Team Fortress 2 STILL overrun with bots, Valve Silent

[@LegoAnimations6370]

9:30 I like how after a clusterfuck of a round, the game dares to ask ''please rate the quality of the match you just played''. And when you submit your answer it says ''we appreciate your feedback at TF2 team''. What a sick joke!

[@Tucasor]

Valve: And it gets to have a thriving community? what a sick joke! i should have shut downed it when i had the chance, yo-you have to kill it, you-

[@Victor-056]

@@Tucasor The fans: You had people wanting to work for _YOU_ to improve TF2... But when they came with their employee slips and wishes to improve your games, _You_ lumped them into projects that had nothing to do with TF2, and left the game to stagenate in favor of copying _OVERWATCH,_ the game that ripped off TF2 _and_ Dota In the first place!

[@HiddelS143]

If valve doesn't wanna keep supporting TF2, that's fine, I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it forever, it's been 17 years. But at least make it open source and hand it off to the community. Also, now that Gabe Newell is starting to step back and is probably going to retire soon, the Valve we knew is gonna become just another greedy publisher. Not that they were saints before but they were a lot better than their competition, but now that most of the old guard is gone, prepare for the enshitening of Valve.

[@protkrombere6828]

sad but true

[@nkeyc6795]

what do you mean Gabe is going to retire soon? how soon?

[@giguyjoe]

I mean then again they were once saints given how much they valued really superb game optimization and ease of modability. At least before CS:GO came about and they suddenly valued selling skins that would have gotten 7/10s on Gamebanana during the CS:S days.

[@cxmb]

Damn, sucks to admit but I think you are rigth.

[@TromboneGamer]

The old guard was a big reason a lot of projects never saw the light of day such as HL3 and L4D3. I don't know if they're departure will make things better necessarily, but at least it will probably be easier to get projects out the door.

[@T0ac47]

Deadlock will more than likely be filled with bots in a few months after it releases because Counter Strike 2 is experiencing the same issues as TF2.

[@ThisIsMyYouTubeAccount1]

And you can't even play CS:GO anymore which was a better game. They stripped away good features and other aspects and updated the graphics. Usually I like Valve but this recent behavior is not a good sign. Still buying the Steam Controller 2 if it comes out though

[@CoolSs]

IT ALREADY HAVE BOTS. yes in the beta test of a game. it got bots.....i don't know how.

[@engineergaming1669]

I’d give it a day, maybe a few hours since people are already leaking content and cheating in it and Valve didn’t make anyone sign an NDA or do literally anything legally binding

[@jecksfoxofficial]

​@@CoolSswait wait WHAT HOW, there are footage of this?

[@Cats-TM]

@@ThisIsMyKZbinAccount1 You can still play CS:GO. 1) go to Counter-Strike 2, 2) click "manage" (the gear icon), then "properties", 3) then go to "beta", 4) in "Beta Participation" select "csgo_legacy - Legacy Version of CS:GO". Then you can access CS:GO as a seconadary boot option.

[@robustdelirium9277]

“Calling attention to a problem does nothing” I will never understand this sentiment.

[@ezkiller93]

Stupid people say nonsensical things. You shouldn't try to understand it.

[@renon1946]

But if you plug your ears and look away, the problem doesn't exist anymore! Lmao

[@changedmynamee]

Valve literally owns steam. You’re lucky tf2 is even up rn.

[@Victor-056]

@@changedmynamee The main problem here is that Valve has an Anti-Bot and Cheating software called "VAC", short for "Valve Anti-Cheat". This program is actually _seperate_ from Team Fortress 2... And it has not been improved for almost a decade. There is no "Spgheytteee Code" excuse for VAC. They have _supposedly_ Streamlined it for use with CS2, and yet CS2 is rife with Bots, and according to rumors, Test Runs with Deadlock _already_ have it rife with Cheater Bots too. This isn't a Matter of "TF2 Is dead", it is a matter of Valve Plugging their Ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!!!" to not hear their problems going on.

[@CaptainJimp]

​@@changedmynameeBiggest L take I've seen all day. And you failed to even make a point.

[@jimihendricks5602]

When i went to drop my review as negative, I came across some old gameplay recordings and screenshots, made me sad to see how much fun my friends and I used to have and that new players are robbed of the experience. Thanks for keeping at them Cree. We're gonna fight for 2Fort, stand for stillwater, guard the gravel pit, heave them off the Hightower, bots days are numbered!

