Neglectful DM Shuns And Replaces Player

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[@CritCrab]

Reviewing this story OP gives off some odd vibes. Doesn't feel all the way right. Thoughts?

[@valivali8104]

Hard to say. OP did admit when they did something wrong, and there are people who defend assholes and abusers, so other players could defend GM because his position of power/being friends with GM/etc. So OP may be honest, may be untrustworthy, or may be honest in some parts but untrustworthy in other parts - we don't know.

[@grootyoda7759]

OP seems to be a bit impatient and overbearing (source: I'm very similar to OP, can relate to a bunch) but not intentionally. To me, OP was misinformed about the type of game they were getting in to, and seemed ignored by the GM, but somehow it feels op did something wrong but I can't find it.

[@JohnC20938]

Would be nice to have the other players and dm side. I could be wrong, but Op seems to have an ego and get annoyed easily. Hint beign defending themselves by claiming to be an ass for the greater good instead of trying to communicate respectfully, this probably aggravate most situations.

[@eggmug562]

Yeah a bit. Seems a bit all over the place. Have you thought people have been making up or exaggerating so they can be read by you?

[@eggmug562]

Cause just like the last one, the end bits sound like they came from r that happened.

[@wokfriedshrimp3531]

Don’t trust OP here at all. Between making custom gun swords, making their characters sexuality a plot point to the point of changing entire encounters, and just generally complaining to the GM every other session, this feels like an experience from the perspective of the problem player and handled poorly by the GM rather than a legitimate horror story

[@trevorweisberg8470]

I kinda got that feeling when OP, the new player at the time, told the group to change their schedule to accommodate them. That said, feels like a case of That Guys all around. The summoner thing especially infuriates me, since an overpowered summoner/eidolon combo in pathfinder is a tale as old as time.

[@paradox4576]

@@trevorweisberg8470 yeah when I run session with my friends, I try to encourage people to make a more predominantly non combat eidolon, as I have had several very creative players make cool creations, and it runs much better than a statstick combat brute. Not that it doesn't have its place, but its fun for both the player and the DM if the eidolon is assisting the summoner, not the other way around

[@trevorweisberg8470]

@@paradox4576 I'm not that good at making OP summoners myself so I try to go thematic. A tiny fairy synthesis summoner that rides around in a human-sized gundam as their eidolon being my favorite so far.

[@carlallen6073]

Isn't not being attracted to the form of an incubus or succubus supposed to be a baked in rule in Pathfinder?

[@servantofwriting2814]

Sounds like RWBY to me

[@phabiorules]

Something that hurts OPs credibility is that he claims the main reason samurai joined was to spend time with him, but he stayed in the game even after OP left.

[@lollyjollyflapjacks6078]

Oh I didn’t even think of that. That’s such a good catch.

[@summonersriftgarbage4426]

Can we talk about the fact that his “best friend” did not take the time to earn op about the scheduled sessions? I mean why wouldn’t he?

[@mrosskne]

not necessarily. if he found the game fun there's no reason he wouldn't have stuck around. not to mention making a Pathfinder character is a significant investment.

[@kapitan19969838]

​@@mrosskneExactly, seems like people overlooked that

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

I think the fact that he said him killing npcs was a sign of sociopathic behavior is enough proof of his "credibility"...

[@cjhale2772]

I got the impression that the group just didn't like OP and wanted them to leave the game but didn't want to outright confront him. The rest of the group seemed fine with how the game was being played.

[@VayaKahvi]

I already have enough problems with my anxiety telling me I'm not good enough or what ever, especially when trying to make new friends, I don't need my anxiety to be actually correct one something, so please, please, if someone is not a good fit for a group for what ever reason, just be clear and upfront about it, you don't have to be rude, a simple "I don't think this is working" is fine.

[@cronadojo8385]

@@VayaKahvi I think they were very clear. They did not invite them to any more sessions, which is all they should have to do, but it seemed they kept showing up due to information from the samurai friend. Them inserting themselves when they shouldn’t have is not the groups fault

[@bertcornelissen6294]

@@cronadojo8385 That is not being clear. Being clear is saying "We think you're not a good fit for this group." And not just planning around him and not saying anything when he does show up.

[@BlueTressym]

@@cronadojo8385 that's not being clear, it's being too cowardly to do the decent thing and talk to the player. It is the group's fault and OP isn't inserting themselves when they shouldn't have' if no one in the group has the decency or the spine to say something that makes it clear. People aren't mind readers and treating someone badly until they quit rather than say "Hey, OP, we're all happy with the way things are but it doesn't seem to suit your tastes so maybe this isn't the right group for you," is an AH move.

[@aggroblu9753]

@@cronadojo8385 “inserting themselves when they shouldn’t have” they were literally invited in the first place. They also repeatedly asked the dm about scheduling issues and never once did the dm say anything along the lines of “this isn’t working out, we don’t really want you joining anymore”. People aren’t mind-readers. Beating around the bust isn’t being clear. If you think it’s clear, rethink that. Communication is so important in every aspect of your life so just refusing to tell someone something straight up and hoping they’ll figure it out when you won’t even tell them what’s up when directly asked is an absolutely terrible way to deal with things. Not to mention that’s just straight up rude to stop inviting someone to stuff with 0 explanation, especially when directly asked about it. Don’t be a coward and don’t be an ass.

[@CrateringGod]

7:36 No, OP, the succubus is using Charm Person. It doesn't matter if you find her hot or not - it's a mind-affecting spell and you have to roll to save against it!

[@vivusthevivusthing6182]

Even if they're just trying to seduce you without a spell, they're a demon of desire, it's STILL magic. They might have a penalty (or in path two, lose a bonus) but they can still do it.

[@cheeto.burrito]

@@vivusthevivusthing6182 As the forever DM, I would just rule that a succubus can shapeshift and/or summon garlic bread. Nobody can resist garlic bread.

[@napoleontheclown]

@@cheeto.burrito A vampire can resist garlic bread.

[@NeoZhinzo]

​@@napoleontheclown no they can't. just because it kills them doesn't mean they won't eat it.

[@ayumikuro3768]

@@NeoZhinzo Well, the fun thing is: It doesn't even kill them in DnD, unless they are allergic to it.

[@adambeckett8394]

Like a lot of commenters here, I'm getting real "things that didn't happen" vibes from this story. It starts with the DM being a bit on the lacklustre side, and escalates to the DM being a lying, gaslighting, sadistic sociopath... all in neat little packages, as if OP "just remembered" the extra and more extreme examples.

