Here's the Part 2 of this video with some benchmarks: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqDZg6ejid2dq6c
@Kiyantha2 жыл бұрын
oki
@revanvonheaven82702 жыл бұрын
Hi Tech Notice I have an Rtx3060 I7 10750 125W CPU Acer Predator Hellios 300 315 53 71HN anyway my question to you is there a laptop version of the CPU I9 12900HK something unlocked my reason for wanting to update this is I want my machine to be able to keep up with Macbook pro M1 pro so that is my reason I want to bring it on the same level plus I intend to do some overclocking Add more memory a wifi 6e card and add Two new M2 anyway I need the HK is there a laptop version because I have seen them in MSI I hardly doubt it is a desktop version!.
@revanvonheaven82702 жыл бұрын
No I want an extra integrated GPU even as a gamer more power more infinite computing power
@aravindraja8034 Жыл бұрын
What about AMD APU?
@JayzBeerz2 жыл бұрын
I always buy CPU's with IGPU cause you never know when your DGPU will take a dump.
@fjalls2 жыл бұрын
Im on Ryzen and the "G" linup isnt as good as the "normal" ones. I have a 710 and an 1080 as a backup if that would happen
@stigrabbid5892 жыл бұрын
If you use AMD GPUs and have a compatible Ryzen CPU with IGPU you can use the integrated graphics to boost the graphics performance.
@canadianwildlifeservice88832 жыл бұрын
I always keep a roll of toilet paper next to the GPU just in case.
@monke69122 жыл бұрын
@@stigrabbid589 so i can make beast whit newest amd gpu and ddr5 64 gpu
@the1whokill5182 жыл бұрын
Same tbh, also makes it simple when building a whole new system, gpu isn't posting/needs software. We'll the cpu igpu should work enough to diagnose the issue.
@AMGG Жыл бұрын
I'm on 13700KF and I have no problem.
@notREDiАй бұрын
he's just crying don't mind him
@wojtas252418 күн бұрын
That aged extremely bad
@madphotography611912 күн бұрын
I gave two option i7 13700K Vs i9 13900KF For almost same price Which one I should go first????
@enduringwave872 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. You made choosing between different variants of the 12th Gen i7 CPUs far much easier. I had been looking at KF version since it's a little cheaper and I am too narrow on budget.
@kleptokratija Жыл бұрын
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@Judaea98 Жыл бұрын
@@kleptokratija KF is much better for gaming.
@kleptokratija Жыл бұрын
@@Judaea98 I don't care too much about gaming, mostly video editing, adobe apps, I need powerful enough PC for my work, and casual gaming, but definitely not a priority.
@colinmusgrave Жыл бұрын
@@Judaea98 no its not f is more for editing and stuff k is for gaming kf is for both so k is better
@koenigseggone1803 Жыл бұрын
@@colinmusgrave the f just means it doesn't have integrated graphics, and k means it's overclockable
@Zooptopus272 жыл бұрын
If you're going to be using a dedicated GPU, then don't even bother with the upgrade imo. A dedicated GPU and integrated GPU will not work together on the same task, so there's literally no point. Pretty much anyone with a dedicated GPU in the creator scene will have a high end GPU, and the iGPU will not come close to the kind of power the dGPU has. The only benefit from using the iGPU is having an extra display port when needed, and when you're going to troubleshoot something without a dedicated GPU.
@sirvz2 жыл бұрын
This... I find this video very non sense for video creation. Even if the encoder maybe better, most people edit in raw or log anyways. So those encoder is still useless. I still have a non f just in case anything goes wrong.
@PhotoOwl2 жыл бұрын
I wish Ryzen had something similar. Btw I bought another 32GB of RAM as you recommended, and I'm glad I did. Thanks! (you might remember me from your stream)
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
😉👍
@zerotactix57392 жыл бұрын
Ryzen does have igpus on few CPUs. For example the 2400G, 3400G and the new 5700G with 8 cores and 16 threads. And can play any game. The newer ones on lower settings obviously.
@PhotoOwl2 жыл бұрын
@@zerotactix5739 Can it help with video editing? I suppose it can't
@art_means_artificial2 жыл бұрын
integrated graphic makes your chip and motherboard much hotter! if you have got a good GPU you don't need any integrated gpu
@icewallowcome_daily98022 жыл бұрын
@@zerotactix5739 The only downside of the Ryzen G processors is it can't perform any better than intel if you paired it with a dedicated GPU
@rcha20242 жыл бұрын
Dude !! this guy has no idea what he's talking about !!
@belikeh4rry2172 жыл бұрын
thats why we need youtube dislike back
@griefy45552 жыл бұрын
Tired of seeing clowns telling people to get the iGPU, you can literally buy an older gpu like the GTX 680 for almost the same price, which will completely destroy the shitty iGPU, also I'd highly doubt anyone would notice the extra 10%-20% performance from using Quick Sync in Video Rendering, F series processors offer the best value for money, this is the first and last video I'll watch from you, stop spreading misinformation!
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
FYI, the iGPU on 12th gen (UHD770) with Intel quick sync can give you extra 100+% performance, depending on codecs you're using for video editing ;)
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@theTechNotice I cannot find anything to substantiate that claim but iGPUs especially Intel ones aren't particularly great at anything and the dGPU is supposed to do that work whilst the CPU handles everything else I've looked through tons of posts and articles tried different search terms and no you're wrong, ofc I already knew this but I gave you the benefit of the doubt lol
@Z0o0L2 жыл бұрын
as a gamer i bought the 12400f also its better for power consumption but i got ur point...however i think there are more gamers than photographers^^so the f variant in a budget gaming build is and will be the way to go i think^^
@s7evenTV2 жыл бұрын
agreed, did the same thing
@Youuuuuu2 жыл бұрын
no thats braindead saving 10 dollars is not worth it stop coping with your bad decision
@hetfield_75 Жыл бұрын
@@TheUnknownVideographer unless overclocked....i think the 12400f will do fine a f
@prodigalpowtato2597 Жыл бұрын
Just saw this video but I already built my PC. Luckily I saw a Reddit comment about the meaning of the different letter "suffixes" on Intel CPUs while I was looking at PC parts. There's really a need for more information on this topic. Thanks for making this video!
