Logan Paul sued Coffeezilla and it's Crap (ft. Coffezilla's Lawyers)

[@LegalEagle]

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[@ThawtsForFood]

Legal Eagle and Coffeezilla is the unknown team up we didn’t know we needed

[@ARTSONICFAN990]

LegalEagle: Will Logan Paul win the lawsuit against Coffeezilla? Me imitating a famous Invincible meme: That's the best part: He won't.

[@zdelrod829]

21:54 "I'll put a link to Coffeezilla's Patreon in the description" It's not there? Edit: Not long after my comment, both the description and the pinned comment were edited to contain the Patreon link.

[@DnDmepls]

Professionally speaking, I don't care what Logan Paul does as his hobby, but man, he promised but couldn't deliver. That's very disappointing of you, man

[@starryeye6511]

​@@zdelrod829 I'm guessing coffeezilla has a link on his KZbin page

[@MultiKatieBee]

It brings me joy to learn that Logal Paul's own attorney couldn't be bothered to spell his name correctly.

[@Watcher-of-Forms]

Truly one of the lawyers of all time.

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

​@@Watcher-of-Forms the lawyer ever, even

[@kyuuketsukiinu]

wait can someone give me a timestamp?

[@tonypacheco8245]

@@kyuuketsukiinu11:38

[@SynchroScore]

"Mr. Hutz, do you realize you're not wearing any pants?"

[@virgochick87]

The crazy part of this lawsuit is that it implies that logan paul's reputation has any value at all

[@ClumsyToast]

My thoughts exactly. His character and reputation are despicable.

[@iTsEfFiNsTePhh]

Apparently it does because despite everything he's done over the years some people still shockingly support him... sad 😕

[@xcyphs]

Sadly it does to children just look how crazy they go for prime

[@quekdamien]

Logan Paul never had any reputation

[@nexustom5823]

​@@ClumsyToasthes a fighter now I wonder ir that changes anything? Idk nothing law lol

[@Lite_duct_tape]

Trying to silence an investigative reporter is a massive sign that you’ve done some illegal shady ass shit.

[@devonwilliams2423]

As much as I don’t like Logan I’d be pissed lmao he’s the ONLY influencer being forced to pay back, even Jason derito and 100 other influencers just scammed all their fans and getting away lol

[@kitnkabootles]

@@devonwilliams2423 ?? Yea, I guess he's allowed to be pissed pissed. How come all the other scammers get to scam and Logan isn't allowed?! Unfair! xD

[@Umega101]

@@devonwilliams2423 That's your logic to justify being a Logan Paul fanboy...? You think other people aren't being held accountable and so he shouldn't...???

[@daszieher]

Read between the lines, ​@@Umega101 I wouldn't think that he is a fanboy 😂

[@kennedymwangi5973]

Thats a really dumb way to see things. Thats like saying lets not punish this murderer since so many more are walking free out there, so dumb​@@devonwilliams2423

[@nommnincsa]

He (Coffeezilla) is also running a merch store selling some super cool shirts. He intends to use the proceeds from that merch for this lawsuit and, in the off chance that there's excess, that money will be held for future lawsuits.

[@Alex-vk7qg]

I’m buying some merch today! Let’s show our support to someone that defends people against scammers

[@Mark-pz9xw]

Saw the video, and merhcandise, last night. Going to order one today - they are quality!

[@meowmeowmcpurrington2480]

I was hoping to buy some merch but he's all sold out! gonna have to wait for the next round, but I'm happy to see everyones supporting him

[@RobertojavierSilvaharth-ub3pz]

Krypto ls an appropriet name for such a shady business. Who would want to put hard earned real wealth into such a seedy investment...? Nah, scam!!

[@jal051]

Paul: Coffeezilla is defaming me. LegalEagle: Hold on while I amplify Coffeezilla's claim.

[@paulmaartin]

A slapp is certainly going to help his reputation.

[@Xamry]

I know right 👏🏽 😂

[@garethkalum8297]

​@@paulmaartin I'm probably being stupid, but who's reputation is it going to affect and how?

[@DohPixelheart]

@@garethkalum8297 i think there's a term for this called the streisand effect, but it's pretty common with how when you try to silence a topic, it only makes people want to look into it more and stuff. it's based off a real event where someone kept trying to take photos of their mansion off the internet and in the end, only brought more eyes on it. the irony is that in trying to silence or forbid people from finding out, you end up having more people find out, like me who never even knew this existed until i looked into it. Logan is not gonna help his reputation if he thinks trying to silence people will make himself seem better. Guess you can also say Jimmy didn't learn from logan's mistakes, but they're friends so it sounds about right. no honor in criminals

[@Trihard_From_France]

logan paul need to learn all the intricacies around scamming kids, but damn mr.beast might be a bad teacher actually

[@RM_VFX]

I'll never understand why so many people will simp for the kind of guy who probably would've bullied them in school.

[@enviritas9498]

Some of them want to use you. Some of them want to be used by you. Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused.

[@ApocalypseMoose]

Children or manchildren who grew up on Logan.

[@magikarp9718]

Because they want to BE him.

[@zero5xo]

​@@enviritas9498Crazy to think that song is 40yrs+ old. Still a banger

[@LispyJesus]

Why? That’s a very human reaction.

[@MakenzieToews]

First rule of investigative reporting: "If they try to sue you to shut you up, you're probably on to something."

[@darknesswithin2667]

On the other hand, people *do* also commit defamation for various personal, financial, and political interests, and lawsuits are the way to resolve those matters. See, for example, the various lawsuits by Dominion and other voting machine manufacturers against Fox News and the rest of the conservative spreaders of the Big Lie about the falsehoods spread about their machines.

[@Robstrap]

Terminally online comment

[@charn00h]

That's a Hbomberguy quote, actually

[@Pumbear]

~ Alex Jones

[@MowThatLawn]

@@charn00hYou sure the qoute isn‘t from Tommy Tallarico, his mother‘s very proud of that

[@huntercool2232]

Logan: “You’ve turned my fans against me!” Coffeezilla: “You have done that yourself.”

[@roarv]

"I hate youu!" Cryptozoo Wars: Revenge Of The Zilla

[@noahgelbart5697]

Rise of the sith memes write themselves here

[@alexandermartinez4185]

😂😂

[@onewingedangelsephiroth1561]

Well, he is a tall blonde guy who breaks the rules and then feels entitled to move on without consequences 😂.

[@ArtGirl82]

The idea that either Paul brother is suing for defamation, when everyone who's ever heard of them already thinks they're both scumbags, is hilarious.

[@IIBeefII]

The Paul brothers will only be remembered for how long they managed to stay out of prison while doing as much bad for society as possible

[@emmadenton1826]

They are the PERFECT example of "just because it's legal doesn't mean it's moral". So many people think you need to be found criminally guilty by a judge in a courtroom before your actions can be called immoral. It's crazy! I just wanna shake people like that lol now I might just show them the Paul brothers 🤔

[@Slvt4Bread]

We have (so far): The recording, disrespect and monetization of a S*icide in a Foreign Country, multiple counts of animal abuse/mistreatment occasionally resulting in death of said animals, Scamming their followers out of actual real world money, Generally being called out for rigging boxing fights/never fighting proper or actual boxers, and more to come!

[@jesperburns]

@@Slvt4Bread The people claiming rigging are blind/themselves pathological liars and therefore think everyone is. It is explained by the second part of your sentence: they're fighting ancient/retired MMA fighters that never excelled at the striking part of that sport.

[@thejunkman]

​@@Slvt4Breadthat first thing is also what f-ed up KZbin monetization for everyone.

[@derekcoaker6579]

Once a 60 year old M.T. crushes these Grifters...nobody is really going to remember.

[@fergusjohnson8054]

Using the photo of him in the Japanese forest when talking about his "rehabilitated image" is just *chef's kiss*

[@brookeworley5140]

I caught that too 💯

[@Lukasaske]

You beat me to it. "Outstanding citizen" had me rolling. Edit: *Upstanding, my bad

[@XXMatt0040XX]

For anyone who's not aware, the first major event with the Paul brothers on KZbin was from a video in Aokigahara Forest, a location in Japan infamous for people un-aliving themselves. In 2017, Logan Paul filmed there... and it was a gross event. It disgusted me. I was 17 back then. I wanna emphasize, this was a FIRST. It was a MAJOR event. People need to talk about it more, because there are younger people who have NO IDEA about this.