[@michalvrabec454]

people who say that we should stop trying to force valve to fix the game are cringe ngl, why would tf2 fans give up on the timeless masterpiece

[@zonatedspore97acamas]

Stop buying micro transactions and stop pre-ordering games.

[@Mai.Calico]

What’s pre ordering gotta do with it?

[@keybladegames_real]

What does this have to do with TF2?

[@sal-1337]

lmao furry kid @Mai.Calico

[@PurpleBroadcast]

​@@keybladegames_realmaybe hes talking about Valve's microtransactions and preordering their games

[@CantusTropus]

Both of these activities encourage bad behaviour by game companies.

[@videogaming1000]

Damm it Valve, do something! I'm running out of Postal petition gags! SIGN THE PETITION DAMN IT!!!

[@gatordragon6140]

"sign the petition or else it will be your surviving family members who will"

[@THEFabianValenzuela]

​@@gatordragon6140homestuck pfp

[@gatordragon6140]

@@THEFabianValenzuela out of curiosity why is everyone noticing that now? No one noticed it for years and now im getting a ton of comments like this, did i miss something? Whats happening?

[@THEFabianValenzuela]

@@gatordragon6140 nothing really, I just pointed it out for the sake of it. I don't care about homestuck 2

[@gatordragon6140]

@@THEFabianValenzuela wait what? Homestuck 2? When did this happen?

[@WKogut]

You know what is also a treadmill work? Trying to kick all the bots from the match. But I guess to you, Valve, it's fine as long as we do it.

[@elfascisto6549]

I can imagine the headlines "#fixtf2 celebrates 10th anniversary, tf2 still overrun with bots, valve still silent"

[@sailorssilence1983]

gabe newell telling his son he has to disown him (he realised taking care of him is treadmill work)

[@vaultdweller94]

get these bots outta here

[@No.00000]

Jelly bots yummy

[@gatordragon6140]

Those bots aged like milk lol

[@KZArchive94]

Aged like milk

[@GunMan12358]

At this point, I personally believe that contrarians against FixTF2 are either, bot hosters, cheaters or just Valve bootlickers that don't like TF2 (or a mixture of the three)

[@griggletv6974]

Shit man how can you keep your hands up holding all that straw and good way to get people on your side you don't agree with me freck you your a bot or a cheater

[@CoolSs]

The tf2 negative reviews confirm that if you think about it. Normally when game get review bombed. You get an ok amount of positive reviews to counter it(what didn't happen this time) . What shocking, tf2 got like more then majority as negative. The real tf2 fans are not mixed about the problem and do agree that tf2 need to be fixed.

[@DDNE_]

Meanwhile Dota 2 got one of the largest update in its history with a kilometer long patchlog, literally why can't they spend any effort to fix the problem this large in their other game, its clear that they know how to fix this, they just choose not to for some unknown reason

[@lukam8815]

because tf2 is for trooners

[@sweetypuss]

@@lukam8815 this is true and is probably why tf2 will never be fixed

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

@@sweetypuss the fuck is a trooner

[@QTwoSix]

​@@lukam8815No. Those are just tourists

[@Almanich94]

@@QTwoSix People aren't "tourists" in a 17 year old game, that's a downright retarded idea. The very idea of "tourists" in online game is in and of itself completely moronic lmao

[@wrathshorts2894]

FIVE YEARS!? Deadlock will be full of bots DAY ONE!

[@SirDeimosKnightOfMars]

Hey Cree. I found your channel while out of the country this summer. your content brought me many hours of enjoyment. I wish you continued success!!

[@iammonke5970]

I think #FixTF2 isn’t just about fixing TF2 and getting rid of the bots anymore, it’s a protest to the entirety of Valve’s awful business model, and their repeated pattern of silence and neglect… or at least, it should be. They’ve been reaping the benefits of this system, maximizing profits while contributing as little effort as possible on their part, and now it’s lead to some of their best and most successful titles being abandoned because ‘muh treadmill work’. Boycott Valve, and Valve products until they start to change how they do business.

[@PersonaMona5264]

Who remembers when Creetosis was an Owl- Pun Intended, btw.

[@danpaz9485]

I do

[@JNJNRobin1337]

theres a pun?

