Criminal Psychologist Gives Insight Into The Mind Of Lucy Letby

Criminal psychologist Dr David Holmes speaks to Julia Hartley-Brewer about killer nurse Lucy Letby, who is set to be sentenced for murdering seven babies while working on a neonatal unit.
David gives insight as to what goes on inside the mind of someone who leads such a double life, telling Julia Letby is likely driven by control and power.
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[@rasmania6414]

Tbh I think the bosses should face prosecution now for basically turning a blind eye to it

[@ruthcollins2841]

At least for the poor management decisions they made, especially when the consultants and others had reported the issues to them!

[@CATSFOREVER308]

The parents of these children should sue the management of the hospital who allowed this to go on,if they only listened to the doctors who raised suspicion about her,some babies could have been saved.

[@tuseau]

They didn’t just turn a blind eye - they active supported her and took her side. They are directly responsible.

[@beaulieuc8910]

agreed, that was madness

[@Emy53]

Terrible that she wasn't watched closely after the first time, and she was still doing it to others. Even if she was transferred to a different department, she would have targeted those patients as well.

[@uknancy3]

She should have been brought to court to face the judge delivering her sentence. Screw her feelings given what she did to those tiny babies

[@noeleen-58]

💯 she should have I’m not sure if the parents or families of the babies wanted to see her 😢

[@rekocastren923]

She "got off" from the grief of the parents. The bitch propably would have enjoyed listening to the parent's testimonies.

[@susanna8612]

The current bambering society criminals has more rights than the victims.

[@Michael-r3d]

8 in 100K babies die every year at the hands of their mothers, yet this reporter claims women very rarely kill 😂

[@susanna8612]

@@Michael-r3d still most homicides are made by men. Often the family murderer is the father.

[@albin2232]

Never trust anyone who seems normal. Play it safe and only associate with obvious maniacs.

[@susanna8612]

Normal sensitive person can sense that there is something wrong with the manipulator. Those people's / coworker's suspicions were not taken seriously.

[@poosnip]

Like Christians

[@roseenglish1127]

How does ‘normal’ look?

[@69LOLIN]

@@roseenglish1127. Normal

[@roseenglish1127]

@@69LOLIN show me ‘normal’. Everyones ‘normal’ is different.

[@annawalsh8880]

The tell tale signs she was a murderer 7 consultants telling hospital management that she was on shift every time a baby died. That should've been enough.

[@Oshmoshy]

The UK is slow to act on anything like this. It’s bureaucratic sludge that slows everything down. Then when something like this happens you get the polar opposite extreme of extreme preventative measures

[@annapugh9262]

Why are there no cameras in these wards that would show clear evidence of the person in charge of these poor babies .Simple solution in this day and age .

[@mikerodent3164]

Yes, this is one of many puzzling aspects. The doctors, who suspected her even after they were aggressively rebuffed by the managers, could have acted on their own initiative. Installing a hidden video camera is not rocket science, and some are tiny. Letby herself, being cunning, might have suspected something. But it appears that they didn't even try. Why not?

[@aidagalito]

The doctor who reporter her begged for càmeres to be installed but managment refused

[@alicemiller9304]

Very telling that when she was arrested from her home, in her home street that she walked to the police car without dodging the cameras but holding her head high with a look of stricken victimhood upon her face. She was loving it!

[@chele277]

Them poor little babies, deepest condolences to the famlies. She should've been made to be in court today.

[@charlottepembroke5446]

She is clearly a psychopath - she is devious, cunning - she tried to blame her colleagues - other young female nurses who were just conscientiously doing their job.

[@olgapavlova585]

Did you see the BBC News article from 2022 about an inspection after Lucy was in prison on remand, and about departments she didn't have anything to do with, that said The Care Quality Commission (CQC) found the Countess of Chester hospital's maternity services had deteriorated to "inadequate" following the dinspection in February and March 2022. Findings show the area is "lacking in staff" and "suitable equipment" and that the health trust failed to learn from previous safety incidents. It said between April and November last year five patients had major haemorrhages after giving birth at the hospital, resulting in a need for unplanned hysterectomies. Not all those incidents were reported as serious and action plans were not completed quickly, the CQC said, and one patient's lifesaving surgery was delayed as there was no hysterectomy kit in that part of the hospital.

[@RC-gh7os]

She never once blamed her fellow nurses, who still maintain her innocence and are appalled by her trial and conviction.

[@charlottepembroke5446]

@@RC-gh7os Oh well in that case Channel 4 news is wrong.