[@clocked0]

​@@XXMatt0040XXWhat I almost despised more than the actual event was the people defending his actions after the fact, "He was young" or "He's changed" etc. The shit with coffeezilla proved I was right all along about his mental health apology tour being purely for PR and not because he gave a damn.

[@AlexPerez-tt9ru]

Someone made a video on how Logan has always been a bad person and showed that after a while since the forest video he was bragging about how he actually gained a lot more subscribers after the incident and he can't be touched. And even now in his lawsuit he's using the forest incident as if it's his learning moment and how he decided to be better. ​@@clocked0

[@FinalSentinel]

Worst part is that Logan Paul could just use the money he’s going to spend on his lawsuit to actually pay back his fans who got rugged with Cryptozoo. What a bad decision.

[@TheChzoronzon]

The guy is a narcissist, he would gouge his eyes out before "losing" that bad to a "nobody" (in his eyes) as Coffee

[@cb-9938]

That would be admitting he is at fault. And Logan is never at fault

[@RoflCannon6]

It’s fine. He’s still got more money he can be sued for

[@IntergalacticBrowny]

​@@cb-9938 It's just a severe and continuous lapse of his judgement

[@xavierb9061]

Paying back..acknowledges and sets logan up for lawsuit.

[@AceOfSevens]

"This thing I put my name on & heavily marketed is a scam, but it's defamation to claim I am responsible for this scam" is a real winning legal strategy, I bet.

[@itwasmedionysus]

Fox Entertainment would beg to differ

[@dmoney7784]

The ol ja rule defense😂.

[@tatata1543]

Logan Paul is a grifter. Well done to Coffeezilla for calling him out.

[@macsmith2013]

Logan Paul is many things, grifter probably being the most positive thing to say about him. Other descriptors are not to be uttered in polite company.

[@codeinho]

@@macsmith2013 what would be the worse examples in that case?

[@macsmith2013]

@@codeinho On top of my head, the "suicide forest controversy", his phony (non-)excuses in the aftermath, and him targeting children in his internet presence. Not that it matters much, as this reply probably won't post anyways.

[@khootjenkins6248]

Oi! You gonna get sue

[@taylorstumpp4005]

Glad Mr B is still keeping him front and center.

[@The_One_In_Black]

When I hear "Don't email my manager, email me" I hear "I'm doing something I want to hide from the people who handle my paperwork."

[@williamfalls]

There's some stuff where it can work. Like personal beef between two people. But when the subject is about specific plans that is clear Logan wouldn't know how to _manage_ himself... That's like, the whole point of a manager.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

@@williamfalls Personal issues can grow, fast, and if they are rubbing against your Professional Life...? Get someone else involved to mediate, as soon as possible, if just to protect yourself.

[@AnDr3w066]

The manager was also involved in the scam so 😅

[@matturner6890]

@@lostbutfreesoul Well spoken. Or typed, rather.

[@mallk238]

Especially when he makes it so hard to get a hold of him.

[@chrits3396]

Doesn't have money to pay to those he scammed, but has enough money to pay lawyers to sue Coffeezilla...

[@YearsOVDecay1]

If that's not proof that he's a huge POS.... instead of doing the right thing and just eating his "mistakes" he says "screw the people I screwed I'd rather be spiteful"

[@iverbrnstad791]

The bizarre thing is given how much money he's making on stuff like Prime he has to be risking negative PR worse than what it would cost to just do a full refund.

[@Mortal209]

@@iverbrnstad791 Fun fact: He and KSI both fully admitted that he has millions of dollars at his disposal ready to give to people but he instead uses his money to try and paint others in a bad light even though he has a legal obligation to pay people back. I wish the Feds gave a shit about him scamming people, admitting to it, and then trying to sue anyone who comes after him but nope. The Feds care more about people scamming the government than people like Logan literally scamming people (which is illegal) and then he does a whole lot of illegal shit behind the scenes of Prime (which is ass) while bragging about it on his podcasts.

[@Fehn_Fennec]

@@iverbrnstad791 I’ve never heard any good news with Logan Pauls name attached to it. Why they’d ever approach him for a Brand deal is beyond me.

[@Yankeesfan-zb8dz]

Oh he has money dont let him fool you haha, hes got that wwe money

[@qarnos]

For the record, I believe "Logal Paul" was a typo of "local Paul". Local Paul is a synonym for "village idiot". He's the kind of guy who think he's the smartest person in the room, without understanding that people are laughing *at* him, not *with* him.

[@UnlimitedUtopia]

frog in a well

[@BBallRambling]

The fact that Logan does crap like this all the time but big brands and celebrities still adore him is pretty sickening

[@ALgamer47]

Only way for the brands and other celebrities to stop supporting and adoring him is if THEIR wallet gets hurt from just association with him.

[@xaevius5319]

yeah like the guy said logan's not a "unworkable" brand yet and this all happened because youtube didn't ban the guy that showed a dead body.

[@ChuckwaldMartin]

@@xaevius5319 i think he deserved a temporary ban at that point, nothing permanent, and nothing he has done since then should get him banned (as far as I'm aware.) But it is shocking that he has enough popularity to be on WWE etc and get all these big opportunities when I don't know if anyone actually likes him? Like does he have fans?

[@xaevius5319]

@@ChuckwaldMartin "Like does he have fans?" then why are you even commenting bro? you clearly don't know anything surrounding the paul brothers and yet you wanna say something like "i think he deserved a temporary ban". they have been scamming people since and selling garbage energy drinks to their pre pubescent fanbases. if showing a dead body doesn't deserve a lifetime ban on a platform then idk what will.

[@roundabout468]

​@@ChuckwaldMartinI'd say scamming your massive audience of children is permaban worthy

[@Morbacounet]

Logan : I'm going to sue Coffeezilla. Every lawyer on KZbin : that's a stupid idea.

[@Humster]

*meanwhile Logan's Lawyers typing out the bill*

[@earthtaurus5515]

Logal Paul been sipping too much of that prime me thinks.

[@niqhtt]

@@earthtaurus5515 Narcissists have been given way too much spot light with the internet and social media :/

[@ashleybrooke2087]

So Coffeezilla retains a legal team with an established reputation where the case will give them more free publicity. They should send Paul a fruit basket for all the attention they'll be getting from this, none of which will probably be negative since all of that will be on Paul. Not to mention other channels that might benefit from commenting on the case. Good on Logan Paul for bringing people together once again.

[@glenmorrison8080]

Lawyers representing Paul: Money me. Money now. Me a money needing a lot now.

[@samanthawoods8000]

As an attorney, allow me to translate this comment from Mr. Bankston. Comment: "My partner Bill Ogden and I have agreed to represent Coffeezilla in this very exciting suit." Translation: "We are going to mop the floor with Logan Paul. The best possible defense is to prove that Logan Paul is a scammer, so that's what we're going to do -- in open court, where reporters can hear every single detail. We're especially excited about discovery, because, let's be honest, we might uncover enough evidence for criminal charges to be filed."

[@novalinnhe]

Lol!!

[@kelly4187]

That final point is why I feel for many public interest cases like this, there should be no option to settle out of court. Every document, every email, every communication, needs to be public record so that scams can be identified, analysed and countered. Settling is far too often used to cover up wrongdoing, and if I had any legal authority I'd have it that any and all documents raised in say discovery would also be public record immediately for the same societal benefit. Imagine the effect of companies thinking "no we can't do this shady thing as if anyone sues us at all, it'll all go public"

[@Noobgamer0325]

He said this is their first time defending defamation. Such a large deviation from their norm is very telling. Logan is cooked.

[@amazoniancustodian]

@@kelly4187you could have 3/5 of the country and its senators vote on it, sadly it would never get enacted due to lobbying.

[@timseguine2]

Yeah, it really goes to Devin's comment about not filing frivolous suits. Not only because it is unethical, but because it can also work counter to your own self interest. It is highly probable that if this was in fact an intentional scam, then documentation of Logan Paul's intent could come to light during discovery.

[@inkdollz1]

Man that is solid linking Coffee’s Patreon. Good man.

[@GeoStreber]

This lawsuit is so dead, Logan Paul filmed it.

[@tomskih203]

Oh damn 😂😂😂

[@HowToChangeName]

But its not purple

[@tinkrls3r]

Lol

[@appo9357]

I understood that reference. - Steve Rogers

[@sushreeshashwata]

A+ reference

[@richardmillhousenixon]

Devin saying "wanna dance" within the first like 10 seconds _knowing_ that other popular figures (like Illuminaughti) have shot themselves in the foot trying to go after Devin is an absolutue power move.