[@gatordragon6140]

Idk how the economy in tf2 works but if they can make money off the bot hosters i can imagine they would keep the bots around until every normal person leaves and there is no one left to buy stuff, the whole bleeding the stone dry thing

[@CaptainJimp]

The only money that they would make from bot hosts would be the one-time $5 payment for upgrade to premium so the bots can VC and chat spam. None of the bot accounts make any money for Valve besides that.

[@CaptainJimp]

Given the number of bots used for aimbotting is projected to be in the tens of thousands, even if there were 100k aimbots, they'd only be making Valve $500k, which absolutely must pale in comparison to the millions that they male annually from key and other item sales.

[@notawizard6714]

Thank you for bringing up how much money this game makes. I haven’t seen anyone really mention it, and i didn’t know about the revenue rankings. #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@laf1993]

Valve won't make any announcements or tackle the issue directly now because that would imply that they didn't fix the problem when they said they would, but the amount of negative attention they're getting certainly puts them in a tricky spot.

[@CaptainJimp]

They can't do anything about the fact that they ignored it after a band-aid fix 2 years ago. I argue that the community very much would not care about that negligence anymore if they addressed us now, since we're actually trying to demand their attention again, and provide proof that they're working on improving the situation.

[@jacksonhoward620]

In my opinion, the age of the game is one of THE reasons to keep it bot and hacker free.

[@Brandelwyn]

Money is the only language they understand

[@TheBreakingBenny]

And if some indie morons who asset flip try to sue for defamation.

[@sukamadik5983]

It's awesome that this has gained so much momentum. Don't let up 👍

[@EnigPartyhaus]

L4D2 is getting more updates than TF2 now. L4D2 is a game with no cash shop system meaning there's no incentive to keep it updated as much. Real great priorities.

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

my g L4D2 is literally unplayable certain times of the day randomly because if valve's shitty server upkeep of it

[@giguyjoe]

At this point the easiest workaround for Valve would be to let the Contracker stuff and everything else be done on community servers. At least then you'd still be able to enjoy what the game has to offer and you'd be in a space where a server owner can directly intervene with any and all potential bots and ban them as soon as they pop in.

[@Vienna3080]

Valve could have spent the last few years creating a sequel to TF2 but instead decided to abandon TF2 to make another team shooter

[@csam9167]

Get that jelly bots out of here !

[@GolfinhoVoador]

2:04 Apparently people are already cheating in deadlock.

[@someshambler5536]

Lol

[@nadrewod999]

The one argument I've heard somewhat defending Valve is that TF2's entire source code got leaked a few years ago, making it much easier for hackers to code their bots in a way that TF2 can't detect or fight against, and that the only real way to completely fix the "leaked source code" problem would be to make and release an entirely new sequel game. It still doesn't justify their years of no substantive updates or the utter silence from Valve on this issue since the SaveTF2 hashtag first got traction.

[@Zaxon_Rapial]

The most important part is that we keep this pressure up. No matter what happens, we need to keep this fire under valve's ass until they fix this. I'm see people treat fix tf2 like it's a failure already because they didn't respond. But they will in due time, they can't possibly be this stupid with a new game on the horizon, especially when the problem is spreading to their other, more profitable games. Keep it up and don't relent. We've all played a stalemated match that's lasted for hours, we can do this.

[@mrconroy4672]

Fair, but what if they still don’t do anything for at least 3-4 years? What if they don’t acknowledge tf2 anymore?

[@Zaxon_Rapial]

@mrconroy4672 Well, at that point, then I think the game would be actually dead. But that doesn't matter. We need to keep the pressure on valve because this shit will keep happening.

[@bjornolfactory9363]

Live service/online games are just a scam at this point. Companies could easily just release offline versions of these games, or let players create servers etc. But they won't, because that would take the slightest amount of effort or time. And this sort of falls in pretty closely with what Accursed Farms created a petition over The Crew Game. Game companies just expect people to accept having the product they bought out right stolen back form them or play it in a destroyed state.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Team Fortress 2 allows players to make their own servers. That's literally what the "community servers" are. They're servers hosted by the community.

[@changedmynamee]

Do you even play tf2 lmfao? community servers exist.

[@mrconroy4672]

@@changedmynameeNever underestimate them as a whole.

