CREED (2015) | Adonis Meets Rocky | MGM

[@NobleMask111]

“Time beat him. Time you know…takes everybody out, it’s undefeated.” With the passing of Carl Weathers, this scene hits harder. 💔 RIP

[@saylergirl23]

Agreed. I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@stevenoconnor5693]

Indeed

[@dailyqwikbytes]

So say we all.

[@captainmw8885]

Can't beat time. Can't beat death.

[@davidhabert]

I agree 💯 RIP Carl Weathers 😢

[@billstrohler]

"How do you know all of this?" "How do you think? I watched Rocky 1 thru 4"

[@thomasowen5785]

that's funny.

[@hollandjimenez6592]

Rocky 5 has to be cannon since he said the line “I don’t do that stuff no more.” When he asked rocky to train him

[@BareBandSubscription]

“I skipped Rocky V cause I heard it wasn’t good. But I watched the street fight and that was cool. Anyway, will you train me?”

[@manuelorozco7760]

3 and 4 are the best

[@unicorn69]

@@BareBandSubscription Fr tho

[@ZakEmber]

One thing I liked about the scene is how Rocky never says that he "beat" Apollo, he just says time caught up with his friend. I think that's really gracious, but it also shows how much he loved and respected Apollo. And for the record, I always thought Apollo won their private fight, which sets up a much stronger reason why Apollo would jump at the chance to fight Drago in the fourth film.

[@Enigma1788]

Of course he won it. Rocky literally says that in this clip XD

[@JR_LeMar]

Y'know, I never liked that Rocky revealed who won the fight, I always thought that should have been left to the fan's imaginations. I would have written this scene to be more ambiguous, have Rocky just answer with something like "Who do you think?" and have Adonis grin as Rocky walks away. And my headcanon always said Rocky *could have* been lying, saying Apollo won just to make his son happy. But your comment is the first one to make me rethink that. You're right, in hindsight this makes sense. Apollo was retired, but now he knew he could still beat Rocky, the champion. So that does explain his motivation to get back in the ring in Rocky IV, to prove to the world that he still had it..

[@Brettwbeyer14]

@@JR_LeMar Well another thing is appollo always dominated their fights. Appollo won 13 rounds in their 2nd fight and was up by probably 15 or more points because of knocking down Rocky multiple times but was way too hung up on trying to knock Rocky out and completely wipe him out which was completely unecessary.

[@ZakEmber]

@@JR_LeMar I think, (to be fair), it _was_ written ambiguously at the end of the third movie, but with the addition of the fourth film and since Stallone wrote both films, I got the impression in the fourth film that Apollo had won. All through Rocky two and three, Apollo had that unresolved point of pride about fighting Rocky, but at the start of the fourth film, he's totally at ease regarding his friend, and is instead lamenting his age. I feel like that sort of peace regarding Rocky came from a solid win. Rocky was likely fighting Apollo for fun, (not for all the reasons of the first two films), and he was fighting in Apollo's style, which Apollo was still the master of. I think that definitely would set up Apollo to feel like age is just a number, and leave that tiny itch of wanting to fight again, because he really was an amazing fighter! That's hard to let go!

[@nerddwarf]

@Enigma, the Basement Troll ok, and what about the people (like the original commenter) who watched the Rocky movies, and had to wait years to see if they ever would get an answer to "who won the private match?"

[@ricosuave8123]

The way he says; _”How’d you hear about that?”_ … was perfectly spoken. Right pitch, tone and delivery. Legit.

[@willpower3317]

The opposite can be said for everything that comes out of MBJ’s mouth lol

[@jwatts94]

@@willpower3317 Nah that’s bs, he kills every scene he’s in.

[@NeiltheDeal]

@@jwatts94 Not really, he’s an angry actor.

[@IsaTehGothicMando]

@@NeiltheDeal He's playing an Angry character.

[@CrookedStepsHardHeaded]

@@IsaTehGothicMando I love both of ya', lol

[@robjgolde3221]

“How’d you beat him?” “Time beat him, y’know? Time takes everybody. It’s undefeated.”

[@MinhajArifin]

profoundness in simple sentences. God bless everyone in this film.

[@martinlopez2816]

Rocky is the modern day boxing version of Gandalf with those inspirational quotes xD

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

That's right we love Rock. Simple guy with simple phrases. But incredibly intelligent.

[@stupidminotaur9735]

Did rocky meet a young adonis at the christmas scene i think i think it was 2nd movie?

[@Kelohmello]

@@stupidminotaur9735 Nope. Adonis was born after the 4th movie.

[@johnneails9747]

Creed is the perfect example of how to continue on with a film franchise. It honors the original while organically building its own identity.

