BEST SONY CINEMATIC VIDEO SETTINGS FOR YOUR A6400

[@dibeabnu]

I don't comment often on KZbin, but when I do, it's to thank video creators for a solid video. Thank you.

[@CreativeTechLab]

I appreciate that!

[@PapaDuck]

another great video man...preciate that...good job

[@CreativeTechLab]

Appreciate it!

[@sabrinab4245]

Thank you so much for this, especially the description box with time stamps including the settings to set - made it really easy since I’m brand new.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you liked it.

[@RobertoTorres-hair]

This has been probably the most helpful video I’ve seen out of the hundreds of videos I’ve seen for video settings! Thank you so much! So helpful!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks. Glad you found the video helpful 🙏🏾

[@CaptureCultureMedia]

Thank you for breaking down the video settings! I’m a photographer trying to get into filming with my a6400 and the amount of settings Sony has was intimidating to figure out lol

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ReadLoveListen]

Thank you for this video. I just got this camera and I'm glad to see what the full potential of this camera. I like that you truly showed all the details.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching. Glad you found it helpful

[@majin_duke]

Just picked mine up yesterday. Super helpful!

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏽

[@FloridaAmbient]

Thanks for the video! I primarily shoot with an a6400 due to current budget. These settings make things easier for sure!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Awesome glad you found it helpful.

[@cosmic_drew]

I really, really, really wish I found this when I first got my a6400 but I'm still damn glad I found it now.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏽. Glad you found it helpful.

[@brettorrmusic]

Bought one today, thanks for saving me a ton of time.

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏽 thanks for watching

[@artisttemple8268]

Great video. It gave me a lot to study and learn more deeply. Unfortunately, sections 8:50 and 11:20 went much too fast and way over my head. I got completely lost, lol. But I've only had the camera (my first) for several days. A completely new and exciting experience. I'm sure these terms will make more sense in a couple of weeks as I become more acquainted with the camera and what each function means. Thank you for your generosity in teaching this tutorial..

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was somewhat helpful! Once you start to use the camera things will start to make more sense. This is also just a guide on how I set my cameras up to give you an idea on how you'll set yours. Good luck!

[@Shawn_McVey]

Super good video man. Great detail.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching

[@FlaviaBeswickMusic]

This video really helped. Thank you so much! 🇯🇲🙏🏽

[@CreativeTechLab]

No problem!! Bless up

[@becfowler_creatingaliveness]

Wow. I can see you totally know your stuff. I have to say though, as a COMPLETE beginner with ZERO clue this is WAY over my head 😂 I'd love to see a total beginner video about how to use this camera for making videos and uploading them to IG.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. If you're beginner maybe start with this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5eVlp2hhsqjrqc. I also have one that's abotu understanding the dial on the camera here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4PXmqGEl7uYbbM Hope that helps.

[@chaustrongmotivation]

Thank you so much, just got my camera today and this video is making the process of using it go so much faster!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Great to hear!

[@dineshsharaf4678]

Great video brother. This helped me a lot in setting up my camera for video. Thank you very much.

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏽 glad you found it helpful.

[@VisitingCANVAS]

Your teaching is very useful, thanks a lot bro.

[@PaulinoSensei]

Thanks for the video tip set up. Cheers

[@CreativeTechLab]

👊🏾

[@ThunderRodProductions]

This video helped me out a lot. I was able to fine tune my settings more accurately to my setup! I mainly use my Sony a6400 through a video capture card for my live streaming Dj sets that I eventually upload to KZbin, Twitch and Mixcloud. Thank you for your insight! You made it very easy to follow step by step on some of the features that I was unaware of. I've been using the kit lens 16-50mm and was thinking of upgrading to the Sigma 16mm lens. Would my videos benefit from this upgrade? Appreciate your work!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching! The Sigma 16mm is a great APSC lens. You'll definitely see a difference from the kit lens. Has a nice sharp image and the 1.4 aperture gives you amazing bokeh. The only limitation is the fixed focal range. So as long as that's not a problem for you then u should be good.

[@TashaSimson]

Finally the video mi a look fah 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@CreativeTechLab]

LOL. Big up!

[@GemmaHentsch]

This was a lot to take in, not everything I need, but also at the same time was really helpful, two things I had issues with, was the Picture Profiles isn't exactly clear (sony UX issue mostly), and that I got confused on video formats, because my camera was/is in PAL mode.