[@CoolSs]

I personally expect no response from Valve and I think they hope this blow off. what is not happening. I stopped spending money in tf2 since the Zesty bot video (i returned to tf2 around the summer 2023 update and put over 300h in it) If you honestly like tf2. I recommend stopped spending money until things get better. they don't deserve our money. BTW recent reviews of tf2 used to be like 83%, now it's 13%. and All reviews used to be 91% dropping to 86%. tf2 got over 39k negative reviews with hardly any positive since fix tf2 (some people updated their reviews from positive to negative too). Even if somehow Valve actually listen and fixed the bots for now. I have no faith they will keep supporting the anti cheat. So I want Quick Play back, putting people into community servers that actually got moderation and community made anti cheat that actually ban the bots. is the best for tf2 in the long run. we will upkeep this game better than Valve will ever do. Also "treadmill work" is just normal work and Valve is lazy. Because cs2 also have those problems. #Fixtf2 by #AddQuickPlayBack #RevertTF2toPreMYM

[@mrconroy4672]

Sadly, they might win in the end. The old guard retires and the new guard just simply disrespects the history including tf2.

[@CoolSs]

@@mrconroy4672 true 😔 but That's why we should keep fighting for tf2. Let it get fixed and have Quickplay back before it's too late.

[@mrconroy4672]

@@CoolSs I already did my part even though I’m not a huge tf2 fan.

[@cooliongaming8992]

Cs2 is also infected with bots, and deadlock if comes out will also be infected months after. One person i heard said this which i think valve is working on a anti-bot ai or program for those games, which if true then only have to hope that it gets sent onto tf2 to fix the game. Honestly valve just need to give the game to the community, the community is still passionate for the game after almost 2 decades. Only time will tell if they will fix the game and we will still need to protest for the sake of the game

[@TheCrappyCompletionist]

I don't believe that fixtf2 will achieve anything. Still, this doesn't stop me from joining in the movement. We got nothing to lose, might as well join in, even though I don't think it'll change anything.

[@zekromfan1]

It’s a shame seeing the state the game is in currently, I remember when the bots first started popping up. It was a concern, but nobody really thought it would be anything more than a mild annoyance periodically. Now, it’s taken over the game, these bot hosters are making money off of Valve’s negligence. You didn’t even mention it in this video, but they’re even threatening people, they’re breaking laws willy-nilly without a care. It’s one thing to be a nuisance, it’s another to threaten and dox people. This is reminding me a whole lot of the GTA Online situation, yet another major company not caring about the quality of their product all the while letting it bring it lots of money. GTA Online has the problem with hackers who can find your IP through Rockstar’s shitty online system, they’re the ones at fault and they refuse to fix it. You can’t even stream without being singled out and attacked, doesn’t matter if it’s a private session, they can just join anyway, worst part is that they can ban you by tricking the system into thinking you’re a hacker. Well I’m calling them hackers, but they aren’t literally hackers, most of them anyway, just people using mod menus and what not to cause problems. And much like Valve with Deadlock, Rockstar is releasing GTA VI next year (unless it gets delayed) and with it a new version of GTA Online, so if they haven’t fixed their problem, it’s just going to become an issue for them with their newest release. I hope this gets resolved, but this isn’t an isolated issue, we as players need to have our voices heard, let these game developers and publishers know that we won’t support a broken game with issues like this. Let them know that they aren’t untouchable, even if only 30% of the player base stops supporting them, that’s a huge blow, that’s a lot of money they’re loosing. Just take one look at the current stock market, and you’ll see a lot of examples of how devastating a 30% drop really is.

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

We need to make an even bigger stink

[@richardalpert4005]

I wish people would raise the bar even higher, bots are bad but even without them TF2 is still a bloated mess of a game with outdated engine. Imo the real problem is that Valve decided to spend their time and resources on stuff like Artifact or Deadlock, and not on remaking TF2 on Source 2 from scratch. Having modern tech in a live service game makes it easier to add content and maintain it, while preserving the game's spirit.

[@flareaethyr2773]

this was actually the intended message of the previous #savetf2. it was to say "hey valve your game is in a really bad state right now could you save it." however now with #fixtf2 we are saying "DO THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM AND REMOVE THESE BOTS SO WE CAN AT LEAST PLAY THE GAME!" we did this because APPARRENTLY valve cant do shit.

