"She Gets Sadistic Pleasure From It!" - Psychologist Analyses Serial Baby Killer Lucy Letby

[@chriscaspian2280]

As a retired nurse I can not fathom this its pure wicked my concern is the managerial teams did not believe the Dr's or nurses. They really need looking at and the financial leaving packages returned. From the top down it needs swift change.

[@robynball2989]

Same thing with Bexar County Hospital in the neonatal wing. Doctors, fellow nurses, and administrators protecting the reputation of the hospital over newborns.

[@annettemurphy8349]

Abortion is also murder.

[@run2cat4run]

Lucy Letby's white privilege helped her commit murders in plain sight - and yes, she's still benefiting from it, by Nadeine Asbali

[@ruthbashford3176]

As a retired nurse you might find Science on Trial interesting.

[@carolmasters1305]

It is always the same with NHS managers, they don't want to listen. If you question managers they close ranks and make your shifts hell, I know it will never change until the management open up their eyes and start to listen to the staff on the front line.

[@dollluv]

I think she should have been in court for verdict, sentencing and victim impact statements. The victims deserve that right.

[@pageribe2399]

Yes!!!!

[@anotherhappylanding4746]

Wouldn't have impacted her she feels zero emotion

[@mandyjames8211]

It appears she did very much enjoy others' grief and pain - perhaps she couldn't act her way out of that one - decided to avoid that one - she probably would have struggled to fake an appropriate human response in court, knew it would be analysed and skipped it

[@khepresh]

She would have enjoyed it nitwit.

[@voice.of.reason]

Why should she, if she is innocent

[@NoName-jq7tj]

These are all just very strong opinions. We really don’t know anything. What I find absolutely staggering in a highly sensitive area new born babies are kept why there were no CCTV cameras.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Privacy concerns maybe. Would make sense though, having cameras, absolutely.

[@normankennith7919]

the nhs can't afford them, thanks to the tory government"!!!

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

@@normankennith7919They can afford to pay non-clinical managers hundreds of thousands a year though?

[@ummuhajar558]

Usually the cameras are only in the hallways(in USA, don’t know about England). Because of privacy laws they don’t allow them in rooms where patient care is done.

[@NoName-jq7tj]

@@ummuhajar558 Yes they do have them in hallways I know. I can understand not having them in wards or private rooms where patients are kept but for me babies are another matter.

[@Hustlémon]

It's scary how close she got to getting away with it all. If it wasn't for the brave Doctors and Nurses who risked their reputation, jobs and income by challenging the Managers and instead going to the authorities. They are unsung Heroes!

[@SajSajidmk]

TRUE

[@jacquelinem8028]

Heroes ? Nah those doctors failed in their duty of care by not doing anything sooner. They could have easily reported it to the police but did not. They are partly to blame for this.

[@helenbardakas1321]

Maybe she didn't do it circumstantial evedence

[@tanmusicch]

She did get away with it all... that is why so many babies are now dead and many have brain damage

[@tanmusicch]

@@helenbardakas1321 Lucy took pictures of the babies after she removed the oxygen or/and feeding tubes for a couple of babies and gave these to the parents. The baby's screaming was described by the doctors as something they had never previously heard... the changes in skin observed were another factor... there are so many specifics. it is not simply circumstantial evidence

[@georginasawyer6524]

she killed one of the babies and she offered to run a bath for the parents and suggested that they bath him which they did ...she then went into the room and was chatting normally to the parents as they are bathing their dead new born and was comparing the last bath that she gave the baby .... that is one of the sickest things I have ever heard ....monster.. listen to the podcast its quite amazing

[@msspendy]

What podcast and where can I find that please thanks

[@tanmusicch]

I can't cope with what she did, it has deeply disturbed me, I feel horrified that the babies and families (and many we do not know) have had to suffer from all this. Babies that did survive got brain damage. I hope she is never released.

[@yassinahamri7908]

Sexy

[@philfletcher3434]

The managers of the NHS Trust who were repeatedly warned about Letby should be prosecuted by the victims families lawyers, and if necessary they should get sentenced to lengthy prison terms.

[@rosaliewright8156]

Agree 100%!!!!!!!

[@chantalsscaleisafibber]

To think she chose the gown you buried your baby in but to later find out your child was murdered by her is beyond horrific for that family.This whole case is just horrendous.She won definitely wether the baby lived or died.She probably killed more than what she has been accused of and now it's being checked into Liverpool Women's hospital where she was before The Countess of Chester hospital.

[@wii7876]

It was inconvenient for management to find her guilty or suspect her, its like they would find themselves guilty also. They are an accomplice to murder plain and simple

[@CliveAdlam-yn8uz]

How long is this type of heinous activity been going on for , tip of the iceberg ?

[@Paul-cj1wb]

As far as the last two that she killed after 4 different doctors had raised concerns and did not want her there, there is absolutely complicity by their total disregard. I think they would be found guilty of negligence resulting in death for those last two.

[@proffessorclueless]

Simply the worst attempt at a psychological diagnosis I have ever heard. Completely unhelpful.

[@amytiffanyhemingway]

I agree, and no-one can say categorically that she was born a psychopath. That's irresponsible reporting and quite possibly not true

[@josephinecameron6963]

Completely agree 🙏

[@giopomerol3952]

@@amytiffanyhemingway I beg to differ. Her traits area clearly psychopathic. Diagnostically, what else is there to say other than sound like a broken record in defining psychopathy? And oh, as someone who works in the field, Psychopathy is more nature than nurture. She was not irresponsible in saying that. maybe she could have said she has all the traits of psychopathy (rather than say she was....most professionals will not give a diagnosis unless they actually assessed the person in question); but hey if it quacks like a duck my hunch is its a duck.