[@CompressionPolice]

I get the impression that OP's complaint messages were super long and drawn out and that's why the GM didn't read them.

[@arellajardin8188]

I like how he claims to try again by outlining his complaints into paragraphs to be easier to read, like it’s an essay. I shudder at the wall of text his original message to the DM, it must have been.

[@ChaosCounseling]

I got that same vibe from this too.

[@joesmutz9287]

And if they were all as pedantic as the ones listed, I can see why that GM snapped the way he did

[@slagarcrue85]

I think the gm just stupid lazy rude selfish and doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself. I’d never play dd I don’t want to deal with any of political and ethical drama crap attached to it. War craft even worse the whole ork thing a few years back was just dumb. Thanks for making such a shitty remake of Warcraft 3 that was such a smart decision on which ever of brain dead companies own war craft that might be blizzard.

[@quazarthemad]

just like his post

[@Kaminkaese]

OP tried to charm us, rolled a NAT1, and will be known as "that guy"

[@ulvemann43]

This story really smells of "OP is leaving most of the details out". It also has the classic case where at the end of the story the OP just starts throwing bad thing after bad thing in a long list of "And the DM also did this, and that, oh and he was a player of mine, but i didn't mention that before, oh and he did this and that too!". That does set off some red flags to me, because that sort of listing at the end of a story often feels like the OP is making up a bunch of points to strengthen their position after realizing that the story does not make them sound like the best person. Additionally, it is clear that everyone else than Samurai enjoyed what was going on and had no issues with it, so honestly it feels like OP is similar to Manchild, in that they join a game, expect it to run a certain way, maybe try to constantly butt in and force it to go a certain way, then gets upset when it does not. Only difference is, in this case it is OP writing the story, and they can write it as one sided as they want. It honestly may just be the case that after voicing their complaints, the DM had asked the rest about it, heard that most preferred the current game's style, then likely told the OP that most of the party enjoyed it, and OP just couldn't handle the fact that this game was played similarly. I reckon that the DM's actual responses were likely more like "i did check with other people to hear their preferences, and honestly the rest of the party enjoys and prefers how things are right now. i'm sorry, but i won't change the way i run things to be more like one player wants, while making it less like the majority of the party wants, that's just unfair". I also heavily doubt that the DM told OP they were a side character, or hid sessions from them, and i also heavily doubt the breakdown they supposedly had.

[@arellajardin8188]

I got that impression, too. How he suddenly remembered all these other things to just pile on at the end, sounded desperate to color the DM as bad as possible, after the main story actually makes the OP seem like he was at the wrong table and causing trouble for everyone else.

[@jakerockznoodles]

If everyone but one or two people in a group are enjoying themselves, you just have to wonder if this is the right group for you. I believe he at one point describes the DM as capable of being pretty timid, and this is likely why the "are you sure this game is the right one for you" talk wasn't had early on. This sort of conversation is uncomfortable but sometimes necessary.

[@lukas8708]

I have a mixed feelings about that one. Also, please forgive my grammar, english is not my primary language. I also had a GM who made me a side character. This may sound like a fairy tale, but he was simping to a girl in our party, made every plot hook about her, even turning a blind eye when she was trying to take a piece of loot behind our party back. God, she was pissed when my 26 passive perception spot it, but I kept quiet and confronted her in character when we were in private. Made "secret" sessions behind my back and I was disoriented when thrown in a middle of combat or in a faraway place with little knowledge what happened. Furthermore, when my character perma died, I was forced to make a lvl 1 character (in a 18-20 lvl party). When I argued that would work in Warhammer or WoD, but not in D&D he made everyone roll a lvl 1 character "as a punishment for my insolence". Understandably, I was gradually more and more pissed off, but I stayed in both campaign and in character, taking one blow after another (like one time I turned into a dire wolf in a wild and from that moment whole world knew how I look like, what my name was and the fact that I was a druid) just to look how far he will go in his attempts to throw me out without him looking like a bad guy. In the end, when we all stood before final boss, a shadow dragon... the party let him go without a fight to freely roam in the world and I, in character, called it quits. Never had a gm like him before or after that miserable campaign. Ending? I've lost touch with gm and most of the party. Years later I met that girl in a different mini-campaign and we've had a lots of fun playing together without biased GM. And In the end she was married to a different guy :D

[@ZorotheGallade]

It also seems he's strawmanning the GM, going with "I made a completely logical and deep argument and he just shot me down without understanding any of it, ugh, really annoying right?"

[@28Decimo]

@@lukas8708 that’s a lot more common, the whole simping thing. This story has some inconsistencies which show some issues, especially the early talking over each other argument.

[@deathracoffee]

I feel like no one is talking about the GM not informing OP about sessions and saying he is a side character. I bet OP is problematic, but I do not think he is the only one. The GM clearly cannot communicate well that he doesn't want OP in his session. He tortures him instead. But that wouldn't happen if OP would leave the group, since the others clearly wanted that type of game. I believe they both are sucky to each other.

[@129das]

The Group was bullying the OP it seems to me, It wasn't just the GM but the whole group was not. The red flags at the end are more frustration, the ones at the start are this is how I run my game, if anything not clearly explained. I do feel the GM is more at fault for letting the situation go on rather then dealing with it.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

The GM stopped inviting OP to his sessions - that should be the clue. The only reason he kept turning up was because his Samurai friend was leaking him info.

[@deathracoffee]

@@GoldenSunAlexYou are right, it is a clue. OP didn't get the clue and GM still didn't tell him off.

[@thesun5275]

@@GoldenSunAlex h m Maybe be an adult and tell a player that you dont want them at the table anymore instead of doing this childish silent treatment shut them.out high school bullshit

[@Calebgoblin]

@@129das the GM literally stopped inviting OP and they kept coming anyway

[@nokowinsidence9854]

I'm always shocked how long people will stick out the experience with people. "So we didn't get along at all and I was being completely ignored and overall not having fun...so anyway 2 years later I called it quits."