[@Tritibellum]

well they tried their minimun effort in porting the game into x64 bit version, so i assume we could get more Q.O.L. updates in the future

[@CantusTropus]

Some important context: Valve has very few employees and a very unusual corporate structure. They pride themselves on not having a traditional hierarchy and allowing everyone to work on whatever projects they want. As a result, most people don't want to do the comparatively thankless and unglamorous maintenance work on an old game when they could be working on the cool new experimental games.

[@Eddiemancurly]

the chalk eaters should go to valve headqaurters and sing count to three

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

Valve. We used to make games, now we make money. - If game publishers were honest

[@TheBreakingBenny]

That was a very good video.

[@TromboneGamer]

I wouldn't describe Valve as lazy because I don't think that's true or accurate. It's more that they're greedy, in some cases neglectful (such as TF2), and distrustful. Multiplayer games require dedicated staff to prevent things like the botting issue from getting out of hand. Valve doesn't operate like that and most of the staff doesn't want to work on TF2 just in general. Another problem is they are extremely reluctant to hire help from other sources or companies in large numbers because they don't trust most people to work on their games. On top of that TF2 is an old game that requires unique expertise to parse through the spaghetti code without breaking things. Should valve start making friends with another company to do the treadmill work? Absolutely, but it's probably going to take time to build the kind of trust they're looking for. I also think it's wrong to state that valve has done nothing for the game. The game is now 64 bit and performs much better than it used to and the community has more ways to play and create custom content than ever thanks to Vscript. Lastly, the bot problem won't be going away any time soon until valve can implement better tools to counter bots which will take time. Yes, Valve needs to do more but let's keep our expectations in line.

[@bloodypigeon]

I believe in this movement, don't listen to the doomers in the comments. What Valve is doing or not doing is unforgivable, and not because they neglect one of my favorite games of all time, but because they neglect one of the biggest games of all time. Leaving it to rot when it would be going well as the community has shown for years it would. I don't know what beef Valve had with the game to stop the Saxxy awards and stop the comic releases or stop their moderation support. But no matter what their views are they have a real problem with illegal actions being done within their product and if nothing is done then things will only get worse for them and for us.

[@cantstandurbs876]

Boycotting is the only way forward, if anything one of the biggest and most obvious reasons why Valve hasn't done anything about the game other than downgrade it further with every update, is because of degenerate whales who would rather spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on overpriced gifs over their hats and taunts, voting with their wallets over the past few years and giving Valve a clear message: "Wow the game is in a terrible state and it's borderline unplayable, but we don't care, we just want more lootboxes and we want to buy more unusuals because our self esteem is so fragile we need expensive items to flex. Thanks for spitting in our faces all these years Valve, here's our wallets."

[@strayorion2031]

TF2 being top 50 for 5 years even if it is more than 10 years old is one of the strongest evidence agaisnt FIxTF2 critiques of TF2 being unimportant to valve, I'm pretty sure it has stayed up there just because of how low maintenance it is, they literally do no content updates, and the ones that are done, are literally made by the community, valve has to at least throw a little bit of money to keep the game playable

[@Yushe_]

You are right that it isn't unreasonable to ask Valve to fix the game by stopping the bots. But saying Valve has the resources shows a lack of knowledge on how the company works, Valve might be a giant company but it has an extremely low amount of employees for how big of a company they are. This was from a few years ago but Valve had around 350 employees to manage Steam, create hardware and work on many different projects. Robin Walker has mentioned this before to someone that was doing a tour at Valve when they asked about the bot problem. He essentially explained that Valve is severely understaffed and can't afford the manpower to constantly be fighting with these bot hosters. "Oh but why don't they just hire more employees?" Well because that doesn't solve the problem either, employees can work on what they like and are usually asked by different development teams to come work on there projects resulting in barely anyone working on TF2. I have followed this issue for a long time and have tried to get a good idea of what could be done and why anything isn't being done and I only see one solution. Many people don't know this but Valve did stand by there word with #SaveTF2 they hired a contracter to work on fixing bugs in the game. This contracter is also the reason we have VScript and the 64 bit version of the game. I believe if Valve hired some contracters to work on doing the 'treadmill work' for that anticheat that they don't want to do that this could potentially be a good solution.

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

Corporate politics mean higher level employees can make people not work on """"Low-Value"""" projects like TF2 via rating them negatively on the report or something

[@CantusTropus]

​@@cactusgamingyt9960 Valve has a very unusual corporate structure, though.

[@CantusTropus]

Interesting, but that's still a problem of their own making. Good to hear that there is still a way that they could fix this.