[@RC-gh7os]

@@charlottepembroke5446 indeed. Media outlets are not impervious to mistakes, please don't ever think that.

[@Lfkoda]

Why they even gave her a choice not to stand in front of judge is beyond me?

[@soniavadnjal7553]

It's the present law, the accused can't be forced. However the PM is talking about changing it, there's pressure for this to be done.

[@RoseAnderson-bl5uy]

Cause of how she looks if she looked like an old hag they would’ve thrown the book at her ages ago

[@acidreaper5423]

She should have been force to apear

[@IGKMrNice1973]

​@acidreaper5423 💯agreed dragged up from the cells in handcuffs were to soft

[@helenaterschegget8791]

@@acidreaper5423 it’s like that in usa because of the witness statements and to hear the judge and i agree that had to be a slap in the face

[@alana8863]

One of the problems is a poor understanding of maths. If you remove all the cases of babies becoming ill or dying for clear reasons, and you look at the rest, then if a nurse, doctor, whoever is there in every case, then it doesn't take long for it to be almost certain that they are committing these crimes. Let's say Letby worked for just over forty hours a week. Since care is given twenty four hours a day, then she will have been working just one in four of these hours (40 or so divided into the total number of hours in a week, which is 168). This means that the chance she would be present when a particular suspicious event occurs is one-in-four. So to be there when two events occur is one-in-sixteen. When five events have occurred the chances that Letby would be present at all of them is over a thousand to one. Time to phone the police, I think. Six events? That would be four thousand to one. By the time we get to eight events, the chance is well over a sixty-four thousand to one. In other words Letby might as well be put in prison straight away. The chances that she's innocent are far too small to take seriously. Ten events? Well over a million to one. Anyone opposing the idea of bringing the police in long before this is totally callous, or they don't know these odds. Fifteen? Well over a billion to one.

[@bellagaia2796]

Are the managers qualified doctors? If not, they should never be allowed to override medical concerns expressed by the medics.

[@swampophelia2098]

No one does not have to be a doctor or a nurse to be a hospital manager

[@bellagaia2796]

@@swampophelia2098 Thanks. That seems crazy. It makes no sense that they have the power to ignore medical concerns expressed by fully qualified medical consultants.

[@sokol5410]

@@bellagaia2796why did doctors not call the police, realizing that ? I really don’t blame them, I don’t, but really why?

[@shelleysanders9666]

Generally not; and even if Managers were 1:58 a medical professional, why would they leave that for such a role? (I.e. not v good or not dedicated enough?).

[@bellagaia2796]

@@shelleysanders9666 I agree completely, and that's even more the case when they are not even trained medics. They have should never be in a position to ignore serious concerns raised by the qualified, professional medics.

[@louiseosaur]

Narcissism. Selfishness. Beyond comprehension.

[@paulwilliams5013]

..yes..quite likely a covert narcissist.

[@jpex9]

Erm I think psychopath is the word your looking for. A sadistic one at that.

[@laaaah4577]

This isn’t narcissism, this is either anti social personality disorder or sociopathy

[@louiseosaur]

@@laaaah4577 I think it's part of it.

[@susanna8612]

Even narcissists are capable to feel some guilt and empathy. Psychopats who are also narcissistics dont.

[@wendyreed9682]

I just hope the hospital will be brought to court. If anyone is guilty they are. It was happening under their noses. They must be made to face up to their responsibility

[@iu.5146]

He is following the Goldwater Rule which prohibits psychologist/ psychiatrists to diagnose people that aren’t their patients.

[@harryhill8543]

Notice how the actual psychologist never called her a psychopath, just that she may have psychopathic traits. Unlike 99% of the people throwing the term around he actually knows what it means.

[@nickthepostpunk5766]

Yes I think this is important to point out.

[@equinox95]

If she wasn't a psychopath, she's definitely demonic.

[@joan-lisa-smith]

Yes, a professional will never diagnose a person they haven't analyzed during many visits in person themselves.

[@randomrachel1232]

Psychopath is synonymous with “evil person who does something I can’t comprehend” for people without understanding of mental health diagnoses. Same as everyone’s got a narcissistic ex nowadays 😂 it’s frustrating when you know what the labels actually mean and then people think it’s just a description for bad person. People would be horrified if they realised there’s also non criminal incredibly successful psychopaths too who don’t always harm the planet and can even be very helpful too😅

[@harryhill8543]

um no, have a look at the PCL-R items, thats the clinical test @@gpw203

[@SD-fk8bt]

This could have been prevented if there were cameras placed in the NNICU.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

What’s also scary is that if she’d only killed one or two perhaps no one would ever have become suspicious 😳 It makes me wonder how many deaths in hospital are actually deliberate 😬

[@bigmakeuplove]

I thought the same . 1 or 2 and she would of got away with it . She must of really enjoyed doing it And she’d still be doing it now if she could

[@jackkruese4258]

Good point.