[@taurusfroggy]

💯

[@lizzkaayako2270]

Cobra Kai has thankfully done that too. I wish Star Wars would have.

[@johnneails9747]

@@lizzkaayako2270 Agreed

[@Karlebow571]

Along side cobra Kai

[@Ash_Rein]

Except they stole the rights from Sylvester Stallone. And it doesn’t need to continue. Some things need to end. People need to move on. Capitalism is not doing you any favors.

[@sergiovelasquez8525]

"He did." Perfect delivery.

[@milesjohnson5487]

I always wondered who one the third fight. Apollo: " ding ding"

[@Stefan_Diaz_Keene_2018]

Rocky lie he won

[@mercatorjubio3804]

@@Stefan_Diaz_Keene_2018 I always believed it was a draw, both knocked out each other in the end freeze frame of ROCKY III.

[@howlingdin9332]

Apollo was always the better fighter. He took a beating in the first fight because he underestimated Rocky, lost the second because he was arrogant, and lost to Drago because he was aging. But he no longer wanted the spotlight and was content to let Rocky remain world champion.

[@darthkahn45]

"...We both did" would have been better On the surface insinuating a draw but on a deeper level referencing how they came out of their rivalry as the closest of friends.

[@MinhajArifin]

"you gave a nice speech though" and then Rocky moves left to right trying to avoid the unavoidable punch of regret. This whole scene is masterfully delivered.

[@bigtony1434]

😂 I think you’re reading a bit too far into it but fair enough

[@aerystargaryenii2565]

​@@bigtony1434idk rocky had to take a seat after that lol

[@Professor__Cow]

I really love this observation

[@junninhoo]

@@bigtony1434 i mean he did get an Oscar nom so I agree w him^

[@combatterV]

That observation gives spices to that scene.. 🔥

[@pam4life382]

who else came back here knowing Carl Weathers has passed :( RIP LEGEND

[@regularslick6038]

✋ I have 😔

[@andregodfrey3022]

Me too

[@CoachingbyCade]

Aw no I didn’t know he died😢

[@DanBunyan]

U some uncle or cousin? He's his son

[@Derekivery]

Sadly time remains undefeated RIP Mr. Weathers

[@boothjop]

Time takes everybody. Its undefeated. RIP Carl Weathers.

[@SPARTAN-0117]

“Time beat him.” That line hits so much harder now with recent events. RIP Carl. We’ll never forget you. You’re the best.

[@Shendue]

I like this scene. Adonis could have been aggressive towards Rocky, angered at him, but it's the other way around. Rocky is full of guilt and regret, while Adonis tells him he shouldn't. They didn't went the obvious route and I really love it. Makes you empathize with Rocky and makes Adonis immediately likeable.

[@glst1974]

I believe he was more upset at his father. Rocky(aka Unc) was innocent, except the part where he didn't threw the towel.

[@joscar062]

​@@glst1974 He was angry at Rocky when he told him he ain't family after he found out he had cancer and told him off in a holding cell

[@andyh4518]

It makes sense that Apollo won the third fight. Even though he was older he was still the more skilled fighter. Rocky's big advantage was having the stamina and willpower to absorb all of the hits and keep going. In a friendly sparring match there would be no reason to take it that far.

[@azai247]

Apollo seemed like the kinda boxer where 1-2 mistakes is all he needs to get up on points

[@joemckim1183]

@@azai247 It was just Rocky and Apollo in the gym so their was no fifical scorecard. But Rocky and Apollo know boxing well enough to know who actually won the fight. I wonder how many rounds they went. I doubt they went 10+ rounds. Or if they just didn't with rounds and just boxed each other for about 10 or so minutes before they both just said, okay that's enough.

[@just.do.something]

well just to add this wasn't the same Rocky from 1 and 2. This was Rocky who now had the teaching of Apollo plus his old style of boxing and was younger. Rocky should've won. But Rocky probably wasn't fighting all out.

[@Drifter1989]

Yeah, it’ll play out the same as the first fight where it’d come down to judges decision for the winner. Rocky doesn’t go down if he has something to fight for.

[@joemckim1183]

​@@Drifter1989 There was a competition going on between both of them but they weren't trying to put each other in the hospital.

[@Alazoom76]

I am just baffled that Stallone did not get the Oscar that year for this performance. It boggles the mind. You could actually make an argument that this is his finest hour as this character in all the movies. He was truly phenomenal.

[@Lexyboogie]

I thought Christian Bale was better that year even though he didn't win either.

[@Izaan2810]

Stallone TRULY was unparalleled in that year's lineup no doubt. Rylance's performance was really solid too, but Stallone deserved it in my opinion.

