Creators, PLEASE DON'T Make This Mistake When Buying Intel 12th Gen! ❗❗

[@theTechNotice]

Here's the Part 2 of this video with some benchmarks: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqDZg6ejid2dq6c

[@Kiyantha]

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[@revanvonheaven8270]

Hi Tech Notice I have an Rtx3060 I7 10750 125W CPU Acer Predator Hellios 300 315 53 71HN anyway my question to you is there a laptop version of the CPU I9 12900HK something unlocked my reason for wanting to update this is I want my machine to be able to keep up with Macbook pro M1 pro so that is my reason I want to bring it on the same level plus I intend to do some overclocking Add more memory a wifi 6e card and add Two new M2 anyway I need the HK is there a laptop version because I have seen them in MSI I hardly doubt it is a desktop version!.

[@revanvonheaven8270]

No I want an extra integrated GPU even as a gamer more power more infinite computing power

[@aravindraja8034]

What about AMD APU?

[@JayzBeerz]

I always buy CPU's with IGPU cause you never know when your DGPU will take a dump.

[@fjalls]

Im on Ryzen and the "G" linup isnt as good as the "normal" ones. I have a 710 and an 1080 as a backup if that would happen

[@stigrabbid589]

If you use AMD GPUs and have a compatible Ryzen CPU with IGPU you can use the integrated graphics to boost the graphics performance.

[@canadianwildlifeservice8883]

I always keep a roll of toilet paper next to the GPU just in case.

[@monke6912]

@@stigrabbid589 so i can make beast whit newest amd gpu and ddr5 64 gpu

[@the1whokill518]

Same tbh, also makes it simple when building a whole new system, gpu isn't posting/needs software. We'll the cpu igpu should work enough to diagnose the issue.

[@AMGG]

I'm on 13700KF and I have no problem.

[@notREDi]

he's just crying don't mind him

[@wojtas2524]

That aged extremely bad

[@madphotography6119]

I gave two option i7 13700K Vs i9 13900KF For almost same price Which one I should go first????

[@enduringwave87]

Thank you so much. You made choosing between different variants of the 12th Gen i7 CPUs far much easier. I had been looking at KF version since it's a little cheaper and I am too narrow on budget.

[@kleptokratija]

12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?

[@Judaea98]

@@kleptokratija KF is much better for gaming.

[@kleptokratija]

@@Judaea98 I don't care too much about gaming, mostly video editing, adobe apps, I need powerful enough PC for my work, and casual gaming, but definitely not a priority.

[@colinmusgrave]

@@Judaea98 no its not f is more for editing and stuff k is for gaming kf is for both so k is better

[@koenigseggone1803]

@@colinmusgrave the f just means it doesn't have integrated graphics, and k means it's overclockable

[@Zooptopus27]

If you're going to be using a dedicated GPU, then don't even bother with the upgrade imo. A dedicated GPU and integrated GPU will not work together on the same task, so there's literally no point. Pretty much anyone with a dedicated GPU in the creator scene will have a high end GPU, and the iGPU will not come close to the kind of power the dGPU has. The only benefit from using the iGPU is having an extra display port when needed, and when you're going to troubleshoot something without a dedicated GPU.

[@sirvz]

This... I find this video very non sense for video creation. Even if the encoder maybe better, most people edit in raw or log anyways. So those encoder is still useless. I still have a non f just in case anything goes wrong.

[@PhotoOwl]

I wish Ryzen had something similar. Btw I bought another 32GB of RAM as you recommended, and I'm glad I did. Thanks! (you might remember me from your stream)

[@theTechNotice]

😉👍

[@zerotactix5739]

Ryzen does have igpus on few CPUs. For example the 2400G, 3400G and the new 5700G with 8 cores and 16 threads. And can play any game. The newer ones on lower settings obviously.

[@PhotoOwl]

@@zerotactix5739 Can it help with video editing? I suppose it can't

[@art_means_artificial]

integrated graphic makes your chip and motherboard much hotter! if you have got a good GPU you don't need any integrated gpu

[@icewallowcome_daily9802]

@@zerotactix5739 The only downside of the Ryzen G processors is it can't perform any better than intel if you paired it with a dedicated GPU

[@rcha2024]

Dude !! this guy has no idea what he's talking about !!

[@belikeh4rry217]

thats why we need youtube dislike back

[@griefy4555]

Tired of seeing clowns telling people to get the iGPU, you can literally buy an older gpu like the GTX 680 for almost the same price, which will completely destroy the shitty iGPU, also I'd highly doubt anyone would notice the extra 10%-20% performance from using Quick Sync in Video Rendering, F series processors offer the best value for money, this is the first and last video I'll watch from you, stop spreading misinformation!

[@theTechNotice]

FYI, the iGPU on 12th gen (UHD770) with Intel quick sync can give you extra 100+% performance, depending on codecs you're using for video editing ;)

[@zk0rned]

@@theTechNotice I cannot find anything to substantiate that claim but iGPUs especially Intel ones aren't particularly great at anything and the dGPU is supposed to do that work whilst the CPU handles everything else I've looked through tons of posts and articles tried different search terms and no you're wrong, ofc I already knew this but I gave you the benefit of the doubt lol

[@Z0o0L]

as a gamer i bought the 12400f also its better for power consumption but i got ur point...however i think there are more gamers than photographers^^so the f variant in a budget gaming build is and will be the way to go i think^^

[@s7evenTV]

agreed, did the same thing

[@Youuuuuu]

no thats braindead saving 10 dollars is not worth it stop coping with your bad decision

[@hetfield_75]

@@TheUnknownVideographer unless overclocked....i think the 12400f will do fine a f

[@prodigalpowtato2597]

Just saw this video but I already built my PC. Luckily I saw a Reddit comment about the meaning of the different letter "suffixes" on Intel CPUs while I was looking at PC parts. There's really a need for more information on this topic. Thanks for making this video!