[@deanpd3402]

The excess mortality around the world has gone through the roof since the introduction of the almighty vax. It took 3 weeks to bury my uncle a few months ago due to the wait time for funerals. The medical system, as a whole, has revealed its psychopathic heart. If you want to live longer, don't totally rely on them to manage your health. There are too many Letby's in the system.

[@tsapenkopolina]

I thought about the same thing and it gave me shivers… having two children of myself… I am now afraid of what can happen to my kids if they are ever in the hospital (God forbid) alone without me in the same room…

[@brucejunboxing]

It's normal to become suspicious, but please know not everyone is born a psychopath!

[@Messier45_Pleiades]

If this man thinks "most people have empathy" he should have met some of the doctors and nurses I encountered in the 60s in English hospitals. Those evil abusers would get jail time today for the cruelty they wrought on children. This is why I am not surprised by this kind of case. The NHS destroyed my health both physically and mentally.

[@cyndigooch1162]

@localguide3140 I'm so glad you mentioned this because I said that it's more like most people lack empathy and compassion, especially when many millions of children don't have it while growing up. I've also had traumatic experiences in regard to hospitals, as well as other places, with supposedly caring individuals, not to mention the many cruel adults while growing up during the 60s and 70s in NZ. 😢

[@simpdefendmlady6579]

I laughed so hard when he said that

[@samm4265]

I have yet to meet any NHS doctor that shows empathy, towards patients, most are two faced and dishonest with patients. I spent 30 years living with the repeated symptoms of an undiagnosed congenital heart condition because of dismissive NHS medical staff who labelled my symptoms as entrenched story on my medical files in order to influence other doctors into diagnostic overshadowing my physical health needs, one doctor even informed the nurse that I was a waste of space and then went on to physically assault me whilst he was smirking to himself. What is shocking is the level and length the NHS will go to in order to cover up wrong doing with a complaint system that is bias in favour of NHS, hence no staff is held accountable and mistakes cannot be learnt from. AND we see this today a nurse murdering babies. It comes as no shock.

[@margaretflounders8510]

I'm disgusted for what you suffered but not surprised...My 17 yr old son was dismissed 5 times with in a week, by our own doc who refused to come out as my son was a "fit young man who could walk to the surgery," then by 3 other doctors one telling him of course he'd have headaches with sinus trouble..he actually had a brain abscess, and the one doc who recognised it said can you get him to hospital within the next half hour...He had an emergency op, then a whole year off work, before the second op, and 2 years later became epileptic...@@samm4265

[@taniaearle4457]

Me neither regarding both the Nurse and the Managers that supported her & suppressed all the outraged Doctors. 'Harbouring a Murderer' who's surprised

[@martindoman6385]

Narcissism, it's more prevalent than we like to think. Incurable, and unaddressed.

[@spaceforgrace3312]

Yes, but also controllable. Not all narcissists get in the papers- mostly they just work behind the scenes quietly ruining people's lives.

[@bellagaia2796]

Westminster and the NHS are jam packed with them.

[@MichelleWilliamson-dp5nj]

Lucy won’t have control in prison! Zero zilch as intended!

[@charlottepembroke5446]

They will have to keep her in solitary confinement I imagine because she will be very vulnerable to attacks from fellow prisoners. Rose West was moved from that prison because another prisoner threatened to kill her. People are saying she should be hanged - but that would be quite a nice way out for what is very likely in store for her inside.

[@butterflywings5904]

She buried herself when they found her notes and post its..no innocent individual writes stuff like that..she probably had a drink and then poured out her true feelings on paper hence how disjointed and scribbled they were..never was someone more guilty..monster !!!

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

So bizarre to write all that stuff and then carry on doing it when you know it makes you an evil person. Really crazy.

[@butterflywings5904]

@@BanjoPixelSnack i don't believe she ever thought they would catch her..listening to her interview she is almost childlike..her obsession with him was frightening. I'm convinced she'll try to take her own life now !!

[@alayneperrott9693]

She was very disordered, disorganized and psychotic behind her calm, competent facade, judging from her post-it notes.

