CRF450L vs the KTM 500EXC F which is the better dualsport

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[@dougstand8828]

this is a spot on review. I test road both, the 500 and the crf450L. The 450 felt better on road and had a comfort to it. I felt like I can explore longer with the 450 but the 500 wanted to be ridden hard. Definitely a more aggressive offroadbike. This is the review we need, the reliability, the reported miles, oil change intervals. good job! glad you did the research on what people were getting on their engines

[@RWWRENTAL]

haha thanks man! just wished I tested it on ST. but it was from a random guy and did not want to abuse it or drop it lol

[@Bonedeth12]

I've owned both bikes. Both even at the same time. The 500 is what I kept while giving the honda the boot. The 500 has the best filtration system for the oil that I've ever seen. Everything on it is so well designed and thought out, I can't imagine reliability being a problem. The honda is a great bike but from the factory it needs help. It's heavier, runs so lean that its almost unenjoyable to ride, its a way bigger bike. The 500 (like any other bike on the market) also runs lean... HOWEVER it doesn't flameout, the power delivery is smooth, the transmission is unbelievably smooth and maintenance is a piece of cake with how well thought out the design of the bike is. The 500 gives off a sort of encouragement to give it more juice and flickability in the tight stuff... its hard to explain. Maybe its weight and size has something to do with it but it has a very mellow characteristics to it just off idle, but once mid range hits everything just flows. The plush WP suspension, the smooth power delivery, the feedback from the chasis. Its all fantastic and gives off confidence. On the road the KTM also has a huge advantage. And that would be its overdrive 6th gear. You can basically throw any gear ratio at this bike and freeway riding wouldn't be an issue. 1-5 is close ratio where 6th is the ultimate highway cruiser. I run 13-50 and anything under 52MPH in 6th would lug the hell out of the engine. The Honda definitely got buzzy on the freeway. It felt like it was being rang out anything past 60, whereas the KTM was just getting comfortable. The disadvantage to the orange and white bikes? The headlight! Why KTM wouldn't include LEDs in their street or even dirt package is beyond me. This is an expensive bike. And I'm nitpicking but the headlight is basically useless. It offers no light at all in a darkened environment. It's an easy fix but I would definitely like to see LEDs come standard .

[@fynn8252]

This information is very informative and helpful. I don’t hear from many people who owned both. I currently own a KTM 525 and I hate the carburetor since it’s always giving me trouble; even after countless troubleshooting. I’ll have a professional look at it next week. Right now the bike is running 14F/48R and 60 mph cruising is harsh! The engine feels like it’s reaching the limits. The Honda was on my mind because my current KTM has slightly upset me and it’s always good to try a new brand. But I can’t stop hearing good things about the KTM 500. The choice is pretty difficult but you get a much better package from the factory with the exc. People always say that Honda has better reliability but I don’t think this is true anymore. The 500 has been taken all across the world without any issues! Some folks report 15,000 miles until a valve inspection. I believe both are good choices but I always find myself going to that KTM. I don’t know where my future decisions will take me, but hopefully somewhere adventurous.

[@Bonedeth12]

@@fynn8252 both are excellent bikes but I believe you should give KTM a second chance. This is by far the best dirtbike I've ever owned. If the chance ever pops up, try taking one out for a spin. You won't be disappointed

[@leanit5756]

I owned both too. My analysis: KTM engine vibrated too much, Honda vibrated more. KTM fueling was a little fluffy, Honda's was worse and made way worse by too light of a flywheel. KTM seat was uncomfortable, Honda's was criminal. KTM suspension was sweet, Honda's had more fork stiction than any motorcycle I have ever seen. KTM's standard suspension settings were great even as delivered, Honda's were too stiff even when loosened up. Honda was a PITA to lube chain due to plastic thing on rear sprocket. Honda's engine cover that had to be removed to change oil was annoying. Plastics and decals were poor quality on KTM, Honda's were pretty good. KTM key/steering head lock were a joke. I got rid of both, but if I did it again, between those two I would go with the EXCF.