[@Vendemiair]

The worst mistake you'll make is getting the F version and NOT having a dedicated GPU, meaning you won't be able to use your PC at all. I often play games and use Photoshop occasionally but almost never work on videos, so I wouldn't be averse to getting the KF variant to save some money. That said, having onboard graphics is good for troubleshooting a faulty GPU though, and if ever it conks out at least you'll still be able to use your computer while waiting for a replacement.

[@josephwilson8391]

Slap a dirt cheap gpu into it if one is having issues with it. I don't recommend paying a 100 dollars more for the K version. That's idiotic and also paranoia. I've had my Ryzen 7 3700x for two years and I have never once had issues with it not having integrated graphics. I have a bunch of spare gpus. I guess that makes me weird?

[@stevenross-watt8640]

@@josephwilson8391 same. I have 9900kf and no issues at all having no onboard. Just pre order 13700kf to replace it. I'm happy and continue to be happy. Mainly gaming and occasionally streaming.

[@kleptokratija]

12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? I'm not afraid of faulty GPU because I will buy a brand new one. Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?

[@stevenross-watt8640]

@@kleptokratija of course it is. There are some benefits of having onboard graphics but I've never needed them in years.

[@southernaviator7010]

@@stevenross-watt8640 does having the F variant effect live streaming performance at all? Will it slow my game FPS down in any way? I live stream sim racing and I'm trying to understand if this will slow down my fps or live stream.

[@DdxNabil]

1:00 dont go with f variant 2:00 dont go with f variant 3:00 dont go with f variant 4:00 dont go with f variant 5:00 dont go with f variant 6:00 dont go with f variant 7:00 dont go with f variant 8:00 dont go with f variant

[@angeld7849]

Get help

[@malcomnotinthemiddle343]

I think gamers should still get the k version instead of kf because it’s really helpful in troubleshooting graphics card problems. If you don’t have igpu you’ve got to source another gpu to confirm the problems are actually the gpu and not something else

[@redclaw72666]

Soo your saying if anyone buys a $1500 GPU meaning it will die eventually lol yikes 😅

[@mikem9536]

@@redclaw72666I've never had a GPU die on me, but I never overclock and I run vsync so I rarely use 100% GPU power.

[@zk0rned]

No, they really shouldn't you don't need a fancy GPU for a display output you can save a lot of money just by buying an old GPU for like pennies and save a lot of money especially if you upgrade as often as I do, you'd be flushing away money for an issue that isn't likely to happen for legit no reason

[@jeanbob8716]

Don"t listen to this dude. Buy a proper graphic processor and save money with a KF. There is no way you will be happy rendering scenes with your integrated gpu.

[@BravoSixGoingDark]

I disagree with your assessment, iGPU is important, if your dedicated graphics card goes down, at least you have a backup to tide you while your card goes on a warranty replacement. Never underestimate how important an iGPU is when you need to use your pc for daily normal usage.

[@leafbelly]

@@BravoSixGoingDarkThen, what if you already have an extra GPU lying around?

[@BravoSixGoingDark]

@@leafbelly What happens if that extra GPU has weird unspecified crashing problems? I would say it's still best to have an iGPU as a fallback plan. Sure you pay a few dollars more. I would take that deal.

[@zk0rned]

@@BravoSixGoingDark I mean you could just order a 5 dollar card and save $45 so I don't get your point?

[@y_zass]

Well said! This is why I bought the i5 12500 too. I don't have a GPU yet, I planned on getting an Intel Arc A750 but we see how that went. Now I'm stalking Best Buy for a 3060ti founders at msrp

[@rudramukherjee9979]

How is the editing performance with the igpu only?

[@angeld7849]

The question is.. why Intel made a variant without integrated graphics (F)? is like to buy a phone without battery 🤦‍♂️

[@notallgarbage]

Bought a 10100F for my daughter. She has a GTX 1050 ti. I could not care less for the iGPU I passed on. Who cares? I saved money. She's going to upgrade to a GTX 1660 Super soon... who cares for the iGPU. Seriously. No reason to buy it. NONE.

[@chrlmlln9018]

A warm THANK to you for your advice and cavation to not choose the "F"-version! Wishing you all the best, and stay blessed and healthy! Best regards from Sweden!

[@HR-wd6cw]

Regardless of what generation, you should always check to see if the CPU includes processor graphics! Intel has been doing this since about the Intel Core 2000-series CPUs which some (such as the K and X models) didn't have integrated graphics.

[@poopoppy]

I bought my first pc with an 12 gen F chip. I didn't know what the F meant. I had to swap it out. I don't understand the point of an F chip. Just pay the little bit extra.

[@SianaGearz]

It's not actually advised to use the iGPU media engine for stream encoding with OBS in gaming, because you incur bus contention. It's advised to keep everything within the single GPU, capture, compositing and encoding. The encoder is actually dedicated silicon and it doesn't have a performance impact. Capture and compositing do have a performance impact, but trying to capture across different GPUs is even worse, plus it's an absolute torture to get working. iGPU encoding is easy to set up but bad when system bus is already under heavy load.