[@beaulieuc8910]

good point

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

Those notes are crazy. To admit to yourself in writing that what you’re doing is evil and then to carry on doing it. So bizarre.

[@briarelyse5136]

Some are saying she may be trying to manipulate with this "crazy" notes, to plead insanity.

[@alayneperrott9693]

@@briarelyse5136 Except that her defence lawyers made no plea of insanity and unusually, provided no closing statement in her defence. They must indeed have been fed up to the eyeballs by the end.

[@paulroberts7544]

Post it notes writen in response to being accused of killing babies in her care. Any normal person would be absolutely frantic in that situation.

[@jenniferthompson6280]

why did she hate herself so much, i can't help but feel sorry for her, if only she had gotten help.

[@spaceforgrace3312]

no one believes you when you try to tell them how horrible these outwardly caring people can be. It is a very complex social and psychological phenomena.

[@jeanie8593]

The parents need to sue NHS

[@beaulieuc8910]

agreed

[@leen1q84]

Most definitely

[@nadasabbagh6273]

Her father went to the chief executive and threatened to go to the GMC if the senior docs didn't retract thier statements. The doctors were then put into a mediation session and practically forced to apologise to her by written letter. The plight of overprotective parents smh

[@user-od3be8ny4o]

She left home and missed the attention her parents lavished on her. She was bitter towards those married and with children because she became infatuated with a married man. She was bitter towards the world. Killing the babies gave her attention. Killing them meant she was getting back at the cruel world she believed was out to get her.

[@saladfingers.]

Yup. Pretty much.

[@cev12]

"Most people have empathy and engage emotionally with others"??? Most people I've known have been selfish and in it for themselves. Based on my experience, I would think that the vast majority of human beings are either narcissists or psychopaths.

[@thinkingallowed7042]

I agree with this. I am not commenting one way or another about Letby but the worst people are hiding in plain sight; psychologists, social workers, counsellors, police, medical practitioners and religious officials. Even charity shop volunteers are mostly in it for brownie points and access to the vulnerable and unfortunate in order to feel better about themselves. Human beings are largely self-interested, cruel and calculating.

[@msdecleir6389]

Omg how many poor babies ended up with a disability because of her? 😢shocking. Sentence too good for her imo

[@ShaareiZoharDaas]

Tell tale signs? Her dead eyes, flat affect...need one see more?

[@l.c838]

That’s what I thought as well..

[@PlanetWomble]

You should never sit on a jury with that low resolution thinking madam

[@royalhero4608]

Exactly what I thought. Everyone saying she looks like such a sweet woman - no, she has dead eyes you can spot sociopathic traits a mile off

[@PlanetWomble]

@@royalhero4608 😂😂😂

[@denisescutt1865]

Apparently Goebells and heydrich plus many others were considered normal and very loving fathers by their families and friends. Pure evil.

[@cev12]

hahahaha, and by themselves, no doubt. People are FANTASTIC at lying to themselves about how sh-tty they are.

[@stavrosgiannaros7041]

The NHS has covered up far more than this. You'd be amazed!

[@Nickle314]

Is it rare? The nhs isn’t looking

[@isabellacullin4884]

Devil comes in many disguises RIP Beautiful babies ❤

[@tom-dn8md]

Put her on the wing with general population!

[@paulroberts7544]

How can you come to that conclusion? All we know for sure is that she was on duty when the babies died. Everything else is conjecture. How can a supposedly educated person draw any conclusions from that about what goes on in her mind? We are living in a scary, mad world.

[@Jace7310]

I think the managers DID know she was responsible for the deaths. It seems they thought protecting the hospital was more important.

[@PlanesKiwi]

Well, in real life, killers don't actually look like killers. There isn't a killer look/appearance anyway - except for in books & movies. You can't judge a book by its cover.

[@JoanneEmma-is6fu]

This case is really getting to me ,two of my children had to go in special care .I really don't understand it.

[@Ditch_Head]

What does a killer look like then we are lost if we start thinking killers look a certain way

[@muttlee9195]

They are common and often becomes managers. What field did he work in Social Work?

[@jeffatkins6890]

Well said

[@darlenedowie8042]

No one could believe it? Really?

[@traces2807]

Of course my first thoughts are for the parents of the murdered and disabled babies.. But I do feel for the parents of LL. She deceived them too and ruined their lives. They will go back and reflect on every moment of her childhood, wondering what they did, blaming themselves. That is, if they ever come to terms with their daughter's crimes. They seem like they're in denial right now.