[@treesart6914]

Yup. This "psychologist" is absurd.

[@uingaeoc3905]

This psychopathy does not suddenly appear in mid-20s. How is it her family never noticed her strange lack of affect?

[@proffessorclueless]

Agreed Jo Hemmings is talking utter nonsense. Starts off by saying there is no doubt she is a psychopath. She couldn't be more unprofessional, diagnosing without any testing whatsoever. If she really believes what she is saying she is a dangerous person.

[@zulaikalondon]

Only child. Very supportive, arguably over indulgent parents. Who even threatened to report doctors to general medical council when independent investigation found she was the only nurse on duty for each of the suspicious incidents.

[@Ette397]

Parents had no other child to make comparison to.

[@uingaeoc3905]

@@zulaikalondon Gosh Zulaika - Brains and Beauty combined !

[@proffessorclueless]

@@edm-london1660But Jo Hemmings the expert just said there is NO doubt she is a psychopath. I agree your explanation would be more believable based on the few facts available, however, without a proper diagnosis there is a less than 50% chance of you being correct.

[@ruthbashford3176]

It's strange how these psychologists can analyze people they've never even met.

[@LawrenceHyett]

Excellent point as usual Ruth. I am glad these don't analyse me, my exe's would have a field day...I can feel them nodding already

[@markmeredith2328]

I think a big part of her behaviour was down to the buzz she got from the drama that was created when the resuscitation team come rushing to the unit in an attempt to revive the poor collapsed ill child. Letby created those scenarios by ill treating her patients in order to feed that thrill and be part of the "action". The Facebook research, cards to the parents and taking copies of medical notes were all very inappropriate.

[@run2cat4run]

She kept on killing due to her being white

[@normankennith7919]

i think lucy is suffering from shock! she was expecting support from a certain doctor & didn't get it!! trust little of what you hear & less of what you see!! she should appeal & ask for a retrial! after all, juries don't always get it right - ask andrew malkinson!!!!!!

[@ummuhajar558]

Yeah and they mentioned her having a relationship with a doctor, too.

[@samboonstra471]

I've just watched a really good video on this ("Letby is NOT a psychopath). Apparently there is even a term for it: Code Blue Junkies

[@revanth3508]

@@normankennith7919there was plenty of evidence especially the insulin to convict her

[@sharonmccalla9924]

Just can't get my head around this how was this allowed to.go on. more managers should ne held accountable.

[@sbeast64]

There's no evidence of that claim whatsoever. Just assumptions. Why did she adopt rescue cats? Why did she raise money for the hospital? Why did she send sympathy cards? She wanted to become a nurse to begin with because she had a difficult birth and was saved by nurses. These psychologists are stupid!

[@LawrenceHyett]

If I could put 10 thumbs ups I would. I suspect with some of the trick-cyclists, they are talking about themselves

[@CliveAdlam-yn8uz]

If you don't cry in anger and great sadness for the little ones , you're dead .She'll go to hell , and all of those that ignored this in the nhs.

[@Darkangel-hy8ev]

Seriously? not everyone is built the same you know, i have not cried over this case, as i am not the maternal type at all, never wanted children, i don't go all goo goo over babies like Julie just explained, but give me a kitten or a puppy and i melt, i'm in heaven! My passion lies with animals, if you know you know, does not mean i'm dead or something wrong with me at all! Just wanted to add just because i do not care for children i would never ever dream of hurting one, and i think anyone who does is very sick and evil and deserves to spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison! Hope she rots in hell!!

[@jasey844]

​@@Darkangel-hy8evAgreed, I don't care much for babies or children in general. But I certainly think murder is evil and must be punished to the full extent of the law.

[@run2cat4run]

When i first heard about this i just cried for the poor babies

[@normankennith7919]

apparently there were no autopsies on the babies! so how did they know that lucy had injected the babies with air, force fed them with milk & poisoned them with insulin? i think lucy should push for a retrial & subpoena nurses & doctors from the ward she worked in!! this looks like a cover up case & she is the scapegoat!!!

[@rajsamb]

What about abortion? All abortionist need to be sent to Jail

[@tanmusicch]

Not all psychopaths and sociopaths are sadistic. If Lucy wasn't very sadistic I doubt she could have done all this. I hope she stays behind those bars and they never change their minds about letting her out. It would be a huge mistake to ever let her out. Who encouraged Lucy to look after children? Surely, she never planned on being this evil right from the start?

[@LawrenceHyett]

We all go through times in our lives when we are a little off balance. I worked in school and would vote for half the teenagers being narcassists, a spattering of psychopaths and sociopaths and me having dictatorial traits with control issues. When I was at school as a pupil the teachers were sadists and took it out on us with canes. How can you be a healthy fish in a sick pond? We all got through it somehow with mutual support and alcohol....except for one or two who became our managers when we tried to get a job

[@thenewhindemithians8629]

If "born psychopathic" where does personal responsibility lie for these heinous acts?

[@mandyjames8211]

She had free will. We all have illnesses and tendencies - during lucid moments it is possible to get help for yourself - be it medical, mental health support. She possibly had a pre-disposition towards psychopathy, her upbringing perhaps heightened this with being 'suffocated' by her parents, and then she chose the path of murder rather than self-help. She is responsible for her actions - no-one else

[@jomassey4207]

This psychologist hasnt met many covert narcissists in her life. This is mainly because they dont believe they can do anything wrong. She would never see women like Lucy....only when they get caught. My sister is a covert narcissist and its so unreal that she has "learnt or cognitive empathy"...they dont feel any depth of feelings and enjoy punishing others. They hate themselves or love themselves depending on the control or admiration they achieve at any point in their day. They can become dangerous....like Lucy did.

