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[@DungBui-pj1gg]

Really cool design, felt like a budget Richard Mille but in a good way. Can't wait to get mine in February

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - any reason why not get one now?

[@DungBui-pj1gg]

@@PerthWAtch I still have to wait for that lucky money lol 🤣

[@TheAlexxxMackie]

Did it feel like it has quality? Worth the 200?

[@DungBui-pj1gg]

@@TheAlexxxMackie I've used it almost everyday for 1 year now and still works well

[@PerthWAtch]

Nah Flixzone sucks!

[@stationplaza4631]

The design isn't my cup of tea. Even so, it clearly is a very well made piece. Thanks for showing us Ivan.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - yeah the design can be polarizing I think...

[@neilpiper9889]

Sea-gull movement attracts me. Accurate and reliable from my experiences with my 3 Sea-gull automatics.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks Neil - yeah that's my experience with them too! :)

[@TheGoodwolfe]

Thanks Ivan for reviewing this interesting piece! I have a love/hate relationship with skeleton watches, in that I love being able to watch the little "engine" (mvt) in there working away, but frustrated by the fact that so often they are too hard to see the actual time because the hands blend into the open dial. For me, it would increase the appeal ten fold if they just used contrasting black or white hour & minutes hands.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah I totally agree with that - making a skeleton dial doesn't automatically have to mean the time become very difficult to read - high contrast on the hands should've been implemented!

[@rayquintanilla614]

I’ve really liked the offerings from Ciga and this one is really exceptional. I agree that it is something special to look at. I like that they put the red tips on the hands, but I wish they did not skeletonize them. A watch should always be, first and foremost, an easily readable timepiece. Otherwise, it’s just jewelry. It can be aesthetically pleasing for sure, but always easily readable. Thanks Ivan.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - very good point and idea I think, to make the hands solid and of higher contrast so that one could tell the time easily, as *should have* been the case!

[@kyran2363]

My favorite watch brand is RM but since I dont have that much money I am definitely going to buy this thnx for the great video!!!!

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha most welcome - all the best :)

[@rhamzellpingol7873]

on point

[@TedCornish]

CIGA make brilliant watches. Not easy to tell the time but the designs are amazing. It's on the list naughty ivan 👍👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha glad to hear that - I really quite liked this one :)

[@moonbeardoor]

As a subscriber from South Korea, you're a very good watch reviewer! I enjoy watching all of your videos and I hope you review more unique skeleton watches!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that, I really appreciate the positive feedback :)

[@MikeAustin2012]

Hello my friend. There is a lot I like about this watch. The case, skeleton style to start. I will never wear a rubber I.e. silicone band (or a NATO). but to each his own. I agree its likely slow or needs a second look to tell time but, I like the hands and splash of colour welcome. I would wear it on black leather or gator. Good review. I'm still watching.

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha thanks Mike, the silicone is a bit of insane fun that I like. I think I would be more settled with black rubber or leather overall :)

[@snacklofter]

Interesting! I could imagine 'Producer Michael' wearing this one. atb snack.

[@PerthWAtch]

Hmm interesting... do you mean our friend Michael Bay??

[@eduardolugo427]

I have this exact watch and I love it 💯

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s cool!

[@kerpowski1]

Cool design, that case is really unique. Looks great with that red strap!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - yeah I do like the overall look here. Whether it's unique however, it probably isn't so much... lots of inspiration taken from Richard Mille

[@tankt13]

Wow this is a pretty sweet timepiece!! Made me a fan!!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man - glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@neilpiper9889]

I have the round plastic version which cost me £70 on a red silicone strap. It has been within 5 seconds a day so far. I love it. The Seagull movement is a a modified st17

[@PerthWAtch]

Nice! I know the one you're referring too although didn't go for it as the aesthetic didn't quite grab me.

[@neilpiper9889]

@@PerthWAtch I might get the one you reviewed there as well. I like the shape and the quick release bands

[@urieelSEptim]

i guess i would prefer a black version. really interesting design! The sapphire crystal is impressive at that price point. i think thats the best watch if you want that rm-look without paying a fortune

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - yeah some color variations would be nice, especially if it made the hands of higher contrast (i.e. easier to read!). I think this is the best RM style watch around $200 that I'm aware off for sure...