[@sublime_]

They should be investigated after their first fatality. Absolutely every time

[@razer0072073]

Bring back capital punishment

[@alayneperrott9693]

Too merciful.

[@AJ-hi9fd]

No this cannot happen, there are too many wrongly convicted because we have a criminal system which cannot always be trusted.

[@trollsnotwelcome7805]

This whole case is just so very sad 😢 firstly the little souls who never got the chance to live, their parents, siblings, grandparents never getting to know them or enjoy the joy they would have brought. May the rest now in the arms of Angels ❤️ i also feel sad for Lucys family, their lives will never be the same and as far as I know they were clueless this was happening. Imagine being her mother, father sister, brother and everyone they know, their neighbours, friends, extended family, their jobs and how do they ever come to terms with what she did?? You couldn't. Seven little babies 😢😢 its beyond heartbreaking, crule and evil. Why??? So many lives lost and ruined. I hope the parents of the babies can greive now that the traiil has ended. Their pain and loss 😢is just impossible for anyone to even imagine. Sending them so much love ❤️

[@christopherlloyd98]

Subsequently, there has been no evidence / proof that Lucy displays any "abnormal" Character traits....so we cannot , with any justification, label her.....although people try to.

[@BangkokVoiceCoach]

Wow. Shocking beyond belief.

[@swampophelia2098]

I genuinely hope that the hospital managers get charged with corporate manslaughter

[@MissLondon.born.1965]

Prison will end her..

[@wicksee]

Well yes. She won’t be leaving the place except in a wooden box.

[@juliathomas1255]

This behaviour goes against everything a nurse stands for…… I wouldn’t dream of harming my patients (I work on an Acute Medical Unit) let alone a defenceless pre term baby …. The 1st rule of medicine is you do no harm …. Everything we do is to improve the condition of the patient …EVERYTHING !!! To me this case is completely incomprehensible 😢….. I just really cannot believe she could do this ….. but before anyone takes me to task …I obviously know she did because of the evidence against her ……. and the subsequent verdict….. but this is what I categorically will never get my head around……. How she could even contemplate doing this …let alone carry it out ??? 🤦‍♀️😞….. Those poor babies and parents … it’s all just so heartbreaking 😢💔

[@TheSamtheman081]

Why are people saying she dose not look like a killer. So then if she dose not look like a killer to you news reader then what dose a cereal killer look like then?

[@JugglingG]

You can always spot a cereal killer by their demeanor in the mornings. They tend to use a sharp knife instead of a spoon and have generally glare hatefully at their breakfast before stabbing at it. Classic signs

[@ballet07]

She should have been dragged to court!

[@goodgirlgonerich]

Why the heck would the criminal/defendant be allowed to choose if they want to show up to court or not? That seems like an odd option.

[@Autonomy0]

Not a great interview as Ms Hartley-Brewer seems more interested in expressing her own views on the case than hearing those of Dr Holmes. It made it a bit of an arm-wrestle and a slightly uncomfortable watch. The most authoritative psychologist I have so far seen giving a professional opinion on motive was a young Asian guy on 5 News. He also said it was probably about 'power and control' or, perhaps, 'hatred'. I agree with him about "power and control". The drive for that is never far below the surface in even our most apparently benign behaviour is it? Disagree about 'hatred' as the possible motive though:- stable life with supportive parents in first world country to which she is indigenous; said country still dominated (numerically at least) by her 'own' group. Can't see any real scope for the systematic negative social interactions capable of engendering out-and-out misanthropy in a twenty-something. Having now gotten past the initial 'mind-rape' shockingness of the case, and able to actually process it, I think part of the explanation for this is the society we live in. Modern UK society has become one where - in the interests of generating economic growth - the only real crime in life is getting caught. Boris Johnson's antics in recent years might be the best illustrative example of what I mean. That created the environment for Letby to contemplate in gratifying her psychological needs in such a monstrous way because she felt confident she could get away with it. That she was more likely motivated by convenience and low risk than the inner compulsion to kill of the classic serial killer is evident in the absence of any disclosure that she showed criminal intent towards babies or other vulnerable persons in the two years between being being stood down from neo-natal care and her arrest - the police appear to have trawled every aspect of her adult years in microscopic detail seeking evidence so I think they would have noticed. Millennials and subsequent generations live trivial social media oriented lives with commensurably superficial dopamine-hit goals. Most pertinently, they lack the inner life necessary to fully support a sense of emotional consequences independent of the sanctions of outside world. It is only wrong if you get caught and she didn't expect to. She did this because she could.