[@YoutubeChannel-ol7zx]

The term means nothing anymore since everyone and their mothers like yourself, so flippantly and ignorantly feel it appropriate and justified to hand out, as laymen no less, psychological diagnosises to everyone around them. Nowadays everyone you don't like is a narcissist or a sociopath or a psychopath.

[@ftsetradersteve2742]

Imagine the Parents of Letby.....Their name has gone down in history along with the likes of West and Hindley.....Bet they wish they could hide from it all....She even fooled her parents.....I wonder if they are just stunned or still believe she is innocent.....

[@judytreischl6899]

Or if they are looking back on Lucy’s child hood remembering events that now they see or question in a different light.

[@ftw1540]

They had plenty signs as she was growing up. Would be unthinkable that they didn't have any warning signs.

[@melgrant7404]

@@edm-london1660 bit like Brian Blackwell who killed his parents. Only child that was doted on.

[@melgrant7404]

@@edm-london1660 yes agree. There is such a thing as loving someone in the wrong way.

[@judytreischl6899]

@@ftw1540 I am in Canada and have not been able to follow the investigation or trial very closely. Were any earlier warning signs identified?

[@55tranquility]

Neither of them have a clue about the mind of Lucy Letby they don’t know anymore than the average person in the street. The only way to do this is spending hours and hours with her over many years - even then you may not be sure. You can’t diagnose someone based on the sparse information available without knowing them and spending time with them, even if you were qualified to do so. All they can say is she has been convicted of serial murder, is going to prison for a very long time and the only person who knows why she did it is her.

[@aq803]

The psychology of the convicted killer is not something that anyone knows. To make a judgement without having met or spoken to the convicted killer is just idle speculation. This is not the time for speculation it is time for reflection on how this woman was not caught sooner.

[@michaelmarshall9132]

She could have been caught earlier if it hadn't been covered up

[@giopomerol3952]

Justice has not been served until ALL the people who enabled this to happen are brought to justice.

[@Mica-e4p]

The brain scans of psychopaths have been shown. Damaged amgydalas (almond shaped part of the brain), genetic abnormalities , etc. It's not speculation. It's science.

[@aq803]

@Lucy-jz7sg My comments were referring to this case in particular. I think for the families of the victims they should not be subjected to some psychlologist's opinion of the killer at this time . The only person who knows why this woman committed such horrific crimes is the woman herself. I think it is vital that the medical professionals learn from the huge mistakes that were made in this case.

[@giopomerol3952]

@@aq803 it’s not mind boggling at all…..as one of the comments above alluded……. It was NHS MANAGEMENT’s total incompetencies that led this to go as far as it did. The medical profession raised all the red flags and these useless managers ignored/dismissed them. And now, they are back peddling to save their own butts!! They have blood on their hands and need to face the consequences of their managerial incompetencies. If anything, going fwd, there should be a pendulum swing that gives more power to health specialists and not management.

[@jennifermelton9598]

My children are 22 and 18, but I remember when they were newborns handing them over to the nurses for care while I slept. Never once did I fear for their safety. Unbelievable this level of evil.

[@eppleheid]

CPR causes air embolus, Sepsis causes liver damage, nobody on the planet can cause a baby to have a heart attack at will, let alone 3 times in a row, attempted murder by overfeeding milk is ridiculous because the evidence would be found at the crime scene, lactose intolerance would cause babies stomach's to swell, mis-prescribed insulin from rushed doctor's illegible handwriting or the pharmacy being unable to read that handwriting. Have I missed one? I feel like I've missed one! Evans and his team should know about CPR, AE, Sepsis and liver damage but they either refused to possibility or acted like it didn't exist. Therefore, there are two options: 1) They are incompetent and not fit to stand as expert witnesses or, 2. They have lied under oath. The senior doctors were hardly on the wards. Mostly junior doctors and nurses. Plumber called weekly to a unsanitary and toxic ward and prosecution threw everything at her except the kitchem sink, probably because it had shite coming out of it! Why didn't Brearey address the plumbing or sepsis issues? Because if he did, he'd have nothing left to throw at Lucy. Sepsis was the silent killer moving throughout the ward and it was Brearey's ideal accomplice for him to pin the deaths on who he wanted off his ward. Sepsis is devastating and is misdiagnosed between 8 and 20% of the time. Onset can be sudden and organ failure extensive and severe. My cousin's first partner was released from hospital and died from sepsis within days. Her aunty was brought into hospital and her condition suddenly turned critical. She survived but lost parts of both her hands and feet to the sepsis infection. My Dad's cousin recently fell ill, went to hospital and was sent home. Days later the ambulance was called and he had sepsis. In CrimeScene2Courtroom's Lucy Letby school friend video, she stated Lucy was made head girl in her final year of school because she was the one who was most likely to set a good example and speak out against those who were misbehaving. Now put that personality on a ward with absent and possibly negligent doctors and unsanitary conditions that doctors weren't doing enough about. Lucy was the face behind the campaign for the new maternity ward and possibly didn't know to keep her mouth shut when talking to the doctors. I honestly believe Lucy Letby was the original whistle blower and Dr Brearey turned against her and blew the whistle back at her first opportunity he got. Who do you think poured the milk all over the nursery, because all that milk didn't come out of that baby! Retired pediatrician Dewi Evans one of the boys with a hatred for hospital management and attuned to the plight of his comrades, inserts, or injects, himself into the case, which in and of itself violates the preservation of independence, and finds what no one else could. Not once, not twice, but Twenty two times. Here, this is what that looks like: criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality, criminality. Never deviating, never providing even the possibility of a non criminal explanation. This wasn't a miscarriage of justice. It was an abomination perpetuated and designed by narcissists and the corrupt to frame someone innocent. Time to step up!