@Vendemiair2 жыл бұрын
The worst mistake you'll make is getting the F version and NOT having a dedicated GPU, meaning you won't be able to use your PC at all. I often play games and use Photoshop occasionally but almost never work on videos, so I wouldn't be averse to getting the KF variant to save some money. That said, having onboard graphics is good for troubleshooting a faulty GPU though, and if ever it conks out at least you'll still be able to use your computer while waiting for a replacement.
@josephwilson8391 Жыл бұрын
Slap a dirt cheap gpu into it if one is having issues with it. I don't recommend paying a 100 dollars more for the K version. That's idiotic and also paranoia. I've had my Ryzen 7 3700x for two years and I have never once had issues with it not having integrated graphics. I have a bunch of spare gpus. I guess that makes me weird?
@stevenross-watt8640 Жыл бұрын
@@josephwilson8391 same. I have 9900kf and no issues at all having no onboard. Just pre order 13700kf to replace it. I'm happy and continue to be happy. Mainly gaming and occasionally streaming.
@kleptokratija Жыл бұрын
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? I'm not afraid of faulty GPU because I will buy a brand new one. Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@stevenross-watt8640 Жыл бұрын
@@kleptokratija of course it is. There are some benefits of having onboard graphics but I've never needed them in years.
@southernaviator7010 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenross-watt8640 does having the F variant effect live streaming performance at all? Will it slow my game FPS down in any way? I live stream sim racing and I'm trying to understand if this will slow down my fps or live stream.
@DdxNabil Жыл бұрын
1:00 dont go with f variant 2:00 dont go with f variant 3:00 dont go with f variant 4:00 dont go with f variant 5:00 dont go with f variant 6:00 dont go with f variant 7:00 dont go with f variant 8:00 dont go with f variant
@angeld7849 Жыл бұрын
Get help
@malcomnotinthemiddle3432 жыл бұрын
I think gamers should still get the k version instead of kf because it’s really helpful in troubleshooting graphics card problems. If you don’t have igpu you’ve got to source another gpu to confirm the problems are actually the gpu and not something else
@redclaw72666 Жыл бұрын
Soo your saying if anyone buys a $1500 GPU meaning it will die eventually lol yikes 😅
@mikem95367 ай бұрын
@@redclaw72666I've never had a GPU die on me, but I never overclock and I run vsync so I rarely use 100% GPU power.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
No, they really shouldn't you don't need a fancy GPU for a display output you can save a lot of money just by buying an old GPU for like pennies and save a lot of money especially if you upgrade as often as I do, you'd be flushing away money for an issue that isn't likely to happen for legit no reason
@jeanbob87162 жыл бұрын
Don"t listen to this dude. Buy a proper graphic processor and save money with a KF. There is no way you will be happy rendering scenes with your integrated gpu.
@BravoSixGoingDark Жыл бұрын
I disagree with your assessment, iGPU is important, if your dedicated graphics card goes down, at least you have a backup to tide you while your card goes on a warranty replacement. Never underestimate how important an iGPU is when you need to use your pc for daily normal usage.
@leafbelly Жыл бұрын
@@BravoSixGoingDarkThen, what if you already have an extra GPU lying around?
@BravoSixGoingDark Жыл бұрын
@@leafbelly What happens if that extra GPU has weird unspecified crashing problems? I would say it's still best to have an iGPU as a fallback plan. Sure you pay a few dollars more. I would take that deal.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@BravoSixGoingDark I mean you could just order a 5 dollar card and save $45 so I don't get your point?
@y_zass2 жыл бұрын
Well said! This is why I bought the i5 12500 too. I don't have a GPU yet, I planned on getting an Intel Arc A750 but we see how that went. Now I'm stalking Best Buy for a 3060ti founders at msrp
@rudramukherjee99797 ай бұрын
How is the editing performance with the igpu only?
@angeld7849 Жыл бұрын
The question is.. why Intel made a variant without integrated graphics (F)? is like to buy a phone without battery 🤦♂️
@notallgarbage2 жыл бұрын
Bought a 10100F for my daughter. She has a GTX 1050 ti. I could not care less for the iGPU I passed on. Who cares? I saved money. She's going to upgrade to a GTX 1660 Super soon... who cares for the iGPU. Seriously. No reason to buy it. NONE.
@chrlmlln90182 жыл бұрын
A warm THANK to you for your advice and cavation to not choose the "F"-version! Wishing you all the best, and stay blessed and healthy! Best regards from Sweden!
@HR-wd6cw Жыл бұрын
Regardless of what generation, you should always check to see if the CPU includes processor graphics! Intel has been doing this since about the Intel Core 2000-series CPUs which some (such as the K and X models) didn't have integrated graphics.
@poopoppy9 ай бұрын
I bought my first pc with an 12 gen F chip. I didn't know what the F meant. I had to swap it out. I don't understand the point of an F chip. Just pay the little bit extra.