[@ajbarrick1894]

I’m curious how long you kept the bikes/how many miles you put on them? I absolutely hated my 450 L when I first bought it brand new. Forks were harsh, fueling was not good and the brakes sucked. It felt buzzy but no worse than my 650 L. After about 1500 miles I could not have asked for a sweeter motorcycle. The bike was literally too tight from new. Once it breaks in the suspension action is very smooth/predictable. When knew, it deflected off of everything and drove me insane. I ended up with a vortex on mine and that took care of the low speed/tip in throttle problems. The brakes after they finally bed in we’re also top-notch. I think most of us don’t give ourselves enough time to acclimate to the bike or enough time to let them break in before judging the product and/or making mods. I also have a 2016 500 EXC. Stock versus stock, the KTM is a more usable “better” bike. Equally set up with pipe/ECU/gearing changes, I think the Honda might be the better machine as a true dual purpose bike. The KTM does have slightly better tight course turn in but the Honda chassis is rock solid at speed. This KTM is my first PDS bike though too. It definitely has a different feel to it that you have to get used to. I’m thinking about trying a 450X next, I think it might be the sweet spot bike for how/what I ride.

[@LynyrdNestor]

Me and my son has 2024 ktm 500excf. We absolutely love the bikes. I’ve been riding a KTM EXCF for years now. They are super reliable and the new model changes was a great move for KTM. LED headlight was one of them. The new frame and forks are a great upgrade for 2024. Love riding it in the mountains of West Virginia. Just 14 miles from the famous Blackwater 100 race.

[@william6815]

Finally a proper review the Honda is a actual dual sport I own a 450L and a KTM 250 and the Honda on the road is by far the better bike if your riding to the trails or desert the Honda would be the better choice the more weight on the road the better keeps you more stable but if you tow your bike to the bush all the time KTM you be the pick or the husky 501 imo but no doubt the Honda will keep up just needs a vortex ecu and mud tiers and it keeps up no worries I recon the Honda is the better bike for all around riding Thankyou for the awesome review!

[@pestera6]

Yes reliability is the key, as we buy bikes to ride not to play mechanics on them . Good video 👍

[@MrCrs911]

I have both and you can feel the weight difference especially on tight single track. Other than that, I agree with your assessment. Well done on the video.

[@jeffosland5447]

Good video. I own the 450L, love the bike! I really am just a motorcycle aficionado, so brand doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I see alot of weak riding videos of the 450L, which drives me crazy. The bike is capable of soooooo much more! I like to share my opinion on this topic because I think the 450L has received an unfair response due to specs, and people going off just those without riding the bike. The reality is Honda did a great job with this bike, but there are alot of Honda haters out there, constantly bashing anything Honda makes. I was literally in the same predicament as you with these two bikes. Don't get me wrong, a few mods need to be done to the Honda, but when made I can guarantee it will hang with the KTM.

[@RWWRENTAL]

thanks man I appreciate you watching!! Oh yeah totally believe it. I htink a lot of people freak out because of the weight, but you really dont even feel it. it really feels like a normal dirtbike, just more comfortable lol

[@controlledfreakr]

Jeff Osland the LX comes with propper tyres and 50hp. It’s an animal 👌🏾❤️

[@donlyons899]

Jeff Osland .... what’s mods did you make ? What are your thoughts on KTM 690r enduro ?