[@XxguaxinimxX.]

Solid points you got there! I just don't understand how valve doesn't know that by updating this game they'll just get more money. I don't think is THAT hard to at least do something. At least SAY something!

[@tentacledood5784]

I hear legend of a certain man in blue that always refused to clean up mold from his walls, guess he also thought it was treadmill work.

[@lucafruttarol287]

At this point I don't care anymore, the bots aren't the only problem: the game is plagued with closet cheaters who never get kicked; there are clowns who switch to medic once they notice they have a cheater in the team to win meaningless casual games; the community has become really toxic. Almost everyday I find some toxic kids who tell me to kys after they get owned or people who spam the worst racial slurs possible. I've completely given up playing in casual mode now. I just play in community jump servers

[@korbyynbear5592]

Vote with your wallet, not mean words. $ talks, BS walks

[@JennTheDerp]

I'm proud to say I'm one of those people who signed the petition, I want to get into the game so badly but can't thanks to the bots

[@ALE199-ita]

guys for the love of god, just go to Team Fortress 2 Classic, support the devs there, they are actually still working on the game, by god if valve wont fix it, support those who *are* fixing TF2. I'm not saying "Do nothing" but god if you love TF2, than why put 5% of this focus that #fixtf2 has been getting, into TF2 Classic?

[@Mirthful_Midori]

I'd go with "both" as an option. It's okay to support this movement, even if it is obviously futile and still enjoy alternatives like "Team Fortress 2 Classic".

[@ALE199-ita]

@@Mirthful_Midori it's less about "Enjoy TF2 Classic" and more "Please you love TF2 so much? fucking support the other ones too instead of yelling in the void and when that fails go "WElp we tried our best, nothing we can do"

[@Mirthful_Midori]

@@ALE199-ita Indeed. I definitely agree it's futile, but good luck getting more people to move on.

[@cybobb]

They have a near monopoly on digital pc games sales. game development is a hobby for this people; which alligns with thisr internal policy of allowing devs to jump from project to project. Cuz who cares if we leave a game to rot; that's not where our money is

[@aydeeaychdee]

I dont play CSGO 2, but I've already heard it's been overrun by cheaters and bots for a while as well. So i KNOW Deadlock is gonna be deadlocked on launch, or at least very shortly after if they still decide to use VAC

[@ProsecutorValentine]

#ValveGetTheseBotsOutOfHere!

[@ZorgSinisterGaming]

those who run the bots wants to kill TF2, if you look at the name of one of the bots, it reads (Mechinator #KillTF2) at 1:32

[@CantusTropus]

How much of a miserable human being do you need to be to actively take joy in taking away something purely because it makes others happy? Or is it the cheap thrill of power they get from making other people upset?

[@ZorgSinisterGaming]

@@CantusTropus someone with no friends, whom has nothing better to do with their time.

[@GibbonFan4000]

Valve are known for very bad communication with customers and are always silent when working on new projects until they come out, we see this with the recent deadlock which is only known because of leaks so maybe this means something is coming.

[@Ars-Nova258]

Never played TF2, but I feel for the community. While I feel like the members trying to create Anti-Cheats in the wake of doxing, impersonation, threats, DDoSing, and slander are more liked to succeed over Valve steeping in… I think the people arguing against this hashtag are fools. Attacking people for trying due to their pessimism is pathetic.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

CS2 is having trouble with cheaters too and Deadlock is going to be DOA if this trend continues. CSGO and TF2 wouldn't have lasted a month if they'd had cheating anywhere near this scale at launch.

[@Ginger_FoxxVT]

We keep going

[@D-N-0]

Dude, 5 years for deadlock? Even a fucking year of lifespan will be way over realistic! It will die on release like artifact

[@CoolSs]

Btw. Deadlock got bot in it beta testing... LIKE HOW.

[@McJuggins]

so now that a vac ban wave occurred a few days ago, what is ur stance on this issue rn? IMO I still wont give them money till the game is in a better place, more than no more bots, but care fore the game in updates

[@foxeye245]

I don’t really spend money on the game, particularly lootboxes. But I will open at least five if Valve does something that actually fixes the problem.

[@mysampleid]

Can someone please explain what does “treadmill work” mean?