@SianaGearz2 жыл бұрын
It's not actually advised to use the iGPU media engine for stream encoding with OBS in gaming, because you incur bus contention. It's advised to keep everything within the single GPU, capture, compositing and encoding. The encoder is actually dedicated silicon and it doesn't have a performance impact. Capture and compositing do have a performance impact, but trying to capture across different GPUs is even worse, plus it's an absolute torture to get working. iGPU encoding is easy to set up but bad when system bus is already under heavy load.
@pixels_per_inch2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. You'd get worse performance using the iGPU to encode than just using the dedicated NVENC.
@Genjokoan2 жыл бұрын
My experience with Gen 10 CPUs agree with your results, though the improvement is not that large. PS: Your "product placement" was, shall we say, was totally obvious. ;)
@Motscoud2 жыл бұрын
I'm a 3D artist, and honestly picked the F variant. I was formerly on a Ryzen 5 without internal graphics either, so I don't really see a loss if I lose the iGPU. An iGPU won't help Blender renders, or even my dedicated GPU, CPU is best for Cycles for me.
@sturenorth2 жыл бұрын
This, I don´t even get why this youtuber goes out of his way to misrepresent what the CPU does for performance.
@Motscoud2 жыл бұрын
@@sturenorth I get his argument... if people building rigs for creative work weren't installing an NVidia, or AMD GPU lol
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comments guys. Have a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3-Qqp-sfsd8pLM Hopefully this helps. :)
@Motscoud2 жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice I mean, I'm assuming this is a copy paste, because Video Rendering and 3D Ray Tracing are completely different beasts. Intel QuickSync and the internal iGPU once again... pretty useless. Actually been meaning to pick up a RTX card, as CyclesX can use that lol
@positrack992 жыл бұрын
This video is bad advice. Keep the graphics on the GPU.
@jublywubly Жыл бұрын
I used the same criteria for narrowing down my search for i7 CPUs, I got down to two gen 12s and only one gen 13. It'd be crazy not to get a CPU with built in GPU capabilities. I don't know what people do if their graphics card fails. They won't be able to do anything with their computer, not even do some diagnostics to see if it is just their graphics card that's faulty. I wish it were so easy to search through motherboards.
@leafbelly Жыл бұрын
You pop in another graphics card if it fails. If you're someone, like me, who has several older GPUs sitting around, getting non-F version is a complete waste of money. I was able to get a KF version of a 12700 for $50 less on sale.
@FielValeryRTS Жыл бұрын
Me looking at my i5 2500: *This beauty is fine*
@GhotiBone Жыл бұрын
I'm 8 months late, but... I'm streaming at 1080p with a Dell Studio XPS 9100 MoBo, an i7 970k (not overclocked), and a GTX 1050Ti, 16GB DDR3 RAM, on Win10. It's crazy to think that it works as great as it does, wasn't expecting when I picked up the build for $100.
@Jose.A.Acevedo2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found your channel. I started editing my very first video using a 10 year old laptop and it's a pain. Time to upgrade and build my very first pc. Thanks for the advice!
@johndicus1232 жыл бұрын
I like that he concentrates on creation-machines, not gaming-machines. I got 64GB RAM mostly due to his advice, and my 5950X. I run my machine 24/7 full-steam and have had no issues.
@teeaymusik9811 Жыл бұрын
For what did u settle? I think an i9 is just TOO much power and too expensive, also as the best i7. I maybe go for a i5. I do video editing too (music videos) and have a RX 570 8GB from sapphire.
@teeaymusik9811 Жыл бұрын
@@johndicus123 For what in the hell you need 64GB ram?
@ConstructionKronies2 жыл бұрын
I've been Intel all my life over 30 years of building PCs, I just bought my first AMD, a Ryzen 9 5950x and I couldn't be happier as a creator who works with BRAW it's an amazing chip. Intel has pooped the bed.
@sovu93992 жыл бұрын
not the bed, but the whole AMD factory.
@portman89092 жыл бұрын
@Sven Sigrun You’re comparing intel to the previous AMD chip without v cache.
@neolordie Жыл бұрын
ah yes, creators : photographers, video editors and streamers, 3d modeling ? coding ? others ?
@ScottishForce Жыл бұрын
Why would you use igpu for video editing you need a dedicated GPU?
@solarmonk2 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO MUCH for informing us beginners.. I just recently picked up the dreaded 'F' chip. As an artist and creator I wanted a fast I9- not knowing F was any different and only saving $40. I was casually watching this video while working and jumped up to do the fastest return request I've ever made. Thank you for saving my build!!! Right one coming in same day thanks to Amazon.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
The iGPU isn't very good though you're better off using that 40 dollars towards a better card and sorry man but this guy definitely sold you some bad info nobody uses the iGPU for anything especially if they have an i9, people that buy the i9 tend to at least have an RTX 3080 in their system that completely shits on any iGPU currently in the market
@yoshyusmc2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting about the point you are making. My question is if you rather use igpu, don’t you have to go back into bios to change the discreet gpu setting? Aren’t they mutually exclusive? Plus not to mention having to switch the dsp plug?
@galihAX2 жыл бұрын
you can always set the dual display on... having both iGPU and discrete stays on
@maridaudran2 жыл бұрын
You spent the entire video speaking about the Intel IGPU and non-IGPU variants, what was the point of placing the AMD RYZEN CPU boxes so prominently in the camera view?
@LinkSquish Жыл бұрын
On Jan 4th 2022 I got the Intel 12th gen i9-12900K & ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi D4 mainboard For my first build. That board has Display Port & HDMI out. I knew about F, K & KF. I made sure to get the K even though I have a dedicated GPU. In my situation, it was because what if my GPU fails & I need something to get by. And I know it helps in performance.