[@bradl45]

Thanks for the video, I'm a KTM 500 guy with a plate, It's perfect for me in my favorite setting, the T1 Tour of Idaho. I ride the 1300 miles, change oil, and tires and ride the trail in reverse, my last KTM 530 went 26,000 miles, one piston change at 12K for piece of mind, and at 26K miles, sold running great, no issues(but was not teenage owned, lol) I'm looking at CRf450L info(thanks for your input!) I hope it has serious Honda Longevity, to me it's a DRZ400E(plated)Replacement, 6 gears, 450, much better suspension, would love to see a side cover to increase oil capacity, but I like what I see!! It's heavier than the 500(50 lbs with fuel maybe) but I love the subframe, and vibe dampening swing arm!!! The weight isn't an issue with me, as it will see over half street miles vs dirt!! Slightly used ones are so rare, but I'm looking. Would love to see larger tanks, the KTM 690 is a low fuel bike too unless your throw $$ at it. I'm sure the 450L could rock the T1 easy too.

[@Kickstart500]

I was looking hard at both and settled on the 500 exc-f.. largely because of the fact that no one had a 450L

[@Kickstart500]

Kelse 500 exc f is 240lbs dry according to KTM. CRF450L is 289 lbs

[@wayward03]

@@Kickstart500 thats wet weight for the Honda. Kelse is correct.

[@bradl45]

If you have either the ktm or the honda, your a winner. Currently, both. Bikes need to be uncorked 🤣 The honda is heavier, but is sporting some armor. I've been a ktm 510cc guy for 16 years(520, 525, 530, 500), love the torque. Single track is so easy, but I'm moving to a 350exc for mpg, T1 tour of Idaho, some gas stops are 250 miles apart. 65mpg trail riding helps, lol. Slab, either of these doing 400 miles a day, makes my body ache just thinking about it, but I'd ride either of these on the TaT, although a twin would be better for me 😁.

[@MotoMadness]

KTM would be the clear winner in performance but not budget

[@RWWRENTAL]

oh dang MM is here! thanks for watching! yeah for sure totally agree!! I think in the long run honda will be more friendly on your pocket

[@MtnPeakEnduro]

The 450L can handle some serious single track. It should be even better when I dump the heavy stock exhaust.

[@mxgryan]

500 EXC is my dream bike!

[@drewmorg.]

CRF 450L is so damn good on the road. Really fun to drive on the street.

[@texlee1640]

I have owned both, I currently still have the 500 EXC. Both are super reliable, multiple KTM 500's have gone around the globe, no 450L/RL's have that claim, yet. OCI's can be stretched to the same interval, better aftermarket for the orange bike. Where the hairs get split is where the strengths lie for these bikes. The Honda has a smoother motor and that combined with its extra weight make for a better on road bike. The KTM has better power, especially when uncorked, but it is a buzzier motor. The KTM is lighter weight and is simply the better bike off-road. KTM costs more both before and after the purchase as well so keep that in mind. The Honda is great for high speed desert use and the KTM is the better slow speed technical weapon. Decide what you need from the bike and how you intend to use it and then pick one from there. You really can't go wrong either way as they are the two best 450/500 options on the market.

[@rainforestridersau7865]

Hello , good honest video there mate ,, i have a crf450L that i use for single track riding here in Australia, i generally push tracks up mountains where there are no trails or roads, in standard from its a bit snappy for the real tight stuff but it will do it, a few simple mods help though its pretty easy to set it up for this kinda riding, best mods i recomend for this are a G2 throttle tamer, stealthy flywheel weight and change the rear sprocket from 51 to 53, changing the rear muffler also saves heaps of weight as it weighs 6.5kg!! not to mention all the other stuff you can pull off it even the mirrors are pretty heavy, yes it will never be as light as a 500exc but it can be made a lot closer, if your using the standard USA ECU you can do a DIY map switch for almost free (see my channel) it tricks it into thinking its in 6th gear all the time , this helps a lot in the gnarly riding cheers

[@controlledfreakr]

Rainforest Riders Au I’ve found that the enduro map makes a big difference for traction

[@dalenifong2275]

I own a CRF. I can easily outrun my buddy on his 500 exc. I weight 150. He weights 225. I’m in better shape and more experienced. So it’s also the rider.