[@JamesWhite-ni9tq]

He's really a genius. He waited all these years from Rocky 3 to reveal who won the 3rd fight. If you remember in Rambo, he says to the Asian girl " I'm expendable ". She later tells him he's not expendable. . Fast forward all these years and he comes out with the Expendables. Pretty wild how things unfolded. Very smart actor.

[@238Brotherhood]

For what?🤣 all he did was play the same character he’s always played. Leonardo DiCaprio won best actor for his part in the Revenant which was very clearly well deserved over this. Plus mad max fury road came out that year, ex machina, the hateful 8, etc. he was no where near winning an Oscar for this.

[@rockyl9120]

He was much better in Rocky Balboa and was more true to the Rocky character. The stuff in the basement scene in Balboa is up there with Rambo’s monologue at the end of First Blood.

[@jack-exzolt9858]

"Maybe he would have went out like a fighter. Maybe, he did exactly what he wanted." "...I think he would rather be here---talking with you." That was real. Rocky knew Apollo better than anyone else. That's brotherhood right there.

[@bigkahuna3534]

he didn't know he was cheating on Mary Ann left and right

[@giantrobby5050]

I’m sure Duke knew Apollo better. Rocky and Apollo were friends, but they weren’t brothers. They were rivals in the ring and pals outside the ring. Rocky just started holding Apollo in much higher regard after the Drago fight because he carried the weight of Apollo’s death on his conscience.

[@bigkahuna3534]

@@giantrobby5050 he even lied and said apollo won the third match

[@BucketThinkTank14657Nerd]

@@bigkahuna3534 I don't even like that they gave an answer because it ultimately didn't matter who won that fight

[@ricardoquintero7160]

​@Bucket Think Tank I feel like it kind of does. Rocky probably didn't give his all against Apollo in their third fight out of a misplaced sense of gratitude. That made him confident enough in his abilities to challenge Drago.

[@Comictalent]

RIP Carl Weathers - this scene was already among the best in the series. Now it has even more resonance.

[@JustAnotherBlader]

Stallone delivers every word of this scene so perfectly you can hear the fatigue, the regret, the confusion… I love the way he says “there is a resemblance” like he really did not want to believe this was real.

[@kfalco]

The friendship/ rivalry dynamic between Rocky and Apollo makes remember how many great friendships among men were started somewhere from either a neighborhood fight or a school fight.

[@bennytea7215]

The great mystery of us men is how rivalry and combat often ends up binding us closer together. At the same time, I love it

[@54raynor]

It still blows my mind that Sylvester Stallone was (deservedly) nominated for Best Supporting Actor for playing Rocky Balboa, four decades after first playing the character. It sounds like something that should have been in Back to the Future II.

[@gabaghoul23]

hollyWOKE did their thing

[@forcelord9999]

He did in the second creed though

[@noeltaylor3594]

Yeah, but here you can see him playing an aged Rocky and his response when Donne mentions the speech and phone number is really on point. He doesn't respond like Rocky. He responds like an older man who has a ton of regret and guilt and his name happens to be Rocky. Stallone makes the audience feel it here.

[@rafaellima83]

The scene when he gets the new about cancer, for real, a dozen of micro emotions in half a second, it's such great, great acting here.

[@jokerfleckcast3196]

Nothing beats Stallone's acting. Sorely missed in Creed 3

[@OWmyDragonballz]

Maybe he will return in Creed 4.

[@82fdny97]

What did you think of movie?

[@shrekbaby33]

@@82fdny97 great

[@therealmistahjay]

I wouldn’t say he was “sorely” missed. The story of Creed 3 required Adonis to go through that journey alone.

[@82fdny97]

@@therealmistahjay it worked

[@timothyt0102]

Came back after hearing of the news about Carl Weathers passing on. Rest in Peace & Power, Carl. Rest in peace too, Apollo.

[@manyhatcat4924]

The moment when the truth of it hits Rocky and he needs to sit. I love this scene. Stallone is so underrated as an actor.

[@manuelorozco7760]

He can’t be that underrated

[@jjrj8568]

he actually won the Globe and got an Academy Nomination

[@bennytea7215]

And I know exactly how he feels. You want to reach out and it's too hard, you feel too guilty, you don't know what to say or how to look in the eye of someone you feel you failed

[@prospectoscriollo]

Rocky: “ how do you know all this” Adonis: “I saw it in a movie”

[@Em_Rey]

😂

[@joscar062]

"I looked you up in the cloud" "What cloud? What cloud?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jimnfl7134]

EVen if Rocky doesn't realize it is a movie, he could say, Millions of people watched it On TV.