@SkateClipsAndTips2 жыл бұрын
Benefit for having integrated graphics on a cpu is if your gpu stops working, you have a backup to troubleshoot. Not everyone has a 2nd gpu on hand
@de_struction582 жыл бұрын
The problem is Im on a budget and I dont want to spend 50$ more on a cpu
@rajeevchowbey29692 жыл бұрын
Like my GT 710 never had a issue in 7 years so I am really not understanding how modern ones stop working
@RetroPlus2 жыл бұрын
@@rajeevchowbey2969 I assume people aren't cooling them properly, overheated GPUs die much quicker
@shadowalphaop52382 жыл бұрын
If you don't know the main purpose of going with the F version is that you are going to get a good gpu and not waste money on the igpu
@chachaG-le9yd2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@NE_Pigeons2 жыл бұрын
I made this mistake... ordered the kf 😅 Switching over to the k version now! Thanks! 👍
@RobertGriffith92 жыл бұрын
Even for a gamer, if something goes wrong with your graphics card and you have an -F processor, you're completely stuck until you can put another GPU in, while the regular processor with iGPU will allow normal use of the computer in the meantime.
@KDuB9I62 жыл бұрын
If you have a graphics card (which most content creators have), then save some money and go with the "F" version. There is no performance difference between the 2, the only difference is the "F" version does not have a GPU built in. Why would you use encoders on the CPU if you have a dedicated graphics card?? Lol thats pointless, just taking more resources from the CPU.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
My friend, you are misinformed. The igpu can work together with your dGPU. The UHD770 has better encoders than on the rtx 3090. And the difference is HUGE! For example NVENC does not currently offer support for h.265 10 bit 4.2.2, yet UHD770 does. ;)
@KDuB9I62 жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice deleting my comment? Lol that link I posted compares over 500 12700f vs 12700 user CPU benchmarks against each other..... Showing no difference
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
I never delete comments, posting links on KZbin comments triggers them automatically and they go under the 'review' section and not public. :) But on the 12700 vs 12700F benchmarks was the iGPU turned on in BIOS when benchmarking the CPUs? Coz I can see a huge difference in my benchmarks in video editing especially timeline performance. :)
@ab9998522 жыл бұрын
having igpu might be useful in the future where you repurpose the CPU for other workload type. for example, my old gaming rig is now running my nas server. with igpu inside, i don't need to install any dedicated cards occupying precious pci-e slots. furthermore, should you decide to sell it in the future, you can appeal to more potential market
@gentleboss66622 жыл бұрын
For me, I will still buy with the igpu especially when I don't have a backup PC / Laptop especially when the gpu starts not to run (broke).
@TheGameBest72 жыл бұрын
I want to make something very clear. I have a i7 12700k, for rendering and for recording the integrated graphics are dog water, even for 1080p it has a noticeable blur a way better gpu is the gtx 1660 which has a great encoder. The only reason i got the K and not the KF was bc if my gpu dies I have one in the cpu where i can see output.
@nolyfe48147 ай бұрын
Question as you still using integrated graphics? If not do you still notice any blur?
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
I recommend just snagging an old graphics card off of eBay for like 5 dollars it'll save you so so much money if that's your concern
@TheGameBest74 ай бұрын
@@zk0rned if you can get a decent gpu for $5 I will be impressed
@TheGameBest74 ай бұрын
@@nolyfe4814 you can use the cpu for content on the desktop or in a browser. It gets real bad when gaming for example.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@TheGameBest7 you shouldn't be because that's not the reason to get an iGPU either because they're ass? Especially Intel iGPUs you can either get a card for five dollars that's good enough to run diagnostics or browse the internet until your new one comes in or spend the money you'd save with an F CPU and get better performance than you would with an iGPU either way the iGPU loses
@murielaraujo62824 ай бұрын
Heyy man, i think you just saved my life. I'm an profissional editor who needs a computer for some simple edits at home, i was going to buy i3 12100f and a GTX 1660 Super. Now i think i will save some more money for that i5 12600k.
@Vitaliuz2 жыл бұрын
If you're thinking about shoving an ad after a filler "intro" - then ... we need to have this chat.
@87Edvin2 жыл бұрын
I'm upgrading from Ryzen 1600. Bought the 12700K because the price on GC is still crazy. We will see how the integrated graphics hold up to some 3d modeling tasks in Fusion 360, Blender, 3ds Max and Revit.
@theinsurgent83092 жыл бұрын
how does it hold up tho ?
@87Edvin2 жыл бұрын
@@theinsurgent8309 it's doing good. Happy with the overall performance, but its not a long time solution for sure.
@JaiJai1772 жыл бұрын
Dude I’m using 1700x and 1080 for 4K editing and don’t seem to need an upgrade at all. 64gb ram at 3200 I’m in the 98th percentile on user bench mark. 95% across the board. Upgrading would be an ego move. Gtav run at 65 steady at max graphics
@mr.lunatic31572 жыл бұрын
@@JaiJai177 editing/gaming and 3d designing are different 3d modeling needs a good cpu even though it needs a good graphic card when rendering ....gaming needs a better gpu overall ...
@Imufur2 жыл бұрын
I usually buy non F just in case something happens to my actual gpu but its nice to know it gives some performance too
@serolog22 жыл бұрын
Same thinking here
@DeathStriker882 жыл бұрын
Same for me too. Only iGPU fulfills that safety & emergency needs
@ezekielarias27432 жыл бұрын
Does non F add power to frames
@DeathStriker882 жыл бұрын
@@ezekielarias2743 if you mean in-game fps then non-f give bite more fps than f versions
@davolthe12612 жыл бұрын
@@ezekielarias2743 I think not, like at all
@marcosaurus80 Жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t the dedicated graphic card be doing the computation?