[@arellajardin8188]

I’m guessing from the DM’s perspective, the OP is his “that guy”. Constantly complaining, constantly flaking on sessions (I understand he has health issues, but from the DM’s perspective, he joined an existing gaming schedule, then asked for that schedule to be changed for him). From the DM’s side of things, he probably only kept the OP around because they were (supposedly) friends and he needed another body in the sessions. Also, notice the shift in descriptions? The OP starts out saying the game sounds great how the DM does things, and when he gets into an argument over mics being turned on, the DM is “timid.” Yet by the end, the DM is a sadistic a-hole who cackles gleefully at messing with people? The mic thing especially is sus, since it really wasn’t the OP’s place to pick a fight with another frustrated player. The DM was willing to go “Oops” and try to keep things moving, but OP grinded everything to a halt to try and force the other guy to admit there was a mic problem. Like he was saying, “we’re not moving on until you say I’m Right and you’re Wrong!” And this, after only being with the group a short while. Yeah, it doesn’t sound like my kind of game either, but the OP is like the opposite world version of their That Guy. They were having fun, then he storms in and constantly nags them for changes.

[@jakethegreatest473]

Sounds like a reasonable excuse for gatekeeping

[@gersomvanslooten9456]

Frankly, if that's the case then the GM should have communicated that clearly with OP, but he kept Op guessing without providing clarification.

[@sirkae5322]

@@gersomvanslooten9456 To be fair if a fella was willing to fight with another player for his mic and such not working then yeah I'd be unsettled to say anything

[@BobSmith-ld3of]

My thoughts exactly, Karen type player.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@sirkae5322 Anybody else here not read the fact that the person "OP called out for their mic" was literally bitching and moaning about not being answered when they _literally had no input from their mic and would act all offended nobody heard them_ It seems to be that way. Maybe read the whole story instead of just going partways through, cherry-pick what you think makes the OP a total giga-asshole and ignore anything that balances it out.

[@ZorotheGallade]

"I didn't have to roll a will save because I wasn't interested in the Succubus" ...bruh, this is Pathfinder. Succubi have Charm SPELLS. Finding them attractive only helps them control you, but doesn't make you immune to their magic if you aren't.

[@PerfectionHunter]

I was thinking the exact same thing. As soon as this came up i immediately paused and looked it up (just to make sure), and sure enough, it's a spell so it doesn't matter what OPs character is attracted to. This is where i begun to suspect OP was the actual problem in this story.

[@Trickpants]

I don't know any DnD rules, never played a session and even I thought "Wait wouldn't they have magic that charms you?".

[@paradox4576]

@@Trickpants yeah in pathfinder its definitely magic, there may be a small bonus based on the situation but as far as combat goes it definitely a will save

[@ORIGINALFBI]

Maybe OP is gay?

[@ZorotheGallade]

​@@ORIGINALFBI As already said it's a spell that, per the spell description, forces you to treat the caster as a trusted ally. No matter whether your character can be sexually attracted to her or not, the spell still messes with your mind to the point you are compelled to take her side.

[@metademetra]

So the things I see: -Talking over the DM -Judging him because he's new and thinking he knows better than the DM -Being incredibly vague about what his lists of complaints were. -Needing to proofread them because his first draft "came off the wrong way." -having an op anime weapon that got nerfed -ignoring spellchecks because he arbitrarily decides to not be attracted to a succubus -Literally nobody else has any problems at the table. I have a sneaking suspicion that when OP claimed "The DM told me that I was just a side character," what the DM ACTUALLY said was "You aren't the main character."

[@valor555]

I am going to be frank, i honestly believe OP is telling a very biased version of the story. And i know the exact point the other players in the game were done with OP. Op joined a game that was already in progress and was in its groove. Unfortunately Op has health issues that make them unreliable to play, which i believe and that sucks, BUT the rest of the group had been playing twice a week for a while now and here comes OP wanting to change that schedule without asking the rest of the group. OP just said it to the GM who probably brought it up to the group and they decided they still wanted to follow what they had been doing which they are totally in their rights to. and given how OP had admitted to responding in other situations I really really doubt OP handled it well at all and is now trying to play the victim instead of just stepping away from the game that obviously wasn't a fit for them.

[@postomnis6134]

It should have been the responsibility of the GM the to tell OP that they couldn’t change the schedule, instead of not communicating at all

[@theslayer7134]

Id agree with you with all of this comment asides from the dm lack of communication. also asides from the outside stuff the dm in play doesn't seem fair the under leveling and the summon is so bull and confusing imo

[@SlayerPDX]

Or the people really were just pricks? Why is it you people believe every made up story about racism and any other istophobe in the book from blue hairs playing dnd but when it comes to a story where a player is legitimately shit on you don't want to believe that? Probably one of the few true stories here.

[@SlayerPDX]

​@theslayer7134 dm was an asshole but because it's not a whiney blue hair they don't want to believe the story

[@theslayer7134]

@@SlayerPDX I think racism is bad

[@asilnorahc8910]

With all the dubious and sus things in this story, I wouldn't be surprised if the sentence "you're just a side character" was actually something around the line of "you're not the main character" that has been misinterpreted. Or GM just fumbled with their words IDK. Seems plausible considering OP sonds to be the That Guy of this group.

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[@TheGigaBruce]

The OP is absolutely the problem in this story. Their introduction about "a favorite character of mine" and their paragraph about expecting things from their GM tells me one thing very clearly: They have been kicked from tons of games early and often because they are a twat.

[@thatguymatt5816]

Yup. It sounds like they had a set group that enjoyed the kind of game they had, then OP joins and immediately gets into fights, complains, doesn’t make it to multiple games and expects everyone to bend to his will. I see right through this story

[@Elaan021]

If I'm running a game and a player tells me their PC is one they've played before or is "a favorite", I tell them to play something else. The times I (or another DM I know) haven't, it's been bad news. Unless you're doing something like Adventurer's League, your PC needs to be one that fits and is tied into the campaign, not one you try and shoe horn in. It's one thing to bring back a PC that died super early in a different game because you never got to play them (or a campaign that ended super early). But, "I play this wisecracking dude in all games" just...no.

[@benjohnson819]

I generally agree, but I also tend to DM for a fairly static group of around 10 friends, very close, and if I’m in Forgotten Realms (my preferred setting), I like the tie ins. Definitely wouldn’t allow it for an acquaintance.

[@bendoid156]

On the reddit post the OP even admits they joined this party after a previously frustrating experience. Likely caused by them.

