Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 2 - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@Jygerthe2nd]

You know what's insane? Even to this day, Psycho Pirate still, to this day, remembers everything that's happened throughout the entirety of the DC Universe's history, at least that he personally viewed.

[@johnnygyro2295]

That probably can't be good for his sanity.

[@jfdrac]

@@johnnygyro2295 What Sanity? The guy makes Joker and Carnage look stable

[@moyza_]

Animal Man can say a lot about this.

[@Alice89chan]

@@jfdrac isn't he dead?

[@jfdrac]

@@Alice89chan Nu52/Rebirth basically meant anything before that was no longer canon (unless they wanted it to be lol)

[@mrmrmadlad9167]

“And this is why hand sanitizer is so important” That joke sure means something different in 2020

[@andreworders7305]

The Flash: The only big name hero death that ever lasted any significant amount of time. Also the one that bringing back has caused more problems then good.

[@gaukaiser]

"and so the psycho pirate became the Nostalgia Critic"....this explains so much!^^

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

No no no. He became Daffy Duck, and *then* became the Nostalgia Critic.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Bat Credit Card!

[@alicedarhk9790]

gaukaiser Then he became merged with The Plothole

[@gaukaiser]

and then he came back ;)

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

man. imagine what would happen If nostalgia critic discovers his true power. he is already powerful enough to cause explosions with a hand gun he's killed Angel's he's used the KZbin comment section to fight zuko and defeated shamilan and even caused two nuclear explosions through sheer rage. imagine him with psycho pirates power's.

[@KitsuneRokaku]

To quote Perfect Cell: "Multiverse Theory's a Bitch"

[@RudyBlackman]

smashmaster521 dbz ep 50

[@KitsuneRokaku]

Scarlet soltice Ding ding ding

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

DBZ Abridged specifically. A parody.

[@SorowFame]

A Person With a Name I keep forgetting that isn't the actual show.

[@MeepChangeling]

@@FixTheWi-Fi Go watch dragonball. That parody is more in line with the orgional work than Z. Thus, DBZA is canon.

[@Archeopteryxman421]

Interesting fact about Barry Allen's death: It was implied later that his energy went back in time, and took the form of a lightning bolt, which became the very lightning bolt which hit Barry Allen's lab, and made him the Flash.

[@TheArceusftw]

So all his sacrifice amounted to was a causality loop?!

[@TevyaSmolka]

Archeopteryxman421 yup it all goes full circle

[@videtowitelpavo]

Archeopteryxman421 when i discovered that i only could think "ffs barry, are you ever going to not create time-space mayhem with your actions? wally doesn't create another earth or paradox or multiversal chaos when travels in time, are you sure that you're not the villian?"

[@TevyaSmolka]

funny enough that's what exactly happens during flashpoint and during a new 52 storyline with the future flash

[@georgemiser]

Anyone remember Marvel's little homage to Barry shortly after crisis?

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

"problems for the continuity of Legion of Super-Heroes" *Understatement of the century*

[@incitossol]

Fuzzy Barbarian Shouldn't that be 31st century?

[@Elementa2006]

Fuzzy Barbarian you know for all of Linkara's complaints about how the New52 screwed up the Teen Titans, at least the Titans are still relevant to casual comic fans (thanks to Wolvman's run and the 2000s cartoon show). When was the last time the Legion sparked interest outside of hardcore Legion fans? Hard to imagine before the Crisis, it was once one of DC's bestselling titles. Us Legion fans had it worse I tell ya.

[@zvonimirtomac7896]

Fuzzy Barbarian Especially since they made 3 different Legions from 3 different realities.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

Well, *currently* the Legion is sparking interest, but I think a lot of that is more new readers interested at the *idea* of the Legion. Also, helps that it's a mystery to unravel.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

Hell, there's kinda actually four Legions... and depending on how the retcon in the last issue of their most recent ongoing works out, possibly five... and the Rebirth Legion so far seems to be a new Legion too... ugh. Though to be fair, the second reboot (the Threeboot) wasn't at all necessary, since continuity wasn't an issue with the Reboot Legion. Then the third reboot (the Retroboot) seemed to exist purely for nostalgia's sake (that and most people hated the Threeboot), but continuity, again, wasn't an issue. The Rebirth Region (which I like to call the ReLegion) at least makes sense from a continuity standpoint after the Retroboot screwed itself. While I like the Reboot Legion best and it would've never existed without the original Legion getting screwed, it's just insanely uninviting to new readers. And all because of the Superboy thing, a retcon I don't even dislike.

[@sammcguire3798]

Superman: You see, buddy, you're so proud how you're a monitor, a great power that can't be challenged. But you need to understand that though you may be a monitor, I AM A MAN!!!!!

[@Megamanlanprime]

Darkseid: You forget one thing Kal-El, Super or otherwise, you are just a man while I am a god.

[@tjjordan4207]

Batman: "BUT I'M BATMAN!!!" Bruce and the Monitor: "Damn it, he wins!"

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@Megamanlanprime Superman: A "god" that I can kill by singing.

[@rga1605]

"And thus the Psycho Pirate became the Nostalgia Critic", that has to be one of the best jokes you ever did.

[@daelen.cclark]

Rafael Galvão I’d have gone with...”And thus the psycho pirate became Geoff johns.).

[@SonofMrPeanut]

The Regular Show finale seemed to take a bit of inspiration from this story. Pops was destined to fight an Anti-Pops, as they had for eons, and like the Monitor and Anti-Monitor they were both equally matched. While the final battle didn't reshape their universe, it was a fittingly epic way to end the series.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Good show...

[@Cdr2002]

@@johnnygyro2295Jolly good show

[@Mewchu14]

15:46 Dr. Manhattan glances down at the shattered thing in his hand. "god dammit I just made that!"

[@patricklyons794]

Calvatron, Lord of Nothing 😉

[@killerbee2562]

You know I wonder if Doomday clock is going that way,

[@daelen.cclark]

killerbee256 It WOULD be more interesting.

[@Drakeo83]

the cover was by George Perez but is was painted by Alex Ross and indeed it's a gorgeous cover! it contains 563 characters in total

[@L1701]

You can tell Ross didn’t draw it because it has Firestorm in it. Ross doesn’t like Firestorm for some reason, so he never painted him.