[@randynovick7972]

Like some of the other commenters, I'll also say that skeleton watches are not my cup of tea. At the same time, I like how this one has been done. I think it may be the easiest-to-read skeleton watch I've probably ever seen. Jody over at JOMW recently looked at another Ciga watch and I thought that one was cleverly designed as well, but I find this one (strangely) even more accessible than that one. Thanks very much for taking this one out for a spin with us. Always a pleasure.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for those thoughts Randy - glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@Sdhanbir]

Great review. I ordered mine today and can't wait to get it!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man - this is a keeper for me, I was just wearing it again yesterday :)

[@hvacae6904]

Im not into a chinese watch but this watch makes a good looks same as higher end watch i hope they would sell this on any physical shops

[@PerthWAtch]

No I am aware that CIGA Design sell anything in physical shops... definitely not in Australia, but perhaps they do in China.

[@jklfafa]

awesome, glad you are finding these gems

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man - glad you liked it :)

[@anthonynigelkendrick5474]

Hi there, i think this watch is very nice . Would you be tell me what you look for/ desire in a micro brand watch> Only some friends & myself are looking to put out a very LTD amount of the micro brand we are creating. As an expert would you tell us what you hope for when review a micro- brand watch would help us in creating an watch that you would desire?

[@PerthWAtch]

Well I don’t claim to be an expert by any means! But based on what feedback I have had, here are some points that people seem to prefer: - NOT a dive watch - definitely NOT a submariner homage. If doing homage best to do something vintage and less common. - up to $250 an NH35 is ok, but above that push for Miyota 9000 series. Above $450 push for Swiss movement - SuperLuminova - Sapphire crystal - Special materials elsewhere if possible, eg. Ceramic, carbon fibre - max 42mm, better yet 40mm or below, and thinner is better - screw crown and at least 100m WR - don’t use an OEM bracelet if possible - solid end links, screw link adjust if possible All the above are the on-paper specs. In the end the design plays a bigger part than any single facet, and certainly best if it’s original.

[@briancolyer8483]

Looks good, interesting design, the rubber looks far better than the leather....⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - I agree! :)

[@KHGuitarFreak1988]

Funnily enough, now you've got me looking at the MYII

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha let us know if you decide to pull the trigger on a purchase :)

[@WolfgangVonKempelen838]

Love it and at that price it's a bargain. Bought mine with the blue strap. Good informative review, thanks fella.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - I’m sure you will enjoy it! Glad you found this helpful :)

[@aaronpaterson7582]

Where did you get yours

[@WolfgangVonKempelen838]

@@aaronpaterson7582 On their official web site cigadesign.co.uk/ I don;t know your location Aaron but I bet they got one for your country. I hope this was helpful.

[@surfitli]

Great review. Not my type of watch, but if your into this, your getting a lot for the price.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man... agreed, it's pretty darn good for the money, but yes, the style can be polarising.

[@ocb05]

For those who are disliking the watch because of its LOGO / thinking it is a clone to RM: The logo is exactly why they want to do it. This watch does not pretend to be RM's clone at all, despite what you guys have been thinking. Totally different design aside from the barrel shaped case. Then all barrel shaped watches are RM's clones according to your logic. It is purely by Ciga Design and they are proud of their designs. It won multiple design awards for the god sake. Please don't simply lump everything that looks similar into that OVERPRICED watch. You guys are pure ignorant and lame. Different bezel design (designed by Chinese) DIfferent movement used (in house by seagull) Different straps design as well Different technology and features even (yes this watch is pretty simple and straightforward, unlike Richard Mille watches, complicated and sophisticated, yeah totally off the mark) All i can say, they do belong to the same category, which is skeletonised barrel watches. Nobody is copying or cloning Richard Mille here. Not even close. To me, it is brilliantly designed and attractive to my eyes, as I do not even like skeleton watches. It shines and stands out among those boring designs, especially those so called luxury brands. It has Sapphire crystal watch face (at this price point, seiko or even casio don't have sapphires, and some microbrands as well) It has an in-house movement (seagull st 2553jk, 25 jewels, better than those 19 - 21 jewels of Seiko's or even Tissot's.) It has both silicon and leather straps included It wears nicely than some Panerais or Big ass invictas, i have a 6.5 inch wrist, and LUG TO LUG 48 mm is great. It doesn't have any date function (yes date function can be really troublesome to set and offers no real value.) You just set your time and you are ready to go. It's polishing is quite impressive as well. All for less than 200 USD. What more you can ask? Come on, not even Seiko can offer such value. Seiko 5 sports which are newly launched, they are jokes and the finishing in some models are even horrible. Let's give them credit which is long overdue. You may not like the skeletonised design, but do not brush it off that easily. Look closely in some macro videos, it actually has less dust than some garbage swiss watches (which is easily 500-1000 USD)

[@PerthWAtch]

Interesting comment there - thank you for taking the time to share that. Have you considered posting that on a good forum? I think you will generate more interest and discussion that way, but let's hope that others will also chime in here. Personally I would not consider CIGA Design a clone or knock off... no one can truly clone an RM, they are unique in what they can do and achieve, so it's going to be just superficial aping at best. This particular watch is really quite good and a keeper for me, but at the same time I do consider it an homage to RM, at least in part. One question I find helps me determine if this should be considered homage - Do you think that this watch would exist in this form if RM did not exist? I think the answer is "no" hence by definition it is homage. Cheers, Ivan.