[@justahugenerd1278]

I feel like it should be common sense not to try and sue a lawyer for dumb reasons but guess not, no wonder lawyers are so rich lmfao

[@AsianHazza09]

a lawyer saying "wanna dance" is incredibly threatening 😂

[@yannick7049]

To be fair, Illuminaughtii's reputation went down the train because of the fallout of her attempt at drama with LegalEagle, not as a direct consequence of it, and she's making her victims lives still a living hell.

[@DoubleMcZombie]

The edit with him holding the rose during the "wanna dance" line made me almost lose my coffee

[@eddyblackmore4188]

​@@AsianHazza09 Depends on the lawyer. Matt Murdock, very threatening. The old dude from The Aristocats, not so much. 😂

[@mattsmith5704]

Having a lawyer gleefully ask “you wanna dance?” Oddly terrifying

[@bensonboys6609]

Well said! 😂

[@Juju2927]

This has the same tone as someone replying "Promise ? :D" when being threaten of Legal actions.

[@Noneya409]

What time stamp is that? I think I missed it.

[@UnrelatedAntonym]

🧑‍⚖️⚖️🕺

[@ShhTime]

​@@Noneya4090:00 to 0:09

[@CREDLACE]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Logal lost the case, was forced to pay the 18 million of Cryptozoo damages AND also had to pay Coffee 10 million for x y or z, Coffee could use that for the studio! And have a 20 million dollar studio.

[@ryanbarthel5352]

Except he could just close the LLC and pay nothing any time he wants.

[@CREDLACE]

​@@ryanbarthel5352 Honestly, I do not believe Logal is gonna go under for 28 million, but It would be pretty darn good if he bled some money.

[@bluehorseshoe23]

20 years ago the sentence “did you see legal eagle’s video about coffeezilla’s cryptozoo lawsuit?” would land you in an insane asylum.

[@Diggler569]

20 years? Try 2016

[@LegalEagle]

Curtains for Zoosha?

[@bluehorseshoe23]

@@LegalEagleI had to google that. Exactly!

[@wanderer_808]

​@@LegalEagle 😭 LMAOO

[@mapleunix1]

​@@LegalEagle I also had to Google this and it has me in stitches 😂 I'm only 30 and also feel like an old

[@listenatwork99]

The joke of a person who scammed his gullible followers multiple times is upset that Coffeezilla called out for scamming. This is after he said he wouldn't sue. I have the popcorn ready for discovery. You know Coffee's lawyers are gonna uncover all kinds of dirt on him.

[@doomdrake123]

Uncover? The only thing his lawyer have to do is post his photo from Japan and say "Behold. Dirt." I have never believed his supposed learned lessons from that fiasco.

[@killapicklepiratepanda7373]

Let's go can't wait to see how this goes

[@Towkeeyoh]

Don’t need. Coffee’s already got stacks of it.

[@CountryAndProud]

​@@Towkeeyoh.... oh he already knows everything? Why learn anything new, he already knows it all.. why question if you know everything when you obviously do.

[@w花b]

​@@doomdrake123 there's no lesson to learn when you're a psychopath

[@Basstasticification]

I love how the pitch for the NFT game was "it'll be kids first taste of... ... gambling"

[@lambentlamprey]

Definitely a fine upstanding gentlemen, that Logan Paul. 🤦‍♀

[@deadturret4049]

Get em hooked while theyre young and you'll have --an addict-- a customer for life

[@Ace_Maus]

even worse is the fact that it's not, Roblox is their first taste 💀

[@iv2sab512]

It'll be kids first taste of getting scammed; it'll be educational.

[@devranyilmaz9806]

@@iv2sab512we used to have Runescape for that.

[@spaceducc3471]

This is gonna be that whole whats-their-name-vs.-H3H3 case all over again. "What do you MEAN people have the right to say things about me, a public figure?"

[@3ftninja132]

Coffeezilla: *Massive amount of evidence that Cryptozoo is a scam* Logan Paul: Nuh-uh!! *Lawsuit*

[@ARTSONICFAN990]

The narrator after Logan Paul realized that Coffeezilla has more than plenty of enough evidence for him to win the lawsuit: It was at this moment that he know... He f...ed up!

[@theweirdo61]

You forgot his other excuse Logal: It was everyone else's fault, even though I hired them all.

[@boxhead6177]

I find it funny he is using Coffeezilla's own investigation and videos in his case against his business partners. Would be super awkward if Coffeezilla is called into testify his own findings, while being sued by the same man. or Logan's evidence is thrown out, cause he has personally and publicly refutted everything Coffeezilla said.

[@mariaking9802]

​@@ARTSONICFAN990Narrator: but Logan would not refund the people their money

[@boxhead6177]

@@theweirdo61 Its the modern who dunnit... its not the butler anymore... its always the third-party "contractor" Anytime a business messes up its always a contractor, give it two days and Crowdstrike will be telling us "A contractor" did it.

[@adamsfusion]

Suing an investigative reporter is generally a good way to tell the world you're guilty of everything they've said and a whole lot more they haven't found yet.

[@michaelblacktree]

Yeah, it's like flinging poop at a fan, on high speed, aimed directly at you.

[@unlimited9004]

Absolutely true in many cases

[@NoName-lq6vw]

As long as they're a reputable reporter, yes. Some reporters spend their who careers just lying or misrepresenting things. NY post does this constantly, as an example

[@JohnYoo39]

​@NoName-lq6vw then you show how shit they are at their job by exposing them for free.

[@r3dr4te963]

Also, Logan only make people remember about Cryptozoo this way. If he just keep quiet (like scammers usually do) most people would forget and move on.

[@Abedeuss]

So first he called Coffeezilla out because he attacked him, then said Coffeezilla is a good journalist who does good work, and NOW he's suing him after all because Coffee is not gonna forget about his scams?

[@Tarodan]

Can't forget him using Coffee's investigation results as evidence in his own lawsuit.

[@magicball3201]

​@@TarodanI mean, one way or another that would end up as evidence in the lawsuit. Preemptively strawmanning the defense's argument is his best bet to win. Not that it will, but it's not the worst idea here

[@OpalLeigh-il8yj]

Coffee is RELENTLESS when fighting for victims of scams- which is why we love him really.

[@-ZH]

⁠@@magicball3201 Except in this case, he is using coffee’s investigation to support his own points. So that’s slightly different.

[@pacmonster066]

Paul is suing simply for petty revenge. Now that Paul is flush with Prime money he doesn't give a shit about his online reputation. Something he did care a little bit about before then when his main form of income was his online audience. Paul is going to make this lawsuit happen as slowly as he can possibly make it to draw as much legal costs out of Coffeezilla as he can and then he'll drop the suit.

[@thomas9074]

just watched coffeezilla’s newest video on this, shocker, logan paul hasn’t changed

[@itsraw9537]

'I'm gonna say some mean things about you. You wanna dance?' is probably the hardest lines I had ever heard from a lawyer outside Suits 🥶

[@ShatteredQvartz]

Devin knows he's gonna win no matter what

[@JeanMarceaux]

A variation on Dan Olson's "I'm gonna say some unkind things, because facts on display are prima facie unkind"

[@xceedsilva]

@@A0chewy Like you?

[@typacsk]

@@xceedsilva The comment's gone, did they say something funny?

[@AntCritter]

Terrific image (in the video) to accompany that statement. 😄

[@BaobhanloreArt]

I love how they've just given up on modest titles and are fully just saying "this is dumb".

[@lw8882]

They do it when they know they could fight it in court.

[@fssstyuniaf]

​@lw8882 when a legal team have literally called logan a POS in the thubmnail they must feel pretty confident 😂

[@sara-name-unavailable]

as they should!

[@carlwheezer623]

@@fssstyuniafhave you seen the scams? He is a POS that’s prove-able in court 😂😂

[@shadow_td]

​@@lw8882not just fight it but win in a landslide😂 its especially easily when logan praised coffee for calling him out😂

[@alexaustin6961]

As a software dev myself, someone being able to flee and "hold the source code hostage" is INSANE?? There is no way the team wasn't using some sort of source/version control, and if they weren't that is almost crazier than someone holding it hostage. Not a single other person on the team had their own copy of the source code??