[@Creetosis]

Something you have to do constantly. You build an anti-cheat for your game, so botters/hackers build better bots/hacks to get around it, resulting in you needing to improve your anti-cheat, resulting in them needing to improve their bots, resulting in you needing to improve your anti-cheat, etc, etc.

[@mysampleid]

@@Creetosis thank you so much! Also thanks for the content, can’t wait for the fallout tv show review

[@thedylansang]

Valve shutting down all of their online multiplayer games means that they would only be shutting down the Steam master server which is used to list the servers for their games and mods. If this happened we'd need to turn to third-party patches running their own master servers just like with WON2. Even then, players are still running servers for these games and can be connected to whether or not it is listed (you just need the server's IP), so shutting the games down would really be impossible.

[@TwistedFireX]

Reading is treadmill work, so I'm going to assume the topic of the conversation and say whatever I like.

[@derram0k]

Just let the economy die. I don't know how to tell you guys this, but it's over. The game is just the economy now. If Valve fixes the bots, that will also lead to a massive ban wave of the bots that are there purely for idling and drops, and that's the actual playerbase now. I bought the game back when it was 30 bucks, I put in nearly 3k hours, the game is now nearly 20 years old. Sometimes you just gotta know when to press "F."

[@jme4637]

Whatever couple years if safety of two does work it declines back to what it is as we speak my God it's not going to work it might work but I don't know haven't seen the page turn yet let's find out shall we

[@KillerMoustache]

Remember how Valve kept Artifact and Underlords without quietly abandoning both of them with no communication? There's no reason to think they won't just stay quiet and let TF2 get riddled with parasites and die. They've already got a track record of doing that.

[@spamtonspamton3403]

Don’t give up #FIXTF2

[@ondiyaga3298]

At this point i really see the probability that some tf2 players bot the hell out the deadlock just out of spite

[@floppa9415]

GOG is a far superior store. No DRM, no launcher required, same great prices.

[@protkrombere6828]

Is there even a good video game company that has a decent/big size anymore ?

[@keith3278]

DEI money ruined all of them.

[@teamkilled1227]

@@keith3278 minorities have nothing to do with this but ok

[@RoofusRoof19]

Alright boys, we must #BoycottTF2 now

[@WolfDarkrose]

just as a note. i have 400 people on my steams friends list most i still speak with from you guessed it tf2 and i went down my list and 346 of them mind youy a few went on or no longer on steam. would jump on tf2 even if it was a bandaid fix from valve just to get that rush off a bot free causal for a single round

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Valve just wants the money and the player base to save them and shield them from bad wraps except for the over two thousand days without an update, but that's alright in the massive update, but the bots shredded this look and shield and if they ignore it for longer then the bots will more than likely fully control the servers and instantly kick real people in a second and massacre other servers, it will be like the 2020 crash bot crisis all over again

[@nejdetst155]

Join the FixTF2 join the war

[@zachary4423]

#FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@juoonlancer7962]

#SAVETF2 #FIXTF2

[@sygos]

keep making youtube videos and ignore what gabe said in the reddit ama: actually money is how the community steers work. And consoomers are spending money on tf2, proving it's working.

[@zonatedspore97acamas]

Video on the fallout show shills when?

[@amorasilverspark]

It comes out when it comes out.

[@charbway]

mr house is kind of like a bot hoster if you think about it

[@charbway]

except instead of sitting in a basement and annoying people in an online game he sits in a basement and establishes the free economic zone of new vegas

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

He hosts security on bota

[@renon1946]

Even if this game was just an average game, the inability to play the game the way it was intended should be enough to cause indignation. It worked fine, then the bots descended upon it and over time made it unplayable and scared away new and old players. The bot hosters entire plan was to destroy the game and make it unplayable. Under normal circumstances, people would have fled to other games after leaving a bad review. That's not how this went down though. Because this game is so popular, people needed to be encouraged to leave a bad review! After five years we needed to be told to make noise! We like this game and enjoy playing it! We don't think it's a bad game! It's always had its flaws and it's been a goofy ass hat simulator for a decade now, and we needed to be told to complain about the bs going on around us! Even as its falling apart around us we play, but it's literally unpossible that they can't do anything, i refuse to believe they are anything but complacent. And they expect to release a new game and it to not get infested with cheaters and bots, because their anticheat is anything but working as intended.