[@ingonyama70]

I shoiuld probably talk about THIS comic, though. Honestly, I never knew the story of the Crisis itself. I'd heard of the Anti-Monitor, Barry Allen and Supergirl's deaths, and the skrunching up of all the universes into one, but this is the first time I've learned the whole story. And...It's kind of amazing. I can see why it ended up influencing decades' worth of comics following it. I cna also see why DC would have floundered a little, because after you make the multiverse explode...where do you go from there?

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Curt Clark Have it fight and temporarily merge with it's rival comic book company

[@KidSnivy69]

Most definently. Honestly this is one of the few comics I think earned the right to be called an Event Comic.

[@TevyaSmolka]

agreed and actually had consequences that effected the universe

[@fhb3]

+Curt Clark: How do you top Crisis On Infinite Earths? YOU DON'T. DC had NO BUSINESS trying to revisit it with Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, Rebirth, and any other DC reboots I missed?

[@TevyaSmolka]

Except Rebirth has been amazing right now and actually saved DC comics from themselves

[@Jygerthe2nd]

4:16 John Stewart: The Green Lanterns have a legend-no one can see the beginning of time. It's a universal law! Batman: Write him a ticket.

[@autobotproductions1244]

Jeffery Phillips I understood that reference

[@LaketreeRKR]

3:23 "--And this is why hand sanitizer is so important." That hits real differently right about now.

[@Mathadar]

I admit, one of my favorite scenes is with Darkseid blasting the Anti-Monitor with his Omega beams.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Darkseid is... Very good at taking potshots.

[@emancoy]

Finally!, the origin story of the Nostalgia Critic

[@alicedarhk9790]

Where is our Linkara origin story??

[@DeathGodRiku]

@@alicedarhk9790 on his DVDs

[@RandoChrisYT]

So if Earth Prime is destroyed, does that mean that we're all ghosts watching another ghost explain the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths? :P

[@Studmanafier]

Wait, are we not?

[@sowdock6417]

No because earth prime was recreated in infinite crisis

[@SMAXZO]

No, no...Convergence kind of undid CoIE...we're good.

[@Thoran666]

That would explain why I feel dead inside.

[@cunnyman]

Earth Prime isn't our earth. Just a representation of ours. Have you ever heard of Metropolis or Superman in our world?

[@FNGLHR]

I got the Graphic Audio presentation of this event and I loved how it captured all the crazy insanity of this event in a short tight knit package. Also some really great voice acting. I kinda miss how you didn't cover my favorite line from Anti-Monitor. "Why are you all fighting me? YOU'RE ALREADY DEAD!" That's more or less the perfect line of a villain getting pissed at heroic determination in the face of impossible odds. Evil cannot comprehend good indeed. Still, great work here, can't wait for next week.

[@JohnnyElRed]

Probably because he already used the joke for that line in the Fist of the North Star review.

[@SaurAuteur]

Psycho Pirate: "I remember all the other earths, and I'm never going to forget. I hope they don't all try to explode out of my head and break the comic panels. Also I can see you staring at me, cut it out it's kind of creepy!"

[@Webshooters1]

1:50 - 1:55: Oh god, River Song just prevented The Doctor from dying when he was supposed to again!

[@emikikuno]

Goku Black Word for word what I thought.

[@samuelbarber4154]

Huh, I understood that reference.

[@rassilontdavros3004]

I really hate that episode...

[@joshuamonson9973]

I always thought that was the Anti-Monitor's skin, not teeth. That stoic, neutral expression is a lot scarier to me than the idea that he's constantly giving a Liefeld grimace.

[@darkwolverine007]

I think that too, really not fan of thinking that are his teeth ...

[@troin3925]

I honestly think he looks much more intimidating if those were his teeth.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Behold! The end result of Youngblood's disease!

[@GeminiRosche]

I like the teeth idea

[@L1701]

They’re clearly lips, not teeth.

[@luckyowl1681]

True, while he's back and celebrated so much now, godspeed Barry Allen... Godspeed. *salute* I was introduced to The Flash via the Justice League series... I didn't think much of Wally West, or the Flash in general, because I was, as typical of those of my age back then, a die-hard fan of Batman. Then I saw the episode taking place in Central City, when he was actually talking down The Trickster instead of just having another brawl with the villain. Then when Wally West, the Flash, nearly killed himself to defeat the union of Luthor and Brainiac. It's easy to say that almost overnight, The Flash became my favorite DC superhero, more so when I began to properly learn the history of Barry Allen, Eobard Thawne, Wally West, and so on. The Scarlet Speedster, the hero of Central City... and with Barry's (temporary) death in this very event, a hero to the universe. So, I guess... Thank you for shedding more history for us, Lewis. Thank you, because I have no local access to comics, and you showed us just how Wally West came to take up the mantle.

[@SMAXZO]

No, no, no..we're not dead. Convergence basically undo Crisis on Infinite Earths...we're good.

[@TheAwesomeHyperon]

SMAXZO which creates a lot of continuity issues for the Pre-Flashpoint multiverse

[@pious83]

Final Crisis said the Multiverse was still out there.. then *something* , *something* Superman Robot, Universal Vampire *Something* ... Grant Bloody Morrison...

[@johnnygyro2295]

@@pious83 He writes a lot of trippy stuff. I want to read his run on JLA though. World War 3 sounds like another one of DC's crowning moments of awesome!

[@daelen.cclark]

Nobody remembers that ending and let’s just keep it forgotten.

[@psychogunner7062]

You know, it's... Actually kind of sad, to see what they did with Superboy Prime I mean, come the end of this series, the kid went to hell and back with the other heroes, to the dawn of time and back, fighting the Anti-Monitor in his home turf alongside the original Superman, and at the end of it all, even if he knows he'll die... He's okay with it. Because he did what Superman is meant for: to protect and save everyone. And then they went and just... Shat all over it. Made him a massive "Fuck You" incarnate to DC fans who made complaints about the company, and in the end... Made him more known as a despicable villain, than the true hero he could have been. God dammit, I hate it so much.

[@cameronedwards4893]

At least he came back to goodness in his fight with "The Bat/Superman who laughs"

[@L1701]

To be fair, look at this from his perspective. He just gets powers, then gets dragged into a multiversal crisis. His native Earth is destroyed. Everyone he ever loved, his friends, family...gone. And then there’s one Earth left. He gets stuck in a “paradise” dimension with an elderly alternate version of himself and his wife and a redheaded guy. He never really got to be a hero. I say that he would be understandably bitter.