[@CreativeTechLab]

👍🏾

[@mauricionerio3180]

Amazing video for the beginners and some unknown features of the camera, I loved it, thanks for the video tips and tricks for this time

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful! 🙏🏽

[@vusalnovruzov-actor3111]

Thank you so much brother🙏🙏👍 that was so useful👍

[@CreativeTechLab]

My pleasure

[@Dimidth_Petkovski]

Can you please provide some exercise type of tutorials on A6400, for cinematic shots? It will give us the depth of insights on this wonderful baby A6400 and encourage budding short film makers like me!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Maybe some time in the future

[@uwanialiyu]

Love this. Please make your updated grading video. Thank you 🙏🏾

[@CreativeTechLab]

Will do!

[@CreatorsAcademyy]

Your lighting setup is amazing , superb pls tell more about it or make a video about it thanks

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks. I used the Godox SL60W. I have a video coming out about it soon.

[@whatthomassays]

Super helpful video I just changed up some of my settings. I look forward to getting out and filming with them now. Thank you.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Great to hear!

[@domualex]

i like this son of a gun..have another subscriber..you deserve it

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks!

[@IngravenvidsTKIC]

hey i appreciate this a lot man. thank you for this breakdown

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching. Always good to know someone found it useful.

[@mr.legend9973]

Awesome video!!

[@ArinaKimCinematicVlog]

Love to try Sony gear one day :) Great tips! 😍

[@CreativeTechLab]

Go for it!

[@newmagicfilms]

I just clicked on this video for some info. I've left after 12:43 minutes with good motivation, subscribed, commented, liked , on continue to see what else you have on your channel. Have a wonderful day sir! You don't know, but I know you are handsome, beautiful and openminded (not gah :D )

[@CreativeTechLab]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@michellebentz3576]

Most helpful, thank you!

[@CreativeTechLab]

You're welcome!

[@evolutionsportsmedia3663]

Great video my man!!!!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks

[@shellyanne7]

Thanks this really help. the only problem is when I set my on movie mode to record my KZbin videos, as soon as I press record the screen gets really dark and I have to change it back to Auto?

[@CreativeTechLab]

That's strange. Are videos that are recorded dark as well when you bring them onto the computer? Or just dark on the screen?

[@rubin-healmysocialanxiety702]

Great video! Thanks!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you liked it!

[@tasticccbeats]

Great video! thanks dawg

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Leo, thanks for the info bruddah!

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏽 thanks for watching

[@rizkydharma8373]

Amazing man as always!

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@campdavidmusic]

You are the man fam . You saved me a bunch of time . Salute

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@toddkeith7698]

Great information and very well explained. Thank you

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@AtiaCamz]

I totally agree myself! He always comes thru with an honest vid.

[@salvadorla1]

Great video, thank you.... I hit the like buttom and sunscribed - keep up the good wor

[@CreativeTechLab]

Much appreciated!

[@inkisthename]

Good video bro , subbed

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@vibestudiosct400]

New to shooting videos . Would this be a good set up to follow for shooting rap / hip hop music videos ?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Definitely.

[@JrSaboiaFilmmaker]

Awesome!!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@JeanBatMusic]

Thanks dude! It's clear concise I like it!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you liked it

[@kedaarr]

Too useful man! Thankyou ❤️

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad to hear that!

[@DeanReynoldsMusic]

YO Leo! This is a super dope video bro! I just purchased my Sony A6400 today! I first rented it from Lens Rentals.. then bought it .. now I need a freaking Lens haha

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks a lot! Glad you found it helpful. Your lens choice will depend on what you're shooting. But the Sigma trio or the Sony 18-105 are good starting points when looking.

[@DeanReynoldsMusic]

@@CreativeTechLab nuff respect! Yeah, I’m trying to get the sigma..whenever I have your kind of money haha

[@crusher189]

Hey man i really liked your content. Hope that one day i can have content like this. Extremely helpful. I understand my camera a whole lot now. Thank you so much

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks, it's always great to hear that the content is helping. And I'm sure you'll be creating great videos as well soon

[@Koederschlacht]

Thank you for sharing, it is absolutely appreciated!

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@DrSivaMahalingam]

Your video quality is amazing! Do you have a video about colour grading? How do u get such vibrant colours? Keep up the great video content!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey. Just realized I never responded to this comment sorry. I need to do an updated video about color grading. It’s changed a lot. In the past I’ve used LUTS. Now I grade myself. But in this video I use the HLG2 picture profile. The colors are already pretty good straight out of camera. Just add a little contrast and saturation and you’ll be mostly there.