[@rynowatcher]

I get the feeling that this is a horror story from a "that guy." The rest of the party is on board with the play style and the op is trying to triangulate with the Samurai. The op also starts off saying how he got into an argument with another player because he would not let them talk, then interrupts them when they are explaining why and how that happened for op to set the record straight. I also consider it unreasonable to call a session because one player cannot make it; even the gm being out the rest of my group will do a one shot or a board game. That makes the game about you if no one can play if you are not there. Pro tip: if they schedule a session and do not tell you about it, they do not want you there. comment on pathfinder: Summoner have always been kind of broken. The GM is balancing it around the rules.... nature of the beast there. PF also puts a focus on high static bonuses so situations like difficulty jumping the river for low dex characters come up... also nature of the beast; it plays different than 5e. You can jump across, tie a rope across and have them sit on a plank while you drag them... overcoming situations like this qualify as the puzzle he was looking for in my book.

[@KagemaruHitokiri]

Pro tip on the pro tip: passive-aggressive tricky shit like changing session times without warning always looks bad. If this is just an "I did nothing wrong" That Guy--which, there's enough inconsistency for that to be the case--then we're still looking at a GM who didn't actually try to kick the player from the group. Unless this GM comes out and says "actually I did, but they kept showing up so that's why we changed schedules," I'm stuck with the impression that the GM was genuinely new to things and just hadn't developed to the point of knowing when to tell a bad player to leave the table.

[@rynowatcher]

@@KagemaruHitokiri oh, sure. Passive to the max, but you also do not win awards for being up front with a jerk. He goes over how he fought with gm and other players regularly throughout this story so I can see a newer gm just not wanting to start another fight. You do not owe anyone an explanation, justification, or closure if it ain't working out. It is a game, not a marriage. I would have been more direct so he did not keep showing up to annoy everyone else in the game, but this is like dodging someone who annoys you if you see them at a part level of social foul.

[@KagemaruHitokiri]

@@rynowatcher except this isn't a party with a large guest list, or a family gathering that includes whichever embarrassing relative you'd rather pretend isn't there. It's a close social gathering with less than 10 people who planned for this event. If I invited some high school classmates to hang out and shoot hoops for a day, and one of them starts intentionally popping the ball every couple of weeks, no one is going to think I'm crazy for not inviting them after the third replacement ball

[@Jermbot15]

Cancelling for attendance, at least in my experience, really boils down to how many players you have. I run a group of 4 in a heavily story focused campaign that meets once every two weeks. Players rarely miss but if anyone has to, we postpone to the next week. If I were running a module with 6 players, yeah we'd probably keep going if we were down one or two.

[@rynowatcher]

@@Jermbot15 sure, it is also different if you are running a story heavy game where it does not make sense retaking the druids Grove without the druid player there, but that obviously was not the case as the rest of the party moved on without him and did not seem to care he was gone. Comes off a bit selfish if your argument is you have fun without me.

[@djn6962]

“After frustrations from another campaign…” was a bit of a red flag, as was him being a bit too critical of “new DMs”… I think when someone continues to have issues no matter what table they play at… they might be the issue… Edit: After hearing more of the story, I’m leaning toward the OP being bias, dishonest, and possibly hyperbolic. Seems the other players were enjoying the game just fine, while OP’s suggestions and criticisms weren’t being taken as it was likely in a very commanding and overbearing tone. I get this from OPs wording and explanations… seems like a lot of problem people I’ve had to deal with before.

[@kaylawoodbury2308]

Plus Samurai seems fake, not long after he confronts dm about his grievances during the game and everyone defended dm suddenly ops long time bestie joins and completely agrees with everything op says... I call bs.

[@djn6962]

@@kaylawoodbury2308 that’s possible, could also just be OPs “yes man” either way, OP doesn’t come off well.

[@thelonleyUchiha1]

And even if he wasn’t being hyperbolic and just trying to give constructive critisim…your not entitled to be listened to no matter what the criticism is…after the first time when the dm just brushed him off he should have just caught on to stop but he didn’t

[@Calebgoblin]

I'm glad I'm not the only one catching those vibes right off the onset. I feel like they're just difficult to get along with

[@Mooke_Maykr]

Idk, I feel when the gm does things like one shoting the party or making one pc the be all end all, the argument that the rest of the party liked it is basically saying "they love to feel insignificant and useless"

[@Calebgoblin]

Honestly I have been getting the feeling throughout the story that OP just doesn't realize how difficult to get along with they might be

[@Calebgoblin]

Yeah by the end of the story it really just seems like OP is an obtuse person lacking in self-awareness. Not every game has to be your way, dude

[@kapitan19969838]

​@@CalebgoblinAre You two ignoring everything said in this story on purpose?

[@SirLuckySlime]

@@kapitan19969838 We have a tendency to be more biased towards the one telling the story, so I won't blame you if you didn't catch it. OP wants to change the way they play to better suit _their idea_ of what it should be while not taking into account what _the players_ want. Even when it's made explicitly clear that everyone else is fine with how it is, OP insists it should be different. Instead of just leaving the game that doesn't suit them or conceding, they just continue to berate the GM he's sick of it. Not to mention, instead of looking for a game that fits their medical needs, they join one that doesn't and expect everyone to be willing to accommodate. The game was already going and they already had a schedule, but OP tries to impose their needs onto everyone else without even talking about it with anyone other than the GM. It's no wonder that they started to organize without them. There's a lot of minor red flags throughout this post, but the main issue is OP expecting everyone else to bend over backwards to what they want without considering the feelings of others.

[@Roadvoice]

That story looks eerily similar to my own and I can tell, at least in my case, it was not the GMs fault. Me and my samurai friend has totally diferent expectations and the rest of the group was having a blast. Me and my friend had no other tables to play and ended traped in a game that frustrated us to the core. Because of that, we came to be harmful to the table and the GM (who is my best friend to this day) was forced to kick us. No one have hard feelings about it today, and I learned that, sometimes, it isnt anyones fault. Sometimes, the table you are in isnt meant to be for you...

[@MrOdrzut]

I was a DM in a similar situation. I had 5 players and 1 of them disliked my DM-ing style. Noone's fault, we tried to make it work for 2 sessions and he left after it became clear it won't change (I'm not very good with descriptions and the campaign main focus was on conspiracies and espionage between 3 kingdoms, 1 player wanted more traditional, epic fantasy with good, detailed descriptions).

[@SunDry_Marchy]

Cold take: you're at lesser fault then DM, but the situation happened because of your negligence

[@blazaybla22]

I think this is probably the best way to see it

[@VillagerJeff]

OP doesn't sound very reliable here. Refers to GM (which OP called the DM because they apparently didnt learn the system fully while criticizing others for exactly that) as new but has also suggested that the GM has been running this group from level 1 to 5 at least. That's months of GMing right there. Complained briefly about the DM from a previous DnD campaign suggesting a recurring problem. OP uses Samurai as a tool to show that someone else obviously agrees with OP but Samurai's actions don't seem to match what OP says Samurai is saying to OP. Also OP claims they don't want to play multiple nights a week then later mentions running their own game. I'd bet money OP is the actual problem here.