[@briansivley2001]

Man and I thought The Legend of Zelda Timeline was confusing. That's nothing compared to this.

[@Shiirow]

Crisis on Infinite Hyrules

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

Keelan Barron "I won!"

[@L1701]

And then Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, and now Rebirth...yeah. DC has really given up trying to create a consistent canon.

[@BreakNebula]

they haven't given up, more like the opposite but with too many cooks

[@DeathGodRiku]

Try figuring out the Fate timeline lol

[@Gaia_BentosZX5]

The fallout of this event comic can still be felt today: the consequence of having too many characters to work with can be dire. You end up losing track of every participant of that story, so the solution is to read the previous issue's summary. In fact, many of today's shows and comics still refrence this major event, with their own spin on it.

[@androzani84productions85]

To the point 2022’s event was Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths

[@michaelramon2411]

To answer the end-of-credits question... maybe the Monitor knew the future while the Anti-Monitor didn't because the Monitor actually looked for it? I mean, the Monitor actually studied universes to learn from them, right? While the Anti-Monitor just wanted to conquer and destroy and so forth? So if the Anti-Monitor had done the research, he could have gotten future knowledge too, but he was too busy smashing things to realize it.

[@NoahDaArk]

You can see that with the Psycho Pirate. The Anti-Monitor was so consumed with his plans of conquest... that he didn't realize Psycho Pirate had an actual limit to what he could do

[@juhaniaho6698]

19:54 Golden Age Superman: Anti-Monitor, the thing is, you might be an eldritch abomination hellbent on annihilating our universe, because matter and anti-matter can’t exist in the same space without canceling each other out, and that’s why you are trying to destroy all positive matter... But dammit... I. AM. A. GOD. DAMN. MAN!!!!!!!!!!(infinite-mass punch, causes 9 x 10^9999999999999999 damage)

[@johnnygyro2295]

Punched him so hard it caused the universe to explode... Again!

[@juniorjunior4087]

AWESOME

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

I agree, the original Anti-Monitor design is great! The more well-known design is kinda... it's okay, but it doesn't have that same otherworldly, demonic sci-fi look.

[@callianr6980]

Minus what looks like IVs sticking out of a non-existent nose, I agree.

[@L1701]

I can imagine that the second look is preferred by artists. It’s sleeker and easier to draw. The first is one of those designs that basically only Perez could pull off.

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

Agreed.

[@absoluteunit8334]

"And this is one of the reasons that hand sanitizer is so important" I can think of another. Man going back to your old videos just has so much 2020 relevant content.

[@bwminich]

Is it a bad thing that I just recited the "We should DO something! Should we do something?" Line with Linkara?

[@SpadePyro]

George Perez is a real artist genius. An understatement, but he is great with individuals as good as he is with groups

[@lynngreen7978]

Crisis was incredible. It and next week's, are the Gold Standard for Event Comics.

[@Gyarretto7]

I like how Superboy Prime has the whiny voice even when he's not being whiny here.

[@michaeliv284]

Truth is it isn't whining, just awkward puberty

[@androzani84productions85]

I eagerly await Linkara covering Dark Nights: Death Metal

[@troin3925]

@@androzani84productions85 He did now. Not only am I happy to hear that voice again, but Superboy Prime got a happy ending and was redeemed.

[@troin3925]

@@michaeliv284 That actually makes a lot of sense.

[@MegamanNG]

Regarding Supergirl, there was another reason... the Supergirl movie flopped badly in theaters which gave DC the go-ahead to kill her. At least she came back and is somewhat popular again.

[@SuperWolsey]

conplete with getting her own TV show 30 years after she got killed off and 10 after her reintroduction (and Harbinger's unnecessary death) under the likes of the current shell of his former glory in Jeph Loeb

[@L1701]

I personally think that it was originally intended to be Lady Quark, but editorial told Wolfman and Perez to change it to Supergirl. Lady Quark dying fighting the Anti-Monitor makes sense, because she had nothing left to lose at that point.

[@L1701]

Not necessarily, although I can imagine that didn’t help things. In actuality, Dick Giordano, who was executive editor of DC at the time, felt Kara was redundant, just Superman with boobs.

[@L1701]

Not necessarily, although it didn’t help. Dick Giordano, who was DC’s Executive Editor at the time, was never a fan of Supergirl. He felt she was redundant, so he saw Crisis and the plans afterward as an opportunity to get rid of her.

[@DestinyZX1]

Loy Turns that makes more sense

[@rebornkusabi7264]

"And thus the Psycho-Pirate became the Nostalgia Critic"- man, in 2020 that is true in more ways than one, especially taking Infinite Crisis' Psycho-Pirate into consideration lol

[@bensneb360]

Am I the only one who finds it weird that Linkara will spend so much time martyring Supergirl sacrafic, yet mostly skip Barry. Look I get Linkara prefer Wally which is fine, everyone can have their option, but that doesn’t mean Barry shouldn’t get his dues

[@joshuaingobo1559]