[@georgekariuki8614]

@@CreativeTechLab Please do the color grading video as soon as you can!I just received my new A6400 after watching your videos and would like to improve my skills 🤜🤛 Keep up the great content dawg!

[@PeterMossUkulele]

Hi - still learning with my a6400 and today experimenting with a Sony 16-50 OSS zoom lens. I can get it to work fine when I operate the slide switch on the actual lens but can’t seem to use the dial wheel on the rear? In the zoom menu Tab 2 sub page 5 to find 3 options 1) Zoom 2)Zoom setting (where I can select optical/clear image/digital and 3) Zoom ring rotate. However numbers 1 & 3 are grayed out. If I try to select them there is a message “ Invalid with this lens”? I have tried switching the camera off/on and taken the lens off/on and still the same. What do you think I am doing wrong? If you have time pls come back to me. Thanks, Peter. 🎶👍😊

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. I don’t have any experience with that particular lens. Maybe check out a video like this and it may help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXTInYR9qbSJqdU

[@yamonghning7014]

I love your review & thanks you ❤

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching!

[@JeffLewistennis]

This is a great video! I usually demo tennis strokes and right on a board behind me. Don't really want a bokeh. Any tips for settings then? DO I still need aperture priority? Thanks!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. If you don't want the bokeh you can use a higher f stop. Like 4, 5.6 etc. Also a lot of people shoot sports at higher frame rates like 60fps or more since it's fast moving.

[@dbdmrpolska6260]

i haven't seen the whole video but giving u a sub just for introduction !

[@CreativeTechLab]

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[@eassame]

Top video! Will be getting this camera!

[@CreativeTechLab]

It's a great camera, you'll like it

[@loupeit]

great info! thanks

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@LukeAntunes]

New sub here! Loving your vibe man and very informational!! Thanks for sharing 👏🏻👏🏻

[@CreativeTechLab]

Awesome, thank you!

[@tuftonstreet1413]

Very good video, I used to use wide range with gopro, how can I do that with this?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching. I'm not sure what 'wide range' is.

[@Patriciojulca]

Saludos desde Perú 🇵🇪

[@CreativeTechLab]

👊🏾

[@prateekchavanfilms]

Really helpful video thank you so much 😊🤝

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it was helpful!

[@danthonyrashad]

Hey do you use color grading software or is the straight from the sony

[@CreativeTechLab]

I color grade using Final Cut Pro.

[@lottatime2]

Thank you very much for this video. I am an amateur user and this helped me record my painting video with my a6400+kit lens 16-50. Would you recommend the sigma 16mm 1.4 for getting sharper videos, where I can zoom in later on the artwork?

[@lottatime2]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4jXdHigaLaajNE

[@CreativeTechLab]

The Sigma 16mm is an awesome lens. If you're shooting in 4K you can definitely zoom in post to make up for the lack of zoom. You can also use Sony's Clear Image Zoom in camera to give you some extra reach.

[@lottatime2]

@@CreativeTechLab oh great thank you.. ill purchase that one then.

[@elbarriopapi]

you are the man super helpful.. thank you

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you liked it

[@BIDCFAMILY]

Which camera and lens you use for KZbin video!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. Recently I've been using the Sony a7iii and the Sony 20mm 1.8 G lens. It's a great combo.

[@BIDCFAMILY]

@@CreativeTechLab thank you so much sir...lots of love form india🇮🇳

[@BIDCFAMILY]

If i use sony a6400 with f1.8 50mm lens... can i get same quality???

[@daialos]

What about the pther fps you record? For amore cinematic video applying some slow motion m, yo use 4k 30 fps? Or you go to hd 120 or 60?? Thanks!!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. Yes I utilize different framerates. It just depends on what the shot calls for. I love 120fps, but also use 60 a lot too and 30 in low light scenarios. Check this video we did about switching framerates for b roll: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ3TdJxqd7uIac0

[@joaquinelectric1]

Hi what lens and gimbal do you recommend?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Lens depends on what you're shooting. But the Sigma primes are great for example. For Gimbal the DJI RS3 Mini is amazing amzn.to/4hg6yWc

[@dghoghiamin...9005]

thank you for this information

[@CreativeTechLab]

My pleasure

[@Zaakirahhh]

Hey! Just found your channel and I just bought the Sony 50mm f1.8 lens you reviewed! My question is... my lens I’m currently using which is the standard lens that came with the Sony a5100 pulls yellow and I have to do a lot of color correcting in post. Do you think the lens I just purchased will be better and more balanced as far as color? And is there anything I can do differently so that it’s not as yellow? Even when I adjust the white balance I still find it kind of yellow. Thanks in advance! Love your channel.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. I'm not too familiar with the a5100. However I do know the older Sony models would have a green-ish color cast to it. Nailing the white balance in camera will help a lot with any color shifts, and it's better to shoot it right than adjust it in post. If the a5100 has picture profiles, then you could make a custom picture profile to adjust the color you're seeing too much of. Also I did a quick search and found these too threads on dpreviews: www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4048892 and www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4058345 These are in reference to other cameras, but may be applicable to your situation. Seems like turning off DRO may help. But I'm not sure if that applies to just stills or to video as well. Anyway hope that helps. Good luck creating.