[@Legacyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

lmao

[@dalenifong2275]

update. i still own the honda. now its tunned up, piped, race tech susp, racluse, etc. "its fast." I just bough a ktm 350 exc. I like it. especially in a tight single track where i'm falling over, and trying to get over a huge log etc. I still like the Honda on a duel sport ride. cant compare to the comfort and road handling characteristics. dale

[@codenamenoob4973]

It's 100% the rider in this case 😂 KTM eats and shites the Honda

[@davidzamudio3837]

I used to have both bikes and certainly, Honda never got overheat and KTM on exactly same biker and trail, it happened regularly; in terms of power, KTM all the way!. KTM has rough riding but in the good way, much more difficult to ride but for sure it felt more single track capable. It depends a lot on your riding style, I'm more more Honda-styled rider.

[@ghostridersnr]

You have excellent videos man. Congrats and subbed👍🏻

[@RWWRENTAL]

Thanks man appreciate it!

[@deadahead8701]

I have the Honda CRF450L, the weight is easily shaved from the 450l so far I’ve done the fmf exhaust, vortex ecu, thermostat and Charcoal canister delete kit. I paid 9,125$ for a 19 I couldn’t touch a ktm 500 for that.

[@enduroforever4878]

Awesome bikes both!

[@RWWRENTAL]

Yeah they are!! They both were great

[@americandirtrider7662]

Any reason Beta isn't on your Radar? Service intervals similar to Honda, but less weight. More HP than the KTM, but smoother delivery.

[@RWWRENTAL]

I am considering one lol. I have a 350rr already, but I usually review bikes I test ride from my buddies ha ha. thinking of maybe selling it and getting the 500

[@americandirtrider7662]

@@RWWRENTAL Oh, haha. Didn't know you are already a Beta owner. The 500 is great. The 2020 is supposed to get dual injection like the Race Edition, so that will make it very smooth in power top to bottom. And better MPG!

[@RWWRENTAL]

@@americandirtrider7662 woah!! dual injection! that is pretty sweet lol!! do you know if one fails, one can act as aback up or its all under one circuit?

[@mxgryan]

I did like the 500RR but for parts and knowledge availability alone I would go KTM.

[@jimmiller3594]

i had a 450 ktm excw and a wr250f and put 11000 mile on each before selling them and never had the values adjusted

[@kungfucommando1642]

The Honda shines in long-term reliability and low maintenance requirements. Make mine red.

[@ryanmalone2681]

500 mile oil changes? That’s twice a month! Nevermind. Thought I would get something more nimble for local dirt, but I think I’ll keep tackling it with my GS. What a pain in the tits.

[@markozer0]

the difference is not so deep in terms of maintenance maybe: Honda change oil and filter every 1000 km , KTM every 20 hours (says manual) but probably for dual sport use it will change at same km of Honda. The serious difference is in terms of weight: Honda is heavy than KTM EXC...a good point for Honda are the Showa Suspension...WP are very very bad

[@johnanthony6141]

That’s cool, I Ride a white Ktm. Plz share this riding place in Colorado.

[@bentbars9366]

How did you feel about the Husqvarna

[@DualsportDisport]

Absolutely love my FE501

[@bhart89]

I’d like to hear your opinion of the CRF450L vs the 701 for two track, fire roads and paved back roads. Are the two bikes in the same ball park?

[@RWWRENTAL]

that will be a hard one. I know the crf450L I feel would be better suited for more technical tighter stuff as it has more low end grunt vs the 701 endu. the 701 likes to be ridden fast with minimal low end. the 701 does great holding its speed at 75 80mph. I havent done highway speeds witht he crf450L at 70 80mph but to me the crf450L was more comfortable as far as seat and height goes and its more of a relaxed throttle control vs the 701. 701 is much more aggressive. I might make a video of this if I can get a crf450L once dealerships open up again

[@mt1885]

*KTM/Husky/BETA all the way!*

[@RWWRENTAL]

haha yup! I have a Husky but I also want a beta again. Beta are a special breed

[@mt1885]

@@RWWRENTAL BETA's look epic nice!!! The steel frame is so much nicer and none of the buzzzzzing of the aluminum.