[@arellajardin8188]

Oh, I didn’t catch that! Too sick to play, but ok enough to maintain his own game. But the other DM is supposed to cut his schedule for him?

[@wednes3day]

Though, unless completely out of context, a comment calling them a side character is kinda hard to reason with? So possibly an everyone sucks?

[@VillagerJeff]

@@wednes3day that or the unreliability involves lying.

[@HadsDoesReplays]

@@wednes3day Some people came be impossible to reason with, I suspect the group was trying to ghost the OP as others have said, this is really bad form, but that guy kept turning up. Eventually the DM had enough with the constant bickering and snapped, then let their true feelings be known. The DM should have just politely kicked the player out of the group by saying something like 'I don't think you are a good fit for the type of game we are running and after discussing with the other players we would like it if you found another game to play' But unfortunately some people are scared of confrontation.

[@benjohnson819]

I’ll cal myself DM to my grave. We were DMs before the GM plague arrived, and we’ll be DMs after you’re gone!

[@simonbrosseau1783]

People that describe themselves as not afraid to being the ass, or the ''I just tell it as it is'', usually use that ''personality trait'' as justification and excuse to being an asshole, even when they are wrong. That was my first redflag from OP

[@dr3dg352]

"I tell it like it is" is too common of a saying in my family. :/

[@simonbrosseau1783]

@@dr3dg352 I am happy it’s not the case for me, I’ve had to meet people that are like that. If they were honest, at best, they could say "I tell it as I SEE it". Being blunt and disrespectful doesn’t make you right.

''I just tell it as it is'' aka "I'm a big AH and want the entire world to know it"

[@Knuckles2761]

Most one-sided story on this channel so far. OP is a freaking paladin irl, everything is perfect about him, he is right in every situation.

[@taylorlee7154]

Imo it feels like OP is leaving things out of the story to make it seem like the DM is 100% to blame. I feel like other things happened that we aren't told that led up to the end. Maybe I'm wrong idk but it feels like we don't have the whole story.

[@Knuckles2761]

@@taylorlee7154 exactly.

[@kaylawoodbury2308]

Idk ... Have you seen the Ross Saga? That one was... a doozy. Such a doozy that by the end of it Crab apologized for it and took a break from horror stories to do glory stories to get the bad taste out of everyones mouths.

[@Knuckles2761]

@@kaylawoodbury2308 Ross Saga was not told from Ross' point of view. So even if Ross Saga was one-sided (and I don't think it was), it does not matter because storyteller didn't portrait himself as a perfect being.

[@kaylawoodbury2308]

@@Knuckles2761 It was very one sided and like this story, told solely through ops perspective. Where he started off "Oh yeah I'm such a good guy, Ross was my friend. He's not a bad guy just a little odd" in the first episode and then by the third in the five part saga, devolved into complete vitriol and whining about every slight indiscretion Ross supposedly committed. This story op feels almost the exact same as the Ross Saga op.

[@zenithas4785]

7:39 Stepping in for a moment; I keep seeing "wouldn't be interested in the succubus/incubus". It doesn't work like that. It's a supernatural effect, it'd be like That Guy saying "I don't have to make a saving throw against that fear spell, because I'm not afraid of wizards". The succubus isn't "enticing you", it's outright mind controlling you. Roll for save unless you're resistant to charm. Edit: According to both 1e and 2e SRDs, succubi have only one ability that relies on attraction: the 2e succubus' aura, which imposes a -2 penalty to checks and saves against them. The only Will saves that are called for are the innate spells of Charm and Suggestion, which it can cast at will, and Dominate, none of which rely on attraction. So, OP is That Guy here.

[@Em0srawk]

It is how it works in Pathfinder 2e. Their charm ability specifically requires that you _could be sexually attracted to them_ to account for a player character's differing sexualities. They don't get along with aces very well...

[@vivusthevivusthing6182]

@@Em0srawk I used one last week, my dude it says the get a BONUS if you could be sexually attracted to them. "Seductive Presence (aura, charm, emotion, mental) 10 feet. Any creature in the aura that could be sexually attracted to a succubus takes a -2 circumstance penalty to checks and DCs to oppose the succubus’s mental spells, Deception, and Diplomacy." This is the only passage in the entry to talk about sexual attraction. They can still charm anyone, they're just better (or I suppose you're worse at resisting) if you find the demon hot.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

The only one who wouldn't be affected by a succubus/incubus at all in terms of the charm effect of their Energy Drain is a level 17 paladin due to Aura of Righteousness giving them flat immunity to compulsion effects and spells. And by then, a paladin would be able to solo the succubus anyway since succubi are only CR 7.

[@xFlareLeon]

@@Em0srawk What do they have against fighter pilots?

[@greatazuredragon]

It always baffles me how long some people stay at games that are bad for them. If something like that happened to me I would be out after the second sesion.

[@silvermagpie1071]

Well, nobody who does that really has any story to post, so most horror stories will have people stay

[@tarotsushima3332]

@@silvermagpie1071 Yeah, the whole trainwreck effect really helps with making people stay at such horrid conditions just to see if it can get any worse.

[@greatazuredragon]

@@silvermagpie1071 A very good point.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

After the second session, the sunk cost fallacy starts kicking in.

[@cammy1349]

For me I stayed with a group of sexist losers because I’m used to minimizing my feelings to keep the peace, aka I’m a people pleaser lol. They liked me a lot and thought I was super fun, and I felt bad that I didn’t like them back as much and was bored most of the time I was playing. The thing that made me leave was actually that I had invited my afab friend, and they treated them like shit bc their character wasn’t a meek little peacekeeper like mine. They talked down to her, calling her “darlin” and “sweetheart,” among other things. So I said fuck that, but I was polite even when I left, even though the DM threw a tantrum saying I was the “glue” of the group and that he was never going to play DnD again because he was so upset that it always went wrong. Even now I still feel a little bad talking about it like this, but every time I’ve mentioned it to people they’ve been like, “yeah no that’s messed up.” Lol

[@Jermbot15]

By the OP's own admission this DM was responsive to every other player's feedback and willing to work gaming nights around their schedules. By the OP's own admission the majority of the table disagreed with him completely about his criticisms. By the OP's own admission the only other player who kind of agreed with him is still playing months after he left. By the OP's own admission that player's character has survived and obtained enough experience to go from being a level 2 character in a minimum level 5 party, to only being 1 level behind in this meat grinder of a campaign. This group did not want the OP at that table. I don't know why they didn't, I don't know why they didn't just outright tell him or uninvite him from the game. I'm not really sure it matters, if you're not welcome at the table, it's not going to be a good game for you.