[@RC-jr4in]

Common for senior management to overlook incompetence at the least, and terrible deadly practice at the worst, in most organisations, so they can save money and their energy.

[@roblloyd1879]

The veneer of civilisation is very thin. A surprisingly large number of our population take pleasure in many forms of sadism from child abuse (not just sexual, often just physical abuse mounting to torture). It also extends to animals with illegal badger baiting, cock-fighting and dog fighting still endemic although illegal. We also have the Abusive relationships in the male/female relationship. I didn't say marriage because many are co-habiting. The media has has latched on to the Letby case but it is the tiniest tip of a very large iceberg. Also think of the, so called, snuff videos and similar child abuse material. There are many decent people in the world but never underestimate the level of evil that exists in Humanity.

[@AnimatedBlast]

Badger baited and cock fighting was considered civilised until recently

[@2010A-j3v]

so you just described humans and basic human nature. congrats

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

Personally, I believe that imprisoning, torturing, and slaughtering 70 BILLION animals every year via animal farming, is evil. Breeding innocent animals, gentle creatures, into existence only to give them a life of deprivation and death is vile so someone can have a sandwich or buy some shoes. When humans don’t even NEED to do this. That is a lot of agony we are pumping into the world. And everyone just thinks it’s normal and laugh if you suggest it might be a bad thing to be doing.

[@accountnamewithheld]

@@BanjoPixelSnack If animals didn't want to be eaten they should escape or evolve intelligence. Until then... dinner

[@kp361]

@@BanjoPixelSnack Are you equating farming and eating meat (which human bodies are designed to do) with murdering human babies? It isn't the same. If you think it is, maybe you need to consider how much you have in common with Lucy Letby.

[@rajsamb]

Slap for Nurses.

[@rgwilkes]

I'm sorry but all the forensic psychoanalysis that I've heard about Lucy Letby seems to be squeezing in theories to fit her crimes. What amazes me is her two friends who have known her in all aspects of her life and do not believe she is guilty!

[@mandyjames8211]

That doesn't mean she is innocent. It just means she might be a fantastic actress and manipulator (which would fit with the crimes)

[@Jac70]

You're right - the media want to create a hate figure and keep the story rolling along. Which I can understand if she is guilty. I have no reason to doubt the verdict but all these ad-hoc assertions that she 'took sadistic pleasure' from the deaths seem completely spurious to me. No one saw her commit any of these crimes so how could they know? The whole thing seems completely inexplicable.

[@Alwaysontime-dh1gz]

I do agree the doctors, “experts “ are trying to squeeze her in to the same pattern, why do we pay these people, they get it wrong much more often than right, I personally would agree she is of course guilty but what is frightening is sometimes it turns out to be miscarriage of justice , then these profilers, behaviour phycologist never seem to explain why they were so wrong, Let’s hope she stays in prison for good!

[@giopomerol3952]

Ummmm....Hitler had a lot of friends. I guess they didn't believe he was guilty of anything. Get my drift?

[@AJ-kb9hf]

The fact that her friends do not believe she is guilty is testament to the fact that she is an absolute manipulator and they could not see her for what she is. Sometimes we don't recognise the people closet to us - because we are too close and cannot be objective about them especially if they are fantastic liars.

[@SajSajidmk]

Arrest The Hospital 🏥 Managers, Management

[@jamiemacdonald5203]

I wouldn't be surprised if she tops herself in the future, I've heard from some women and guards that female prisons can be more volatile and violent than the men's. I'm not sure how it prolerly works in a women's prison but if she hasn't requested protective custody she's gonna living amongst women who've lost children whether dead or had them removed and some who wanted but couldn't have there will likely be an in prison bounty on her due to the nature and high profile of the case. In mens there was usually the unwritten rule of anyone who's committed crimes against women, children or the elderly were attacked on sight and forced to go into protection and live with the nonces.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

I’ve seen this commented quite a few times since the verdict regarding women’s jails so I looked into it. The stats suggest that while violence rates in women’s prisons are higher than in men’s prisons (since 2019, anyway), this may be down to women inmates being more likely to report assaults and men being less likely to report. Assaults in male prisons are also twice as likely to be serious and require hospital treatment.

[@lizzys625]

She didn’t get right justice she is evil she should been made to go to court she show her guilt she is evil and the mangers should of stop her from killing them poor babies they having not a done a duty care she a demon god help them poor mummy’s and daddy’s and them poor and new born babies she pure evil

[@sky123457]

She should face death penalty for her disgusting murders for these precious babies , the poor familes who lost their little gems shocking and sick

[@noserialkiller3596]

Bring back the death penalty. No Serial Killer.

[@tansysmith5126]

Instead of wasting money on diversity training put bloody camera's in the hospital. Pray for the families.....

[@run2cat4run]

Or listen to the nurses and doctors who tried to warned the managers

[@normankennith7919]

instead of wasting money on sending weaponry to ukraine at the taxpayer's expense, they might have been able to put bloody cameras in the hospital!!! then they would have seen the real culprit!!!

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

Honestly what is the point of prayers when the god you are praying to just watched while this happened and allowed it?

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

@@normankennith7919It never would have happened in the first place if there had been cameras.