[@olufemileejohnson6946]

“He did.” It’s perfect

[@eranshachar9954]

"I think he would rather be here, talking with you." My man Rocky sometimes knows how to strike with words the line that touched my heart the most in this scene. After seeing the uncut fight of Apollo and Ivan I understand a simple thing- Rocky wanted to throw the towel right away but just wasn't quick enough. He didn't hesitate like the normal cut paint him. Can we take a second to appreciate Mary Ann? That women owed nothing to Adonis and yet she saved him and raised him as her own blood. Not every women that would find out such a secret would act the same.

[@Fresnophil]

and they chose the right woman to play her too.

[@eranshachar9954]

@@Fresnophil Oh absolutely

[@Nick-zu9sn]

Stallone's skin looks very good for his age, you can tell he really did fitness and nutritional prep before the filming started. I loved this movie.

[@Enigma814]

That HGH has that effect

[@MA-rf6bu]

@@Enigma814 and continuing TRT use since he was 40

[@splintercell323]

“Maybe he wanted to go out like a fighter. Maybe he did exactly what he wanted.” -Pride “I think he’s rather be here talking with you.” -Wisdom

[@Richard-Espanol]

Agreed, well said

[@mygoogleemail2063]

That was the line.

[@Ghosthound_X]

Rocky is always filled with so much wisdom it's amazing.

[@allisterdavidson9805]

Its so sad for Rocky that he lost Adriana, he always seemed so lonely after that. Even when Paulie was still around and his son, he still was a lonely man.

[@jiovanysoltero923]

I actually liked that they brought back the Restaurant from Balboa for Creed.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I didn’t care for the predecessor

[@joscar062]

​@@manuelorozco7760 Recently gave Rocky Balboa a watch and it's far more enjoyable than Creed 3

[@manuelorozco7760]

@@joscar062 To each their own

[@Jake-n6c6w]

​@joscar062 imo most if not all the rocky movies are better than Creed 3, also the two Stallone creed films

[@marshalt]

I'm sure others have mentioned it, but the line about Apollo winning the third fight is probably what set him on the road to his death. If indeed he did beat Rocky, even in a sparing match, it might have been the catalyst to thinking he's still got it, and maybe he's got one more fight in him. It could be what gave him the confidence to take on Drago, which of course, lead to him dying in the ring.

[@giantrobby5050]

The third fight may have been a catalyst. Maybe. But I think Apollo was chasing the high of his prime days ever since he hung up the gloves professionally. While Rocky was having his second fight with Clubber Lang, Apollo was ringside simulating Rocky’s jabs like he was in the ring too. That’s why I personally think the third fight was irrelevant to his decision to fight Drago. He still had the passion to fight, he wasn’t under some impression that he could still be the Champ, he just missed boxing. And that’s what got him killed, the fact that he trusted Drago would just play along and fight at Apollo’s level rather than beat him to death to make a point.

[@terminallumbago6465]

@@giantrobby5050 I never thought Drago killed him on purpose. An exhibition meant two different things to each of their cultures. For Apollo it was just a friendly, glorified sparring session. For Drago it was to exhibit his strength and skill. He certainly wasn’t remorseful after the fact though, at least not outwardly (not that he could be in front of his handlers).

[@slipnorris5882]

The ref did try to stop it, but drago pushed him

[@brandennieto6934]

That line about who won the 3rd fight always gets me. Apollo was really Superman to Rocky. He didn’t feel worthy to share the ring with him

[@t99155]

Facts, that line always made me think Rocky felt at this moment how he did when Apollo called him out the 2nd fight back to his roots in a competitive/respectful way

[@anthonymcneil1542]

Adonis "Since we're pretty much like family" The link and connection and bond between him and Rocky is already there

[@thevaccinator666]

I thought that was very presumptuous. They weren't like family at all.

[@just.do.something]

Love this movie and scene. My only issue is that it's not in Rocky's character to have not talked to Apollo's wife since the funeral. No way. You gotta' write the script based on the character's history and Rocky would've definitely have had some contact. Of course Rocky blames himself for Apollo's death, and would be ashamed to stay in touch consistently but since the funeral??? That's how many years??? And also, Adrian would've been sure to stay in touch some, too. Plus Rocky stayed close with Duke who had the deep ties to the Creed family. But that's just me, a huge Rocky/Creed fan complaining a bit.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Herbie naw that's a fair criticism

[@just.do.something]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Thanks.

[@just.do.something]

@X X Yeah, I think you're right. They wanted to put more weight on the emotions but it kinda' got away from Rocky's character a bit. But also the way Adonis mentioned it was pretty harsh as well, like salt in the wound. Also, you'd think that Apollo's wife might have mentioned something to Rocky at some point about this. I mean being Apollo's best friend and all. But again, makes for a better story and scene that Rocky didn't know anything. But I love this movie man and can't wait to see Creed 3.