[@carmelle2665]

Interviewer didn’t have to interrupt the expert mid his explanation

[@jeffatkins6890]

Typical I’m afraid the bint never shuts up

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

That’s what Julia does lol

[@colleen1103]

That was so annoying, I was interested to hear what he had to say only for her to butt in and finish his sentence for him, rude woman!

[@bitter-sweet-lemonade]

Presenters nowadays are far more interested in showcasing their own opinions than facilitating those of their guests and experts. It's a noticeable trend.

[@heatherroberson1648]

Im also an only child and have been a nurse for 26 years and dealt with far worse than this person. I feel empathy for my patients and my calling is caring for and protecting patients and walking with God.This woman wore a mask as a sociopath. She wanted attention and sympathy. Of course shes on suicide watch because she is the victim. Evil exists among us and we all need to be on the look out for it and protect the vulnerable.

[@mikerodent3164]

Nice parody. Disrespectful though. Please go away.

[@jimboslice2498]

If you have the option to not attend your sentencing, then why would you? Especially after committing these disgusting crimes.

[@a.jlondon9039]

I think the nursing manager and staff should really be hauled over the coals in an investigation.

[@ronamain8689]

I'm surprised the psychologist didn't mention the 3 red flags of psychopathy. I/ bedwetting 2/ cruelty to animals 3/ fire-starting.

[@saintetienne755]

Wisdom after conviction - its always the same. Truth is no one has come forward to say they witnessed any tell tale signs of a disturbed personality and that's very unusual.

[@maggieswithenbank6709]

HG Tudor did extensive research on known facts and behaviours of LL and called her a sadistic narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. We’ll never know WHY (motive) unless she shares this…so sad for the parents. May they find some peace and healing after this traumatic loss! 🙏

[@wendygillard2133]

She should have been made to attend court! Ridiculous that she was given a choice.

[@jamiewheeler3771]

Scary that she was a nurse & not suspected 😳 RIP little ones 🙏

[@jjw9641]

Interesting video, thank you. You might find HG Tudor's video profile of Letby interesting, even if it is a bit of a marathon!

[@mazklassa9338]

4:45 - a psychopathic serial killer by their nature will never have insight into the root causes of their pathological illness/condition. That requires empathy; an awareness of how others feel and their perceptions on life.

[@howitzerofmercy439]

Watch out for those beige people

[@Noneofyourbusiness99999]

Appearance should not even be a consideration - it means nothing. That is the problem with modernity - obsession with image. It’s what’s going on in a person’s mind. Grow up

[@GwareddJ]

Letby should be in for the rest of her days along with the management and board of the hospital, they're disgraceful vermin. That's said... Has Dr Holmes actually spoken to Letby for any length of time or was he part of the case ? He doesn't vibe right to me.. feels self promoting.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

With a thumbnail like that I figured you were going to talk about "Snoopers Charter" and nudge units. OK, my bad.

[@Slarti]

I sincerely hope that this does not turn out to be another Amanda Knox situation.

[@AJ-hi9fd]

I felt the same way, so I made myself start to listen to the case, I’ve just finished listening to the Baby G case and I’m afraid I’d have to find Lucy guilty.

[@spaceforgrace3312]

Not comparable in any way.

[@sumaiyyabooks2138]

If only four women in the UK have received life in prison then the justice system is too lenient toward women. That needs to change.

[@reesemorgan2259]

Women tend not to commit serial murders. Both Allit and Letby were serial killers. When women kill, they tend to kill one individual and leave it there - no matter how abhorrent the crime is. It's rare that men commit serial murders and it's even more rare when women do it. The justice system measures risk to society as a whole. Letby is clearly a risk to society as a whole; hence the whole life tariff

[@iguiste23]

Spot on. The fact there's people saying the case is confusing, doesn't add up and that criminologists have said this, thought that. No they haven't we understand how sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists and even empaths think and operate. It is only confusing and odd to the people who do not understand what a psychopath or serial killer truly is. It's all part of the game, act like an angel, fit into society and become a master at blending in while pulling the wool over the masses. Lucy Letby is to me not a full blown Psychopath if one at all, but is certainly borderline personality (BPD) to some degree and on the extreme side of the narcissistic personality type. She absolutely understands human emotion, she absolutely understands how to manipulate that and how to take advantage of social and psychological patterns in order for them to best suit her needs dependent on the situation. Narcissists are expert manipulators who often target empathic people as a way to blend in as others pass it off as oh well if an Empath accepts them they must be alright, wrong. Although I am still very much a rookie in terms of the Criminology field I am certainly no idiot and made this analysis of her from day one. I heard people saying we don't know she could be innocent, she is innocent she didn't do it. Nope I was convinced from the get go she had done it and she was wearing a mask which many fell for which is common. This experts analysis and psychology reading of her personality is 100% spot on and I see it in a lot of people who aren't killers but are certainly not very pleasant narcissists more prone to being anti-social and violent in small bouts but have regret which she shows none of. However she does understand emotions, enough to write down those notes admitting it. She has (BPD) not a full blown psychopath and was likely playing on it to try and manipulate the outcome which it didn't.