This is what DC editorial should have done when making their Post-Crisis continuity from 1938 to 1985. Generation 1: The Golden Age (The Age of Mysteries):
 Year 1 (1938): Zatara premiered on April 18; Crimson Avenger I (Lee Travis) premiered in October.
 Year 2 (1939): Red Tornado I (Ma Hunkel) and Sandman I (Wesley Dodds) premiered on April 30; World War II began on September 1; Shazam premiered on November 8.
 Year 3 (1940): Flash I (Jay Garrick), Johnny Thunder, and Hawkman I (Carter Hall) premiered on January 25; Spectre I (Jim Corrigan) premiered in February; Hourman I (Rex Tyler) premiered in March; Doctor Fate I (Kent Nelson) premiered in May; Allen Adam was born on May 3; Green Lantern I (Alan Scott) premiered on July 16; Atom I (Al Pratt) premiered in October; Green Lantern I, Flash I, Atom I, Doctor Fate I, Hawkman I, Sandman I, Hourman I, and Spectre I established the Justice Society of America on November 9 and had their first meeting on November 22; Max Mercury premiered in November.
 Year 4 (1941): Doctor Mid-Nite I (Charles McNider), Starman I (Ted Night), and the Newsboy Legion premiered in April; Hawkgirl I (Shiera Sanders) premiered in June; the Justice Society of America were bathed in chronal radiation on June 28; the Squadron of Justice, the Shining Knight I (Justin Arthur), Johnny Quick, and Liberty Belle premiered in September; the Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesy premiered in October; Vigilante I (Greg Sanders) premiered in November; Crimson Avenger I, Shining Knight I, Star-Spangled Kid, Stripesy, and Vigilante I established the Seven Soldiers of Victory in December; the Freedom Fighters, Shazam Jr. (Captain Marvel Jr.), Wildcat I (Ted Grant), and Mister Terrific I (Terry Sloane) premiered in December; the All-Star Squadron established on December 7. Year 5 (1942): Sarge Steel was born; Johnny Chambers and Libby Lawrence were married on April 1; the Young All-Stars established on April 26; Mary Marvel premiered on July 6. Year 6 (1943): Judomaster I (Rip Jagger) premiered in June. Year 7 (1944): Redacted Year 8 (1945): Kal-El was born in Krypton on February 29; World War II ended on September 2. Year 9 (1946): Redacted Year 10 (1947): Black Canary I (Dinah Drake) premiered in August.
 Year 11 (1948): Pete Ross was born on January 21; Arthur Curry was born on January 29; Mera was born on January 31; Bruce Wayne was born on February 19; Hal Jordan was born on February 20; Lori Lemaris was born on February 27; Diana of Paradise Island was brought to life on March 22; Krypton exploded on June 16; Kal-El arrived from Krypton to Earth on June 18 and was adopted and raised by the Kents on June 25; Lana Lang was born on July 17; Lois Lane was born on August 17; John Stewart was born on October 17; the Seven Soldiers of Victory disappeared on October 26; Oliver Queen was born on December 9; Steve Trevor was born on December 14.
 Year 12 (1949): Katar Hol was born on March 30; Shayera Hol was born on June 19;
 Year 13 (1950): Redacted Year 14 (1951): Sue Dearbon Dibny was born on February 6; Barry Allen was born on March 19; the Justice Society of America disbanded on March 21; Ralph Dibny was born on May 26; Captain Comet premiered in June; Superbaby premiered on June 11; Dinah Laurel Lance was born on August 19; Barbara Gordon was born on September 23; Iris West arrived from the 30th century on September 27; Superbaby met Zatara on December 25.
 Year 15 (1952): Phantom Stranger premiered in August. Year 16 (1953): The Shazam Family disappeared in November.
 Year 17 (1954): Redacted Year 18 (1955): Martian Manhunter teleported from Mars to Earth and premiered on April 24; the Vietnam War began on November 1.
 Year 19 (1956): Superbaby becomes Superboy I (Clark Kent) and premiered in Smallville on June 11; Bruce Wayne witnessed the death of his parents in Crime Alley on June 26. Year 20 (1957): Redacted Year 21 (1958): Redacted Year 22 (1959): Zatanna Zatara was born on May 20; Kara Zor-El was born in Argo City on September 22.
 Year 23 (1960): Snapper Car was born on January 10; Captain Atom premiered in March; Roy Harper was born on November 1; Dick Grayson was born on November 11.
 Year 24 (1961): Wonder Girl I (Diana of Paradise Island) premiered on March 22; the Justice Society of America returned on June 14.
 Year 25 (1962): Superboy I met Bruce Wayne on March 10, Oliver Queen on March 11, the Legion of Superheroes in April, and Arthur Curry on November 19.
 Year 26 (1963): Barry Allen witnessed the death of his mother on March 18; Superboy I met Barbara Gordon in July; Al Rothstein was born on October 12; Hector Hall was born on November 14.
 Year 27 (1964): Lyta Hall was born in March; Blue Beetle I (Dan Garrett) premiered in June; Superboy I met Hal Jordan on October 23; Sarge Steel premiered in December. Year 28 (1965): Wally West was born on January 16; Garth was born on March 6; Donna Troy was born on April 26. Year 29 (1966): Thunderbolt premiered in January; Clark Kent graduated from Smallville High in May; Bruce Wayne graduated from Gotham High in May; Clark Kent witnessed the death of his parents in May; Jennie-Lynn Hayden and Todd Rice were born on July 20; Clark Kent left Smallville to attend Metropolis University on September 3; Bruce Wayne attended Yale in September. Year 30 (1967): Katar and Shayera Hol were married on February 14; Steve Trevor’s plane crashed on August 13; Wonder Girl I becomes Wonder Woman, arrived at Man’s World, and premiered on September 4. Year 31 (1968): Bruce Wayne graduated from Yale and premiered as Batman in May; Dick Grayson witnessed the death of his parents on July 15 and premiered as Robin I on August 25. Year 32 (1969): Kate Kane was born on March 21; Superboy I becomes Superman on May 14; Helena Bertinelli was born on September 7.
 Year 33 (1970): Clark Kent graduated from Metropolis University in May; Superman and Batman met each other in May; Kyle Rayner was born on May 14; Clark Kent got a job at the Daily Planet on June 30; Jason Todd was born on August 16. Year 34 (1971): Redacted 
Year 35 (1972): Redacted Year 36 (1973): Batwoman I (Kathy Kane) premiered in July; Flash II (Barry Allen) premiered on October 23. -------------------------- Generation 2: The Silver and Bronze Ages (The Age of the Metahuman): Year 1 (1974): The Challengers of the Unknown premiered in February; Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) and Speedy I (Roy Harper) premiered in March; Adam Strange premiered on May 6; Linda Danvers was born on May 18. Year 2 (1975): The Vietnam War ended on April 30; Supergirl I (Kara Zor-El) arrived on Earth and premiered on May 18; Pre-Crisis Rip Hunter premiered in June; Green Lantern II (Hal Jordan) premiered on September 20; Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern II, Flash II, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter established the Justice League of America in September; Kid Flash I (Wally West) premiered on October 20.
 Year 3 (1976): Aqualad I (Garth) premiered in February; Elongated Man (Ralph Dibny) premiered in May; Tim Drake was born on July 19; Stephanie Brown was born on August 11. Year 4 (1977): Cassandra Cain was born on January 26; Hawkman II (Katar Hol) and Hawkgirl II (Shayera Hol) arrived from Thanagar to Earth and premiered in March; Batgirl I (Betty Kane) premiered in April; Flash of Two Worlds (Flash II teamed up with Flash I) happened on June 14; Atom II (Ray Palmer) premiered on July 29; Supergirl I publicly premiered on September 30. Year 5 (1978): Metamorpho premiered in January; Arthur Curry Jr. was born on March 31; The Metal Men and the Doom Patrol premiered in April; Cassie Sandsmark was born on April 26; the JLA and JSA teamed up for the first time to defeat the Crime Champions on June 14; Arthur Curry and Mera married on June 27; Robin I, Aqualad I, Kid Flash I, Wonder Girl II (Donna Troy), and Speedy I established the Teen Titans in July; the JLA and JSA teamed up to defeat the Crime Syndicate in August; Animal Man premiered in September; Zatanna premiered in November.
 Year 6 (1979): Question I (Vic Sage) and Hawk I (Hank Hall) and Dove I (Don Hall) premiered in June; Green Lantern III (Guy Gardner) premiered in July; Deadman premiered on August 10; Nightshade premiered in September; Red Tornado II premieres on September 29; Black Canary II (Dinah Laurel Lance) premiered on October 6; Blue Beetle II (Ted Kord) premiered in November; Barry Allen and Iris West were married on November 24; Batgirl II (Barbara Gordon) premiered on November 29.
 Year 7 (1980): Darkseid and Green Lantern IV (John Stewart) premiered in September; the Seven Soldiers of Victory returned on October 26; the Teen Titans disbanded in November; the New Gods premiered in December; the Shazam Family returned on December 14.
 Year 8 (1981): Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz were born.
 Year 9 (1982): Adam Strange and Alanna were married on September 14; the Teen Titans reestablished on August 19; Power Girl arrived from Krypton to Earth and premiered in November; the Teen Titans disbanded on November 21. Year 10 (1983): Black Lightning premiered on January 4; Arthur Curry Jr. died in February; Firestorm and Robin II (Jason Todd) premiered in March; the Outsiders established in July; Captain Atom, Blue Beetle II, Nightshade, and Question I established the Sentinels of Justice; the New Teen Titans established in November; Infinity Inc. established on December 24. Year 11 (1984): Robin I becomes Nightwing in March; Justice League Detroit was established on July 19; Trial of the Flash happened in September.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