[@ocb05]

Perth WAtch no prob man， nothing against you. Just that I am fed up with those shallow minded ppl who simply dismiss this watch as a clone. For example, the bezel design is nothing like a Richard Mille. Not after I compared it against tons of Richard Mille watches. To me, this kind of design will appear anyway with or without Richard Mille. But he did make it first. So ciga z is strictly a slight homage at most. But I give credit to Richard Mille on revolutionising the barrel shaped watches. What ciga z does is, it brings skeletonised barrel watches to the mass public without those fancy tech and complications. I will do a full text review in some watch forums once I receive the titanium edition. All I can say is, if those ppl buy this ciga z thinking it can pass off as a Richard Mille , they are going to be so disappointed. That big ass logo is already such an eyesore to them already. Plus, while ciga z is nicely polished, Richard Mille watches are even better in terms of material quality and finishing. It is so obvious that you would notice the complexities in first glance. I bought the titanium edition because it's design and brilliance in taste. Plus titanium is colour muted and not as shiny as 316L.

[@PerthWAtch]

Cheers for that - I agree with all those sentiments actually. They have contacted me about the Z Titanium version, so I will look forward to receiving that one :) PS. BTW you mentioned "in house" movement? AFAIK this is a custom by Sea-Gull but would certainly not be considered in-house.

[@ocb05]

Perth WAtch agreed on your in house movement definition Ciga certainly isn't a watchmaking company. So calling it having seagull movement in house is my mistake. Designed by Chinese, movement by Chinese, and they won awards, it makes me happy that watches are no longer dominated by Japanese and westerners. Better than those micro brands that shamelessly faking their origins by sourcing eta or miyota or seiko movements then sourcing all other parts from China. Please make a short review on the titanium edition. I would definitely watch it!

[@pablorages1241]

I can see it's nicely done but I just can't get into the skeletonised watches .... put a monaco face on it and I'd be happier :D

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah I do find that skeleton dials are really not to everyone's taste and some would never get such a watch, which is fair enough!

[@kristianlewis5520]

Outstanding vid as usial but really not feeling it with these type of watches. Each to their own. Will say though this is a much nicer watch than the other in the past. As always looking forward to your next vid 👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that... yeah that 'other' would be the Overdrive D1, which at $1500 is a little "off the planet"... this one is definitely much much better all around!

[@madtairam]

Great thorough review. Subbed

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you! :)

[@user-sungpark0217]

welcome back agin teacher watch awesome good

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man :)

[@jamessmith6402]

Not a bad looking watch 👍 thanks Ivan 😁

[@PerthWAtch]

Cheers for that James :)

[@xaiyxks6553]

Hii, great vdo! And Can i ask, what size of around your wrist that you wear your watch on?

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks. 17cm - I thought I mentioned?

[@jh2678]

Could you give an update on how the watch is holding up?

[@PerthWAtch]

It's holding up just fine - my dad has been using it recently ;)

[@TheWheelofLife100]

Like the watch, the red strap I get rid of, get a black one maybe.

[@PerthWAtch]

Good news then - it comes in black also :)

[@kyleleung333]

Corum bridge style watches are getting more and more nowadays. Wish Xiaomi make one too.

[@PerthWAtch]

You're right, there seems to be no shortage of that style... it hasn't really piqued my interest though TBH. A Xiaomi version might :)

[@kyleleung333]

@@PerthWAtch Yeah, skeleton watches might be one of the genres hard to get objective favor. Complicated route that Zenith's DEFY went seems quite the winner.

[@valentinninca7731]

Really great review. Do they sell extra straps? I like the blue and the red, but i cant decide between the two of them. And another thing, i'm just wondering how much power should it store after a normal office day of wear?

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - at this stage you have to choose either blue or red, I don't think they are selling straps separately. As for how much you would wind it up after a day, the answer is pretty much "it depends". If you keep it on wrist, it will simply keep running and eventually will be fully wound, but it varies how long it takes to wind fully.

