivanniasingham6354]

That's ignorant because the short ones became long ones so which one seeded your yard?

[@toddshinn4955]

@@vashtivanniasingham6354 Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I got it wrong. Well, me and Justin Ma, PhD. He's just a plant breeder and Geneticist, soooo, I'll pass on your wise words. And here are a few from me: " that's ignorant" may not be your best opening when approaching a teaching moment.

[@LearnTheHorizon]

Hovind's modus operandi : read something off a textbook, say "you can't do that" and repeat. No explanation, no examples, just "no"

[@thefourshowflip]

7:12 While it’s not better for US, antibiotic resistance is an example of a mutation that one might consider to be extremely beneficial to those microbes… Good ol Kent Hovind doing his usual thing 😅

[@SkepToidious]

If Kent Hovind told me his legal full name, I'd still check his ID just to be sure.

[@MikeyKaos716]

He could tell me the sky is blue and I'm going to worry that it turned red until I see it's still blue for myself.

[@Harldin]

Dr Kent the Science Gent, 3 lies in 5 words and I would want to see some ID to prove Kent is his name.

[@masterofmanythings1]

Kent should not be alone with children

[@tma2001]

or any priest/pastor for that matter cos' ya know they are so moral /s

[@zyxw2000]

But he votes.

[@joetri10]

Theres something so insane to me that a person can claim factual evidence as false, whilst in the same breath claim they believe in god. It's mind bending.

[@Faesharlyn]

6:05 "Let's move on to your next lie... *KENT*" Sometimes hearing words in other accents gives me a giggle lol

[@brotherofmelody]

Isn’t it hilarious that he has a problem the whole universe originated from one dense point, but has no problem believing two of every species of animals once fitted on Noah‘s Ark? 😂

[@Markfr0mCanada]

"14 seconds ago"? Wow I'm early! Thanks Dan!

[@MikeB-nn4nh]

That’s what he said… 😅

[@arranleon7874]

Watch "Dr" Hovind vs Mr Anderson! Great stuff! 😎

[@gh7319]

Got to love the irony of someone calling evolution a "religion of death" when a human sacrifice forms the foundation of their own preferred religion.

[@joaomarreiros4906]

They are never happy, reality is just too hard for them Dan.