Year 12 (1985): Crisis on Infinite Earths (The multiverse transformed into New Earth; Flash II, Supergirl I, Dove I, and others died; Wally West becomes Flash III; Rick Tyler becomes Hourman II; Beth Chapel becomes Doctor Mid-Mite II; Diana of Paradise Island and Steve Trevor were married) began on July 23 and finished on August 23; the Justice Society of America disappeared to Limbo on September 14; Booster Gold premiered in November.

[@moyza_]

"This comic is an epic equal to no other". Damn right, man!

[@erikdaniels0n]

"UGH, fake news. This is clearly a crisis on only 5 earths"

[@jfdrac]

No idea how played out that joke would be 4 years later lol

[@Evershear]

There was a small group that remembered the crisis besides Psycho Pirate. One I know was Shazam (the wizard, not Capt. Marvel now called Shazam). I think it was hinted that the Specter and the Phantom Stranger also remembered.

[@jfdrac]

That would be the Quintessence probably also Zeus and Ganthet was they were part of the group

[@thegreyjedi2372]

Brainiac remembers, too, apparently.

[@Simh86]

No Lewis, we're not all dead because in 2005 the multiverse, including Earth-Prime came back into existence. We don't remember being destroyed, same as the post Infinite Crisis Earth-2 didn't remember being destroyed.

[@stormwolf3252]

Which is exactly why people today remember "The Berenstein Bears" and not "The Berenstain Bears". ;)

[@Foxpawed]

Except that's just because people remember it being spelled in a less stupid manner because our brains reject the idea they did something that dumb, because seriously, stein is a last name, stain is a thing on the carpet.

[@stormwolf3252]

Implying that their real last name is incredibly stupid? Also, what incontrovertible proof do you have that people remembered it being spelled differently simply because "our brains reject the idea they did something that dumb?"

[@Foxpawed]

Aside from the standard "because of all of the physical evidence that shows it was spelled that way", which is not 'incontrovertible' if you choose to believe in multiverses being a legitimate thing along the lines of the whole 'you can't prove God does or does not exist' game, occam's razor. Its a simple, logical explanation; Human names commonly end in -stein, but for some baffling reason, the creators spelled it -stain instead. For most people, they were books they haven't read since childhood, which likely means most of their experience with them was having the book read TO them, and there's very little phonetic difference between the two spellings.

[@t4nkychannel921]

Why does my brain hurt after reading this? My brain hurts now.

[@redleaderantilles1263]

I had the same experience with Crisis as you Lewis. I had already been reading mainly DC but the thing that made me love that universe as a whole was Crisis. It showed me just how much legacy there was to that universe. It made me want to know who Blue Beetle was or who Firebrand was. This is why I became the JSA fanboy I am today.

[@lucasgibbs4050]

In Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3, Krang fought and KILLED THE ANTI-MONITOR HIMSELF, and he wore the latter as an exoskeleton! I’ll repeat it, Krang, a talking alien brain FOUGHT AND KILLED A COSMIC BEING WHO WIPED OUT THE OG VERSION OF THE DC MULTIVERSE (which is restored thanks to the Convergence event) AND USED HIS BODY AS AN EXOSKELETON!!!!

[@garlandmueller740]

I don´t care about this series or even Comic books, but I wanted to say that even from an outsiders pov, who only saw 3 of your videos out of curiosity, this is a well put together show, keep up your good work.

[@KajiRider1997]

Its creepy to think that nowadays that hand is revealed to be Doctor Manhattan's hand.

[@patricklyons794]

KajiRider1997 When in this story, if the Anti-Moniter had got his way, it would have been HIS hand. Extended into a giant 🖕.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Funny enough, I heard there was one comic that hinted it was Supergirl's hand at the start of creation.

[@theblazingflareon830]

Are we gonna talk about the time Franklin Richards created a mini universe inside his rubber ball that held a bunch of heroes that were presumed dead next?

[@demoniclaserdude4266]

The Onslaught Saga! I'd like to see that, too.

[@johnnygyro2295]

I've never read The Onslaught Saga and Heroes Reborn. But they sound like quite the trip...