@pixels_per_inch2 жыл бұрын
Not really a good advice. If you are planning to add a dedicated GPU, the iGPU is mostly useless. Intel's QuickSync performs nearly identical to Nvidia's NEVNC when encoding in video editing software. For streaming, the benefits of offloading the encoding to your iGPU are negated by the latency of copying the frames from the GPU to your iGPU. You actually get more performance encoding directly on your dedicated GPU since NVENC encoding is done directly on the GPU die and it only needs to send back encoded frames.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Actually Quicksync is much better than NVENC at the moment, the uhd770 supports more codecs than NVENC. :)
@adamstrachn2 жыл бұрын
This was incredibly useful for me. I do an extensive amount of Lightroom/Photoshop & had no idea about the variant issues. Thanks for the information, as I'll know what to look for in my next workstation.
@AniketWakade2 жыл бұрын
Biggest thing is if your GPU goes for RMA (repair) it might take 1-2 weeks and in that time you can use the integrated intel graphics for display
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@welshman20112 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I'd never buy a CPU without integrated graphics and it's now paying off as I've had to RMA my 2070 super due to display issues... Yea ok gaming isn't that great on the uhd770 with a 12600k especially when Forza horizon 4 only achieves a whopping 27fps on low settings and rdr2 in 720p with the same FPS 🤣 but still I'm able to play games to keep me busy untill my GPU comes back
@generic_account_name2 жыл бұрын
Same. Gaming might not be great on integrated graphics but the first time you need a display output to troubleshoot a GPU or have to RMA/replace it you'll be glad enough to have it that the extra $20 or $30 probably won't cross your mind.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@welshman2011 Please for the love of God save your money by using a cheap display adapter or an old GPU you wasted your money
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@generic_account_name Unless you know that five dollars will get you the same thing aka another GPU you really don't need an iGPU if an old GPU for cheaper and will perform better
@DizzyHarrison Жыл бұрын
When installing a discrete video card, the integrated video card is disabled at the BIOS stage.
@goldnoob61912 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that iGPUs taxes on global socket power..
@mountaindew2672 жыл бұрын
If you have a GPU, your GPU does everything the Integrated Graphics would do. Therefore, your IGPU sits unused, and adds no performance at all. In that case, the non-F variant is only useful for an emergency backup in case you are ever without a graphics card. Now, is it worth that slight discount to not have an emergency backup? Maybe not. But F models aren't some boogeyman to be afraid of.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
Real and even if for emergency five dollars will get you basically the same emergency backup aka an old GPU or a display adapter
@explosif1012 жыл бұрын
What does KF stand for Intel? unlocked Intel CPU nomenclature designates “K” as an unlocked processor that supports overclocking. Intel Processors with “F” in the product name denote NO SUPPORT for processor graphics. A “KF” designation means the processor is unlocked and does NOT support processor graphics.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@explosif1012 жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice Thank Google lol
@David-cg4hb Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. I’m running my monitor on usb-c/thunderbolt from the mother board. Not the display port on my card. It seems that the RTX a2000 is rendering games at half resolution and the cpu is upsampling it to full to suit the 4K screen resolution of my monitor.
@GraphicdesignforFree2 жыл бұрын
I always read that on desktops the iGPU automatically gets disabled when a dedicated GPU is plugged in. And that Arc would be different, in that Arc _will_ make use of the Intel iGPU. Confusing...
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
IGPU can be enabled from bios. ;)
@CaptainScorpio242 жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice yess it can enabled but wudnt it create conflict wd dGPU do we hv to to instal intel igpu driver along with nvidia driver..?
@GraphicdesignforFree2 жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice Thanks! Will have a look into that :)
@Vendemiair2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't create driver conflicts. You can run the iGPU concurrently with the dGPU, though i can't really figure out a good use for that. For example, you can run one monitor off the iGPU and another off the dGPU, but then dGPUs support multiple monitors to begin with. For example I still use an old Aorus Xtreme 1080 Ti and it has an obscene number of video ports (3 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 DVI-D and 1 internal HDMI).
@XYZW122 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't. I have 2 dGPU's from different vendors (nvidia, amd) installed simultaneously along with an enabled Intel iGPU in my desktop machince. The OS can handle all 3 graphics drivers and everything is working fine.
@vernonhendon19812 жыл бұрын
Great points regarding the F delimiter. I bought a i9 9900kf based upon reviews that I would not see a benefit of the K chip because of my 2070 Super. I will not make this mistake moving up to the I7 12700k. Thanks
@welshman20112 жыл бұрын
So what you going to do when your 2070 super fails on you? because I can honestly tell you I got a 12600k paired with a gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc and I've currently had to RMA the GPU due to issues so paying a tiny bit extra for the K variant is well worth it and is an absolute life saver, as the IGPU plays alot of AAA games like RDR2, GTA5, aswell as FH4/5, Forza Motorsport 7 , COD, CSGO and tomb raider. As well as it responds extremely well once overclocked offering upto 60% more performance. So upgrading to a k variant 12700k (depending on what resolution you play) is well worth the upgrade. Not only that I came from a 9600k and the performance difference compared to a 12600k is phenomenal.
@emissarygw22642 жыл бұрын
@@welshman2011 guess that comes down to bad luck and redundancy.. I have the same card and it's been rock solid so it's not been an issue for me. but I guess if it died I'd be pretty pissed
@mountaindew2672 жыл бұрын
@@emissarygw2264 If it ever died, you could pick up a used low grade graphics card equivalent to the IGPU for like $40 on FB marketplace. Even in today's market.