[@normankennith7919]

they might have filmed the real culprit!! however, thanks to the tory government, the nhs can't afford them!!!@@BanjoPixelSnack

[@midnitdragoon]

From what it sounds like.... The hospital was very relectant in getting law enforcement involved... Why is that?

[@ruthbashford3176]

Because the babies Lucy was supposed to have murdered had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes.

[@kesses9041]

Calling her psychopath is silly. She wrote about her anxiety and feeling of worthlessness, and thats not symptoms of psychopaths. They do not feel anxiety or fear. Its bad using the psychopath-label too loosely, it is watering it down too much. She is clearly lacking empathy and showing strong sadistic tendencies, but either shes a sociopath or a narcissist and/or borderline. They too can lack empathy and be very calculating and cruel when they're on the severe end of the scale. Who is this women using these words and labels like this??

[@thinkingallowed7042]

Psychologists are nutters.

[@sreddy914]

I think she s a scapegoat

[@zaftra]

As a male who worked at a children's theme park for 3 years, I can assure you woman and some mothers are the most brutal stone hearted things out there.

[@evaadams8298]

Yes I was on a train recently and this awful mother was disgusting to her kids who were trying to get her attention. I thought “those poor kids don’t stand a chance”. She was vile and acted like she hated her children. Made me so upset and angry.

[@kp361]

Women aren't 'the most' brutal and stone hearted, but just like men they are capable of being evil, yes.

[@pepperprovasnik]

Lately, the healthcare world attracts these kinds of people

[@93jElwood]

What if she is innocent and a victim of circumstance. The evidence is purely circumstantial. These commentators are making unfounded supposition, based only on their prejudice of an assumption of guilt

[@politirel2]

The worst killers in UK history were a nurse, Amelia Dyer 400+, and Harold Shipman a doctor 250+.

[@greigsanderson]

Worst female killer, mongo

[@ftw1540]

Amelia Dyer

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

@@greigsanderson I'm afraid in my ignorance, that I have never heard of Mongo, was she worse that countess Bathory?

[@tracieday8661]

These people are absent a soul. It's really an extraordinary phenomenon. Terrifying

[@scottaznavourian3720]

Hillariis peole say she was overjoyed when everyrhinh i read says she was deveststed..even the babies parents said it originally. The mass delusion going on to support this injustice is unreal...

[@alleymed0250]

Lucy and many others like her knows they can get away with it, they tried and tested their skills on smaller scale jobs also knows the system is calibrated in their favour (women do no wrong ) where the killer becomes the complainant, the ABUSER becomes the ABUSED and the victim must apologise and redeem themselves for calling them to account. This is mind bending, crazy making and twisted mindset. Feelings, empathy and the term "broken hearts" are used as punch lines. In reality you are dealing with an empty vessel (Evil through and through) This is what women (not all) can and able to do, SNEAKY and NO violence involved.

[@zulaikalondon]

I wish they would stop calling her angel faced. She was a maternity nurse, baby murderer of course she doesn’t look like a gargoyle.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

Agree. She just looks normal. Nothing angelic about her looks. But they have to exaggerate for dramatic effect or whatever.

[@davidwee130]

She looks the way she is

[@Autonomy0]

Apparently the Daily Mail article from April 2017 reporting that the Countess of Chester Hospital had formally requested police investigation of its spike in baby deaths also include information that Justine Jones, a clinical negligence lawyer with Slater & Gordon (Chester) would be representing the parents of several babies who had died at the hospital in their claims of clinical negligence against the hospital. There are just no words.

[@SajSajidmk]

Managers, and management Must be in jail

[@biggiesmalls1048]

Leading expert, Kent Kiehl mentioned in The Psychopath Whisperer that he hadn't personally encountered a female who met the full criteria for psychopathy. Letby didn't show up for sentencing - a true psychopath would be indifferent to the impact statements of victims' families or even derive some form of satisfaction from them. Instead I think it's partly Munchausen syndrome by proxy (or Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another, FDIA) - a disorder where a caregiver fabricates, exaggerates, or induces illness in someone under their care to gain attention or sympathy. Women often derive status from maternalism, but in rare cases it can become pathological. I also see a bitter resentment, caused by her weakness and inferiority, leaving her with a desire to see the world burn - her revenge on existence itself. This is probably why she became a sadist. All in all, a dark, despicable creature.

[@robertjsmith]

no one decides to be a psychopath, show some compassion

[@biggiesmalls1048]

@@robertjsmith Letby deserves punishment, not compassion

[@robertjsmith]

@@biggiesmalls1048 thats because you believe we have free will

[@laplaneteverte2958]

Remember forever : “Nobody owns life, but anyone who can pick up a frying pan owns death.”

[@nene-b6p]

Luci....fer might be evil, but where did this so-called behavioural psychologist get her degree, at the pub? She has NO IDEA what a psychopath or a narcissist is.

[@jaimeedowell1383]

A month later and it is so absolutely clear that she just thirved on the pain of babies.

[@ruthbashford3176]

A year later and it is so absolutely clear that Lucy is innocent.

[@jaimeedowell1383]

@@ruthbashford3176 .....sure.

[@kookie88-dh3px]

There are problems in neonatal units….is it rare? let parents stay all night in neonatal units rather than send them home…

[@ruthbashford3176]

What difference a year makes.