[@Draeckon]

Sounds like the DM and other players were too scared of just telling him he wasn't wanted, so they tried the ghosting strategy instead. That honestly pisses me off more than whatever incompatibility occurred between the OP and the rest of the group that led to it. Just say it. Just. Say. It. I flocking hate this kind of passive aggressive BS.

[@morgannolan3183]

@@Draeckon I think the reason they might not have is because of ops “I’ll be the asshole if I need to” nature combined with his ability to wear people down over time. Honestly he just seems like the kind of person you CANT confront because he’ll never understand why, so they ghosted him. Maybe they could’ve been clearer, but I doubt op would have gone away without a fight.

[@waydweaver7596]

@@Draeckon OP was literally messaging the DM regularly to complain/try to change an established game. The group was probaby going for a "non confrontational" approach because of that, mixed with him literally getting verbally aggressive to a person at the table who was just trying to speak.

[@korsoredeemed4893]

@@morgannolan3183 That isn't an actual reason. All you need is to say it once. Beyond that point, it's on them. But if you can't even be bothered to lay things out clearly and say it once. You are entirely in the wrong on this one. Lack of communication and passive aggressivity is the epitome of shit behaviour in most social interactions. Be clear, or suffer the consequences of your poor communication skills. The OP may be in the wrong for a lot of things, but not for staying and ruining it for the others. That's on the GM and the other players, for saying nothing.

[@Sandstimes]

@@morgannolan3183 these types of people need a direct confrontation more than any other type tho. Subtlety doesn't work on someone who is not subtle. As the person above said, you need to clearly state your intentions at least once, else at least part of the blame is on you. It's unfair to assume everyone can read your actions/intentions clearly, a lot of ppl struggle with social cues

[@NopeNaw]

Many, *many,* red flags on this one. We are predisposed to giving the OPs the benefit of the doubt in these stories, but in this one the OP comes across as the That Guy of the group, leaving out key parts of the story that would betray their That Guy nature. "After frustrations from another campaign" If you're leaving a campaign due to "frustrations" and the next campaign also has "frustrations", the common denominator is *you.* Red flag. "Please note that I don't mind new GMs, but I would rather know beforehand so I know what to expect *(that being errors)* " It's almost unnecessary to say you don't mind new GMs. The vast majority of players encourage new GMs, so if you feel you have to start by saying you don't mind new GMs, it kinda hints towards the opposite. Errors are going to happen regardless of how experienced the GM is. Getting to "know before hand, to know what to expect" sounds like you're seeking an excuse to *find* errors. "... I had Discord and the Roll20 window minimized so I could tell if my ever-so-slowly dying headset was picking everything up and watch Roll20 at the same time." This honestly makes no sense at all. Watching Roll20 with the window minimized is a feat to be sure. Almost like it's impossible and OP isn't telling the truth. Hmmm. "Admittedly, I didn't handle the situation well *(and I take full responsibility for that)* " Such humbleness. Such... self-gratifying swill. Yes, owning up to your mistakes is important, but the whole "take responsibility" bit is just OP going on a "I'm such a good guy" binge. For the reader, it means nothing. "... I'm not afraid to be the aess..." If you're being an aess, even in someone's defence, you're still being an aess. Skipping a whole bunch of the health bit. Most of it is vague mentions "conditions" and "due to health." Could be vague due to not wanting to put the information out there, but it doesn't lend much credibility to it either. I'll just say that I'm skeptical, and leave the health bit at that. "Having no interest in the succubus's chosen form" That's a BS move out and out. We know it's Pathfinder, so the one ability it can be (assuming PF1e) is Dominate Person, which is just a straight up spell. Red flag, OP's a cheater (so much for being an "error" watchdog). I'm gonna stop here, because a) comment is long enough, and b) the rest is mostly just OP going on about events in a *very* skewed way.

[@cheeto.burrito]

g o d, if it's Dominate Person, and not seduction, that's just a save. You can be Dominate Person'd by anything.

[@bucketts6148]

These are a lot of good points. Also, like another commenter said, the dm goes from timid at the start to ultra sadist

[@benjohnson819]

100% agreed. OP is self-diagnosed with anxiety or autism, thinks he’s a god DM, tried to backseat DM and acquaintance, got shunned, and is now bitching about it.

[@atk9989]

​@@bucketts6148 a person can be timid in a out of character situation and totally sadistic GM in game, power tripping is a very real thing. Also if the whole story revolves around a single summoner and their summon and the whole game scales around that is that not an issue for everyone except the main characters? And more so to not be super clear that yea she's the MC of this game? The OP said they were also a GM so I'd say it's pretty credible when they say the scaling was way off and the summoner was the litteral MC if it's summons stat boost was the whole crux of what made every combat not a wipe.

[@strangevol5264]

@@atk9989 nice argument, however, he was timid in the game.

[@nebbygetinthebag7263]

Something CritCrab missed but is HIGHLY important if you are playing pathfinder. Assuming that this is 1e, Summoner (even Unchained) is EXCESSIVELY broken. It's downright overpowered to the point where many GMs flat out ban playing this class and that's WITHOUT the Demigod.

[@zebraman1154]

Bruh... 15:29 "As tired as I was" might be your friend refusing to defend you because they know you're wrong, but not wanting to come at you about it. The moment the rest of the party came to the DM's defense, it's plenty obvious OP has either been a problem for a while, or was an absolute douchenozzle about this

[@gorgeouszan]

I think the OP is the bad guy here to be frank. Sounds like they joined a group that liked doing things one way and OP kept wanting things to change to suit themselves. Not to mention by his own admission that he can be an asshole with how he handled the let me talk situation but everything else is "non-hostile suggestions and valid criticisms" I get the feeling OP isn't being completely honest/telling the whole story.

[@nananakeson]

I don't think that he admitting that he has no problem of being the asshole when needed is a good argument to say that he was the bad guy in this situation but the rest I definitely agree with you

[@gorgeouszan]

@@nananakeson my statement about his needing to be an asshole in one instance but everything else he did he was supposedly just courteous and gave only valid criticism gives a conflicting impression. Does it mean he was? Not necessarily but it does force you to take every other instance with a grain of salt.