[@popcornsodamachine6121]

I was thinking the same thing. Someone whoever is developing this game doesn't know how to use Git? Did they not have working code before this developer fled or whatever? Could they not replicate whatever changes he took with his local device? Did this dev had ALL the source code in his local machine, and it was inaccessible to EVERYONE else in the team?

[@Triggernlfrl]

A simple game like this can be made by every game dev in a short time. No sourcecode needed.

[@iocat]

@@Triggernlfrl Um... do you know what source code is?

[@tonas3843]

@@Triggernlfrl I'm not sure if this is satire, but I don't think either statements you said are true. The first one can't be verified cause we never saw the game. But you know every game (digitally) has a source code right? Even if you code using so-called "no coding required" things like visual blocks, they still compile to code? By definition anything that can be run on a digital device has computer code

[@alexaustin6961]

@@Triggernlfrl I'm assuming you meant source control since every program has source code in some form or another, but no matter how small or easy the standard software practice is to use source/version control regardless of team size or complexity of the project. Any product like this should have some form of release vs development versions, and that is another use case of source/version control. If the dev(s) of this game did not use source control that would astound me. There are a number of ways in which a malicious dev could actually get away "stealing the source code" if acting alone: 1. They have their own version of the source, and the one they present to Logan and his team is fake. This would make Logan think he has access to the source when it is just bogus. 2. Keep the source to themselves without ever actually showing or giving Logan access to it. 3. Host the source code as normal and give Logan access, then take it down and ask for ransom. If they attempt #3, then Logan can reach out to whatever site was hosting the repository (GitHub, Bitbucket etc) and ask them to give him an archived version of it. This has happened before and is not impossible to recover from. If they attempt #2, then this is just malpractice and poor management from Logan and his team, as this should have been a red flag from the beginning. Especially if the dev is just some random guy. If they attempt #1, this would be the easiest one to get away with. Everything would look good from Logan's POV until the dev drops the axe. However, Logan would still bear some responsibility as he should have been building and testing the source on his end to ensure that things were still working smoothly and progress was being made. This is not universally done, but normally actual software consulting firms are contracted out, and they are legally accountable and are also not likely to rug pull you without a legally viable reason, and even then they would do some form of compensation that would have been agreed upon in the contract. If Logan just sourced some sketchy dudes to get this done AND didn't due his due diligence AND had investors money on the line he definitely has some responsibility there. Still this is mostly conjecture, and there could be a real reason that Logan is totally a victim here, but I find it unlikely that he bears no fault.

[@Dj.MODÆO]

Logan is the type of narcissist to send $5.8 million defending his scummy actions than spend $1.8 million in reparations to victims to make things right. I really wish a couple of good KZbin lawyers like yourself would help to represent coffeezilla. Having an entire team of attorneys would help coffee crush Logan in court and Logan would think twice before pulling this crap again. It would make great content for your channel if nothing else and I’m sick of scammers suing people for exposing them because they know the person can’t afford to fight them.

[@mr.skeleton3190]

No one is a "victim" in this situation.

[@theunknowman12]

​@@mr.skeleton3190 the people who logan scammed and coffezilla are the victim

[@guns1inger]

I watched Coffeezilla's original videos, and I can assure Logan Paul that they did not make me think any less of him. There was no lower point to reach.

[@healthycathy9782]

We’re probably not his core target audience. Logan must be dealing with parents finally search his name before buying his scams and finding Coffeezilla’s videos. 😂

[@TechBirb]

My opinion of Logan paul was already at bedrock, but coffeezilla brought me a bedrock breaker.

[@HansLasser]

​@@TechBirb When hitting rock bottom, reach for pickaxe and shovel 😂

[@oohhboy-funhouse]

There is always lower. He hasn't been convicted of a crime. I would not be surprised if he has a body count from people driven to despair by his scams.

[@guns1inger]

@@oohhboy-funhouse even conviction couldn't make me think less of him than i do now. Plus, I have zero faith in the US justice system to convict a rich white grifter of anything .......

[@lucanastral735]

People need to understand that this is not an attack on Coffeezilla, but an attack on all of us. Coffeezilla protected people with his videos and Logan wants to stop that for his own selfish gain. We need to fully support Coffeezilla here just like he has done for us so many times.

[@theBestElliephant]

That's what makes it a SLAPP suit and why creating federal anti-SLAPP laws are so important. It's great Coffee has a platform and can raise money to fight this frivolous suit; a lot of people aren't in his position but deserve the same protection for coming forward with things the public has a right to know about. People like Logal shouldn't be able to file strategic lawsuits to make their problems go away.

[@luvdady]

Well 😂 on one hand , if you invest into a commodity, you have a responsibility to understand that you have no guarantee of results. A bunch if people were fan boy pledging and others speculated.. Second, you can't use opinion of heresay as a fact. Why just because someone sues you doesn't mean anything is a ""scam""

[@theBestElliephant]

@@luvdady ...except that the people selling it were making guarantees and that's how they sold it. It wasn't just "a really fun game", it was "a really fun game _that makes you money_ ". People will accept responsibility for losing money when the people selling them investments stop making claims that they will make money. And you're 100% right, it's not a fact, it's Coffee's opinion that it's a scam, and that's why the lawsuit is a bad lawsuit. You can't sue someone for reputational damage over their opinion, it has to be for spreading information that they knew is factually false. It's not factually false to say it's his opinion it's a scam.

[@luvdady]

@theBestElliephant you got a disclosure of the contract? Yeah that's the problem

[@theBestElliephant]

@@luvdady What contract? A celebrity selling their own products is almost never gonna have a contract, and if they did then it'd be a red flag in of itself. That doesn't mean the way they're choosing to market things is kosher. If you actually knew what you thought you knew, you'd understand there are claims you cannot make when advertising unless you have certain paperwork in place or data to back up your claims. If this was _not_ just a game, Logal would need to do the paperwork for his "game" to be a registered security. If he didn't want to do that (and based on paperwork, he didn't) he can't say his game will make you money. He made documented claims without the paperwork to back those claims up, that seems like one of the most basic definitions of a scam to me. But hey, that's just a common legal opinion. Feel free to pull up with some actual facts. It's real easy to not be an unregistered security, but that makes it a lot harder to scam people. Keep digging that hole though, you're just proving how much this was, in my opinion, a scam.

[@RinaRetro]

*This Man is known in my country to be a Disgrace.* 🇯🇵 *Many still remember what he did. His apology was never recognized or taken seriously.*

[@bluegolisano7768]

minor side note, they also recorded themselves using a taser on a rat that had already become past tense, which _also_ got on youtube. meanwhile Rusty Cage gets pounded by the algo every other time they make something, yet yt still hosts a Rusty Cage topic channel for his music.

[@ElfInTheFlowers]

He has now moved to my island through a colonial tax evasion program. He is widely reviled there, has been disrespectful (not to the horrifying degree in Japan) and can’t really wander around on his own outside of his compound. Sending solidarity your way! 🇵🇷

[@_cloudface_]

​@@ElfInTheFlowers genuinely thankful you shared that. Why people support Logan and his endeavours is beyond me.

[@EinherjarV]

Good. he only apologized to save his image. Logan Paul has always been a terrible person.

[@siinxx7656]

​@@_cloudface_go to his latest video, scroll for hours in the comment section, every single user kissng his ass. Is baffling

[@Vienna3080]

Imagine being nearly a billionaire and not just coughing up $2 million to just set the record straight, greed is powerful

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

And he / Prime are now going after Lionel Messi because sports drinks look kind of similar to each other. I can't tell if Logan is on another planet or just has zero sense of his own public perception

[@benrockefeller6334]

It's closer to 20 million in total damages, but yeah, it's stupid.

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Logan Paul has a small problem: You have to have a good reputation in order to have your reputation spoiled.

[@ineptwizzard]

Ah but you see, Logal Paul is an upstanding citizen!

[@redhandsoftheviii588]

Logan Paul's reputation is on par with prince andrew

[@JL2670yo]

As much as you might hate to hear it, this just isn't true. He had made a huge comeback until cryptozoo, pretending that he had a bad reputation just cause you didn't like him is just wishful thinking, or something that's desperately easy to say in hindsight.

[@linkfreeman1998]

​@@redhandsoftheviii588lol, is thats the new nick that "alpha male" getting now?

[@aoki6332]

@@linkfreeman1998 No that the infamous British Prince Andrew Duke of York, that the joke they both have awful reputation and media love to clown on them.