[@rhamzellpingol7873]

They are selling extra straps via Indiegogo. You'll receive an extra leather strap as a gift too.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Gotta love a poor man’s Richard Mille. Next time, when they ask you what kind of watch is that, you can point at one of the 200 logos 😂😂😂. Man, they really branded this watch, didn’t they? I’d consider it as a fun watch if it wasn’t that logo-heavy. Silicone rubber strap is the way to go for that one.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah they did brand this on quite a few spots didn't they? Although not as much as an Invicta Pro Diver if you count the names on every link ;)

[@thomasont]

Hi Ivan, Thanks for this good and nice watch review! I am starting to see a formation and growing of Yes/Hits, No/Miss & Confused/Maybe camps in this watch review comments. As a tonneau watch wearer meself, I see this watch as a typical homage avant-garde styled approach. I am in the Maybe camp. Given the estimation worth value, I'm unsure as it appears to lacked design sense, ratios & potential fulfillment between legibility, design & character/personality based on decoration fitting & quality finishing elements. Well made? Perhaps not at its best potential, yet. Overall, I agree with the outcome/result as you have summed up to several comments as a cool interesting polarizing watch. Its definitely a striking watch to look at. To me, its a neither here nor there watch due to the mentioned despite the won award. All the best, Ivan!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks Thomason - you have summarized much of the thoughts here very well. The legibility is the big drawback here... I think if they had done some nice high-contrast hands that allows you to read the time off easily, it would be quite a different story. I look forward to see if they improve on this! :)

[@thomasont]

Likewise Ivan :-) Hope the same as well too.

[@jtec99]

The box is pretty nifty

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha yeah it is :)

[@yasyasmarangoz3577]

Really not my type of watch, but congratulations for getting it anyway!

[@PerthWAtch]

Nothing much to congratulate about IMO...

[@yasyasmarangoz3577]

@@PerthWAtch Ok 😂

[@babalusan]

Hi is the front case comes with anti reflecting coating? More concern when looking at the watch under the bright sunlight.

[@PerthWAtch]

I don't think it has AR, although I do find that with curved crystals it's less of an issue... more a problem if you have flat crystals.

[@RiOtImpactz]

On their indiegogo it says only to buy from it and anywhere is would be fake...

[@PerthWAtch]

That's what it says on the other sites too :D

[@mikes41720]

I've been watching too much Producer Michael videos. I now want this watch to scratch the RM itch! Haha. It's 150 USD on the AliExpress anniversary sale right now.

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha I’ve heard of that guy but haven’t had the time to watch :)

[@mikes41720]

@@PerthWAtch He's a super rich dude with a sick watch collection. He also shops at luxury retailers and shops. But he doesn't seem like your typical arrogant rich guy. You can tell he loves his watches

[@IskanderVFX]

If a richard mille got it on with an invicta... 😂😂😂 but hey! still way better than the last one

[@PerthWAtch]

Richard Mille got it on with Xiaomi, right here :)

[@Pindi44]

Very nice and informative, thanks. But isn´t that an automatic, not manual as the text says at 3:20?

[@PerthWAtch]

It’s an automatic, as shown clearly in the video

[@watchalot919]

Just clicked on your link, and it's now $317 US. Looks nice from the front and back, but hate the etching on the side, YUCK

[@PerthWAtch]

Oh wow it’s gone up in price - I better sell sell sell! :)

[@aaronperez7597]

How long did shipping take

[@PerthWAtch]

For me? I'm special so it was really quick :)

[@timeintheuk]

If apple made watch boxes type box

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha yeah, it certainly reminded me of Apple style packaging!

[@Marc-xk1rb]

I'm not into Richard mille but that watch is 95% a Mille watch for $200 🤔... maybe. How thick is the case ? Does ciga make a Parmigiani homage?

[@PerthWAtch]

I thought I mentioned the thickness in the video - 12.3 mm off the top of my head... Haven't seen them do a straight up Parmigiani homage... did you have a specific model in mind?

[@Marc-xk1rb]

@@PerthWAtch yeah you did I rewatch the video, 12.3 , it's a bit thick but it a pretty impressive find .

[@Marc-xk1rb]

@@PerthWAtch I can't remember the name but the tonneau watch shape would be cool , it had horn lugs, 🤔 you know the RM model that inspired this watch had a tungsten micro rotor originally but was removed when rm borrowed this movement... I wonder why sea gull hasn't made a micro rotor movement yet.

[@PerthWAtch]

Ah I see... yeah it would be cool to see a micro rotor on a Chinese movement, thus far I am not aware of any that has pulled that off.