@griefy45552 жыл бұрын
@@welshman2011 Are you huffing glue? K variants only offer a 5% performance boost over non K, don't know where you are getting 60%. Also intel iGPU's can't play most demanding 3d games so you're obviously lying again! You should always have one or two backup gpu's just incase your primary one fails, anyone who is serious about computers/gaming knows that... Also Nvidia NVENC completely destroys this iGPU in rendering times, don't be a conformist sheep and listen to everything this clown tech reviewer says, learn to do research and think for yourself!
@danzenjrYT Жыл бұрын
The site I'm buying a pc from only offers the i9-12900KF so I have no choice
@jefke12321 Жыл бұрын
getting a non F will not give you more performance. the only real reason to getting a non-F is when you have to troubleshoot a gpu problem
@mattscomp2 жыл бұрын
Well done on saying this 👏✅ It makes much sense. Take the CPU with IGP every time I say. Especially with 12500 and up. Don't pass on that inbuilt goodness especially when it costs so very little extra.
@TheeDeathCaster2 жыл бұрын
Which is better to go with in terms of CPU and not integrated graphics, the i7-12700 or 5700g? I'm looking into a computer that would support programs such as Visual Studio (not Code) and Unity for context. What would be the pros and cons of both processors?
@garrymcdonald5456 Жыл бұрын
What did you go with as cant decide either, I just wished 5700g supported m.2 4.0 PCIe which is twice as fast as 3.0 then for sure I would go with the AMD.
@TheeDeathCaster Жыл бұрын
@@garrymcdonald5456 Still running on my old machine unfortunately.
@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen Жыл бұрын
Oh! this is new information for me. I always used to think IGPU gets deactivated after you plugging in the graphics card.😳
@PhilUKNet2 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this channel. Excellent, very relevant information. Thank you!
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
🙂😇
@coachjsu2 жыл бұрын
I got the 12900k, but I don't know if I have my prefrences in premiere pro configured properly to use the igpu. Could you do a premiere pro 2022 guide for 12th gen cpus. Cheers - J
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@xmj68302 жыл бұрын
Yes please, I need to know that too
@patientfourtwozero27142 жыл бұрын
I actually got a 12700k when I'm only planning on using my PC for gaming and some fairly basic office work tasks . In these current times of GPU shortages and inflated prices, it seemed fairly sensible for the relatively small price difference. If my 30 series GPU has to go for repair or I want to sell it for a future upgrade, this way I still have a working PC. I've heard some terrible tales of delays with RMAs due to supply issues. An entirely unusable PC whilst waiting is something I'll pay to avoid.
@alphaomega19692 жыл бұрын
Intel cpu are not designed for gaming, AMD is designed for gaming and creator.
@samhawkins77652 жыл бұрын
@@alphaomega1969 the entire k series is for overclocking what other practical/ sensible work related applications does that have
@henson2k2 жыл бұрын
@@alphaomega1969 LOL Intel CPUs are great for everything, same as AMD, but requires more power
@DonovanSteyn2 жыл бұрын
Got a 12700K. The iGPU kicks ass and it was very useful for troubleshooting my GPU
@KassemMahmoud Жыл бұрын
Message from the future for those who are searching to buy a cpu: DON'T F*CKING BUY THE *KF* SERIES!! (it's horrible)
@JGZphotography2 жыл бұрын
You might want to rethink using a graphics card in PS or LR software, particularly for rendering changed images processing third party denoise or sharpening application inside and for these Adobe products. Without the graphics card and relying on the internal CPU graphics engine can be fruital with wait times 10 -15 time longer for specific rendering. Anyone working in video will have a PC workstation with a good video card. The bottom line for most PC users in all forms of imaging MUST use a good graphics card-most medium to high hend PCs and laptops use a graphics card for support.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Although when I've benchmarked PCs with iGPU vs dGPU, I've seen no performance difference in LRC and PS. have a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWTFc2p9p7-kpLM
@Genjokoan2 жыл бұрын
You may find that in *many* applications, the I-5 outperforms the I-7 and sometimes even the I-9.
@khairudinanshari53232 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@marijankatic95912 жыл бұрын
What if I have a motherboard with an integrated GPU? How do these stack up against IG on CPU?
@neild108 Жыл бұрын
What about the mobile 12th-gen processors? I notice that, for example, the mobile Intel Core i7 12650H seemingly has a better i-gpu than does the desktop Core i7 12600K (Intel Iris Xe Graphics (64EU) vs. the Intel UHD Graphics 770), but does this necessarily mean that it also has effective encoders/decoders for work with the 10 bit 422 - h.264 and h.265 files? Thanks!
@randomtv1512 Жыл бұрын
Moment of silence for people who already bought the KF version and watching this video.............
@skweetis2 жыл бұрын
GPU acceleration support in photoshop/lightroom/etc does exist, so the statement that "GPU does ZERO for your photoshop" is incorrect. GPU acceleration, however, is limited to certain 3D effects (which are in line to be deprecated and moved into the Substance 3D product line). For what it's worth, Substance 3D does not use the iGPU for anything, and requires a decent GPU.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
That's true, but in practice the difference between 3050 and 3090 is 2% which could be within the margin of error, so yes you do get extra performance with the dGPU, but I've done tests with just iGPU and the benchmark results in PS have not been any different.
@belikeh4rry2172 жыл бұрын
we need that dislike button back
@PabzRoz2 жыл бұрын
it is back get the extension bro come on now. this video has 2.2k dislikes lol.
@daddyharry79562 жыл бұрын
@@PabzRoz not phone tho (
@Arumtaka2 жыл бұрын
for music production, iGPU is more than enough.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@patrick.7712 жыл бұрын
Biggest mistake is that many buy CPUs they don’t need. Most creators are fine with a i5 CPU and don’t need a i7. And many companies try to make extra profit by recommending waaayyy to over-speced systems.