[@scifino1]

I never expected to see a lawyer publicly call someone a "POS", but here we are.

[@agingerredhead9380]

I think he secretly wants logan to try a defamation suit against him, just to stretch his legal legs.

[@dangerbirb4981]

@@agingerredhead9380 Then we'd have to define what POS means. Person of substance? Panties on stupid? Purveyor of smiles?

[@explodedglue5509]

​@dangerbirb4981 I looked it up and it says point of sale but that isn't what they're trying to say about the suicide forest poster and scammer extraordinaire Logan Paul

[@dowfreak7]

@@dangerbirb4981 I don't think something as simple as that would fly. No sane judge would let you pretend that something that very clearly has a commonly understood meaning, which is used in the correct context, is instead some random other thing. A lot more likely that it's just "k, that's just an insult, let's move on and be civil now at least".

[@topspot4834]

And I never expected a 70 year old Hulk Hogan to rip his shirt off at a Republican National Convention, but here we are!

[@papasalvo]

I cannot imagine something more terrifying than a dude who owns his own lawfirm, makes videos every day about legal issues and calls himself "The legal eagle" challenging u to sue him over something frivolous that he's beyond confident he'd win in a court of law. That's like Mike Tyson walking up and asking u if u want to "spar"

[@YuzuruA]

Unless It Góes tô The supreme court

[@anviil1417]

​@@YuzuruAI can promise you Logan Paul wouldn't last long in the supreme court lol

[@dandotvid]

@@anviil1417 He won't last long against Tyson either.

[@dannythompson1948]

More like Mike Tyson cornering you in the locker room naked, but sure...

[@TheUberjammer]

Putin?

[@JoeyDieselComedy]

Logan Paul: I'm suing Coffeezilla for defamation of my character. *Going to a certain forest already defamed your character, but go off*

[@KyleDB150]

10:30 I'm just imagining a judge hearing "egg NFTs" and "zoo tokens" in the same sentence as "not a scam, your honor" 😂

[@enzovulkoor]

Considering how old judges are. They're probably going to think its about an actual zoo.

[@TheClownfight]

"even Gronk know that not real money" - Nikki glaser roasting Tom Brady

[@MarginalSC]

Or explaining Dink Doink

[@Sarah-re7cg]

LMAO

[@ryanbarthel5352]

Pretty sure you'll be hard pressed to find a judge that knows wtf an NFT is lol

[@Valyssi]

"look I know I stole $2000, but to make it right I will give you 200 of my own, hard earned, well deserved dollars. Terms may apply"

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Alas, this often happens. Think Class Action Lawsuits, where you often can get twenty bucks back for every thousand lost....

[@thorifyer]

And then don’t even give the 200 lol

[@ryanbarthel5352]

Except Logan didn't steal money, the programmers who approached him with the idea in the first place did and he's using his own money to pay a portion back. Does that make Logan the good guy? No, he's just a dumb hype man, but that doesn't make him himself a scammer. Bothe Coffee and Logan both have unreasonable egos

[@Wote89]

@@ryanbarthel5352 Logan isn't going to be your friend, dude. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[@ryanbarthel5352]

@@Wote89 Notice how I didn't say anything positive about Logan, yet you assume I'm somehow on his side. Everything in your head must be black and white, for or against. Must be simple having a child's mind.

[@jacobisbell9388]

We need a federal anti-SLAPP law, because it feels like every time a rich person gets offended they specifically choose a jurisdiction without one to sue in.

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

Sure, the rich, easily offended people in congress will get right on that

[@geordiejones5618]

Nation of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. Never assume otherwise.

[@ricky4673]

What happened to that opressor and opressed bs the left goes on about?

[@FerrariTeddy]

@@ricky4673 hmm I wonder if this is a bot or someone with brain damage.

[@ONomeManeiro]

​@@ricky4673what

[@vecraude]

Well with Mike Tyson saying he's gonna sue Jake Paul for backing out of the boxing match, this seems like a desperation attempt given primes slowly tanking in popularity.

[@srambrero]

jake paul doesnt have anything to do with prime, and logan has nothing to do with mike tyson

[@Crazy685]

Damn, as a fellow attorney, I got goosebumps from that intro "Im going to say mean things about you. Wanna dance?" Stone cold, sir. Subscribed.

[@stmsly]

logal paul is quaking

[@iesika7387]

It felt like when an old person in a martial arts movie makes the “come on” gesture.

[@emilybonner9030]

Hearing that man say the word discovery scared even me. Opposing counsel must be shitting themselves.

[@k80_]

You know it’s a bad case of slapp when a defense lawyer calls his defamation case “very exciting” lol

[@venetianjack1348]

Imagine the videos we get from LegalEagle in that feud lol

[@parker73724]

It's so weird to me how large channels like Mr. Beast still associate with Logan Paul. This dude should have been canceled years ago, if not sent to jail.

[@btarczy5067]

It’s unfortunate that being able to pull attention just with a name can keep someone like him relevant possibly for a lifetime. „Canceling“ rarely works if the profile is high enough and the (alleged) crimes aren’t perceived as too heinous.

[@legojedimasterplokoon2173]

Tbf the recent Mr. Beast video was recorded before the lawsuit

[@catsare2cute943]

@@legojedimasterplokoon2173 yea but mrbeast has said that logan is his friend in many of his videos , and even facetimed him in some vids randomly so they seem close. makes me think what kind of person jimmy must be behind closed doors to be friends with logan paul

[@robertmcabee8016]

It’s because Mr Beast will always do whatever will grow his channel. I guarantee he’d collaborate with Kanye if he had the chance

[@btarczy5067]

@@catsare2cute943 From what I’ve seen they both seem like vapid if business-savvy guys and they‘re both megastars as far as internet fame goes. At least there are some things to bond over, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Mr MrBeast is as terrible although I find his internet presence equally annoying to look at.

[@maddogtob]

You know you are in good hands, when your lawyer has an empire strikes back poster and a public enemy vinyl in the office.

[@ImpulseGenerator]

judge dredd comic and it’s perfect

[@JeanMarceaux]

Don't confuse it with Empire Strikes Back vinyl and public enemy poster (not only that would mean they're criminals wanted by the state, that would mean they collect funko pops, which is inexcusable)

[@maddogtob]

@@JeanMarceaux hey i know people that collect funko pops who arent criminals.

[@ImpulseGenerator]

@@maddogtob dont underestimate their ability to hide their true nature

[@maddogtob]

@@ImpulseGenerator roger that!

[@HARTTG]

Omg, now the Canadian’s Government accused Logan’s OTHER company as a FRAUD, he’s so done for. When the whole government accuses you of something, you know you f up. And he TRIED to silence Coffeezilla AGAIN!!

[@megameerkat2634]

I think it's the same lawsuit. Logan's just using the cryptozoo videos as the basis. Or at least the ones with coffee saying bout refined

[@3baxcb]

I'm surprised that Logan hasn't tried to rally the supposedly current official opposition on his side who would then paint him as some sort of victim of whatever government oppression that's supposedly being done on him. If you anything about that particular political party, then it would not be surprising if they become associated with the likes of Logan Paul or his brother Jake since they still haven't denounced Alex Jones' endorsement of their party leader.

[@KathyClysm]

The fact that coffee's lawyer is the Alex Jones destroyer makes this feel like a season finale. It's all coming together 😂

[@m_6866]

The slog of watching through years worth of seasons with bad arcs, time-skips, and filler, just to have the big-name characters show up in the finale with all their power-levels over 9000, except for the villain; It will be super-worth watching the outcome of both lawsuits. Too bad the Paul bros prey on young minds that don't care for legal battles and will ignore anything related to this because the Paul bros are the epitome of "successful" male influencer.

[@lmaolol9357]

​@@m_6866 Idk why is he even suing Steven. It's not like Logan actually ran out of audience members to scam, most of them probably don't care about cryptozoo.

[@janemiettinen5176]

Oh, I have my popcorn ready, let’s go!

[@KathyClysm]

@@m_6866 the one thing I've realised with perpetual man-child figures like the Pauls over the years is that their audience tends to outgrow them eventually, and there comes a time when the next young ones look at him and decide he's cringe. That's when they are truly over

[@Felix-kd8tn]

Y'all should check out Knowledge Fight if you like AJ getting factchecked

[@fitz8923]

Logan Paul: "I'll fight or sue anyone that calls me out!" LegalEagle: "bet."