[@Ryan-ro5ro]

Hi do you have the issue when the watch is placed upside down, does the balancing wheel stop moving or doesnt spin like it usual does?

[@PerthWAtch]

No, I can't say that I do... but I'm not sure if you really mean the balance wheel. Perhaps you mean the self-winding rotor?

[@Ryan-ro5ro]

@@PerthWAtch yaya its the balance wheel that i meant haha

[@Ryan-ro5ro]

@@PerthWAtch kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4PFe6dtibCJpdU this is the issue i heard from the user, can you test it out and let me know? Truly appreciate it

[@PerthWAtch]

Nope, mine doesn't do that.

[@Ryan-ro5ro]

@@PerthWAtch thanks for the reply xD

[@nathanbraatz320]

The watch now costs $271 usd . Where can I buy it for $200 usd?

[@PerthWAtch]

Dunno man I’d used google and search it up. The price I mentioned was at the time of making the video of course.

[@SH-wd3ei]

im in the kingdom of saudi arabia, and i dont know if i can buy and they will deliver it to my country🤷🏻.

[@PerthWAtch]

I don’t know either... maybe check shipping policies on the website?

[@maadmadness6092]

I have 16cm wrists will it wear too big on my wrists

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah probably.

[@tomek3754]

Something similar but smaller 45 l2l range ?

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah, you're right, it is rather large, and perhaps making the case 39mm would suit more people and circumstances.

[@fox0083]

Walmart sells this watch and on the walmart website it says that it can expose you to chemicals like lead.

[@PerthWAtch]

Ah good to know... Walmart: the reliable font of all things helpful ;)

[@fox0083]

Yeah, I think it's not really going to be harmful, unless you happen to be licking your watch everyday

[@PerthWAtch]

Which as we know some people do! :)

[@ocb05]

Hi, would like to ask, how many mm lug to lug?

[@PerthWAtch]

I recommend watching the video - all this good info and more inside ;)

[@ocb05]

Perth WAtch my apologies. I was outside and watching it with the audio muted. I will do so at home. Thank you!

[@kyran2363]

How did you get 2 straps I only got 1

[@PerthWAtch]

Write to them and ask?

[@valavent]

how long your length of wrist diameter?

[@PerthWAtch]

Diameter or circumference? Circumference is 17cm.

[@seikailu]

Where can i get one of those

[@PerthWAtch]

Check out the links I provided in the video description :)

[@anthonylee3721]

Still available?

[@PerthWAtch]

Check the links?

[@user-iw4qo1hm3z]

Is that sapphire???

[@PerthWAtch]

Check out the video - I’m sure all info will be in there and your questions will be answered ;)

[@senoina]

where is this watch made?

[@PerthWAtch]

Take a wild guess ;)

[@senoina]

@@PerthWAtch China?

[@PerthWAtch]

Bingo! What have it away?

[@senoina]

@@PerthWAtch the shitty quality look, or maybe you sad it in the video but I did not watch it till the end

[@PerthWAtch]

Perhaps also the Chinese characters in the title? ;)

[@Alex1234845]

I wish it was waterproof

[@PerthWAtch]

It’s “life waterproof” ;)

[@Alex1234845]

Perth WAtch I might risk it and see how it is in the pool

[@PerthWAtch]

All the best - Let us know how it goes!

[@koningklootzak7788]

So this is china watch?

[@PerthWAtch]

Can’t remember - what did I say in video?

[@koningklootzak7788]

@@PerthWAtch I didn't watch the whole video.

[@PerthWAtch]

You should

[@koningklootzak7788]

@@PerthWAtch no. I thought the watch is not as good as the hype, so I stopped watching. So is it a china watch or not?

[@PerthWAtch]

Can’t remember - what did I say in video?

[@fredericchopin8583]

Sorry mate but definitely not my cup of tea. Appreciate the video tho!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man - the style can be polarising I think...

[@fouzalriyami787]

Hi ciga i want my Money Back

[@PerthWAtch]

No

[@garyk8285]

Cheap. I'll give it that. But def not my style...

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, you're definitely not alone there... quite a few have commented along similar lines.

[@mazennabhani9201]

It's a scam. Don't buy it. Be aware

[@PerthWAtch]

Many happy customers. Thank you :)

[@MrOllium]

Cool watch, but in my opinion overdesigned ....

[@PerthWAtch]

You mean over-designed in a cool way?

[@sebastian5132]

Hate the design.

[@PerthWAtch]

I'm sure you won't be alone in that...!

[@andrewd7586]

Illegible👎🏻

[@PerthWAtch]

Very succinct :)