[@nananakeson]

@@gorgeouszan oh yeah he definitely is not being 100% honest here, he accuses the DM of not being able to assume that he's wrong but he basically does the same over the story

[@Skyte100]

Everybody sucks. Refusing to recap, forgetting to invite and not acknowledging his questions are just sucky things to do. Making the entire battle require you to rely on one guy sounds really boring for everyone thats not that guy. And double/triple crits is a good way to kill everyone.

[@zerothehero6100]

Even though this is supposed to be from OP's perspective, they're not doing a good job of making themselves look like the good guy. They just couldn't get it through their head that this game is perfectly fine, the group is enjoying it, and OP just didn't click with this kind of game. They sent gigantic rambling messages to the DM about what needs to improve, but since the DM didn't listen to them but did listen to the rest of the party, who apparently werent complaining like this, that kinda implies something, doesn't it? I think OP was in a perfectly fine game, albeit a niche one, and got mad that the game wouldn't change for them instead of trying to find a new game. Plus, the ending where they suddenly recount a lot of alleged incidents and went "I had a breakdown and they said I was a side character" reeks of panicked additions. Like, they realized that the post made them look whiny and in the wrong, so they tacked on some stuff to add to their side. If it happened, it wasn't as bad as described, and the DM's out of character cruelty with "You're just a side character" is almost definitely made up.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

Alternatively, with the whole summoner thing, they really were a side character. That's not a bad thing - campaigns revolving around one key player can work really well. From what I could tell, it seems to be some sort of 'chosen one and bodyguards' campaign. Not my personal taste, but as critcrab said, the rest of the party seemed to be enjoying it.

[@zerothehero6100]

@@GoldenSunAlex You know what, now that you say it, I bet "It's fine if you leave, you're just a side character" was actually "Since you're not the person the plot was built around, it hinges on you less". Honestly, the idea of playing a game with one VIP/living Macguffun or similar sounds fun, albeit I probably would never play that with strangers. That's on OP for not getting with the program.

[@mrquestion4746]

Hi, I was actually in this campaign. Pretty much all criticisms leveled at OP are justified and I'm not about to make excuses. However: Among all embellishments, the Astradaemon being a huge problem is 100%. All encounters were balanced around it and not the rest of the party and it would actually end up causing the party to fracture at a later date (The way I see it: The favoritism was always there, just not as blatant as it would get by the time I left). That being said I think with the exception of two players (The druid and the Sorcerer who would join in after OP left) we all would end up making asses of ourselves in one way or another and writing it out in full would sound like the summary to a bad soap opera. (Hind sight is 20/20 I guess) If you wanna know specifics just ask and I'll try to recall to the best of my ability seeing as this happened around 1.5 years ago.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

@@mrquestion4746 Specifics would be nice, yeah. You could also reply to CritCrabs post with the details so more readers could see it?

[@fluidwolf]

@@mrquestion4746 Honestly I could see that kind of thing working in some instances but it still feels kind of crappy to have a normally team focused game center around one person only with the entire rest of the team just there to be basically hype squad to the only character that matters. For story telling it just relegates you to NPC status which is really crappy and in battle if it is all centered around one person it can very easily destroy the fun of it since it just devolves into protecting the only one allowed to do anything.

[@reginarainer9740]

I want to know the GM’s and other players’ side of the story. A lot feels let out here, and from the Mic situation onwards it just gets worse and worse.

[@nickieBurke]

POV: you just started the video and you're seeing all the OP hate comments and think "damn the hell he do?"

[@Dreadsinner]

So the OP has health issues and can’t play twice a week. Understandable. But they then reveal that they’re running a campaign on the side that the GM is a player in and suddenly is a massive Sadist to killing people. Mentions nothing of they’re campaign. Alignment or otherwise. Also them being a side character is kinda apt when you join a game that’s in progress and you make your distain for the game known. By the way discord is kinda unreliable at times when it comes to mics. So I doubt Alot of this story. I mean notice how they had a gunblade but didn’t mention that till the end of the story

[@xunto.vorlov]

Tbh, OP required too much adjustment... and I can understand GM for not wanting to deal with it.

[@buxzw1945]

These stories are my favorites. The kind where everyone in the comments is against OP by the end of the video.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

The line "you're just side characters" makes the OP sound like Bakugou from MHA.

[@aniflowers1998]

Hm, kind of unsure about this one. Sure, the DM seems like he has some flaws with balancing stuff and relying information (the latter one beeing probably the most serious one), but somehow I don't really trust OP here. They sound like someone who...complains a lot. And people like that often exagerate and sometimes straight up lie to make themselfe feel better. Not saying OP is like that, but something about their writing leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[@Jermbot15]

About the DM's ability to balance encounters. He never mentions any characters dying and even goes on to talk about how the newest character went from being multiple levels behind to only being one level behind. For all the talk of how deadly the encounters are, this sounds like a pretty low lethality campaign.

[@redholm]

@@Jermbot15 I think that at least in the story the start at lvl 1 rule was after the Samurai joined. At least with how they told it. How much of it is how it actually happened is a different story.

[@abbeybelanger8118]

When I first started DMing online, I would always let people know that I'm new, and that if I make a mistake to tell me because I really wanted to learn as much as I could to improve my skills, knowledge, and story building as a DM.

[@cosmoniums5990]

I’ve played with a dm who treated players like side characters (literally in my case since our entire group bar one was adventurers in someone else’s story) and this is nothing like that even in the slightest.

[@blazaybla22]

Someone else said “you’re a side character” might have been more how OP interpreted something like “you’re not the main character” and that seemed like a solid point to me

[@mbr5742]

Hint: If the majority of the group has fun and you do not - YOU are the problem! YOU need to work on NOT being the problem. Or find a group that caters to your style

[@darwinjones2059]

"my prediction", my brother in Crabst, *you* picked the story.

[@Temperans]

OP feels like they were in an awful place IRL and was taking it out on the GM and the party. What really sold me on it is the description of combat. By the sound of it they are playing decently high level pathfinder which quickly devolves into a thing of who ever has the better buffs wins if not handled right which is incredibly hard. Then add in some high power creatures because fighting those are fun and you have a recipe for under power characters to feel left out. IF OP and his friend were playing flavorful characters with little optimization then yeah fights are going to be much tougher. Not to mention that Summoner is one of the strongest classes because it is effectively 2 player characters in one (although not as strong as CoDzilla.)