[@pixels_per_inch]

Exactly. You'd get worse performance using the iGPU to encode than just using the dedicated NVENC.

[@Genjokoan]

My experience with Gen 10 CPUs agree with your results, though the improvement is not that large. PS: Your "product placement" was, shall we say, was totally obvious. ;)

[@Motscoud]

I'm a 3D artist, and honestly picked the F variant. I was formerly on a Ryzen 5 without internal graphics either, so I don't really see a loss if I lose the iGPU. An iGPU won't help Blender renders, or even my dedicated GPU, CPU is best for Cycles for me.

[@sturenorth]

This, I don´t even get why this youtuber goes out of his way to misrepresent what the CPU does for performance.

[@Motscoud]

@@sturenorth I get his argument... if people building rigs for creative work weren't installing an NVidia, or AMD GPU lol

[@theTechNotice]

Thanks for your comments guys. Have a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3-Qqp-sfsd8pLM Hopefully this helps. :)

[@Motscoud]

@@theTechNotice I mean, I'm assuming this is a copy paste, because Video Rendering and 3D Ray Tracing are completely different beasts. Intel QuickSync and the internal iGPU once again... pretty useless. Actually been meaning to pick up a RTX card, as CyclesX can use that lol

[@positrack99]

This video is bad advice. Keep the graphics on the GPU.

[@jublywubly]

I used the same criteria for narrowing down my search for i7 CPUs, I got down to two gen 12s and only one gen 13. It'd be crazy not to get a CPU with built in GPU capabilities. I don't know what people do if their graphics card fails. They won't be able to do anything with their computer, not even do some diagnostics to see if it is just their graphics card that's faulty. I wish it were so easy to search through motherboards.

[@leafbelly]

You pop in another graphics card if it fails. If you're someone, like me, who has several older GPUs sitting around, getting non-F version is a complete waste of money. I was able to get a KF version of a 12700 for $50 less on sale.

[@FielValeryRTS]

Me looking at my i5 2500: *This beauty is fine*

[@GhotiBone]

I'm 8 months late, but... I'm streaming at 1080p with a Dell Studio XPS 9100 MoBo, an i7 970k (not overclocked), and a GTX 1050Ti, 16GB DDR3 RAM, on Win10. It's crazy to think that it works as great as it does, wasn't expecting when I picked up the build for $100.

[@Jose.A.Acevedo]

I'm glad I found your channel. I started editing my very first video using a 10 year old laptop and it's a pain. Time to upgrade and build my very first pc. Thanks for the advice!

[@johndicus123]

I like that he concentrates on creation-machines, not gaming-machines. I got 64GB RAM mostly due to his advice, and my 5950X. I run my machine 24/7 full-steam and have had no issues.

[@teeaymusik9811]

For what did u settle? I think an i9 is just TOO much power and too expensive, also as the best i7. I maybe go for a i5. I do video editing too (music videos) and have a RX 570 8GB from sapphire.

[@teeaymusik9811]

@@johndicus123 For what in the hell you need 64GB ram?

[@ConstructionKronies]

I've been Intel all my life over 30 years of building PCs, I just bought my first AMD, a Ryzen 9 5950x and I couldn't be happier as a creator who works with BRAW it's an amazing chip. Intel has pooped the bed.

[@sovu9399]

not the bed, but the whole AMD factory.

[@portman8909]

@Sven Sigrun You’re comparing intel to the previous AMD chip without v cache.

[@neolordie]

ah yes, creators : photographers, video editors and streamers, 3d modeling ? coding ? others ?

[@ScottishForce]

Why would you use igpu for video editing you need a dedicated GPU?

[@solarmonk]

Thank you SO MUCH for informing us beginners.. I just recently picked up the dreaded 'F' chip. As an artist and creator I wanted a fast I9- not knowing F was any different and only saving $40. I was casually watching this video while working and jumped up to do the fastest return request I've ever made. Thank you for saving my build!!! Right one coming in same day thanks to Amazon.

[@zk0rned]

The iGPU isn't very good though you're better off using that 40 dollars towards a better card and sorry man but this guy definitely sold you some bad info nobody uses the iGPU for anything especially if they have an i9, people that buy the i9 tend to at least have an RTX 3080 in their system that completely shits on any iGPU currently in the market

[@yoshyusmc]

Very interesting about the point you are making. My question is if you rather use igpu, don’t you have to go back into bios to change the discreet gpu setting? Aren’t they mutually exclusive? Plus not to mention having to switch the dsp plug?

[@galihAX]

you can always set the dual display on... having both iGPU and discrete stays on

[@maridaudran]

You spent the entire video speaking about the Intel IGPU and non-IGPU variants, what was the point of placing the AMD RYZEN CPU boxes so prominently in the camera view?

[@LinkSquish]

On Jan 4th 2022 I got the Intel 12th gen i9-12900K & ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi D4 mainboard For my first build. That board has Display Port & HDMI out. I knew about F, K & KF. I made sure to get the K even though I have a dedicated GPU. In my situation, it was because what if my GPU fails & I need something to get by. And I know it helps in performance.