[@MxDeNaglowska]

I disagree with your assessment, personally. I think it's all together plausible Rocky would've felt too guilty to pick up that phone. Throughout the last Rocky movie and this, you see him struggle to stay connected with his own kid. It's not impossible to think he would've had it in his head that she'd want nothing to do with him and lay low.

[@just.do.something]

@@MxDeNaglowska Yeah man, respect your opinion on this. I hear what you are saying. I mentioned that about Rocky's guilt too, but ultimately I feel they would've connected at some point. You don't think she would've reached out to Rocky to share condolences about Adrian's passing? There are too many ties to just not talk for 30ish years. It would be more believable to me that they fell out of touch completely over time, but not talk since the funeral was pushing things too far. That's just too much time to have passed.

[@johnny5805]

No actor has ever made so many men unashamedly cry in so many movies as Stallone. He is a fantastic actor.

[@3kingzsneakerheadtalk635]

The music in this scene is just as powerful as the scene itself. Great scene

[@filmtoppings]

This is how a new legend began.

[@DrakeBrunette]

I always suspected that Apollo won that 3rd fight behind closed doors... It makes perfect sense as Rocky could only ever go the distance when he had the proper motivation. When he has to fight for something that he deems greater than himself then he is basically impossible to defeat. Nobody has more heart than Rocky! But at that particular point in time he and Apollo were basically brothers and there's no incentive to push that far against family. Which absolutely ensures the victory for Apollo! Because when it comes down to it Apollo was always far more athletically gifted, skilled and technically sound... I'd bet that Round 1 was probably exciting and evenly matched. Round 2 was where Apollo began to land some big shots. Round 3 was where Rocky probably tried to push himself a little more out of respect for Apollo. But Round 4 is where he likely throws in the towel and with full humility acknowledges Apollo as the better fighter. Then they shake hands, hug, express thanks & praises, bust each others balls a bit more and call it a day.

[@adityaakaul]

Well put. I always wondered how those two could fight competitively enough to satisfy Apollo and decide a winner when they started the fight joking around like chums. Your description makes perfect sense.

[@brianticas2068]

Tbh rocky had heart and determination but Apollo had the best skills out of the rocky series

[@gearsmashking6880]

Carl was an amazing actor and a great friend to those he shared the screen with. Rest well, Mr. Weathers. And thanks for being some of the most iconic characters in cinema history.

[@AllFlashNoDash]

I love that Sly makes the Rocky character so humble. That's one of the main things that I love about the character. After the first fight, he goes and asks Apollo did he give him his best. He doesn't take credit for beating Apollo. And humbly admits to losing the third fight behind closed doors. He could have easily lied or said it was a tie.

[@qghjuy]

I am wondering though, if Apollo would say that Rock won the fight.

[@AllFlashNoDash]

@A.B. he did. Remember at the end if part III he said "You beat me by 1 second"? And he lied about learning how to "live with it". That's why they had the third fight behind closed doors because he wanted to prove it to himself.

[@shoeplayisbad1]

He didn't beat Apollo Father time did

[@qghjuy]

@@AllFlashNoDash right. i was suggesting that if Rock had died and Apollo was asked the question, if he would say Rock won...kind of like a mutual agreement that its not about who gets credit.

[@RealAaron317]

@@AllFlashNoDash that was the second fight

[@Cliff858]

Watching this now that he's really gone hits different. RIP Carl Weathers

[@mashort07]

This series took the antagonist from the Oscar winning original film and not only turned him into a friend and a beloved character, but a hero within the Rocky universe. I felt nothing but pride when Rocky admitted Creed won the third fight. What a beautiful moment some 40 years later.

[@terencebrown2688]

"Time beat him, it takes everybody out its undefeated" 💯

[@kagemaru259]

I liked how Rocky always admitted even back then that Apollo was the better fighter.

[@Stevebo0124]

I feel like the line from the trailer, "I'm his son," hits harder than what we got in the official cut. Still a powerful scene, but not the best take IMO.

[@ericvassilaros1119]

I always thought the same thing

[@user-sr9qe2zl9w]

I think it’s cause the scene doesn’t play out like a real conversation. Adonis should just come out that he’s Apollo’s son in the first few sentences. The cat and mouse of “how do you know this?” goes a bit too long for my taste. Still an incredible scene.

[@MrAcrizzy]

I just watched the first Creed recently. I cannot wait for the third movie. I remember seeing the second film in theaters and I rewatched it to prepare myself for Creed III.

[@joemckim1183]

I think Jonathan Majors is going to make a great opponent in III. I'm going to see it on Friday, its going to be great.

[@jolanelebaut4666]

Gonna see it in a couple of hours, in belgium it comes out today! Also rewatching creed 2 now

[@andrewnathan2903]

I saw it. 3 is the best of the three. This is the second best one for sure. The third one makes creed his own man and not so much as "Rocky's Pupil"

[@MrAcrizzy]

@@andrewnathan2903 I agree with you. Creed III was the best of the trilogy.