[@equinox95]

She was demonic, her jealousy about the fact she didn't have kids and probably would never experience having her own family brought the demonic side out of her. People say she was sweet and innocent because they'd never or rarely seen her alter ego, that side was always there but buried and those combination of circumstances brought it to the surface. People are saying she was a pretty blonde but I bet she didn't see herself the same way.

[@noeleen-58]

Terrible but she loved the drama and upset she caused , when she came home she wrote notes trying to make it real what she did , she’s no feeling for anyone no remorse !?

[@paulroberts7544]

OK. But doesn't it bother you that she hasn't been proven guilty of anything? All they have against her is circumstantial evidence. Where is YOUR evidence that she is a sociopath, psychopath, narcissist or anything else? You're basing YOUR belief on a conviction that is based upon circumstantual evidence and conjecture. Don't you find that worrying? That an innocent nurse could be sitting in prison for the rest of her life because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

[@lauraf.e2788]

She's a covert narcissist. Not a borderline.

[@marykistnen6837]

@@paulroberts7544 You weren't in court!

[@bencoles4452]

Despite the truly awful nature of this case and the crimes committed (my hearts go out to families and victims) it is important to remember that psychopathy and Munchausen syndrome is a psycholocal abnormality/ neurological disorder. As a mental health professional I found the comment about not caring if she tops herself distasteful. But I understand why many feel that way due to severity of crimes.

[@carolinehirst4921]

Are any of these things checked when you go into certain jobs?

[@el29]

Nah only because you are a mental health professional. " Doesnt mean you are a moral professionell. Neither a philosopher when it comes to what is the right Truth.. You are simply a mental health professional... Yeah even hitler had his mental health problems... Rofl what a disguise with words. Pathetic. But i understand youre bias. Because you believe its the truth "mental health"... That it was the - moral ?. Learn more, please. Saad. Dont bother responding i dont use YT notifications... Whats next. Im a philosopher and i understood why the person killed someone ? Sheeeez

[@nadasabbagh6273]

She killed 7 babies. Why thr f**k should people care if she tops herself. No distaste to it. She is a monster, and some monsters deserve nil.

[@keithratcliffe2235]

On an interview with sky Dr Worthing ton said she varied the method of killing the babies so that she'd have less chance of being discovered.However, surely she would have realised that under her watch the children died therefore she would be flagged up as the the main subject.This is a most puzzling case and another psychologist initially thought there was not enough evidence.Her friends of a very long time still believe she is innocent.This is a very unique case in more ways than one.

[@user-btmbangalore]

Agree. Variant mind. Very few and far in-between but a disturbing reality. Looks normal, but not satisfied with common normal motivations and outcome.

[@christineabercrombie7316]

criminal psychology is so bewildering.

[@Weasel_1.1]

Was there any physical evidence of her committing the murders? Just I've not read to much of the case.

[@user-od3be8ny4o]

Yes. Lots. The most telling was the deceased baby's medical records hidden under her bed at home. These were her trophies.

[@kathyxxkey]

No - the evidence is all circumstantial.

[@SuperTreemendus]

Let’s just take a moment to celebrate all of the ladies 👏👏👏👏👏👍

[@equinox95]

You have to ask the question, what does someone have to look like to be perceived as guilty?......obviously people who don't look like Lucy🤔.

[@deanVodkahouse]

Halo effect if you are a goodlooking guy or just normal looking woman and not a rough looking one or just evil looking then you don't fit the sterotype

[@acustomer7216]

Long crooked nose with a hairy wart on the tip, wonky eye, pointed teeth

[@thegrassyknoll7792]

Exactly.. theres a void in her personality, she tried to fill it, its impossible

[@davidwee130]

Not possible

[@Cocoandindy]

"Lovely young girl"...she's 33! Unbelievable that her parents were attending the work meetings with her.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Since reporting restrictions have been lifted the prosecution case has fallen apart

[@nn.roberts]

A solid court decision. May she have hell in prison for the rest of her life!