[@SkateClipsAndTips]

Benefit for having integrated graphics on a cpu is if your gpu stops working, you have a backup to troubleshoot. Not everyone has a 2nd gpu on hand

[@de_struction58]

The problem is Im on a budget and I dont want to spend 50$ more on a cpu

[@rajeevchowbey2969]

Like my GT 710 never had a issue in 7 years so I am really not understanding how modern ones stop working

[@RetroPlus]

@@rajeevchowbey2969 I assume people aren't cooling them properly, overheated GPUs die much quicker

[@shadowalphaop5238]

If you don't know the main purpose of going with the F version is that you are going to get a good gpu and not waste money on the igpu

[@chachaG-le9yd]

Exactly

[@NE_Pigeons]

I made this mistake... ordered the kf 😅 Switching over to the k version now! Thanks! 👍

[@RobertGriffith9]

Even for a gamer, if something goes wrong with your graphics card and you have an -F processor, you're completely stuck until you can put another GPU in, while the regular processor with iGPU will allow normal use of the computer in the meantime.

[@KDuB9I6]

If you have a graphics card (which most content creators have), then save some money and go with the "F" version. There is no performance difference between the 2, the only difference is the "F" version does not have a GPU built in. Why would you use encoders on the CPU if you have a dedicated graphics card?? Lol thats pointless, just taking more resources from the CPU.

[@theTechNotice]

My friend, you are misinformed. The igpu can work together with your dGPU. The UHD770 has better encoders than on the rtx 3090. And the difference is HUGE! For example NVENC does not currently offer support for h.265 10 bit 4.2.2, yet UHD770 does. ;)

[@KDuB9I6]

@@theTechNotice deleting my comment? Lol that link I posted compares over 500 12700f vs 12700 user CPU benchmarks against each other..... Showing no difference

[@theTechNotice]

I never delete comments, posting links on KZbin comments triggers them automatically and they go under the 'review' section and not public. :) But on the 12700 vs 12700F benchmarks was the iGPU turned on in BIOS when benchmarking the CPUs? Coz I can see a huge difference in my benchmarks in video editing especially timeline performance. :)

[@ab999852]

having igpu might be useful in the future where you repurpose the CPU for other workload type. for example, my old gaming rig is now running my nas server. with igpu inside, i don't need to install any dedicated cards occupying precious pci-e slots. furthermore, should you decide to sell it in the future, you can appeal to more potential market

[@gentleboss6662]

For me, I will still buy with the igpu especially when I don't have a backup PC / Laptop especially when the gpu starts not to run (broke).

[@TheGameBest7]

I want to make something very clear. I have a i7 12700k, for rendering and for recording the integrated graphics are dog water, even for 1080p it has a noticeable blur a way better gpu is the gtx 1660 which has a great encoder. The only reason i got the K and not the KF was bc if my gpu dies I have one in the cpu where i can see output.

[@nolyfe4814]

Question as you still using integrated graphics? If not do you still notice any blur?

[@zk0rned]

I recommend just snagging an old graphics card off of eBay for like 5 dollars it'll save you so so much money if that's your concern

[@TheGameBest7]

@@zk0rned if you can get a decent gpu for $5 I will be impressed

[@TheGameBest7]

@@nolyfe4814 you can use the cpu for content on the desktop or in a browser. It gets real bad when gaming for example.

[@zk0rned]

@@TheGameBest7 you shouldn't be because that's not the reason to get an iGPU either because they're ass? Especially Intel iGPUs you can either get a card for five dollars that's good enough to run diagnostics or browse the internet until your new one comes in or spend the money you'd save with an F CPU and get better performance than you would with an iGPU either way the iGPU loses

[@murielaraujo6282]

Heyy man, i think you just saved my life. I'm an profissional editor who needs a computer for some simple edits at home, i was going to buy i3 12100f and a GTX 1660 Super. Now i think i will save some more money for that i5 12600k.

[@Vitaliuz]

If you're thinking about shoving an ad after a filler "intro" - then ... we need to have this chat.

[@87Edvin]

I'm upgrading from Ryzen 1600. Bought the 12700K because the price on GC is still crazy. We will see how the integrated graphics hold up to some 3d modeling tasks in Fusion 360, Blender, 3ds Max and Revit.

[@theinsurgent8309]

how does it hold up tho ?

[@87Edvin]

@@theinsurgent8309 it's doing good. Happy with the overall performance, but its not a long time solution for sure.

[@JaiJai177]

Dude I’m using 1700x and 1080 for 4K editing and don’t seem to need an upgrade at all. 64gb ram at 3200 I’m in the 98th percentile on user bench mark. 95% across the board. Upgrading would be an ego move. Gtav run at 65 steady at max graphics

[@mr.lunatic3157]

@@JaiJai177 editing/gaming and 3d designing are different 3d modeling needs a good cpu even though it needs a good graphic card when rendering ....gaming needs a better gpu overall ...

[@Imufur]

I usually buy non F just in case something happens to my actual gpu but its nice to know it gives some performance too

[@serolog2]

Same thinking here

[@DeathStriker88]

Same for me too. Only iGPU fulfills that safety & emergency needs

[@ezekielarias2743]

Does non F add power to frames

[@DeathStriker88]

@@ezekielarias2743 if you mean in-game fps then non-f give bite more fps than f versions

[@davolthe1261]

@@ezekielarias2743 I think not, like at all

[@marcosaurus80]

Shouldn’t the dedicated graphic card be doing the computation?