[@JaelinBezel]

Dude Franklin Richards is, like, five years old.

[@L1701]

And it led to the greatest comic book run of all time, in my opinion: Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s Avengers.

[@adamgrunther1367]

I am so excited for 2019. Finally we will be getting a live action adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earths!

[@hyrinshratu]

Crisis on Infinite Earths was my very first encounter with comic books. My local library had a hardcover omnibus copy of it, and I remember being amazed at it.

[@paulieswalnut]

3:23 Anyone else here in March of 2020 and get a chill at that joke?

[@Girintina]

After this year I'm pretty sure it's going to give a lot of people chills for years to come.

[@lucasgibbs4050]

Past, Present and Future unexpectedly starting to collide?! Still makes better sense than agreeing to make Superman 4.

[@chasecole6794]

Stories like this, about several dozen worlds and timelines. About thousands of heroes coming together, that's something I love. It may sound rather silly, but this kinda idea is one I always dream of making come true. To create dozens of stories, characters, and worlds. And attempt to then make a big story that can reach the same level of amazement as Crisis on Infinite Earths. That is a goal and reality I would want to make come true, no matter how impossible it sounds to some. I'm 19 years old and have a lot of ideas in this head. I want to tell all of them, then bring them together to star in a ginormous event on the same level as this story. Like I said, rather silly. But a guy can dream. ^ ^''

[@callianr6980]

Go for it. 18 year old with big stories in my head, too. I intend to tell them.

[@cameronedwards4893]

Callian r maybe one day you guys can crossover

[@callianr6980]

@@cameronedwards4893 Who knows?

[@stormwolf3252]

27:00 - "Future stories feferencing Crisis on Inf..." Feferencing? _What does that even mean?_

[@AT4W]

It means I made a typo.

[@sonofadentist]

You know I am glad that you reviewed Dino Charge before this, otherwise you would have missed such a wonderful opertunity.

[@KidSnivy69]

Sometimes the universe allows certain awrsome things to just happen.

[@jessaminehaak8253]

I really love that Titans Tower just has those big glamour pinups of all the members on the wall XD

[@Justin_North]

You owe me a red bull for that nostalgia critic joke bro, my whole desk is soaked.

[@ingonyama70]

"Nothing you dream of..." ... O.O HOLY CRAP. I mean, it's terribly written and every sentence ends in an exclamation point...literally every one...but HOLY CRAP. I'M HAPPY :D

[@redjirachi1]

This makes me want a Crisis event for AT4W

[@shmee123ful]

John Porteous happened already in his ultimate warrior reviews/ the end of the lost beast aka missing number saga

[@redjirachi1]

There was no crossover with a parallel universe however. I want Linkara to visit Mechakara's universe

[@georgemiser]

The Linkara of Earth X comes from a world where due to major technological advancements, the internet was made in the 1930s and due to an increase in writing standards and shared ideas from that as a result, comics are considered as they are today for all ages and the Justice Society and Invaders are the ones who get all the events, development, cartoons movies and so forth. Sadly, the enemy is communist russia rather than fascist germany.

[@caseygibson7266]

Don't even get me started on Earth 29's Linkara. That one's just a comic book who reviews online critics. Or the Earth 38 Linkara who's just a lamp.

[@TheAwesomeHyperon]

stephenbronx950 And the constant lasers didn't help either. (The joke is referencing the first post Linkara made on tumblr)

[@alexandermeinhardt4727]

Oh my gosh, I just realized something! The villains going back in time to stop the creation of the multiverse, a mission from which there will be no return? THEY'RE THE SUICIDE SQUAD!

[@trans8010]

17:38 Missed "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!" opportunity there.

[@AT4W]

...Damn, that WOULD have been good.

[@benjaminkellog7311]

I didn't get super into DC until after I discovered Batman the Animated Series and became curious about some of the characters on the show. "Crisis" was one of the first DC books I read during this formative period, and I had enormous fun with it. The art was fantastic, the story an epic yet ultimately simple "good vs. evil" battle to end all battles, and the idea of all these characters gathering together for a great big hootenanny of a giant SF war was a real treat to a kid who had only ever dipped his toes into superhero tales via "Essential Fantastic Four." (Shouldn't Galactus' first appearance be considered an "event?") Even better, I now had a whole heap of classic characters and stories to catch up with, which I have been doing with the "Showcase Presents" line, a never-ending supply of adventure and heroism that makes the original "Crisis" even more colossal in my mind. And yes, that Alex Ross cover sold me instantly on the whole concept from minute one!

[@PKinter13]

17:25 The earth is missing? What if... a piece of the world is missing?

[@Unquestionable]

This was the first comic I read in a serious attempt to get into the medium and it pretty much came about by accident. I was big into DnD and MtG back in the mid 90s, my parents would always grab me the newest issue of InQuest (the CCG monthly book) and one time they accidentally picked up a copy of Wizard. Being like 13 and willing to read damn near anything put in front of me I consumed it cover to cover and was specifically interested in the announcement of this version of the trade and how important it was to comic history. A few months later grabbed a copy at the local bookstore and fell hard into the hobby. I might have slowed down over the years but I still revisit and absolutely adore the medium as a whole.

[@carlrood4457]

It's actually a little sad that the Titans and Legion couldn't have a bigger part in this due to the way they were being published at the time. For those who don't know, DC launched what they called a Prestige line, that would be sole only at comic book shops. They were printed on better paper and used more advance coloring methods. They relaunched The New Teen Titans and Legion of Superheroes in this format with new #1's. The existing titles, sold at newstands, supermarkets, etc. were not cancelled. They were retitled Tales of the Teen Titans and Tales of the Legion of Superheroes. They continued to print new material for 12 issues and then started reprinting the Prestige issues. This means that the comic that was most widely available and visible on racks beside Crisis on Infinite Earths was a year old story. There was no real way to cover Crisis in those books very well because one set of fans or the other would be left out. That's why in Crisis, Dick Grayson and Starfire leave Earth seemingly randomly and are not present for the final fight. Its mostly a shame for the Legion since they never really recovered from what Crisis did to its history since it was tied directly to Superboy. They've tried reinserting young Superman into the story, but their popularity never recovered and they keep getting rebooted.