[@Frankya92]

I just got out of watching creed 3. In my opinion, creed 2 is easily the best one of the 3 so far. The third may have been emotional also, and Jonathan Majors is great as well, there’s just something that kept it being up there from the other two. Maybe it’s because Rocky isn’t in it

[@malonej2109]

When he mention the funeral, the way of regrets and flashbacks came rushing back so much he has to sit down. He realized Donnie was telling the truth and so he felt even more guilty cause Donnie never had a chance to meet him. Rocky biggest regret came back too fast

[@snakeplissken9540]

Why Rocky is the greatest character in cinema, is because there is no other character in all of cinema that we have seen his entire life. We have seen him lose in the ring, win in the ring, suffer personal loss (Mickey), lose it all, win it back, lose his wife to cancer, lose his son, lost his entire fortune, battle cancer himself, struggle with becoming the role model to help the next generation....we have watched Rocky truly mature with age. We have watched Rocky's life and there is nothing along the way that someone cannot at some point relate to. Outside of Star Trek characters, there is no other character or characters we have witnessed truly grow.

[@kanootori5485]

Where have you been all my life

[@ChingonJason]

@@kanootori5485 Watching Rocky movies and TNG

[@Wildboyz6913]

That’s why Rocky is the greatest. I cannot say the same for Indiana Jones after what Disney did to him.

[@snakeplissken9540]

@@Wildboyz6913 Indiana Jones is the exact same character he was in the first minute of the first film to the last minute of the last film. There is zero growth in the character outside of age.

[@Wildboyz6913]

@@snakeplissken9540 Yeah but in Dial of Destiny, he’s just a sad depressed old man who just wants to stay in the past and refuses to come home and wants to die there and has to be knocked out by an insufferable woman.

[@busbystandup1337]

"He did." That line breathed so much more into the Rocky universe. I got a little choked up.

[@pmoun]

And thanks to Stallone for giving us that directors cut of Rocky 4. We got to hear that speech, everything tied into one another!

[@nunosoares2329]

Rest In Peace Carl Weathers. Sincere overdue condolences to the family for your loss. ☹🥊🥊💐

[@Sierra19]

RIP Carl Weathers, Heavyweight champion of the world

[@recur9759]

I just realized Apollo told either Miriam or Duke they fought, but never told them that he won. And that explains his confidence going in to Rocky 4, and It also shows how strong Drago was. Great continuous writing Edit: RIP Carl Weathers. You and Sly have inspired fighters everywhere

[@alexh8503]

RIP Carl Weathers an incredible actor and above all a wonderful human being 😢

[@nykia31]

"Why would you want to pick a fighter's life, if you don't have to?"

[@JaySee8866]

Creed series is nothing without Rock. The emotional connection that Stallone brings is unmatched.

[@betaomega04]

This was the best acting of Sly's career.

[@DarthTrader707]

So glad that Stallone received a Oscar nomination for this role. He was always underrated as an actor. He was only the third actor in Hollywood history to receive two nominations for playing the same character. Al Pacino received two for playing Michael Corleone in the Godfather One and Two, and Paul Newman received two for Fast Eddy Felston in The Hustler and The Color of Money. What is remarkable, is that Stallone's nominations came 39 years apart--Rocky (best actor) and Creed (best supporting actor).

[@mufasa2783]

Knowing that apollo won the 3rd fight against rocky makes Rocky's fight with Drago much more significant

[@SalemGhassanHanna]

'Time is undefeated' - ain't that the truth!

[@alecnorthrup3645]

R.I.P Carl Weathers (1948 - 2024) Apollo Creed 🙏 🥊 2:42

[@daedelous7094]

The moment Rocky figures out that Adonis REALLY is Apollo's son he is a bag of emotions, facing the kid whose father's life he could have protected by throwing in that towel...and now conflicted on giving him the best chance of the life he wants...against just wanting to protect what is left of his friend.

[@jimmybus6787]

Can’t wait for creed 3

[@astaciamckinnis3969]

Me neither

[@alainaguilar2199]

Me too looking forward to it

[@arafatmiah8018]

Same

[@Lava_Zoid]

Not gonna be the same without Rocky

[@astaciamckinnis3969]

@@Lava_Zoid I know right

[@sameerkashyap1750]

"Maybe he would have went out like a fighter. Maybe, he did exactly what he wanted." "...I think he would rather be here---talking with you." Love that as kid who never got to know his father, Donnie mythologizes his father. But Rocky as someone who actually knew him, knows what Apollo would have wanted.