[@pixels_per_inch]

Not really a good advice. If you are planning to add a dedicated GPU, the iGPU is mostly useless. Intel's QuickSync performs nearly identical to Nvidia's NEVNC when encoding in video editing software. For streaming, the benefits of offloading the encoding to your iGPU are negated by the latency of copying the frames from the GPU to your iGPU. You actually get more performance encoding directly on your dedicated GPU since NVENC encoding is done directly on the GPU die and it only needs to send back encoded frames.

[@theTechNotice]

Actually Quicksync is much better than NVENC at the moment, the uhd770 supports more codecs than NVENC. :)

[@adamstrachn]

This was incredibly useful for me. I do an extensive amount of Lightroom/Photoshop & had no idea about the variant issues. Thanks for the information, as I'll know what to look for in my next workstation.

[@AniketWakade]

Biggest thing is if your GPU goes for RMA (repair) it might take 1-2 weeks and in that time you can use the integrated intel graphics for display

[@theTechNotice]

Good point!

[@welshman2011]

Exactly! I'd never buy a CPU without integrated graphics and it's now paying off as I've had to RMA my 2070 super due to display issues... Yea ok gaming isn't that great on the uhd770 with a 12600k especially when Forza horizon 4 only achieves a whopping 27fps on low settings and rdr2 in 720p with the same FPS 🤣 but still I'm able to play games to keep me busy untill my GPU comes back

[@generic_account_name]

Same. Gaming might not be great on integrated graphics but the first time you need a display output to troubleshoot a GPU or have to RMA/replace it you'll be glad enough to have it that the extra $20 or $30 probably won't cross your mind.

[@zk0rned]

@@welshman2011 Please for the love of God save your money by using a cheap display adapter or an old GPU you wasted your money

[@zk0rned]

@@generic_account_name Unless you know that five dollars will get you the same thing aka another GPU you really don't need an iGPU if an old GPU for cheaper and will perform better

[@DizzyHarrison]

When installing a discrete video card, the integrated video card is disabled at the BIOS stage.

[@goldnoob6191]

Keep in mind that iGPUs taxes on global socket power..

[@mountaindew267]

If you have a GPU, your GPU does everything the Integrated Graphics would do. Therefore, your IGPU sits unused, and adds no performance at all. In that case, the non-F variant is only useful for an emergency backup in case you are ever without a graphics card. Now, is it worth that slight discount to not have an emergency backup? Maybe not. But F models aren't some boogeyman to be afraid of.

[@zk0rned]

Real and even if for emergency five dollars will get you basically the same emergency backup aka an old GPU or a display adapter

[@explosif101]

What does KF stand for Intel? unlocked Intel CPU nomenclature designates “K” as an unlocked processor that supports overclocking. Intel Processors with “F” in the product name denote NO SUPPORT for processor graphics. A “KF” designation means the processor is unlocked and does NOT support processor graphics.

[@theTechNotice]

Thanks!

[@explosif101]

@@theTechNotice Thank Google lol

[@David-cg4hb]

I totally agree. I’m running my monitor on usb-c/thunderbolt from the mother board. Not the display port on my card. It seems that the RTX a2000 is rendering games at half resolution and the cpu is upsampling it to full to suit the 4K screen resolution of my monitor.

[@GraphicdesignforFree]

I always read that on desktops the iGPU automatically gets disabled when a dedicated GPU is plugged in. And that Arc would be different, in that Arc _will_ make use of the Intel iGPU. Confusing...

[@theTechNotice]

IGPU can be enabled from bios. ;)

[@CaptainScorpio24]

@@theTechNotice yess it can enabled but wudnt it create conflict wd dGPU do we hv to to instal intel igpu driver along with nvidia driver..?

[@GraphicdesignforFree]

@@theTechNotice Thanks! Will have a look into that :)

[@Vendemiair]

@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't create driver conflicts. You can run the iGPU concurrently with the dGPU, though i can't really figure out a good use for that. For example, you can run one monitor off the iGPU and another off the dGPU, but then dGPUs support multiple monitors to begin with. For example I still use an old Aorus Xtreme 1080 Ti and it has an obscene number of video ports (3 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 DVI-D and 1 internal HDMI).

[@XYZW12]

@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't. I have 2 dGPU's from different vendors (nvidia, amd) installed simultaneously along with an enabled Intel iGPU in my desktop machince. The OS can handle all 3 graphics drivers and everything is working fine.

[@vernonhendon1981]

Great points regarding the F delimiter. I bought a i9 9900kf based upon reviews that I would not see a benefit of the K chip because of my 2070 Super. I will not make this mistake moving up to the I7 12700k. Thanks

[@welshman2011]

So what you going to do when your 2070 super fails on you? because I can honestly tell you I got a 12600k paired with a gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc and I've currently had to RMA the GPU due to issues so paying a tiny bit extra for the K variant is well worth it and is an absolute life saver, as the IGPU plays alot of AAA games like RDR2, GTA5, aswell as FH4/5, Forza Motorsport 7 , COD, CSGO and tomb raider. As well as it responds extremely well once overclocked offering upto 60% more performance. So upgrading to a k variant 12700k (depending on what resolution you play) is well worth the upgrade. Not only that I came from a 9600k and the performance difference compared to a 12600k is phenomenal.

[@emissarygw2264]

@@welshman2011 guess that comes down to bad luck and redundancy.. I have the same card and it's been rock solid so it's not been an issue for me. but I guess if it died I'd be pretty pissed

[@mountaindew267]

@@emissarygw2264 If it ever died, you could pick up a used low grade graphics card equivalent to the IGPU for like $40 on FB marketplace. Even in today's market.