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

When a lawyers tells you to 'come at me, bro', it's a good idea to stop and have a think.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

That Logan Paul is famous, rich and has a fan base is a damning indictment of us as a species.

[@freniisammii]

@@yawn74 bot? wtf does this have to do with the video?

[@Krugis]

​@@yawn74none of these people are why Logan Paul is famous. Give me some of what you're smoking there champ

[@OddWoz]

@@yawn74umm. What?

[@1aml3g3nd13]

@@yawn74so you’re against activism?

[@thelonleyUchiha1]

@@freniisammiinothing bro wants to bitch about one thing and find a way to do it no matter where he goes even if it dosnt make any sence and then Refuses to elaborate

[@Apophis1010]

The fact is Logan released a product that took customers money and didn't deliver what was promised. Its a textbook example of the overused word "grift". Logan is responsible

[@thefelicits]

Thank you for defending Coffeezilla on here. Shame on Mr Beast for platforming Logan in his recent video and allowing him to "squash beef" aka lay the PR groundwork for attacking Coffeezilla with impunity

[@jishan6992]

This is aging well because now little jimmy is the one now getting hit with accusations What a year lol

[@ck58npj72]

What are you talking about? Shame on Coffeezilla for not calling out Mr Beast!

[@thefelicits]

​​@@ck58npj72did he know about Mr Beast? Shame seems a little strong when they have no relationship and there is no evidence to suggest Coffeezilla investigated him

[@thefelicits]

​@@ck58npj72im talking about Mr Beast actively helping a scammer do PR to sweep his many scandals under the rug, what are YOU talking about lmao Coffeezilla can only handle so many lawsuits at once

[@xenons25]

@@ck58npj72 No, even before all the recent Mr Beast situation, he was well known to be chummy with Logan and would never miss a moment to promote him.

[@davidhall4043]

Putting Coffee's patreon in the description and pinned comment is a really classy move

[@Taragoola]

The old “I’m too incompetent and stupid to have known what I was doing” defense.

[@pumkin610]

Still gonna take the money though

[@Moritz19081980]

In German law there is a rule "Unwissenheit schützt vor Strafe nicht". It's "Ignorance is no excuse in law" in English. I don't know about the USA but in Germany it's actually a general rule in law.

[@asadtariq7455]

@@Moritz19081980it’s the same in the U.S. Something like “ignorance of the law is no defense.”

[@emilianopapagna9616]

​@@Moritz19081980same in Italy "la legge non ammette ignoranza": law doesn't recognize ignorance

[@pteroid11]

He should ask the plaintiff’s lawyer how that went for the last big name he sued…

[@supayambaek]

Attempts of lawsuit should be a badge of honor for coffeezilla's line of work.

[@hahu9088]

It makes me really happy to know that logan paul was probably furious every time coffeezilla reminded him that he's a scammer. You can see the fire behind his eyes in his videos. Maybe he even punched a wall out of anger. Maybe hurt his hand. He seems like the type of guy

[@doomerdog1712]

There was another legal youtuber who reviewed the case (Legal Mindset iirc) and as he was reading through Logan's complaints, he was like, 'huh, it sounds like Logan just wanted this guy to like him' which was really funny to me

[@janissary101]

Can't rule out roid rage...

[@falkor6615]

He totally seems that sort of guy

[@Zen-zt4uk]

he couldn't even be injured normally lol, like one time this mf recorded himself 'discovering' his holographic Charizard was fake or smth? (Idk, it happened a while ago), but the kid then proceeds to 'get mad' and wrap his hand with a dinner cloth and punch a window like hes outta rage or smth. He's just so fake lol.

[@Nekomosh004]

he definitely punched some walls, might've punched more because of this video 😆

[@madalynnmccarron4590]

"you wanna dance?" when you're the legal reaper that is one hell of a line

[@beckstheimpatient4135]

It was intimidating and sexy. Logan should be shaking in his boots 🤣

[@saitamagotchi44]

It's pretty much a "go ahead punk, make my day" but with a law degree rather than a magnum.

[@ninja_tony]

LegalReaper would be a hell of a username, if it’s not already taken 😂

[@oohhboy-funhouse]

It would be amazing if Logan took the bait.

[@nitehawk86]

@@beckstheimpatient4135 I suspect he is too stupid to be afraid. His lawyer should be concerned that he isnt gonna get paid.

[@fivefootten]

If Coffee asks for donations to fight this POS, I will happily give. He thinks he is punching down, but the amount of support that Coffee has will far outstrip this overgrown bully.

[@joohn4940]

he hasnt asked for money so far, but you can donate to his patreon if you would really like to help

[@penat7402]

He has insurance for it which I think pays for the lawsuit entirely so he’s not losing any money

[@iTsEfFiNsTePhh]

Plus dude makes really good money- never understood why well off people ask for regular people's support who can barely afford to live ain't a good look.

[@twigs4611]

@@penat7402insurance rarely fully covers anything

[@McBlazington]

He has a 10 million dollar studio. He has assets if he needs to get a loan. (This is a joke)

[@DuViPo]

Can you make a video about Coffeezilla's follow-up video that his insurance won't cover the costs of this defamation lawsuit?

[@billclinton1235]

That's just plain old insurance being a legal scam.

[@tylerduncanson2661]

I would love if a valid defense to a lawsuit like this would be “your reputation is already garbage, I can’t have made it worse”.

[@videogamehelper13]

The truth is technically a defense 😅

[@stunlord]

this is actually a valid defense in court, and it is used

[@vxicepickxv]

There is a former baseball player who has lost definition cases on the grounds that his reputation cannot be tarnished further.

[@Gulyus]

As was stated, this is ACTUALLY a defense - Lenny Dykstra had this happen to him, he claimed a former teammate / current broadcaster defamed him by claiming Dykstra had yelled racial slurs at a pitcher before the pitcher tok the mound. Dykstra's terrible reputation was even made worse *by himself* in his autobiography, where he claimed to be willing to do even illegal things to help his team win. He was impossible to defame, in other words.

[@NoriMori1992]

That was actually used with Nathan Leopold of the infamous Leopold and Loeb murder case: "In 1959, Leopold sought to block production of the film version of _Compulsion_ on the grounds that Levin's book had invaded his privacy, defamed him, profited from his life story and 'intermingled fact and fiction to such an extent that they were indistinguishable.' Eventually, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled against him, holding that Leopold, as the confessed perpetrator of the 'crime of the century,' could not reasonably argue that any book had injured his reputation."

[@FinalDragoon63]

That "You wanna dance" was the MOST TERRIFYING 'setting the gun on the table' I've ever heard.

[@partlycloudy7707]

A lawyer saying "you wanna dance" is never a good thing

[@stevehall364]

​@@partlycloudy7707That's lawyer speak for "I have you absolutely dead to rights and if you push this I will destroy your entire life"

[@Nick-rs5if]

Logan is gonna need to practice on his dance moves. This is a tango I do wanna see play out in court! 😂

[@mariaparabello6344]

US really needs a federal anti slapp law. The abuse of the legal system to silence critics is getting ridiculous 😠

[@TravisHi_YT]

It's designed to be like that. Working as intended.

[@gamechip06]

Hey at least Zilla is in Texas so that should help

[@jennifercriswell198]

Yup. Look at how Illuminatii is using lawsuits against her former friends to drain them- Oz, another much smaller KZbinr- literally lost his house, and his partner miscarried during all the immense stress of going broke and a foreclosure because Illuminatii just keeps using the legal system for pure spite because she can. It's disgusting. Oz had to crowdfund money for a lawyer, but she has way more money so she can keep going while he can't. Oz isn't the only one, either. She tried to go after Cruel World Happy Mind while she was dealing with a high-risk pregnancy, too. She's not just another grifter. She's a grifter like Paul but spiteful AF, and it sounds like he is, too. They'd make a good couple, just suing everyone who upsets them. Cut them off in traffic by accident? Lawsuit! Don't bring them thier burgers at McDonald's drive through fast enough? Lawsuit! Rumple the bag of thier Doordash order? Lawsuit!

[@tiernanmcveigh4102]

​@@gamechip06 I'm not from America is there different laws in Texas that helps?

[@jackthorndyke3390]

@@TravisHi_YT But it doesn't have to be. Even if some laws were designed to protect corporations and wealthy individuals from rightful criticism, which isn't necessarily the true intention but is definitely the effect they've had, there's no reason those laws can't be changed. I assume you're not actually saying anti-slapp laws are bad, right?