[@paulwilliams8725]

Another scape goat for the nhs

[@harryhill8543]

This analysis is frankly nonsense. First off this lady is described as a behavioural psychologist, yet she is giving an opinion on inferred emotions, from someone she hasn't met never mind assessed. Behaviourists main focus is on obersable behaviour, not emotional states or clinical disorders. There is scant evidence of her motivations, never mind her emotional states. Also how can someone have emotions yet experience sadistic pleasure? Thats contradictory. Also is the guilty notes she obsessively scrawled about her crimes which were central to the case, doesnt exactly strike me as being unable to feel guilt. She has no forensic qualifications and has no qualifications which mean she is able to offer any diagnosis of anything. What these talking heads tend to do is try to fit the person to the disorder, which is the opposite of whats sensible. I would argue that "psychologists" such as this are dangerous, they have already made up their opinions of people with their limited knowledge and just look for info that backs their prejudices and ignore info that refutes it. Her idea that shes a "pure psychopath" just shows how little she knows about the construct as pure psychopaths do not exist, because some of the items which make up the construct are contradictory. Psychopaths also show behavioural problems thoughout their life, its not something that pops up in your 20s. Its actually such a high threshold to find anyone who scores enough to be a psychopath they are diffcult to find in, even in prisons. The fact is these rent a quotes have never assessed it, show no evidence of training on the subject or even what other disorders could be present. I suppose thats why they are there, because the people in the know aren't about to go waffle nonsense for the cameras.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

The doctors, the pediatricians, first suspected the nurse.

[@silky567]

No evidence to back up yr claims like their was a lack of evidence in the first place...got all these people trying 2 do a analysis of Lucy because she don't fit into none of there categories...she is not been found mentally ill or anything else...this may be a miscarriage of justice...

[@flyagaric1607]

She isn't a psychopath. She is much more likely to be Borderline Personality. This psychologist hasn't got a clue.

[@me5969]

It would take a fair few sessions for a trained and experienced professional to diagnose her, so how have you managed to so confidently diagnose her with ever meeting her? I think what you meant to say was "in my opinion"

[@flyagaric1607]

​@@me5969 The anticipation of the first 'doubter' was so exciting, and in only ten minutes too :)). I have studied BPD for around 30 years. I have heard a few renowned people talk about her and they are relatively confident psychopathy isn't at play in this instance, as am i. Psychopathy for a start i believe would have been called out long ago, and besides she could have killed without the years of training that went into getting close to babies.

[@flyagaric1607]

​@@edm-london1660 I believe Its to simplistic for it to be a NPD. She is much more complex. BPD is obviously an underlying driver in criminality, and of course precipitating factors in childhood drives the motivation behind the type of crime. In what sense do you perceive her action/crimes 'moral in origin' (if there is such a thing)....

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Do you? Have a clue?

[@samboonstra471]

A borderline could never sneak under anyone's radar. They are, by definition, impulsive and emotionally volatile. Neither are they sadistic. They lash out from fear of rejection or abandonment.

[@mazklassa9338]

It's funny in an odd way, when I saw the headline "Letby gets life" I was immediately thinking should it not say "Letby gets death"??

[@jeanie8593]

I wonder if her parents realized she was odd early on. And if they had suspicions that’s she was capable of doing these things

[@nigelmorgan3449]

Odd yes they knew

[@Raven4508]

Bloody hell the psychologist looked like a mad axe murderer when she first came on!

[@lornabolger4186]

I saw in the paper today the cell -if you can call it that she will be kept in . Looks very cosy to me .if that is prison life i am sure some of our poor homeless people wouldn't mind spending ther lives in a pleasant looking room like that,with free meals and apparently being able to cloths shop .

[@deanpd3402]

I remember that old queen of the anti-mothers, Myra Hindley.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Countess Bathory?

[@robinanderson2758]

What is really frightening that all the Controlling Governing and outside bodies in the hospital the from top to bottom gave this baby unit senior managers glowing references for first class management for care and attention, and even had been given glowing references, these overseeing bodies need to be revalued for surely their assessments are misguided and they don't want to rock the boat and just close their eyes and gloss over mismanagement within the hospital systems. R.

[@francishooper9548]

The Royal College of Paediatricians was highly critical of the Medical and managerial staff of this unit. They praised the standard of nursing care singling out Letby as an example of a highly competent and skilled nurse.

[@MM-qg5xh]

"She undoubtedly was born a psychopath" Of course! THANK YOU! Finally, a good psychologist who understands what she is talking about. Dr, you are rare to find! sad, but true!

[@francishooper9548]

This is rubbish.

[@Oceanfoxy]

It doesn’t. After how she behaves she must be there

[@imranakram4281]

No one is born evil it is your environment and your surroundings which makes you good or evil

[@mandyjames8211]

You can be born wired in a way that makes you pre-disposed to certain behaviours however, couple that with the upbringing of an overly-doted an only child...

[@TheJack246]

What was the evidence against her was it factual or was it circumstantial? was there post mortem evidence or DNA, she has been convicted though a terrible crime, will there be an appeal, the justice system is a flawed system as it is known, or is that factually incorrect. All these experts commenting on her state of mind, is it not an impossibility to know that, would that be imprecise to claim to know the mind of another persons thoughts is it not personal and unique to them

[@francishooper9548]

There were 6 post mortums all of which found natural causes.

[@mikegraham8319]

What kind of a legal system do we have where a person is convicted without any evidence just probability ?

[@robertjsmith]

The right wing media drive the narrative

[@accountnamewithheld]

the jury heard plenty of evidence you tool

[@mandyjames8211]

Yeah but MASSIVELY probable - she chose these methods of killing to ensure there was no evidence - if you're defending LL based on no physical evidence you really need to come up with an alternative theory ..? Who did it?