@zhuzhu9599 Жыл бұрын
Which is the best budget cpu
@xenius77702 жыл бұрын
I'm doing gaming only, not streaming either and not content creation so idk how a non F cpu would help me. Although it's rare some people still game on on Maxwell gpus, it's 8 years old and still not dead. Be in a case where you'd don't have any gpu seems extremely rare except for incidents. I prefer putting these 20$ in a better mobo or cooling that on an igp.
@Wigglythegreat22 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is very informative and interesting. I am looking at upgrading to the i7 12700 and don't know much about what the k version adds to the package, but you helped me to understand that it is worth it to get the k version. I do some gaming, but also do some video editing and such so it can't hurt to get the k version. These past 6 months I have been upgrading some computer parts and I am just needing the CPU, Motherboard and Ram to complete my upgrade process. I have already upgraded to a new BeQuiet 802 case, WD Black NVME and Samsung SSDs, Geforce 3060, Corsair 850 watt power supply, Noctua cooler and Noctua 140mm fans. I just need to figure the right motherboard and ram combo to go with the 12700k and not break the bank too.
@Vendemiair2 жыл бұрын
I'd pick a Z690-based motherboard; even the lower-end ones aren't much different from the mid- and top-tier mobos performance-wise. A H670-based mobo would work too but note that it doesn't support CPU overclocking, so don't pick a H670 mobo if you plan to OC. Unless the H670 board is priced significantly cheaper than the Z690 board I'd still go for the latter, even if you don't plan to overclock now since you can actually OC in the future so you can squeeze a little more performance and delay the next CPU upgrade. Also, you'll be faced with the dilemma of investing in DDR5 RAM which is still expensive OR using the older but cheaper DDR4 RAM (especially if you're upgrading as opposed to building an all-new system). At present, DDR5 shows little performance benefit compared to DDR4 for most workloads so if cost is a major factor then DDR4 is definitely more attractive.
@Wigglythegreat22 жыл бұрын
@@Vendemiair Hello and thank you for your reply. I am looking at z690 boards now, I just don't know the best one for about $300. I think DDR4 is the way to go for me right now.
@Vendemiair2 жыл бұрын
@@Wigglythegreat2 My approach is to look at the detailed specs of each motherboard I'm considering (these are available on the manufacturer's website). Then I compare these specs side-by-side and look for the best features for the price and/or which features are important for me. The specs should be mostly similar across Z690 boards of the same price bracket but might differ in things like power phases for the VRM or total current supported (e.g. 70 amps), for both of which more is better. It might also differ in less technical specs like number and kind of USB ports, number of SATA ports, number of M.2 slots, etc.
@Wigglythegreat22 жыл бұрын
@@Vendemiair Thanks for your input. I will take all suggestions into account when choosing.
@HayyanPro1672 жыл бұрын
@@Vendemiair I got ddr5 since 6 years ago I also got ddr4 when it first came out. The ddr4 lasted a long time before this years upgrades. Of course, ddr5 is still very overpriced and I would wait like 5-6 months before getting ddr5 since right now the price is still high. For a short term (1-2 years) ddr4 still should be enough, but I’d encourage to get ddr5 if you can for future proofing
@francocomelli81372 жыл бұрын
If you are a render developer and you already have a GPU, is it more advisable to also opt for a version without F?
@MGOFor3ver2 жыл бұрын
Having a integrated graphics is good if you aren't buying a expensive gpu soon, or if your actual gpu dies for no reason. With the K series you have no video at all without a gpu. A gpu can fail, and probably will do someday.
@chickenfried122 жыл бұрын
@@MGOFor3ver *F not K
@MGOFor3ver2 жыл бұрын
@@chickenfried12 You're right, my mistake.
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
@@MGOFor3ver For the same price difference you can get a decent discrete graphics card tho and you can use it even after you upgrade your CPU potentially saving you quite a bit of money especially if you upgrade somewhat frequently
@j.d.4697 Жыл бұрын
Huh, how does an IGPU give your system more performance when you only use a dedicated GPU?
@soanfn6 ай бұрын
I have the same question lol, it doesnt have any sense bc windows only process graphics from the external GPU
@DragoMorke2 жыл бұрын
I think you really need to be more specific with which applications and tasks you get more performance with iCPU. Not all creative programs or suits support it I assume? Being a Creator does not automatically mean it has to do with Videos but also 3d Moddeling or Working with Music like composing.
@Ullron2 жыл бұрын
Be careful when purchasing a custom spec'd PC on builder sites. I ordered a 10900K but actually got the 10900KF. I didn't receive my PC for 3 months due to Origin waiting on restocks for the case and GPUs (late 2020). Wish I knew the differences so I could of have them fixed it.
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that!
@garfieldthomas81187 ай бұрын
@@theTechNotice When you say the iGPU is good for "creators" I'm assuming the same can be said for CAD/CAM software, true?
@paul_ko2 жыл бұрын
You're gaining exactly 0 when it comes to CPU processing power, F-CPUs are even a bit more powerful. So if you got a decent graphics card you don't need a non-F CPU AT ALL cause the internal GPU is disabled anyway.
@mandantesnick74622 жыл бұрын
How about if you stream bro ? Is there any difference?
@ci.hardware.ic3d2 жыл бұрын
if you want to use just the IGP or IGB, make sure you have lots of physical memory.
@Thorgue2 жыл бұрын
This entire vid could have been 30 seconds: Don't buy a Intel processor with an F in there if you are a visual creator.
@angeloyanke1502 жыл бұрын
6:47 Are these parameters regarding Premier and the loads divided onto the igpu and the gpu automatic, or do you have to manually set this up?