[@bunniey3290]

Update: he (coffeezilla) said something publicly

[@808Gahd]

having an individual that basically lives, eats and breaths the legal system ask you if you tryna dance is ridiculously terrifying😂😂

[@pietrolocatelli33]

I thought so too. It felt like he was the main character with max-level shit challenging the first boss of the game in easy mode

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

Logan is trying to punch down. Someone who is more qualified than he is shows up. Wanna be the big guy now, Logan?

[@ParakeetDSi]

The photo made me laugh tho

[@SynchroScore]

@@ParakeetDSi Could be any sort of dancing, but flamenco seems to be the right choice here.

[@HeckYep]

While studying journalism we learned about a precedent where particularly infamous celebrities with bad enough reputations often can't sue for libel due to the reputation being too bad at the start to prove any "damages" in changes to public perception. This seems like a textbook example.

[@Corrael]

So I’m not a lawyer (though I take the bar in just over a week!) but what you’re talking about are so-called “defamation-proof” plaintiffs, where the individual’s reputation is so bad they could not possibly claim any damages. I don’t know how this works in Texas, but because Logan Paul is claiming per se damages for libel, he likely wouldn’t need to prove up damages and the defamation-proof argument wouldn’t need to come in. I’d still argue it in the alternative if I were Coffeezilla’s attorney, but that will come after what is probably a long series of waivable defenses. Lack of personal and subject matter jurisdiction and failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted are the obvious choices here.

[@paulf.3678]

A General Rule of thumb is: If anything requires little to no work and still can make you good money is probably fake That‘s just the rule of equivalent exchange

[@andyk5768]

And if it actually was an effortless way to make money, they wouldn't be advertising it.

[@oscarheinrich5519]

Unless you're already rich, cause that's how it's designed

[@defaulted9485]

When gold rush, sell shovels. If someone is promoting gold rush then good chance they sell shovels.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

​@@oscarheinrich5519 well yeah, because rich people can literally put a lot of money instead of a lot of work into their projects.

[@daviniusb6798]

@@oscarheinrich5519 If it's easy, not criminal and you don't have rich friends, then it's a scam. If it's easy, criminal and you do have rich friends, it's called essential work for the good of our nation.

[@Justin-cn3qu]

Thanks for supporting coffeezilla by covering this.

[@ben5515]

Honestly Coffee Has far far more grounds to sue Logan for libel than the other way around. Openly lying about not being reached out too first and saying he didn't block him along with essentially sicking his fans onto coffee.

[@SerendipityChild]

Suing can be horrendously expensive. It's a playground where the richest kid usually gets the best outcome

[@lilitulee]

​@@SerendipityChildid help foot the bill if it meant giving coffee the means to sue the life outta him 😂

[@sylverscale]

Pun not intended

[@gordowg1wg145]

TRUTH! A counter case would be interesting...

[@smithynoir9980]

​@@lilitulee Same. Coffee's fans aren't gonna just accept this. Personally, I hope someone deals with Logan extra-legally as all scammers deserve.

[@jordan7077]

Anybody remember him driving a jeep on a protected beach (sea turtle nests/eggs) and destroying it for a 30 second video, Peperidge farm remembers

[@Peanutdenver]

The dude is so slimey and gives off mega-church pastor vibes....if it weren't for 13 year olds his career would be dead already. At least Prime is dying on the vine which is some consolation.

[@bhsnipes]

​@@PeanutdenverPrime is disgusting garbage. Overpriced as hell. I can get a case of similar Costco brand sports drink for like $12 and lasts me almost a month.

[@Peanutdenver]

@@bhsnipes I've never tried it, but have heard a lot of what you're saying...it's shite.

[@karenz3853]

I hated this dude after watching like three of his videos as an 8 year old and everything I’ve heard about him since makes him worse

[@NotFluplaxio]

Did not know about that, but his list of misdeeds seems never ending.

[@jonnypeters0]

I bet Coffeezilla is the best client that lawyer has ever had. Gathering facts is literally his profession.

[@SynchroScore]

Spelling your client's name incorrectly in a message to the defendant is some Lionel Hutz behavior.

[@AHersheyHere]

Logan, who has a penchant for hiring criminals, listened to his lawyer that he "has a strong case" and now will have to pay to get a legal drumming.

[@orijimi]

drubbing?

[@Catman_CM]

Both work. "Getting beat like a drum" is a thing

[@merphul]

Lawyer gets paid either way. His lawyers might be lacking in ethics and professionalism, but they won't be deficient in billable hours

[@wmandthings]

Think we've found an Eggcorn

[@baja71688]

The funny thing about that is, if he's been found to hire criminals, and surrounds himself with them... What are the chances his "Team" isn't/hasn't been using him/scamming him this whole time and are secretly scared of that being uncovered by this whole thing...

[@KintokiSan]

"the accusation harms his reputation" Ahahahahaha, his WHAT?! There's nothing to harm!

[@WolfODonnelfan]

Right? His entire reputation is that he is a low-life greedy scammer and generally awful person. I fail to see how telling people that a scammer that is actively scamming everyone around himself, is supposed to harm his 'reputation'. By that same logic, you can sue people for defamation if someone tells the world that you're a murderer, because it makes it harder for you as a professional murderer to actively kill people.

[@darklighter66]

As Tyrion stated. I am not doubting your reputation I am denying its existence.

[@ferociousfeind8538]

Real legal response, defamation requires a dozen things to be true, including "harmful things were said about the defendant" and "the harmful things said were false" and "the defendant lost things (money, opportunities) due to harm to their reputation as a direct result of these harmful, untruthful things" I am not a lawyer so look into this more but this is how I understand defamation

[@KintokiSan]

@@ferociousfeind8538 Not a lawyer either and even I know that it's worse: You have to prove malice. In other words they defamed you intentionally and knowing that their claims were indeed false. Which is really damn hard to prove. Not sure what this had to do with my original point though. We're talking about the guy who takes pictures of himself posing with dead bodies for fun and clicks.

[@ferociousfeind8538]

@@KintokiSan oh, I just mean the third point [that I mentioned], being that Mr. Paul indeed has to prove he had a reputation to lose to begin with, just on top of everything else

[@Olivershoesoff]

In other countries, if the one who brought the suit loses, they have to pay the legal fees for the other party.

[@edwardriley7339]

not 100% depends on the country and level of court

[@elizabethsohler6516]

I think that's true in the US also. It might vary by state. Maybe a lawyer will tell us.

[@thisiscait]

​@@edwardriley7339 that's why they said in other countries without specifying

[@kiraina25]

That's a motion that can be brought, but Coffee's counsel would need to make the case that the plaintiffs' case was somehow vexatious and/or frivolous generally. (This is why anti-SLAPP laws exist, to allow for early defusal and automatic award of attorney's fees.)

[@healthycathy9782]

@@edwardriley7339that’s why the person said in “other countries” and not a specific country that does what you said. His statement made yours moot because he is not talking about a country that doesn’t do that what his statement specifies.

[@connorfalcon7080]

Crazy that if you sue someone and lose that lawsuit that you are not required to pay their legal fees. It would really make people think twice before suing for insane shit.

[@jmike2039]

My favorite logan Paul wrestling finishing move is the CRYPTOCRUSHER. Where Logan steals his opponents wallet mid-match, investing their money into NFT and cryptoscams, bankrupting them into submission.

[@pete6891]

OUTTA NOWHERE!!!

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

A scammer is someone who takes millions from his fans when his product isn't even finished and then whines about being called a scammer.

[@aarondavis8943]

Leave Logal Paul alone! He's never hurt ANYONE. He's completely innocent.

[@Lunabyes]

@@aarondavis8943 What about the family of the deceased man he filmed and posted online?

[@Oz-gv5fz]

@@aarondavis8943 He hurt me, and my wallet..

[@robertruschak7083]

100%

[@asdfghyter]

lol, that’s a joke right?

[@shiredude87]

If that Judge has any sense they'll dismiss the case immediately and fine LP for wasting the courts time

[@basillah7650]

Better to let it happen then logon poor gets jail time and all assets taken will have prime sponsorship cancelled since they do not want someone in jail being a sponsor

[@myopiniondoesntmatter7068]

it's a civil case. no jail

[@TheZombieSaints]

Yep, sanctions for him and his lawyer

[@jonathandpg6115]

@@basillah7650I hope that coffee loses and that he will owe paul money. That would be a much better result

[@misslittledove]

Having an Empire Strikes Back poster hung up next to your law degree is next level badassery.