[@griefy4555]

@@welshman2011 Are you huffing glue? K variants only offer a 5% performance boost over non K, don't know where you are getting 60%. Also intel iGPU's can't play most demanding 3d games so you're obviously lying again! You should always have one or two backup gpu's just incase your primary one fails, anyone who is serious about computers/gaming knows that... Also Nvidia NVENC completely destroys this iGPU in rendering times, don't be a conformist sheep and listen to everything this clown tech reviewer says, learn to do research and think for yourself!

[@danzenjrYT]

The site I'm buying a pc from only offers the i9-12900KF so I have no choice

[@jefke12321]

getting a non F will not give you more performance. the only real reason to getting a non-F is when you have to troubleshoot a gpu problem

[@mattscomp]

Well done on saying this 👏✅ It makes much sense. Take the CPU with IGP every time I say. Especially with 12500 and up. Don't pass on that inbuilt goodness especially when it costs so very little extra.

[@TheeDeathCaster]

Which is better to go with in terms of CPU and not integrated graphics, the i7-12700 or 5700g? I'm looking into a computer that would support programs such as Visual Studio (not Code) and Unity for context. What would be the pros and cons of both processors?

[@garrymcdonald5456]

What did you go with as cant decide either, I just wished 5700g supported m.2 4.0 PCIe which is twice as fast as 3.0 then for sure I would go with the AMD.

[@TheeDeathCaster]

@@garrymcdonald5456 Still running on my old machine unfortunately.

[@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen]

Oh! this is new information for me. I always used to think IGPU gets deactivated after you plugging in the graphics card.😳

[@PhilUKNet]

So glad I found this channel. Excellent, very relevant information. Thank you!

[@theTechNotice]

🙂😇

[@coachjsu]

I got the 12900k, but I don't know if I have my prefrences in premiere pro configured properly to use the igpu. Could you do a premiere pro 2022 guide for 12th gen cpus. Cheers - J

[@theTechNotice]

Good idea!

[@xmj6830]

Yes please, I need to know that too

[@patientfourtwozero2714]

I actually got a 12700k when I'm only planning on using my PC for gaming and some fairly basic office work tasks . In these current times of GPU shortages and inflated prices, it seemed fairly sensible for the relatively small price difference. If my 30 series GPU has to go for repair or I want to sell it for a future upgrade, this way I still have a working PC. I've heard some terrible tales of delays with RMAs due to supply issues. An entirely unusable PC whilst waiting is something I'll pay to avoid.

[@alphaomega1969]

Intel cpu are not designed for gaming, AMD is designed for gaming and creator.

[@samhawkins7765]

@@alphaomega1969 the entire k series is for overclocking what other practical/ sensible work related applications does that have

[@henson2k]

@@alphaomega1969 LOL Intel CPUs are great for everything, same as AMD, but requires more power

[@DonovanSteyn]

Got a 12700K. The iGPU kicks ass and it was very useful for troubleshooting my GPU

[@KassemMahmoud]

Message from the future for those who are searching to buy a cpu: DON'T F*CKING BUY THE *KF* SERIES!! (it's horrible)

[@JGZphotography]

You might want to rethink using a graphics card in PS or LR software, particularly for rendering changed images processing third party denoise or sharpening application inside and for these Adobe products. Without the graphics card and relying on the internal CPU graphics engine can be fruital with wait times 10 -15 time longer for specific rendering. Anyone working in video will have a PC workstation with a good video card. The bottom line for most PC users in all forms of imaging MUST use a good graphics card-most medium to high hend PCs and laptops use a graphics card for support.

[@theTechNotice]

Indeed. Although when I've benchmarked PCs with iGPU vs dGPU, I've seen no performance difference in LRC and PS. have a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWTFc2p9p7-kpLM

[@Genjokoan]

You may find that in *many* applications, the I-5 outperforms the I-7 and sometimes even the I-9.

[@khairudinanshari5323]

Exactly

[@marijankatic9591]

What if I have a motherboard with an integrated GPU? How do these stack up against IG on CPU?

[@neild108]

What about the mobile 12th-gen processors? I notice that, for example, the mobile Intel Core i7 12650H seemingly has a better i-gpu than does the desktop Core i7 12600K (Intel Iris Xe Graphics (64EU) vs. the Intel UHD Graphics 770), but does this necessarily mean that it also has effective encoders/decoders for work with the 10 bit 422 - h.264 and h.265 files? Thanks!

[@randomtv1512]

Moment of silence for people who already bought the KF version and watching this video.............

[@skweetis]

GPU acceleration support in photoshop/lightroom/etc does exist, so the statement that "GPU does ZERO for your photoshop" is incorrect. GPU acceleration, however, is limited to certain 3D effects (which are in line to be deprecated and moved into the Substance 3D product line). For what it's worth, Substance 3D does not use the iGPU for anything, and requires a decent GPU.

[@theTechNotice]

That's true, but in practice the difference between 3050 and 3090 is 2% which could be within the margin of error, so yes you do get extra performance with the dGPU, but I've done tests with just iGPU and the benchmark results in PS have not been any different.

[@belikeh4rry217]

we need that dislike button back

[@PabzRoz]

it is back get the extension bro come on now. this video has 2.2k dislikes lol.

[@daddyharry7956]

@@PabzRoz not phone tho (

[@Arumtaka]

for music production, iGPU is more than enough.

[@theTechNotice]

Indeed!