[@rage2443]

I love this scene for the amount of respect Donnie had for Rocky. He's got a chip on his shoulder and sounds almost combative, but he's actually here to learn from the guy and not only does he not resent him for the death of Apollo, but respects him for it. There's no overused trope of "oh you killed my dad, you gotta pay" and then spend half the movie resolving their conflict.

[@brutalhonesty5138]

He did say to Rocky you "owe me that" in regards to training him. Rocky didn't owe him anything.

[@aronkelley8634]

I was going through chemo when this movie came out. To say that I really needed this great movie, was a complete understatement. Thank you ❤👊

[@youngty127]

Rip Carl weathers.

[@SourDutchmaster420]

“I think he’d rather be here, with you” 💔 Hits me 10x harder since I got kids now 😢

[@geraldjackson9974]

Rocky should be in every Creed movie

[@joscar062]

I ain't watching another Creed movie until rocky appears

[@stompterra7644]

"What'd you say your name was?" Start of a beautiful relationship.

[@nordicgaming2572]

Something just occurred to me.. Apollo winning the fight behind closed doors was most likely the reason why he decided to make a comeback.

[@LoLo25A]

future classic scene. filmed great, all the emotion without over doing it. perfect

[@Klonkeykong]

Rip Carl weathers 😢 02/03/24 First Apollo, his debut and now he himself.

[@TPG25153]

I Got To Say These Creed Movies Have Been Pretty Dam Good

[@joscar062]

At least the first film was

[@abrahamalarcon469]

This movie really knock it out of the park. I really wasn’t excited or happy at all they were making this movie. Felt like they were just stretching the Rocky universe more than it needed too. But man did this movie deliver like crazy. I don’t get tired of watching it.

[@Dankykong77]

This scene hits so much harder after Carl's death

[@jtnumber1fan304]

Donnie is my favorite character from creed, he's pretty cool as a boxer 🥊

[@manuellim6284]

Better than Tommy Gun

[@jtnumber1fan304]

@@manuellim6284 Yeah, who's your favorite boxer from creed?

[@CrazyxCactus]

"He did." I miss you Carl.

[@bleep77]

Stallone was robbed of the Oscar that year. The moment the winner was announced as Mark Rylance for Bridge of Spies was the moment many jaws dropped. I remember building myself up emotionally up to Oscar night that year, excited to see Sylvester get the respect he long deserved from Hollywood. He did not get it. But like the Rocky character that he created, he was the true winner in the eyes of millions of people around the world. A true people's champion. Life imitating art for real.

[@edgarochoa3122]

Who watches the Oscars..?

[@Kevin-tz2lv]

​@@edgarochoa3122over 18 million people.

[@Kevin-tz2lv]

You are correct, he should have received it

[@arielsokol1307]

The interaction between Rocky Balboa and Apollo Creed's son is masterfully crafted to establish a profound sense of pathos and guilt on Rocky's side. The dialogue subtly delves into Rocky's emotional turmoil and lingering guilt over Apollo's death, as well as his conflicted feelings about returning to the world of boxing. When Apollo's son seeks Rocky's guidance, it evokes a deep sense of responsibility and obligation within Rocky, highlighting the weight of his past decisions and the legacy he carries. The line, "I was in the ring. I saw how it went down. That fight should have been stopped. I should have stopped it," encapsulates Rocky's internal struggle and the burden of guilt he carries for not preventing Apollo's tragic fate. This admission not only humanizes Rocky but also amplifies the emotional stakes of the scene, making his eventual agreement to train Apollo's son all the more poignant. Moreover, the scene's use of dialogue and subtext effectively conveys the complex dynamics between the characters, drawing viewers into the emotional core of the story. Rocky's reluctance to train Apollo's son initially reflects his desire to distance himself from his past, but ultimately, his sense of duty and connection to Apollo compel him to take on the role of mentor.

[@frozenray0079]

I know Creed 3 supposed to be hype but I can't imagine that whole film without Rocky in it.

[@therealmistahjay]

Pretty easy to do when you come to terms that it’s Creed 3 and not Rocky 9.

[@holdthetruthhostage]

​@@therealmistahjaydamn well said

[@joemckim1183]

@@therealmistahjay I expect Little Duke to have a bigger role in the movie now that he's Adonis' main trainer.

[@LucasC2022]

@@joemckim1183 I think Viktor’s gonna train Adonis like how Apollo trained Rocky.

[@joemckim1183]

@@LucasC2022Viktor is going to be in the movie but I'm not sure if he will be Adonis' trainer. But I think they'll develop a friendship similar to that of Rocky and Apollo.

[@whitedevil2]

"Apollo" was such an awesome name for that character. it's suiting the kid would be named "Adonis."