[@eugenideddis]

Carl Rood Well, the New 52 version was certainly dead after The Culling, but D.C. is currently setting up for them to appear in Rebirth

[@sarafontanini7051]

I realised Infinite Crisis would've been interesting if PSYCHO PIRATE was one of, if not THE, big bad of Infinite Crisis. He remembers the events of the Crisis on Infinite Earths, he's driven mad by what he remembers AND his addiction to feeding on emotions, and he even briefly worked directly UNDER the Anti-Monitor himself, so I could see a way to finagle him being the big bad. Better than having him serve a minor role only to be killed off gruesomely.

[@ianmorris]

psycho pirate had a great story arc in grant morrison's animal man

[@SteveCrafts2k]

It's so funny hearing the Prime voice from a non-strawman Superboy Prime.

[@DalekTheSupreme]

Crisis on Infinite Earths was my first serious attempt to get into comics. It made me feel emotional for characters I had surface level knowledge of, and for characters I'd never seen before. It is the gold standard of event comics in my eyes.

[@PunkPimster]

As I remember, the Superboy that inspired the Legion of Superheroes was the one from a pocket universe created by a Legion villain (who turned out to be a Legion member from the future). Also, why does Killer Frost have the hots for Firestorm? Does she want to suck his life? Because last time I saw them before Crisis, she hated him.

[@AT4W]

It's explained in-story - the Psycho-Pirate alters her emotions to love so she can work with the group until he's taken by the Anti-Monitor.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

While Crisis on Infinite Earths has problems in terms of structure and a dated writing style, I think what it does best is celebrate what came before while paving the way for the future. Through it all, everyone in the DCU was an active agent, fighting against this grand threat to all of reality. It's why, despite still having never finished it, I can appreciate what it did. Compare that to Flashpoint... yeah, I'm still bitter!

[@L1701]

The big difference between them was that Crisis was always meant to be a big event, whereas Flashpoint was a Flash story that was forced into being an event.

[@AussieDragoon]

We're all dead? Damn, and I had plans this Weekend...

[@johnnygyro2295]

Awesome video. Alright, few things: 1. Supergirl and Flash's deaths were definitely tragic and makes me worried for their CW counterparts... 2. I actually don't mind Anti-Monitor's New 52 self. While it wasn't as good his original incarnation, it *did* expand on New God lore. 3. I'm kind of disappointed Kimiyo Hoshi (The Good Dr Light) hasn't had a bigger role in DC stories. She was given her powers by the Monitor for some reason. You'd think she'd be doing more stuff. 4. I hope you cover DC's Millennium for a future Event Comics Month, since it also doubles as the origin story for the New Guardians.

[@TnAdct1]

14:02 The part of the Crisis on Infinite Earths review that I was waiting for.

[@Simh86]

So when do we get Crisis of a Few Linkaras?

[@daelen.cclark]

Simh86 I think the title card is all we’ll get of it.

[@jfdrac]

Whenever Fat Grandma allows it

[@williammartel7843]

My only big complaint about this story is all the character death in the second half. Like the deaths of the Earth 3 characters, the Flash, and Supergirl are all great. But so many characters die unceremoniously in that final battle. I have a hard time seeing past it. Also people used to claim that Lord of the Rings or Watchmen was un-filmable? Holy crap they never read this! This book is too epic to even be turned into a DC DTV Animated movie! Thanks for the review as always. It was worth the wait :D

[@dragonsword8129]

Which is why they instead made a movie based on an unused two-parter for the Justice League animated series that was inspired by it (Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths).

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"The dude takes several fakeout deaths to the point where he's just a screaming, angry cloud--" All hail?

[@brentparker7359]

Alternate Luthor's son's name is Alexander. David Xanatos from "Gargoyles" is sometimes compared to Luthor, and his son's name was also Alexander.

[@goji3755]

I'm glad I recently took the time to read this story myself - it's a fantastic story and at this point is really the only blockbuster crossover event that I've really enjoyed so far (keeping in mind that my experience with massive crossovers is pretty limited and mostly includes the more recent stuff like Ultimatum and Flashpoint). Rebirth is next on my list, given I've heard some great things about it and I've already read some post-Rebirth material that I really like. I'm also really happy to see that DC is reaching back and re-publishing classic stories for many more of its characters - the Flash in particular, with Mark Waid's acclaimed run on Wally West currently being reprinted in a new series of TPBs. Given how Crisis on Infinite Earths is the story that sees Wally pick up the torch from Barry, it feels appropriate that I should check it out rather soon after having read this.

[@callianr6980]

I would suggest reading Dark Nights: Metal. It's a really epic story and has some good moments from several different characters. It's billed as a Batman-centric event, but he doesn't overshadow everyone else. Most notably Wonder Woman and Superman both get some good moments.

[@L1701]

Rebirth is not that great.

[@chaoticjusticezero]

I can't unsee the Anti-Monitor having skin instead of teeth.

[@AT4W]

Annoying, isn't it?

[@chaoticjusticezero]

Oh, definitely.

[@TheGoldenNeil]

Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Now I can't unsee teeth.

[@L1701]

I think those are lips. No way can those be teeth.

[@DruNature]

been watching so much of your content from a cpl years ago I cannot believe this is current wow!!! i feel so special to be part of this as its going on! i love youtube!

[@northdakotagamer]

I wish they had left at least one of the ‘redundant’ Earth 2 characters alive. I would have loved to have seen what a Robin that lived through World War 2 and no one remembers or the daughter of a dead and gone Bruce Wayne would have done in the reformed world.

[@Kirbyfan87827]

Wait, so you're telling me that for once, this ISN'T Decade's fault?

[@PantheonLincoln]

Well it ain't no Golgom plot, I know that much!

[@SuperWolsey]

+Benjamin Thomas Or Foundation X too

[@doggosho3044]

No it's always decade's fault

[@juniorjunior4087]

Oh Come one decade was dealing with swartz fusing all of reality that cancelled the anti matter but was destroying realty Because The Anti monitor is still pissed he decides to destroy it while it's merging And Now I've Forget Why I've Written This

[@FanOfMostEverything]

An exquisite presentation of a pillar of comic history, even if I couldn't help but nitpick something. :P Thank you for this.

[@andriygriffin4782]

I can't wait for next week....my all time fav!

[@dutchah91]

Linkara in 2017: "And this is why hand sanitizer is so important" Me in 2020: Heh...