[@patrick.771]

Biggest mistake is that many buy CPUs they don’t need. Most creators are fine with a i5 CPU and don’t need a i7. And many companies try to make extra profit by recommending waaayyy to over-speced systems.

[@zhuzhu9599]

Which is the best budget cpu

[@xenius7770]

I'm doing gaming only, not streaming either and not content creation so idk how a non F cpu would help me. Although it's rare some people still game on on Maxwell gpus, it's 8 years old and still not dead. Be in a case where you'd don't have any gpu seems extremely rare except for incidents. I prefer putting these 20$ in a better mobo or cooling that on an igp.

[@Wigglythegreat2]

Thanks, this is very informative and interesting. I am looking at upgrading to the i7 12700 and don't know much about what the k version adds to the package, but you helped me to understand that it is worth it to get the k version. I do some gaming, but also do some video editing and such so it can't hurt to get the k version. These past 6 months I have been upgrading some computer parts and I am just needing the CPU, Motherboard and Ram to complete my upgrade process. I have already upgraded to a new BeQuiet 802 case, WD Black NVME and Samsung SSDs, Geforce 3060, Corsair 850 watt power supply, Noctua cooler and Noctua 140mm fans. I just need to figure the right motherboard and ram combo to go with the 12700k and not break the bank too.

[@Vendemiair]

I'd pick a Z690-based motherboard; even the lower-end ones aren't much different from the mid- and top-tier mobos performance-wise. A H670-based mobo would work too but note that it doesn't support CPU overclocking, so don't pick a H670 mobo if you plan to OC. Unless the H670 board is priced significantly cheaper than the Z690 board I'd still go for the latter, even if you don't plan to overclock now since you can actually OC in the future so you can squeeze a little more performance and delay the next CPU upgrade. Also, you'll be faced with the dilemma of investing in DDR5 RAM which is still expensive OR using the older but cheaper DDR4 RAM (especially if you're upgrading as opposed to building an all-new system). At present, DDR5 shows little performance benefit compared to DDR4 for most workloads so if cost is a major factor then DDR4 is definitely more attractive.

[@Wigglythegreat2]

@@Vendemiair Hello and thank you for your reply. I am looking at z690 boards now, I just don't know the best one for about $300. I think DDR4 is the way to go for me right now.

[@Vendemiair]

@@Wigglythegreat2 My approach is to look at the detailed specs of each motherboard I'm considering (these are available on the manufacturer's website). Then I compare these specs side-by-side and look for the best features for the price and/or which features are important for me. The specs should be mostly similar across Z690 boards of the same price bracket but might differ in things like power phases for the VRM or total current supported (e.g. 70 amps), for both of which more is better. It might also differ in less technical specs like number and kind of USB ports, number of SATA ports, number of M.2 slots, etc.

[@Wigglythegreat2]

@@Vendemiair Thanks for your input. I will take all suggestions into account when choosing.

[@HayyanPro167]

@@Vendemiair I got ddr5 since 6 years ago I also got ddr4 when it first came out. The ddr4 lasted a long time before this years upgrades. Of course, ddr5 is still very overpriced and I would wait like 5-6 months before getting ddr5 since right now the price is still high. For a short term (1-2 years) ddr4 still should be enough, but I’d encourage to get ddr5 if you can for future proofing

[@francocomelli8137]

If you are a render developer and you already have a GPU, is it more advisable to also opt for a version without F?

[@MGOFor3ver]

Having a integrated graphics is good if you aren't buying a expensive gpu soon, or if your actual gpu dies for no reason. With the K series you have no video at all without a gpu. A gpu can fail, and probably will do someday.

[@chickenfried12]

@@MGOFor3ver *F not K

[@MGOFor3ver]

@@chickenfried12 You're right, my mistake.

[@zk0rned]

@@MGOFor3ver For the same price difference you can get a decent discrete graphics card tho and you can use it even after you upgrade your CPU potentially saving you quite a bit of money especially if you upgrade somewhat frequently

[@j.d.4697]

Huh, how does an IGPU give your system more performance when you only use a dedicated GPU?

[@soanfn]

I have the same question lol, it doesnt have any sense bc windows only process graphics from the external GPU

[@DragoMorke]

I think you really need to be more specific with which applications and tasks you get more performance with iCPU. Not all creative programs or suits support it I assume? Being a Creator does not automatically mean it has to do with Videos but also 3d Moddeling or Working with Music like composing.

[@Ullron]

Be careful when purchasing a custom spec'd PC on builder sites. I ordered a 10900K but actually got the 10900KF. I didn't receive my PC for 3 months due to Origin waiting on restocks for the case and GPUs (late 2020). Wish I knew the differences so I could of have them fixed it.

[@theTechNotice]

Sorry to hear that!

[@garfieldthomas8118]

​@@theTechNotice When you say the iGPU is good for "creators" I'm assuming the same can be said for CAD/CAM software, true?

[@paul_ko]

You're gaining exactly 0 when it comes to CPU processing power, F-CPUs are even a bit more powerful. So if you got a decent graphics card you don't need a non-F CPU AT ALL cause the internal GPU is disabled anyway.

[@mandantesnick7462]

How about if you stream bro ? Is there any difference?

[@ci.hardware.ic3d]

if you want to use just the IGP or IGB, make sure you have lots of physical memory.

[@Thorgue]

This entire vid could have been 30 seconds: Don't buy a Intel processor with an F in there if you are a visual creator.