[@lavinchi6709]

Great video.🍺

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks 🥃

[@NurseGotGlow]

thank you my friend!! such a great guide!

[@CreativeTechLab]

My pleasure!

[@Wisdom_Works]

Thank you so much for this video! I just received my very first camera (The Sony Alpha a6400) and my Sigma Lens yesterday. I have watched so many videos that did not help me as a true beginner. I was just getting ready to call it quits for today and saw you video. Your video has helped me so much! I’m still unsure of some things but where I had 0 understanding, I now feel I’m at 50% of understanding. I will watch your video a couple more times to ensure but is it possible to request more help from you?

[@CreativeTechLab]

☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️ #allthefeels for this comment. Super glad to hear it helped! Message me @creativetechlab on IG.

[@ajkhazzproductions4439]

in the same boat as u

[@Wisdom_Works]

Ajkhazz Productions I left 2 comments on two different KZbin Channels, hoping one of not both would help me!!!! I feel somewhat loss.

[@tanjukara14]

Hi, Enjoy your new camera😅 I am also new in camera shootings so I keep watching a lot of videos. First off, I need a camera and struggling between sony a6400 and canon m50🤪 Would you pls give me desc. Of your sigma lens ? Is it 16 f1.4 or 30 f1.4? Link would be helpful. Thanks

[@Wisdom_Works]

Tanju Kara 😂..., I have the sigma Lens 16mm. I just started my KZbin channel about 5 weeks ago and needed a camera. Like you, I have watched so many videos on KZbin, trying to decide which would be best for me. I finally decided on the Sony A6400 and I absolutely love it. I shot my first video with it yesterday and I’m working on posting it on my channel Wednesday. I also used the sigma lens. I’m so new at this and I know my camera settings wasn’t correct but I’ll figure it out! 😊.... You can see from a beginners point, if you like. I’ll post it on Wednesday.

[@nakdaniels1199]

Everyone has their thing, and yours is blinking 😆 great video

[@CreativeTechLab]

🤷🏽‍♂️ lol

[@Marcocanadea]

Thanks mate! Got camera yesterday and your setup is a good starting point from which to make changes as I go along....good man!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad it helped! Good luck creating with the camera.

[@nikhilpachbhai3470]

Hi brother appreciate ur work and lots of respect from india. I just want ur suggestion. I want to buy new camera for film making and travel moments capturing can u suggest me something batter with the lenses my budget is in between 1000 to 1500 dollars.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. I think something like the Sony A6700 would fit what you're looking for: geni.us/ISgA

[@Dizciple8]

I need help it says to record 24p 100m I need a uhs-I U3 what sd card do I need

[@Dizciple8]

Would the SanDisk 128GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-I Card work?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Yeah the Sandisk cards are what I use.

[@adhdfitgirl]

🙏🏽thanks for this

[@CreativeTechLab]

You’re welcome 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@FOTBShow]

My camera overheats in 4k so I shoot in HD, what’s the ideal record setting to use?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Did you set the Temp to high?

[@FOTBShow]

@@CreativeTechLab No I didn’t but I’ll check to make sure. Do you think it’s probably the reason it overheats?

[@CreativeTechLab]

It can help. The camera will run for a lot longer at higher temperature before it needs to shut off. Shooting with the LCD screen away from camera can also help

[@artpotrait]

What really the background color you use on this video ?, it is so fantastic

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks! I can't remember the actual color. It's Sherwin Williams gray

[@DaneVisuals]

Really intuitive video bro, quick question are you Jamaican ?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching. And yes I am.

[@QuicksandMindset]

Love it! Just picked up my A6400 a few days ago. I needed this guide. In your opinion, what are the best settings for shooting footage for basketball and fitness?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks for watching, glad you like the video. The settings will still depend on the specific look that you’re going for. However, in general people recommended shooting fast moving sports in higher frame rates. So shooting basketball vids in 60 or 120p might be useful, and you can slow it down in post. The fitness videos may be a little different, some in 24p and other shots in higher frame rates. Stay tuned, I have some tutorials coming about how to shoot fitness videos coming soon.