[@AspenForsythia]

Seeing a lawyer that happy about defending a case is genuinely terrifying

[@jishan6992]

Not terrifying it gives me hope that logan will get his ass handed to him on the court seeing that this lawyer is super passionate and know who he is defending

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

It's pretty open and shut

[@erikopnemer]

"You're what we call a 'Grenada'."

[@JohnSmith-qy1wm]

Unfortunately the point isn't to win. It's to silence and cause financial harm. Lawyers cost money. Paul has a shit load more of it and will drain a lot of Coffeezilla's regardless of how open-shut it is. This is why we need federal anti-SLAPP laws and Paul is absolutely a POS

[@MisterFister612]

Nah because he knows its an Easy Win. Plus When the do win the Suite I think he should Advocate a Counter Suite Violating his first Amendment rights and Frivolous Lawsuit.

[@merphul]

Failing to make money off of a scam does not mean you didn't run a scam. That just means you're not a great scammer. Or in this case you got scammed first by the scammers you brought on as partners before you got a chance to harvest your victims. The simple fact that they allowed the tokens and coins to be minted and traded WAAAAAY ahead of there being anything near a functional game is more than enough to show that this was always, first, and foremost about making money.

[@Catman_CM]

All good points. Logan Paul did make money, though, so he can't use this particular excuse :P

[@maas1208]

Scammer-ception

[@tripolarmdisorder7696]

I just love it when Devin literally looks at the camera and dares someone to play the F*ck Around and Find Out game against an actual Lawyer.

[@caolanochearnaigh9804]

Illuminaughti learned that the hard way...

[@CageFreeLowFatSugarFreeRange]

Does no on remember when the Paul brothers literally told their entire audience to go to a loot box website and spend real money? No? Ok

[@TheRogueWolf]

Any time Logan Paul says "trust me", anyone within earshot should reflexively check to make sure they still have their wallet.

[@agalerex]

and, also, should assume anything that precedes it and follows it is a bald faced lie

[@oohhboy-funhouse]

I would check if he walked within 50 metres of me.

[@SineN0mine3]

Probably lock the gates to your ancestral burial grounds to be safe.

[@jasonpatterson8091]

Shocking that a "get rich quick by doing nothing" system is somehow flawed.

[@kratek56]

because ppl are too stupid to realize that he is not speaking of the gain of others but is own. "You are my get rich quick plan"

[@shiraz1736]

😂

[@EvHervey]

"Wanna dance?" Made me laugh in the first 10 SECONDS! Needed this, thanks dude!

[@jackgwynn2016]

The vid got my thumbs up that vwry moment

[@jeaniebird999]

The DAYYYYAMMMMM meme from the Friday movie instantly went through my head.

[@jeaniebird999]

​@@jackgwynn2016 Samesies

[@procrastinathor4594]

That invitation to dance at the beggining is gold :D

[@commGG]

TL;DR: There are a lot of comments saying "How did this company run away with the code for this awesome game? Poor Logan... Why couldn't they just steal a copy??"... Logan said "we're investing a million dollars creating a game!", then had this software dev company burn half a million over many months, without paying them anything, and they justifiably pulled the plug and severed the relationship; Logan's company never deserved access to the code. I've been a corporate and large-contract software engineer for 25y, plus I watched all of CoffeeZilla's vids on this right after he released them, and the company did nothing inappropriate or out of the ordinary. They were contracted to build this game, but he wasn't paying them anything while they developed it---no money up-front either---and there were only promises of money coming soon, so OF COURSE in that case a dev is going to keep their source code GIT repos private, and the client wouldn't have any access to it until they pay for the time which was invested up until that point. The dev said they were spending approximately $60k/mo, iirc, and after many months (6-12? can't recall.) they just said that was enough and pulled out of it, because the promises of money being given to them never materialized and they were just bleeding money paying their devs internally. It was a very stupid decision by that developer to take a job without at least some payment per month or a retainer/partial up-front; that's very odd in our field, or only done for trusted longterm clients. So, basically, some of you are saying (naively I guess -- no offense meant) that "Why didn't they just have access to copies of the code so they could steal the work that this other company spent half a million dollars creating, without paying for it???" If they were getting paid for their time per month, to create code owned by the client, then yes the client would/should have immediate access to it -- but that wasn't the case here.

[@MrNicoJac]

That actually explains a lot! Thanks ^^

[@ferroussprigacademy8581]

Paragraph ahh stuff lol😂

[@JamesRobinson-z3c]

Paul: “That I’m a fraud and tried to Scam my audience. That’s patently false.” Yeah it is false…he didn’t try to scam his audience, he succeeded in scamming his audience.

[@smarre12]

Exactly right. He didn't try, he succeeded

[@FTZPLTC]

Love that "don't contact my manager, contact me" clip. Because of course, managers never pass on phone messages.

[@biphetaminecumbersome3431]

the fact tht coffezilla kept making videos while logan kept silencing him is an insane power move

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

It really upsets me that I see so many people around me struggling during the cost of living crisis - so many people where I live rely on food banks. Then I see someone like Logan Paul, a man who was rewarded for exploiting some's death, with millions of dollars. And he continues to exploit people with no repercussions.

[@Nixeu42]

I...don't think he was rewarded for that one. He managed to recover from it, but he took a pretty serious financial and personal hit from the Japan thing. He made his millions in spite of that, not because of it, as far as I can tell.

[@cshepard09]

@@Nixeu42 its the most notable thing hes ever done. when you are in this career path any publicity that doesnt end you, helps you.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

USA is a third world country

[@Nixeu42]

@@cshepard09 Only if you can avoid the "ending you" part. Which is easier said than done. And not all costs are monetary. It took him time and a lot of work to recover from that, and I suspect Logan went through a hell of a lot of stress over it. And the fact that people still hold it against him (rightfully so) is probably a sore point for him. I don't think it helps his ego much to have that be what he's most known for, whether or not it helps him make money. Logan seems a lot more focused on his image than his brother is.

[@ninja_tony]

@@Nixeu42that video only brought him even more notoriety, which led to more subscribers, and more income. Even if most people hated his guts for what he did, it still brought him even more attention, which for people like him is a net positive. Unfortunately.

[@xerpenta]

It's crazy to me that the losing side in a civil lawsuit is not covering for the costs of the winner. If you changed that one thing, the SLAPPs would go down by more than a half.

[@EMSpdx]

It's the whole point- to drain time and money from the target of the lawsuit. Logan Paul is is pos.

[@Yupppi]

It is odd to me, when in my country you read that in every news article about court cases. Rather rare to see both sides pay their own expenses.

[@JonReevesLA]

When you have a good anti-SLAPP law, that's the case, but as Devin says, the TCPA doesn't apply. Which is why they are going to try to get the case dismissed quickly ("on the pleadings" as the lawyer said).

[@hedgehog3180]

I'm pretty sure the losing side paying court expenses is just standard practice in general here in Denmark since it discourages frivolous law suits.

[@Tyranastrasza]

@@hedgehog3180 Yeah, but even if the losing side end up paying all expenses, this could take years, and most people don't have the cash reserve to afford that.

[@Trina_White]

The colorblind glasses scam alone make me despise him.

[@Stevethepirateyarr]

Wait. What? I missed this one.

[@DemiFairy]

​@@Stevethepirateyarr yeah if I remembered correctly he pretended to be colorblind in order to promote some glasses that "made you see color"

[@jamesp7760]

That and the forest 🙄

[@ardius9777]

@@DemiFairy I thought he was actually colorblind (the green-red type, not the severe kind), he just pretended that the glasses worked on his ailment. Which is still ridiculous and absolutely disgusting

[@azrielwest2810]

@@ardius9777He absolutely is disgusting. From what I understand, the glasses only “work” for the green-red color cone overlap and not the more severe types of color blindness. They don’t cure anything at all, they just MIGHT make some colors more vibrant. So many people were fooled into thinking that if they bought these for a loved one or themselves, that they would be able to see normally, and man those are some overpriced glasses. He admitted to “*_exaggeration_*” because, according to him, he’s “*_a story teller_*” He sure is, but in the same vein as a snake oil salesmen. Edit: I hate when I mess up formatting.