[@angeloyanke150]

6:47 Are these parameters regarding Premier and the loads divided onto the igpu and the gpu automatic, or do you have to manually set this up?

[@theTechNotice]

Automatic when drivers are up to date :)

[@Sunshine404f]

6k likes and 4k dislikes, lol

[@SaviorGuru]

Why would we need built-in GPU where we can use dedicated GPU? I use Resolve.

[@mohammedaazam1718]

This is the best information that you had given for many of people.... this facts to know the selection of Processors...... Thanks a lot... I was searching this information since a year....

[@kcgunesq]

"F" chips exist for one simple reason: they occur during the fab process by accident and OEM/system integrators are willing to buy them at a slight discount because a few bucks times thousands of sales equals lots of extra profit. No hobby builder should buy them unless they are at a substantial discount to the non-F variant, IMHO.

[@mr.cleanmachine8673]

Lol I got my kf when the k was on sale and I still saved 100 on kf only paid 162

[@zk0rned]

No, if you're buying a discrete graphics card do not buy a non F CPU

[@ionamygdalon2263]

Would you ever consider a NON K variant? The 12900 and the 12700 do include the iGPU but have a much lower TDP. Does the (considerably) lower TDP also guarantee a considerably lower temperature of operation when on full load? In theory, one could chose the 12700 over the 12600K or chose the 12900 over the 12700K. Having seriously high temps is an issue, especially for smaller builds and perhaps for those living in much warmer climates. Thank you very much in advance!

[@chriso8193]

It's sad that everyone does videos for gaming, but never mention music production. Everyone doesn't play video games and do graphics.

[@shagadelic3000]

There are many sound card reviews you should check out. Or get a motherboard with good inbuilt sound features.

[@jeremytitus6575]

Super informative! Thanks mate ✌️

[@emili8927]

I only just found this video but I can't over state that I literally chose the i9-12900k over the kf because it's media encoder engines (which it has 2 of) have better formats, quality and speed over my radeon gpus single encoder engine

[@ciddax754]

For gamers that like to overclock the F variants are attractive because they deliver slightly better results. We are speaking about 2 or 3%. While I personally really love the fall back option of an onboard graphics card, I can understand, why some folks want the F version. If you are really after those overclocking records, then go for it. In that case 2% can be huge. But if you only want get some extra percent performance out of your gaming rig, stay away from those F version as they have the plague. That IGPU is worth it's weight in gold when overclocking your graphic card.

[@PitchfanTheory]

@@dylanmacias9266 have the same question hmmm ^^

[@Ouioui555]

It doesnt help if u have a dedicated graphics card.

[@dzemperator]

@@dylanmacias9266 didn't get an answer yet?

[@cuasimodus1]

the best renders of engineers or videos, it is always much better with a good video card, the integrated video almost never lives up to expectations

[@Kevlexicon]

thanks for the help! diggin ur channel, to the point and good production values

[@OlympicBruce]

Incredibly useful info! Not only why to avoid F or KF for creators (which avoid wasting $300 by mistake) but also why you may not need to waste $1000 on a dedicated video card!! Thank you!!

[@art_means_artificial]

integrated graphic makes your chip and motherboard much hotter! if you have got a good GPU you don't need any integrated gpu

[@IndraBuanaCom]

@@art_means_artificial GPU is making your overall system hotter and 'leaking' some power too

[@numbersix9477]

@@art_means_artificial You didn't watch the video, did you?

[@jaywalker.]

@@numbersix9477 😆

[@G0UDG]

Sticking with AMD fer my creator build far quicker fer high end rendering and editing

[@zihechen3111]

And spend half of ur time fixing the amd bugs

[@zihechen3111]

Like whea 18 19. Or crash if u trun virtual ram off. Amd is fast but give u problems. If u have not that much time to figure out the solution of the problems. Just go intel

[@G0UDG]

@ZIHE Chen my Build is threadripper pro build fer high end 4k video

[@zihechen3111]

@@G0UDG threadripper pro has a lot of issue. I have heard a lot of complains from other creators. Luckily u r fine with it.

[@G0UDG]

@ZIHE Chen with respect I haven't seen any complaints about threadripper pro I think yer trolling the video chat

[@Nava4Gamingz]

Learned PC Builder will say "What the F??"

[@Executor416]

> Don't buy the KF version. Absolutely 180 degrees wrong! Nothing beats a dedicated GPU FOR CREATORS! The iGPU's are for low-end systems with uses such as lower-power gaming and office work. To the channel owner: why the hell are you suggesting this misinformation? Does Intel/AMD pay you to market their unsold CPU's?

[@PeterJohnson76]

I've just ordered a new PC, 5.2GHz i9 / 3080 Ti OC system that cost a lot of money, and I opted for the Intel Core i9 12900KF Processor at $819. The only difference in the $829 Intel Core i9 12900K Processor ($10 more) was integrated graphics, who's functionality lies complete redundant next to my RTX 3080Ti and is my understanding the iGPU complete disables itself with the presence of a dedicated GPU. . In the event I ever have an issue wit my new GPU, then I'll slot in my older one. However, you have mentioned they can work in tandem so ive just revised order for the K version

[@Humshkin]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 🥺 So glad I found this as I'm about to buy.

[@aasciutti]

Saved me. I was about to buy a KF. Thought to give an extra research.

[@prasannakumar]

Subscribed and sitting right next to that bell. What a content video !!!!