[@xXSimplySammyXx]

Thanks for the video! ❤ #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@SubPriestPepsi]

I wouldn't even be mad if VALVe just told us they weren't supporting TF2 anymore, they've been doing it for a while and nows a better time than ever to call it a day; my main issue is that they haven't said _anything at all_ which is just so disingenuous.

[@ShainuShaymin]

I get the feeling Valve won't listen unless TF2 is utterly abandoned by the player base by this point, left with nothing but bots as it's player count

[@videakias3000]

what if valve is secretely behind the bots? maybe they want to murder their game.

[@RW1A]

I bet If everyone started playing casual all at once, there would actually be a lot of games you can play without the bots being horrid

[@ThePhantom9495]

Gonna be honest, I think Valve is only ever going to do one thing that'll impact with the bot problem, and that's shutting down the official servers. They've made their stance clear countless times in the past, they don't care about this game anymore, it doesn't make enough money to bother with more than maintenance. They'll keep servers and add cosmetics for at long as it's profitable but once the money stops, it's over.

[@BAMFZone95]

The kings of not doing anything and winning. If I was betting, I'd say valve isn't fixing anything. But I applaud everyone for trying. Keep going :)

[@tuefort957]

*Give up* and *Move on* instead, M8. TF2 has gotten *WORSE* and I'm afraid that this "Fix TF2" stuff is going to *FAIL* to do anything to actually help it. Best to just #AbandonTF2 instead... But don't lose hope. We'll still have both *TF2 Classic* and *Open Fortress* to replace and *SUCCEED* the game's legacy... Plus even if the game is dead; TF2 will not truly die for it will forever be *IMMORTALISED* deep within *Hearts,* *Memories,* *Community Servers,* and *SFM/GMod* animations

[@Creetosis]

No doomerism, no defeatist attitude. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of every time someone tries to change things for the better, people like you come out of the woodwork saying just give up, just let go, just move on. Enough.

[@tuefort957]

@@Creetosis ... Ok 0_0'

[@skullofglory10]

On other news: The spy is PROBABLY french, Maybe.

[@MocchiDraws]

Valve is a joke. Half life is dead in the water for 15 years (No a VR exclusive doesn't count), Counter Strike Go was just straight up deleted for an objectively inferior product. And ALL their online games have ddos and bot issues. The issues cut way deeper than the aimbots. Modern Valve makes YandereDev look like a programming genius.

[@TheBigRaisi]

I did my part #FIXtf2

[@Turboautismo]

Cree, i am the blackpill.

[@danin900]

I gotta be honest, only way to truly make Valve do something is to just start boycotting the economy. If it affects their bottom line, that might be the only way to get them to do _something_ . Issue is, it's a catch 22. Who's to say this doesn't make Valve just drop support for TF2? It's a fucked up situation.

[@ondiyaga3298]

Letting bots to run free is practically already death for the game so it`s potentiall lose lose situation, but as i belive, horrible end is better than endless horror

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Zesty Jesus brought up an interesting point in regards to TF2's "Mannconomy" that I hadn't really thought of before. That being the reason Valve keeps TF2's item servers going is to protect CSGO(Now CS2) and DOTA 2's economies. If they drop TF2 it could cause people to abandon their other games too, because the same could happen to them.

[@ondiyaga3298]

@@Mirthful_Midori Fair point, but bot problem spreading to their other games that shows their willing to just "fake it till you make it"

[@yeahrightgetreal]

Most of the Steam playercount is all bots too. Theres only some diehards still playing. I last played in 2021 and it was the same thing, you had to get lucky to get in a full game where no one left to experience an actual game in casual. The Meet your match Update it 2016 was when it started to become a problem, worst update in the lifespan of Tf2

[@alaeriia01]

Wait, why do we give Valve a pass for inventing loot boxes?

[@spouwnerring]

I watched Moistcritical's video on the subject and then went into the comments. The reply chain on the top rated comment is an absolute shit show. It starts off with the commenter informing people that the bot hosters are trying to kill the fix TF2 movement by issueing faulse strikes. The 1st 3-5 replies to the comment are people expressing disgust at the bot hosters for trying to silence the movement, but then it devolves into an extremely uncivil debate regarding the legality and morality of loli- and shota-con. I tried to put a stop to the debate by stating that everyone is vering off topic and that we should all focus our attention at the subject at hand. I got yelled at then people just ignored me as they continued talking about the irrelevant subject.

[@Michaeltje89]

You can apply for a job at valve.... WINK WINK