[@QuicksandMindset]

@@CreativeTechLab Great! Good to know. Thanks for getting back to me on that. I will definitely be tuned in to that video on recording fitness ✌🏽

[@mmarko301]

good video!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@RealRen3977]

So what’s the best settings for a podcast?

[@CreativeTechLab]

either 24p or 30p depending on the look you like

[@Nayimureyi]

Can you do a video on setting up the background you use in this video?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. You can check this video where I talk about my lighting setup here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWfVlpubmNOcd6c

[@Nayimureyi]

@@CreativeTechLab Just found it! Subscribed and LOVING the content Leo

[@aqshinmahmudov4806]

Big thanks, bro! Please, make a video about record settings. For example, in my country I need to use PAL format and there are only 2 types for 4K: 25 p 100M and 25p 60M. But the FULL HD mod gives more variants like 50p 50M, 50p 25M, 25p 50M etc. What is the difference? It's impossible to find any useful information about this factor.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. Each of the different frame rates also have a bit rate. Basically the higher the rate the more information, like color, that’s in your file. So if you’re color grading a lot you’d want to choose the higher bit rate option. But if you wanted to save more space on the memory card you could use the lower rate. Hope that makes sense.

[@aqshinmahmudov4806]

@@CreativeTechLab Thank you very much for information, that's enough to start detalied reserching. :)

[@JaySkeeteReacts]

Question, are these the setting that give u this clear look on this current video? I wana do this exact clarity while doing my reviews. Is there any specific light i can get to get this clear look?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. Check out this video. It details the setup I was using in this video: How To Light A KZbin Video For Cheap: Godox SL60W | Sony Mirrorless kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWfVlpubmNOcd6c

[@_mannyponce]

Great stuff bro thanks 🙏

[@CreativeTechLab]

Any time! Glad you liked it.

[@DADEFUYE]

thank you so much

[@CreativeTechLab]

ur welcome

[@vijayakumarrajarathinam9344]

Is this camera good for shortfilm making ? Or any other suggestion ? Love from india ❤️

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hi thanks for watching. Absolutely the camera is capable of making short films. Realistically there are people making films with smartphones. But between the amazing 4k, slo motion up to 120p and a great lens line up, you can get a lot done with the a6400.

[@vijayakumarrajarathinam9344]

@@CreativeTechLab Thanks dude 😊😊

[@michaelcurnow2231]

Thanks for this

[@CreativeTechLab]

🙏🏾

[@jimquinn790]

Great video. Thank you!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Glad you liked it!

[@Unifyhandmade]

Thank you so much!

[@CreativeTechLab]

You're welcome!

[@willychin2897]

Great info!!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

Respect 🙏🏽. Need to get to those Willychin style quick hitter tutorials lol.

[@mark.koval30]

Thanks men! How do you actually change 4k to 60fps? It’s seems to be only working in HD.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Hey thanks for watching. The a6400 only shoots 4K up to 30fps.

[@ukrproduction3127]

good job.

[@CreativeTechLab]

Thanks!

[@sossiko5851]

Your camera has different settings than mine although they are both a6400 (ver 2.00) any ideas what the problem might be?

[@CreativeTechLab]

Not sure

[@OzaidaBengala888]

About aspect ratio for video? How many video s aspect ratio does it have?

[@CreativeTechLab]

You can only select different aspect ratios for photos

[@OzaidaBengala888]

@@CreativeTechLab ok thank so much

[@Smooth1productions]

I have the A 6500 & trying to capture sports

[@CreativeTechLab]

The principles shown here should still apply. The menus on the A6500 are slightly different. You may also setup your custom buttons a little different for sports.

[@Smooth1productions]

@@CreativeTechLab I'm now to this camera a6500 I just need a quick setup when capturing sports

[@CreativeTechLab]

Just implement some of the steps in the video. Go out and start shooting and then you'll know what you need to adjust.

[@fredricolord876]

Thank you!!

[@CreativeTechLab]

👊🏾

[@tonythetonester5223]

I'm struggling or maybe i'm missing something but whenever I film in my sony a6400 and upload on youtube the videos tends to be not fit full of the screen on youtube, would you know the issues i need to adjust?

[@CreativeTechLab]

That may probably have more to do with your editing software. Are u exporting in 1080 or 4k?

[@tonythetonester5223]

@@CreativeTechLab I export as 4K so does it mean the resolution shrink down?