[@roughpatchroad]

Man what a great review! Really looking to pull the trigger on one of the two! I told myself I’m going to wait until I hit 1000 subs on KZbin!

[@RWWRENTAL]

thanks buddy! yeah they are both good! I think I am going to go with a crf450L it seems to answer to my kind of riding a lot more and still has the potential to really do gnarly stuff

[@roughpatchroad]

RideWithWill Awesome man when you do please do a mini series really going in depth. Thanks man keep up the great content!

[@jakobcrawford2753]

How does someone already have 20k-30k miles on a Honda 450L already??? :O

[@RWWRENTAL]

Adventure riders there is a huge section on it on advrider

[@davidbillingsly9228]

They stick to gravel and paved roads. No way that's singletrack.

[@controlledfreakr]

Should of tried the lx with the enduro map.

[@gt7500]

Why didn't you test this against the FE450 or 450 EXC-F?

[@RWWRENTAL]

lol I cant just grab any bike I see. But after this video I did test the EXC-F 450 one of my buddies had. It is a great bike linear like the 350 not as snappy as the 500 but the 450s power comes on a little quicker and soon vs the 350. I would say that would be a great x-country bike

[@ghostridersnr]

RideWithWill hi Will. Are you saying a less experienced rider would find the 450 a little easier to ride?

[@santiagomatamoros7885]

Will I be happy with a CRF300Rally?

[@RWWRENTAL]

it depends on the kind of riding you will do. I test rode about all the hondas out there and I have alot more experience and better of a rider now. if you tell me your idea of riding, I can tell you if the rally would be a great bike for you

[@bj-th7ul]

My question also... I'm an experienced 67 yo rider living near Battle Ground WA. I see good potential riding this area even though I have hardly gotten past riding Google Maps from my Lazyboy. Recently sold my KLR650 (around town scooter) and relocated from the Seattle area - wish I would have kept the KLR now even though it would have been trouble for me on much more than forest service roads. I am certainly not expecting to be into stunt riding, but I would like to fly the front wheel and spin the rear some. These reviews are important... and so I've been keyboarding and mousing my way to being as informed as the presentations allow... if there are significant issues with the 450l that really impact ownership satisfaction in a negative way they aren't hardly obvious here - even in the fan club... & I saw another review that seemed to be honestly saying the 450l has some relevant issues. I'm leaning towards the 300Rally from all of what I can put together. thanks for sharing (everyone), gracias

[@bj-th7ul]

@@RWWRENTAL My question also... I'm an experienced 67 yo rider living near Battle Ground WA. I see good potential riding this area even though I have hardly gotten past riding Google Maps from my Lazyboy. Recently sold my KLR650 (around town scooter) and relocated from the Seattle area - wish I would have kept the KLR now even though it would have been trouble for me on much more than forest service roads. I am certainly not expecting to be into stunt riding, but I would like to fly the front wheel and spin the rear some. These reviews are important... and so I've been keyboarding and mousing my way to being as informed as the presentations allow... if there are significant issues with the 450l that really impact ownership satisfaction in a negative way they aren't hardly obvious here - even in the fan club... & I saw another review that seemed to be honestly saying the 450l has some relevant issues... & there was good conversation about relaxing the scheduled maintenance recommendations for more casual operations. I'm leaning towards the 300Rally from all of what I can put together. thanks for sharing (everyone), gracias

[@RWWRENTAL]

@@bj-th7ul The rally 300 is very comfortable and feels very off-road oriented. you will be happy with it. If I was going to mostly be doing easy forest roads and basic trails, the 300L rally would be preferred by a long shot as far as smoothness and comfort.