[@ianstrange5674]

@mikegraham8319 Circumstantial evidence is still evidence for pity's sake! In this case there was a mountain of it- more than enough to convince the jury of Letby's guilt.

[@Joanne217]

'Incredibly rare'.. Really?!

[@eppityrrell8236]

She should have been there to hear her fate 😢

[@khepresh]

Can everybody please get their heads out of the 15th Century and their own arses? She knew her fate. She is a sadist. She would have enjoyed the witness statements. STOP trying to punish people when you will never have the intelligence to know how and STOP trying to put people like her to death when the only punishment is to lock them up with their boredom and no attention.

[@Dana-ml7sy]

I think you are simplistic in calling her a psychopath. She may well have several disorders. I don’t think she even realises her part in the deaths. Not turning up at court was her way of not acknowledging what she did. She had distanced herself from her actions but she clearly had a compulsion to continue, even when Drs started to challenge her. She couldn’t stop.

[@weerobot]

The Gallows...in Public So Everyone Can Cheer....

[@margaretdesaubin4456]

Bring back the death penalty the cell she is in looks very cosy which is absolutely ridiculous why should the taxpayers have to pay to keep her in these conditions

[@alexispaterson814]

IMHO The media should make Letby person non grata. It can't be nice for the families to see It's face everywhere they look or to hear It's name constantly.

[@alexispaterson814]

And until It decides to explain Its actions The families will never know why, so stop debating Its motivation

[@therange4033]

I hope her parents are watching these followups. They think she is innocent. How wrong they are. We must NOT tar Nurses with her crime. We MUST take those Managers to court and DISMISS them. A few left already.

[@janlittle2148]

I doubt they are but I feel for them too they must be going through hell and are in denial. How easy is it to believe that your much loved only child is a mass murderer. She has destroyed them too.

[@francishooper9548]

What forensic evidence is there that any of these babies were murdered and what evidence is there that directly links this nurse to their deaths. To suggest that Lucy is a psychopath does not match her behaviour - if she has no empathy why did she write her so called confession note? I have worked in Psychiatry for nearly 40 years - the suggestion that Letby is a psychopath is not supported by the facts - nothing in her background remotely suggests this. People should be aware that for a psychologist to make a diagnosis without actually assessing a person face to face over several sessions is unprofessional. There is no evidence linking Letby to any crime either actual eyewitnesses , circumstantial or forensic. There is strong evidence she was set up because she was a whistleblower. An inquiry by the Royal College of Paediatricians into the unit immediately prior to the spike in deaths and collapses actually found she was a highly skilled, competent nurse. People should also be aware that the Chester Hospital had one of the highest rates of stillbirths in the Country at the same time as this spike in neonate collapses and deaths. Personally I am disappointed that Hartley- Brewer has sunk to the low levels of journalism practiced by her peers.

[@AnimatedBlast]

Duh. You think she did it because she was bored?

[@commonwunder]

This is one of those very rare cases... where nothing about it makes any sense? A conviction by a jury with only circumstantial evidence, is not proof that she committed the crimes. Just proof... that ordinary members of the public made a decision on circumstantial evidence. Nine months of dry, monotonous 'evidence' devoid of any smoking gun or a motive. It would be easy for a colleague, possibly a superior 'vindictive' nurse/doctor to incriminate her. Knowing her schedule or even organising it. Or covering up negligence or malpractice is still feasible. In a modern world, with high tech surveillance and cutting edge forensics... all this case rested on was, "well, it must've been her... so therefore it was her". Now the case is over, it's legal for righteous and disgusted journalists, and social commentators to tell us to all be disgusted. When nothing was actually proven? This case only proves... the UK judicial system still has a long way to go.

[@paulrichards6894]

30 nurses 9 doctors....25 major incidents.....the other nurses were never there for more 6....the doctors for no more than 7....she was there for all 25.....go figure sherlock

[@commonwunder]

@@paulrichards6894 You've just explained how a set-up would work.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@commonwunder are you a anti vaxer...are you a holocaust denier....flat earther??

[@accountnamewithheld]

Not everything is a conspiracy. Stop defending a serial killer. JFC

[@mandyjames8211]

If it wasn't her - what is your theory for these deaths?

[@kookie88-dh3px]

Let’s talk about what should happen in neonatal units now to protect babies….there are problems in neonatal units and when you’ve been a mother of a premature child you would know…

[@ruthbashford3176]

The consultants running the failing neonatal unit in Countess of Chester Hospital were the subject of a critical report from the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. The consultants filed a report with the police alleging the infant deaths were due to Nurse Lucy Letby. In all but one case the infants received autopsies and the Coroner found they died of natural causes. During the same period the Countess of Chester hospital had high levels of still births. A retired paediatrician, Dr Dewi Evans, approached the National Crime Agency and suggested they should invite him to participate in the investigation. Dr Evans is not a pathologist or forensic scientist and he has no experience in the investigation of mass murder in a hospital setting. Evans disregarded the findings of pathologists who performed the autopsies and developed his own theories. He made his claims based on a review of the clinical records and images taken at autopsy. Despite having no new evidence, Cheshire Constabulary accepted the medical rationale of Dr Evans and charged Lucy Letby with 7 murder and 10 attempted murders. It should also be pointed out the number of perinatal deaths in 2017 & 2018 was higher than in 2015 & 2016. In June 2019, Dr Gibbs retired, he was the senior consultant who accused Lucy Letby of murdering infants. In that same year the number of perinatal deaths and stillbirths dramatically declined. The case against Lucy Letby lacked scientific evidence and is based on unverified hypotheses, it should never have been bought to trial. The so called "experts" should have been ripped apart on the witness stand as being woefully out of their depth and engaging in wild unsupported speculation. Frankly it reeks of a cover up for clinical failures at the hospital.