@theTechNotice2 жыл бұрын
Automatic when drivers are up to date :)
@Sunshine404f Жыл бұрын
6k likes and 4k dislikes, lol
@SaviorGuru Жыл бұрын
Why would we need built-in GPU where we can use dedicated GPU? I use Resolve.
@mohammedaazam1718 Жыл бұрын
This is the best information that you had given for many of people.... this facts to know the selection of Processors...... Thanks a lot... I was searching this information since a year....
@kcgunesq2 жыл бұрын
"F" chips exist for one simple reason: they occur during the fab process by accident and OEM/system integrators are willing to buy them at a slight discount because a few bucks times thousands of sales equals lots of extra profit. No hobby builder should buy them unless they are at a substantial discount to the non-F variant, IMHO.
@mr.cleanmachine86732 жыл бұрын
Lol I got my kf when the k was on sale and I still saved 100 on kf only paid 162
@zk0rned4 ай бұрын
No, if you're buying a discrete graphics card do not buy a non F CPU
@ionamygdalon22632 жыл бұрын
Would you ever consider a NON K variant? The 12900 and the 12700 do include the iGPU but have a much lower TDP. Does the (considerably) lower TDP also guarantee a considerably lower temperature of operation when on full load? In theory, one could chose the 12700 over the 12600K or chose the 12900 over the 12700K. Having seriously high temps is an issue, especially for smaller builds and perhaps for those living in much warmer climates. Thank you very much in advance!
@chriso81932 жыл бұрын
It's sad that everyone does videos for gaming, but never mention music production. Everyone doesn't play video games and do graphics.
@shagadelic3000 Жыл бұрын
There are many sound card reviews you should check out. Or get a motherboard with good inbuilt sound features.
@jeremytitus65752 жыл бұрын
Super informative! Thanks mate ✌️
@emili89272 жыл бұрын
I only just found this video but I can't over state that I literally chose the i9-12900k over the kf because it's media encoder engines (which it has 2 of) have better formats, quality and speed over my radeon gpus single encoder engine
@ciddax7542 жыл бұрын
For gamers that like to overclock the F variants are attractive because they deliver slightly better results. We are speaking about 2 or 3%. While I personally really love the fall back option of an onboard graphics card, I can understand, why some folks want the F version. If you are really after those overclocking records, then go for it. In that case 2% can be huge. But if you only want get some extra percent performance out of your gaming rig, stay away from those F version as they have the plague. That IGPU is worth it's weight in gold when overclocking your graphic card.
@PitchfanTheory2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanmacias9266 have the same question hmmm ^^
@Ouioui5552 жыл бұрын
It doesnt help if u have a dedicated graphics card.
@dzemperator2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanmacias9266 didn't get an answer yet?
@cuasimodus12 жыл бұрын
the best renders of engineers or videos, it is always much better with a good video card, the integrated video almost never lives up to expectations
@Kevlexicon2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the help! diggin ur channel, to the point and good production values
@OlympicBruce2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly useful info! Not only why to avoid F or KF for creators (which avoid wasting $300 by mistake) but also why you may not need to waste $1000 on a dedicated video card!! Thank you!!
@art_means_artificial2 жыл бұрын
integrated graphic makes your chip and motherboard much hotter! if you have got a good GPU you don't need any integrated gpu
@IndraBuanaCom2 жыл бұрын
@@art_means_artificial GPU is making your overall system hotter and 'leaking' some power too
@numbersix94772 жыл бұрын
@@art_means_artificial You didn't watch the video, did you?
@jaywalker.2 жыл бұрын
@@numbersix9477 😆
@G0UDG2 жыл бұрын
Sticking with AMD fer my creator build far quicker fer high end rendering and editing
@zihechen31112 жыл бұрын
And spend half of ur time fixing the amd bugs
@zihechen31112 жыл бұрын
Like whea 18 19. Or crash if u trun virtual ram off. Amd is fast but give u problems. If u have not that much time to figure out the solution of the problems. Just go intel
@G0UDG2 жыл бұрын
@ZIHE Chen my Build is threadripper pro build fer high end 4k video
@zihechen31112 жыл бұрын
@@G0UDG threadripper pro has a lot of issue. I have heard a lot of complains from other creators. Luckily u r fine with it.
@G0UDG2 жыл бұрын
@ZIHE Chen with respect I haven't seen any complaints about threadripper pro I think yer trolling the video chat
@Nava4Gamingz Жыл бұрын
Learned PC Builder will say "What the F??"
@Executor4163 ай бұрын
> Don't buy the KF version. Absolutely 180 degrees wrong! Nothing beats a dedicated GPU FOR CREATORS! The iGPU's are for low-end systems with uses such as lower-power gaming and office work. To the channel owner: why the hell are you suggesting this misinformation? Does Intel/AMD pay you to market their unsold CPU's?
@PeterJohnson762 жыл бұрын
I've just ordered a new PC, 5.2GHz i9 / 3080 Ti OC system that cost a lot of money, and I opted for the Intel Core i9 12900KF Processor at $819. The only difference in the $829 Intel Core i9 12900K Processor ($10 more) was integrated graphics, who's functionality lies complete redundant next to my RTX 3080Ti and is my understanding the iGPU complete disables itself with the presence of a dedicated GPU. . In the event I ever have an issue wit my new GPU, then I'll slot in my older one. However, you have mentioned they can work in tandem so ive just revised order for the K version
@Humshkin2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 🥺 So glad I found this as I'm about to buy.
@aasciutti2 ай бұрын
Saved me. I was about to buy a KF. Thought to give an extra research.
@prasannakumar2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed and sitting right next to that bell. What a content video !!!!