[@massimilianocirulli5706]

KTM is a mustang... thanks for the video

[@motocookie7545]

Idk where people get weights from. Revzilla had a KTM 500 actually on a scale and it weighed 275 with a full tank of full

[@RWWRENTAL]

Thanks for clarifying that. I got mine off the KTM website.

[@viralvidz4u257]

you are contradicting yourself, because revzilla shows the 500 in this article as weighing 250lbs wet ON THE SCALE prior to adding gas and SHOULD weigh 275, meaning they didnt weigh it with gas..it was a guess. and crf450L weighs 289 wet with no gas. still a huge difference. People usually weigh bikes before gas, we all know that. www.revzilla.com/common-tread/honda-takes-aim-at-ktm-with-a-performance-oriented-dual-sport-the-2019-crf450l so RWW is spot on. I was debating on these 2 as well

[@rcinoc3948]

450l with fmf full exhaust and vortex It’s easy to drop 10lbs of the 450l Smog delete etc 6 year warranty 👍

[@JohnnyBoy919]

@@viralvidz4u257 according to Honda's website the crf450l weighs 289 pounds with all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel ready to ride.

[@gt7500]

@@viralvidz4u257 Huh? Wet weight is with fluids. It is an undisputable FACT that the Honda CRF450L is 289 pounds, WET. We also know what fuel weighs. 8 pounds per gallon. So 275, or 276 pounds sounds correct for the KTM 500 EXC-F. So, about 15 pounds difference. But, the Honda comes with a rad. fan, skid plate, proper subframe, etc.. Once you put all the usual aftermarket stuff on the KTM it will gain some weight.

[@C_R_O_M________]

Oil and valve check maintenance intervals are quoted having in mind RACING not touring and dual sporting. This is the general consensus of any rider that has used and eventually opened up the KTM to find out that nothing was out of order. The whole narration of this video is actually misleading.

[@RWWRENTAL]

what would be the actual maintenance schedule of a KTM500 for dualsporting vs racing if the manual even have those specs? and what is misleading? both are great bikes, both last a long time. I even mentioned some people went up to 30k miles without even checking valves even on the KTM500. I mean im not bashing any bikes lol...both are awesome bikes. only thing I noticed was just crf450L was more comfortable. and every1 changes their oil every 3 or 4 rides regardless of racing or not. I even change my DRZ400E oil every 4 or 5 rides.

[@MrScoobieman]

I just picked up a 450L !!

[@controlledfreakr]

Cool stuff how do you like the bike so far bro?

[@MrScoobieman]

Control Freak Australia no regrets at all, I have 1400km on it. It’s an amazing bike

[@controlledfreakr]

Cool stuff same here. Just clicked over 1700. Bloody weapon

[@jeffmunro7638]

Welcome to the club. Shes an awesome ride. ......except the flame outs lol, shall be fixed as soon as off warranty

[@benjaminwatson7166]

I disagree the 500 is the better sm moto the crf450l is an alrounder , 500 will do anything the 450 can do but do it better

[@brianrichard1768]

Honda Comfort? That's one of the worst seats ever put on any bike.

[@maximemitchell117]

I think he speaks about the vibration

[@Dirtpoorhomesteader]

I sat on a crf450l for a few minutes at dealer. I don’t think I have ever sat on such a horrible seat and on a bike that’s supposed to be a dual sport. I’m sure Honda will maybe work this out in time. Surely there are aftermarket solutions at this point.

[@brianrichard1768]

@@Dirtpoorhomesteader My friend that I ride with has the 450l. He did a seat concepts seat. It was a huge improvement.

[@MotoWorld777]

So i am seeing a husky... wheres the ktm?