[@DigiRangerScott]

1:53 SO THE LEGENDS OF TOMORROW DID THIS!

[@rjb1216]

This was ongoing when I was just being aware of comics so of course I was confused. I still recall seeing Issue 8 with the flash in a store somewhere. The tie ins were crazy I've tried to read them all but it's hard. The big mistake D.C. made was rebooting all the books after crisis slowly. Superman was not rebooted by johb Byrne till months later making the stories that appeared after crisis pointles. No one knew what was and wasn't canon. I think this what they tried not to repeat with the new 52 but even that was botched.

[@MosestheDark]

Great video! Seeing as "Crisis on infinite earths", "Infinite crisis" and "Final crisis" comprise a sort of "Crisis trilogy", it almost feels like the events should be reversed chronologically. The stakes in final crisis are so small when compared to the stakes in crisis on infinite earths.

[@AT4W]

Ehhhh, Final Crisis is SUPPOSED to be the entire multiverse and then some again, but it's just not presented well enough to GIVE that grandiosity that it's going for.

[@Djinsin]

Currently in The CW's Arrowverse, there are 5 established universes with recognizable characters. What say you that within the next seven years, the Arrowverse gains more universes and they give they're own take on Crisis on Infinite Earths? I'll even throw out the hope of bringing in Smallville and…omg The CW shows are the only live action DC shows right now that actually embrace superheroes, aren't they?

[@shmee123ful]

Djinsin well there is daredevil, Jessica jones, Luke cage, ugg iron frist, defenders, punisher and I think agents of shield is still going. And it's not like the Cw shows are a gold standard by any degree. Gothem is terrible really I watch a few episodes and heat of rage that came off me was nearly enough to burn my house to ashes. flash gets more and more annoying the longer it goes. After sessions 3&4 Arrow is turning itself around. I still in joy super girl I just wish it was less political. And legends of tomorrow is like arrow in that it's starting to get better but it's still has issues with sussing out a working team dimeatic as it can't seem to make the interactions between the characters seem organic. At lest it doesn't feel the need to remind it's watchers that Sara lance is lesbian every episode only every few episodes with is progress. It at lest for the moment seems to understand better than the frist season if you want to make a character likeable or memorable they have to be more than just their race or sexuality

[@Megamanlanprime]

Actually My Hero Academia handles heroes better then the CW shows right now IMO. One of the purposes of the show is asking what makes a hero? And more importantly, it’s already a world that’s so full of heroes that you really do need to find a way to stand above the rest in a unique way.

[@Drakespawn85]

Sooo... fast forward a year and a half from this review and The Flash dropped a pretty big hint that yes, the much derided CW shows apparently ARE planning to do Crisis somewhere down the line and not treat the "Red Skies Crisis" as a mere easteregg anymore. (I just hope we don't actually have to wait until 2024 for it to happen) And this is while there's rumors of a complete reboot of the big-budget DCEU on the horizon. Let me reiterate: The low budget TV-shows at this point have an actual chance to do their own Infinity-War-scale crossover event, while the movies barely got the Justice League together before everything fell apart (and the latter are rumored to start the reboot with a *villain movie*, just to show off how they didn't understand what went wrong the first time). Can everyone finally understand why people like me, despite all its obvious flaws, still prefer the Arrowverse to the DCEU?

[@SithLordMalco]

@@shmee123ful Well they are doing it

[@johnnygyro2295]

*Your wish has been granted!*

[@JJtheSNKKid]

A true classic in crossover comics and comics in general; I actually have all twelve issues of the original max-series.

[@angstromlevy7963]

I love Superboy Prime but man I love your pisstakes of him.

[@DeathofInk]

I resent what the New 52 did to the Anti-Monitor. His name is not Mobius dammit!!

[@michaeliv284]

I watched pt 2 of the animated movie, and this comment is kinda funny

[@L1701]

8:17 I think Pariah meant he could not take everyone with him all at once. Only one at a time. Also, he likely just discovered his ability to take people off a dying Earth when he grabbed Lady Quark. It wasn’t like he could test this skill out and see what he could do.

[@Solitaire001]

It is likely that Lady Quark's powers allowed her to travel with Pariah. In the novelization of "Crisis..." they mention that Pariah has tried to save people but each time he disappears the person he tries to save remains behind, doomed to die.

[@rileygagnon6917]

I'm not a comic book person so this made absolutely no sense at all but this was still entertaining 😂

[@L1701]

I the feeling that Lady Quark was the one intended to sacrifice herself fighting the Anti-Monitor instead of Supergirl. Think about it, she lost her family and world, and had nothing left. t would make sense for her to make that sacrifice, as there was no place for her on the remaining Earths. I would not be surprised if editorial told Marv to change it to Supergirl dying.

[@johnnygyro2295]

I'm more surprised that Dr Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) didn't have a bigger role. You'd think the Anti-Monitor giving her superpowers would've been a big deal.

[@L1701]

John Morgan It was teased in the Justice League’s book, but she pulled a Hulk and quit after a couple of issues.

[@jfdrac]

@@johnnygyro2295 Ehh Its funny she did set up the precedent of Big event creating all sorts of New characters....that are either never seen again or just become more people you only pull out when you need to kill someone off

[@jojoreztorc0396]

The Babylonians had The Epic of Gilgamesh The Greeks had The Iliad and The Oddessey The Romans had the Aenead The Renaissance had Shakespeare And we have Crisis on Infinite Earths!

[@user-bn2oi1fd8l]

General Garrison Alan Moore laughed somewhere

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

27:02 "Feferencing." Nice. XD

[@thejimg]

Power Girl was a pretty big left over and her ever changing origin... According to Marv Wolfman somewhere in Crisis there apparently showed a way to bring back Barry Allen... I still miss the pre-Crisis Huntress and Robin of Earth 2...

[@AussieDragoon]

The thing with the Legion of Super-Heroes is that at this point they operate independently of the DC universe, because when they tried reacting to universe shaping events it didn't work out for anyone. Basically after this the Legion kept on keeping on, but Superboy and Supergirl were replaced retroactively with suspiciously similar substitutes, they they were rebooted fully after zero hour. Then they were rebooted a second time for reasons I do not know before the Legion of Three Worlds event brought back the original legion which is who we have now (even after the new 52 reboot) so based on that they dawnstar in this and in the culling should be the same person...The legion is a mess.