[@williamaustin451]

Hear me out. I think Rocky actually won that third fight. Rocky had just defeated Clubber Lang, giving him the edge over Apollo who hasn't been fighting. Given Apollo's need to prove himself, this would give him the motivation to stand up against Drago, to prove himself one last time in the ring to make up for the time he let Rocky take Lang. Rocky tells Adonis that Apollo won because Rocky's not the type of guy to brag about his wins, especially so to his late best friends son who died in the ring, he's okay with Apollo being the man who beat him because he respected him. In the end I don't think it matters who won. They were two amazing fighters who respected each other enough to not care who was better. The last fight was most likely a close one either way.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I never thought I would be invested in a rivalry in the ring turned surrogate family

[@Bobaklives]

1:39 they did an alternative take where Donny says “I’m his son” and they used it in the first trailer - which is a bit smoother for a short trailer but this works well for a long take.

[@krogdog]

R.I.P. Carl Weathers (1948-2024). Long live Apollo Creed 🥊🥊

[@Ryan07_20]

No way Rocky thought someone as young as Adonis could be a cousin to Apollo haha, I guess Rocky still saw Apollo as young

[@MorganKing95]

"Cousin" is also a general term for "relative" (not closely related though, more like someone who's married to one's aunt or uncle, or one's cousin once removed)

[@JeannieSmith-ik8cb]

I don't think rocky was aware of apollo's extra martial affair which resulted in Adonis because apollo died before he was born

[@OzielGuerraJr]

Gotta love how humble Rocky is although he did beat Apollo he never believed himself better than him

[@willh7352]

Rest well Carl Weathers.

[@harrisonbeer959]

I think Rocky's answer about the fight is perfect. If he was telling the truth? Makes perfect sense. They were fighting a private match as friends. Rocky's greatest strength has always been fighting with everything he has on the line. Meanwhile Apollo is an amazing and very professional fighter, and the thing that ultimately thwarted him was that he didn't come into either fight with that "I come from nothing, I can't lose" mentality that Rocky did .The importance of this scene in Creed, among other things, is setting up that the best thing Rocky ultimately nurtures in Adonis is that underdog, "leave it all out there" mentality. But more important than who actually won is how Rocky's answer was intended to show the respect he feels toward Apollo when speaking to his son. At this point in the movie, while he isn't yet ready to train Don, he still wants him to know how highly he regards his rival, teacher, and friend.

[@blargblarg5657]

I think he'd rather be here ... talkin with you. That line ...

[@justinhenderson5813]

In a way, I think Rocky is trying to tell him “ just because your father was a fighter, doesn’t mean you should/ have to be”.

[@azurerainbow4637]

Adrain & her brother Paulie would certainly treat Adonis like family if they got to meet him at Rocky's restaurant. Rocky was certainly honest with Adonis when he told him that his father won the 3rd match between them in private at Mickey's gym, which broke the tie.

[@joscar062]

Paulie wouldn't treat him like family Do you forget how he was in Rocky 3? "I don't like these kind of people" "I didn't even brought my gun" Or in Rocky Balboa "Do you have a reservation? Do I look like an Indian" He looks at "Steps" "Who's the criminal?"

[@azurerainbow4637]

@@joscar062 Paulie told Apollo he did great after training Rocky for his rematch against Clubber Lang in the 1980's.

[@J.Lee-xv6wb]

I've seen Rocky 4 100 times and not ashamed.

[@Retsler54]

Understandable. It is the second best movie of all time of my standards. Here is my list: 3, Rocky III, 2, Rocky IV, 1 The Empire Strikes Back.

[@J.Lee-xv6wb]

@@Retsler54 I saw Return of the Jedi in the FOX THEATRE in Atlanta when I was 6 years old. Still my favorite movie. Rocky 4 is 2nd.

[@Cw311z]

So have I. No shame in my game either.

[@Andrew-up3dr]

This is the best legacy sequel/series to be made

[@nickgiampaolo9977]

I think he'd rather be here... talking with you... that line gets me every time!

[@othellmartin6302]

One of the best Movie of the 21st century, no political or woke message just about dealing with lost respect and as Rocky said "TIME" even after all these years he actually still blames himself for Apollo's death

[@brianburke2936]

This is such a master class on acting. Even the way rocky moves around. Similar to a boxing ring, he faces head on, then retreats than faces head on. It’s beautiful

[@dakevman93]

It’s just a crime Sly didn’t win an Oscar for this

[@Viele411]

Can we please give Stallone the flowers he has deserved from the beginning. The guy can act, direct, and right. He doesn’t get the credit he is due

[@00ghostcobra]

The first two Creed movies were great. I can't wait to see the third one..

[@manuelorozco7760]

The new one tops the previous two

[@joscar062]

That new one ain't bad it was just rushed, to say the third film is better than the original is just mind blowing