[@RWWRENTAL]

video is kind of old, but my gopro kept having issues and freezing so I did not much have riding footage. It was my buddies bike. I dont do much videos anymore, but both are really good bike. the crf450L feels more stable at speed and on the road and over smoother, but the ktm500 has a higher fun factor more powerful and I would say if you ride the gnar a lot more, esp tight single track thats rocky and such at speed the ktm 500 is better. For me, the 450L is a better choice for me at this point of time since I dont really ride much gnar anymore. I do more exploring on mining roads and stuff.

[@user-qc4tt2qm9v]

Honda CRF450L vs KTM 500 EXC, but is riding a 2 stroke Husqvarna. LOL

[@RWWRENTAL]

so? i dont have footage on the 500 and 450 everytime i was out to test ride one. Does not mean i have not ridden them...

[@CoolEyeColorado]

Go KTM :)

[@RWWRENTAL]

and husqvarna :D

[@rcinoc3948]

Crf450l with vortex and fmf full exhaust Night and day difference Ride red and enjoy the 6 year warranty 👍

[@micjubba2271]

Ktm==== kak trash motorbikes lol

[@koehn979]

Love me some Rampart Range!

[@santiagomatamoros7885]

I believe the Columbine Killers enjoyed Rampart Range too.

[@koehn979]

@@santiagomatamoros7885 Fake news

[@santiagomatamoros7885]

@@koehn979 Only if the author of “Columbine” was lying.

[@koehn979]

@@santiagomatamoros7885 Everyone in the whole state of Colorado goes there. Ted Bundy attended the university of Washington. WTF you got to say about that? Troll...

[@CRIFLIFE]

For $1,000 bucks more get the KTM.

[@mxgryan]

I agree.

[@CRIFLIFE]

The MX Guru i picked up a exc 500 two months ago. Stock its a monster. All it needs is moto tires imo.

[@mxgryan]

@@CRIFLIFE dude that's awesome! I'm wanting one sooo bad! I test rode one a couple weeks ago. It has been a good video too!

[@CRIFLIFE]

The MX Guru I watched the video of you riding the 500 xcw-f. After watching that i thought to myself that I bought the wrong bike but being able to ride it from trail to trail on the road ia really nice. The first time I rode a 500 i thought it should be illegal lol. Its a legit motocrosser with a light and tags. Unbelieveable

[@Ray-cv6gc]

Got my 2020 500exc for $9500

[@Merc399]

the 450L is worse than an uncorked DRZ... the 500 exc f is way better than both. horsepower to weight ratio is unbeatable... no one doing these comparisons mentions horsepower these videos honestly seem like people trying to justify an emotional decision working backwards rather than making a genuine comparison. the better bike is the better bike. that's the comparison. which bike is better. not which bike is for you.

[@DB-fn3fz]

So both bikes have their clear strengths and weaknesses but since you prefer one bike, it's better than the other one. Got it.

[@mikeerdman4831]

Don’t even have to watch the ktm is definitely the better bike. Honda league.

[@micjubba2271]

Honda all day long

[@micjubba2271]

Go ktm if u want to pay for new parts every 500 miles lol

[@RWWRENTAL]

hate to break it to you, but i know many people with KTMs around colorado and I am yet to see one break down. i think people who say comments like this just follow the crowd that talk negatively about KTMs since they never owned one or cant afford one. there is one guy in our group who has a 2001 KTM and is yet to have a failure. as of now, my klx250 had issues, my drz400 had issue, my cb500x honda has an issue. my husky which is made by ktm, 0 issues

[@Ray-cv6gc]

What kind of new parts? Learn how to ride or learn how to wreck then you won't need new parts!

[@dustyweasel41]

@@RWWRENTAL exactly. My 1190r hasn’t been a burden at all. From down here at PMI in Pueblo, Moab trails, even out on the east coast where I came from. I did have to replace the slave cylinder. No biggie. I’m a huge Honda fan, and have crashed all of them. I pick them up and start them. They Go go go. Like any bike, keep the oil clean and ride...

[@AllThingsFabrication]

That sounds like a bunch of Jubba Jabber! The EXC is built like a rock!