[@slackstax2854]

The staff and managers that hid this for years are all blood guilty

[@cocosheffield79]

I don’t understand why she had a choice to not appear in the dock. She should have been ordered to face the families

[@Indiekiwi]

Yes, I didn’t think you had a choice. I thought you had to go.

[@hellomum5038]

I think I am the same as any father, just five minutes in her cell would be sufficient.

[@leen1q84]

If only!

[@user-lm2wt2mt4d]

She's a second Beverley Alett!

[@jennyb7745]

So if this is similar to Beverly Allit case does it follow that LL probably has Munchousen syndrome?

[@geraintevans6360]

This bloke knows the same as me. Nothing much😢

[@missmuffet3874]

Agreed. He’s just winging it.

[@techtitanuk5609]

A lot of people think shes innocent. I dont but a lot do

[@paulroberts7544]

I don't think she's innocent - it's impossible to know. But I do know beyond all doubt that she hasn't been proven guilty. She has been convicted based upon conjecture and circumstantial evidence. In the absense of proof of guilt she is SUPPOSED to be presumed innocent. So, this case proves that anyone that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time could end up in Letby's shoes. No proof of guilt needed. And that's a huge concern.

[@marykistnen6837]

@@paulroberts7544 The obvious proof is all the notes she wrote about the deaths and her feelings about herself for doing those awful deeds. Have you not been following the case? Also, you weren't in court.

[@NathanMUFCfan]

Yeah, because of her looks only. If an ugly person did this, there would be nobody defending them.

[@69LOLIN]

“Witholding información gives them power”

[@louiserussell8267]

Don't you think she has Aspergers Syndrome? Nobody mentions this. This would explain a lot of behaviours that do not make her guilty.

[@helenalovelock1030]

It’s also the fact that she failed to kill a few times and had to go back to do it. Or was she trying to do it slowly to cause more pain. It’s like she wanted to watch the deterioration and resuscitation attempts as the parents watch their babies die

[@johnlovett5134]

Unless you believe there is such a thing as evil you cannot adequately explain this. "Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.... St Paul says.

[@nickthepostpunk5766]

The term 'evil' itself lacks explanatory power. Indeed, to use this term is to shirk from any attempted explanation.

[@lynncuthbert2307]

Evil is all around. Who covered up and protected this sick and spiteful woman is also to blame. Sickening!!

[@jonathanreader228]

Using the word evil to explain this is a cop-out. She was a human just like you, deal with it.

[@nickthepostpunk5766]

I agree@@jonathanreader228 .

[@markbeale7390]

​@jonathanreader228 Yes Mr editor.

[@racheldavielee9919]

Typical media sensation talking head to focus on her looks and "angel face". Personally I think there's something off about her eyes particularly the one of her in nurse's uniform, it's chilling, although granted I may not have thought so before I knew about her actions. However I have met many "strange" looking people who I would still never suspect of killing anybody, so what is JHB saying a killer should look like?

[@RunPJs]

I wonder what criminal psychologists said about those nasty criminal Postmaters 20 years ago who had their lives wrecked....who all turned out to be innocent. Not saying she's innocent....she that there was no proof....but very high probability

[@sharonwashington8150]

Looks are deceiving! behind many a kind soul may lurk the Devil you just cannot tell until some thing such as this comes to light. Whatever the sentence for these perpetrators like her the families is immeasurable in comparison.

[@mitzi769]

Frankly speaking she should have been made to face these parents. Made to attend her sentencing instead of having the comfort of not facing her victims or thd Judge. Even her cell is like a dorm room!

[@kengaskins5083]

I love his analysis of a psychopath/sociopath searching for what stimulates them (a purpose if you will). A very good explanation. Just my theory, but I think her perverse behavior was possibly brought on by a gradual or sudden change in her brain (tumor/lession/biochemistry). I hope scientists get to study her brain, as this may end up becoming a breakthrough case of what brings about this type of behavior for some perpetrators.

[@user-ub4pl6tz2e]

We need to go back when she was a child The key 🗝️ is in the past

[@spaceforgrace3312]

Where? she had a perfectly normal childhood and no issues until she became an adult. You can't install cameras in every home just to check if parnets are nut-jobs. Many of them are but their kids don't go around killing people.

[@jpalm2317]

Lack of empathy towards other humans. I think that was the key. People who have more empathy for their cats and dogs than what they have for other humans should be locked