[@accountnamewithheld]

Stop defending a convicted serial killer.

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@accountnamewithheld Lucy Letby is NOT a serial killer. The police investigation suffered from tunnel vision and the trial was unfair. The scientific experts for the prosecution were unqualified and the defence did sweet FA to defend their client. It is clear no babies were attacked or murdered by anybody. There is no proof Lucy did anything wrong. Read SCIENCE ON TRIAL rexvlucyletby you might learn something!

[@laplaneteverte2958]

Karma promotes intentional action. For example, when you help someone in need, the action leaves an imprint, and as these imprints develop with experiences, it opens the possibility of you receiving help in return when you need it. Conversely, harmful actions bring about negative consequences - you won’t receive help when you need it, but instead, you may be harmed.

[@Joe_Peroni]

"Letby the LOONEY". If she's "targeted" by other inmates, would she then wonder WHY? What a nightmare she is. (And if you play this video at 0.5 speed they both look & sound very DRUNK!)

[@janedmonds3867]

Impact statments would not have made any difference to her

[@nicholasstorey1]

Why don't you people just be quiet until after her appeal?

[@hellok7877]

I bet if it was a foreign nurse she would have been fired right away so deal with it NMC and NHS......not fit for purpose. Just box tickers and it serves them right .

[@sen5908]

Why dont killers once they are given there sentence, say the reason i did this was because xyz, they never do, why is this, they know there never getting out ?

[@ursamajor6347]

They know that the publican especially the parents want to know what happened and why she did what she did but her refusing to tell gives her a sense of power.

[@helenbardakas1321]

As far as we know.

[@violinstar5948]

Is it “shocking she was a nurse and a woman”? There are multiple instances of evil women. Irma Grese for example at Belsen Concentration Camp

[@alanhull-ii5ip]

Wonder what the real reason was for her not attending sentencing 🤔

[@robynmeyer7796]

Voyeuristic homicidal sadist?…..or schadenfreude?

[@BeHumanWithOutBorders]

Just like Brenton Terrant , she feels pleasure when see innocent lives dying in pain

[@rosenadsady3560]

This woman was convicted on circumstantial evidence some of which lacked substance. An evil sadistic person killed these babies ,but was it her or one of the hundreds of other staff who worked in the hospital. Many had access to the neonatal clinic

[@mandyjames8211]

She was the only common denominator at every baby collapse though

[@denisem1080]

It Is Not Rare!!

[@katewells7670]

A clinical psychiatrist says LL is NOT a psychopath

[@newshound2521]

I dont think so either. A 3/8th trained one. A psychopath wouldnt write those notes or have a pet cat. I think she has narcissitc personality disorder but is high on the psychopath scale without fully being one

[@helenbardakas1321]

Hey most nurses couldn't care less but they don't kill people.

[@favourmercy8678]

🇬🇧 as gone the spirit of wickedness enter, im even afraid of the hospital now,, i see these things in my life with people who begging me for help,even the bank is the next they abuse you when they even see 500 in one's account I want to move away..

[@mahoganycarmichael1888]

Monster 👺

[@allyw1364]

Babies,Children & Animal Cruelty.....I just CANNOT AND WILL NEVER understand these types of People Who love to torture, and inflict pain to cause death 😕

[@keithwilliams744]

Julia takes pleasure in the suffering of people as well and is still getting paid for it. She will chant down the microphone if a refugee kills or injured anyone and brand all refugees as evil and criminal. So what’s happening here? Why is she confused that non refugees actually can do great harm. She describes Letby as angel faced even after we are aware of her crimes. What criteria does she use to come to this conclusion? I can only assume we shouldn’t look at white women as having the potential for criminality. This describes perfectly how prejudice can be a hindrance to justice. It was Beverly Alitt that was last convicted of killing babies whilst on duty. We need to abandon the idea that criminals have a skin pigment type or a gender it’s costing too many lives.

[@kengaskins5083]

Just my opinion, and I have no mental health experience, but I really don't think she is a psychopath or sociopath. She wrote those notes which were filled with self admonishment & guilt. There would have been more witness testimony regarding subtle but sinister acts, like watching someone slip on some ice followed by her laughing. Something would have been OFF, there would have been TELLS which would have come out in the trial. Also, she had no criminal history, nothing before the murders. Most likely I believe she began with good intentions. Either in Liverpool or in Chester, she witnessed a baby's death. She got OFF on it, and discovered a devious pleasure. It's possible it even had a sexual component (ala Karla Faye Tucker). Sadistic and narcissistic is not far fetched, but I can't see any other mental irregularities here. Interesting, she was 25 years old at the time of at least some of the crimes if I'm not mistaken. This is about the time a brain is fully formed. It could be a biological issue, such as a tumor or lesion in her brain. I hope she is willing to donate her brain to science so it can be studied besides apologizing to the parents of the infants, her parents/friends/colleagues. Also, she should do as much good in jail (tutoring for example) as possible and find God or some spirituality. Maybe take some college classes to understand herself.

[@francishooper9548]

I have 40 years experience in mental health - perhaps you should stick to what you know.

[@kengaskins5083]

@@francishooper9548 I think I clearly stated I didn't have any mental health experience and it was just an opinion. Just relax, we may never know what this woman is all about.

[@SajSajidmk]

CCTV camera 📸🤳 for motorists £££££, But none for Babies hospital 🏥💊🏥🏥💊💉💊💉🏥💊🏥