[@MisaSasekage]

If this was going on FOR MONTHS, why would you even stay for this long. I feel like this might be some weird fake story. I think OP flipped the story to make the DM look like the Joker.

[@ottokarl5427]

Wondering the same. Sorry, but if I miss multiple sessions because no one told me they are happening...how clear of a message do you need?

[@benjohnson819]

Similar thought after reading everyone’s comments-could be a brilliant copypasta/troll

[@benjohnson819]

I’m certainly triggered lol

[@kapitan19969838]

He stayed because he wanted to play D&D

[@Milenos]

Sorry but If you can't deal with all the session that the GM and the whole group want to have (2 per week thing), then maybe it would be better to find another campaign. The group is more important than the individual in that case. Because sure it sucks that you can't make it to every session, but why does a group of people need to be penalyzed because you want to stay in a game that you didnt seem to enjoy the GM anyway. OP seem to have a very self centered mindset in that one. ''if im not enjoying the game, then everyone probably is also not enjoying it'' And didnt bother to ask or confirm if the other player indeed didnt like it. And when one guy defend the GM, he brush it off himself too. Very hypocritical.

[@tiannacowan6999]

100% agree. OP left a sour taste in my mouth when they expected the others to change the campaign because of their personal issues. You know you deal with these issues at times and you still agreed to two days a week at the start. It's even normal for players to miss sessions at times. The group just rolls with it. Just ask what happened on the sessions you missed and continue forward. No biggie.

[@ottokarl5427]

Yeah, I felt that. I prefer to run one game a week, one of my players (and an amazing, life-long friend of mine) didn't like that, so he left the campaign - because everyone else was d'accord with it. No harm done, just didn't work out

[@lawrencelopez9839]

but... he can't make it every session because he wasn't even told when the sessions are. That's not fair. Though he should have taken the hint that he's unwanted.

[@gentlemandemon]

I'm willing to take OP's complaints on face value, but I'm sure there's details being left out. A the end of the day, this felt like the story of a person who's schedule was hard to work with (for legitimate reasons), a DM who chose to be passive aggressive instead of being open with their feelings, and how the two of them probably should've parted ways amicably when it became clear that they weren't a good fit for each other's play styles. side note: I can almost imagine fun a campaign where one person is hardboring a huge power and the rest are the sworn protectors for various reasons. Like if the one ring was legitimately a powerful weapon binded to frodo. that being said, that kind of 6-hour play sessions would make me wanna eat my dice.

[@rainbow_fox_]

I can relate a lot to the part where OP describes being left out of the sessions, not being told about meetups etc. I was part of a close friend group with 3 other people not too long ago and we'd have regular game nights, but they kept hanging out super late and refused to game at any other time and I was often too tired to play with them (I was in college and had to wake up early for some of my classes). eventually they wouldn't even invite me anymore and would just hang out without me more and more often. it's really shitty to be discarded like that by people who are supposed to be your best friends, and in a group you were supposed to be an established and recognized member in.

[@rileystar2245]

I can relate 2 ur experience in a way. I have my own D&D horror story in which I was kind of tossed aside by some1 I tht was my friend, but I've been scared 2 post it because I admittedly made some rlly stupid assumptions that contributed 2 the communication breakdown that occurred. It hurts when u find out that some1 u tht was ur friend doesn't actually care all that much.

[@Greil9]

Since everyone is already pointing out the OP seemingly being biased, I'll instead point that the double/triple crit rule is bullshit. Yea, both sides can do it. But if players get one, they kill one enemy who may not be that dangerous. If enemies do it, thats all character development down the drain.

[@fluidwolf]

My general rule of that in RPGs and the like is that sometimes player characters should get things only they are allowed to do. Things tend to be stacked against the player in RPGs to begin with so letting them have some boons every once in a while isn't exactly a huge issue most of the time. Where as an enemy just being allowed to chain crit a player means that player's whole character that may have months or years put into just poofs.

[@Nomadik]

The multi-crit rule is generally only meant for PCs.

[@paradox4576]

@@Nomadik I mean monsters have the rend rule to stand in for something very gory happening, which works well because it looks scarier than it often is (more mysterious dice rolling...)

[@jvstice56]

OP's That Guy, plain and simple. From arguing with another player to outright criticizing the DM over various things. How it ended sounds like a variation of Derangement Syndrome. He was getting information from his friend and still criticizes the DM for his DMing. Is the DM 100% in the right? Hardly, but I don't think the DM is the bad guy in this story, just on the other side of the fence.

[@DerpsWithWolves]

Oh no... A new DM who doesn't learn from their mistakes... We all start somewhere, and in the past I admit I even tried terrible things like Deus Ex Machina through npcs, giving the players *really* poorly balanced stuff, and so forth... But I also immediately realized it was terrible after doing so, and made sure not to repeat any such mistakes. Learning from how other people mess up DMing, as a player or from hearing about it (like watching Critcrab) works too, and if not for such things I wouldn't have been DMing one particular campaign for over a decade at this point. Having a post-session debrief with your players to talk about what they did and didn't enjoy is also really helpful. It's like a miniature reverse session-0, where you talk about how things were, rather than how they will do. I recommend it; especially with new games / groups.

[@xFlareLeon]

I ask my players for feedback constantly, and despite the horror stories about DMPCs they sure don't seem to mind having my paladin NPC as a permanent party member.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

Man I just love CritCrab's thumbnail choices, again & again! 🤣

[@Christian1999DK]

i actually got a story myself. i was actually in a fantasy club, where all sorts of things related to fantasy and rpgs happend. i was rather new to the whole setting and got invited to a groupe of people where they were about my age. with the DM being the dad of two of the players while the others were friends of the dm's sons. i came in and i kinda wanted to be a Wizard, a Geomancer to be exact, as it did go rather well for a fair few sessions just that one of the friends of the 2 players was so much a loot horder and bullied especialy my character who isen't much of a direct fighter for items that my character found and identified since he was the only character capable of doing things related to the arcane even if his character was a Warmage type of character. Now my character had rather bad items since whenever the party found things that was useful my character that hordeing warmage just claimed it could be sold for gold to power up his character even further and well i asked the Dm to help me with the situation since my character was constantly being threatend by a greedy warmage to constantly identify items and do arcane puzzle solveing to unlock magical item boxes that worked like magical rubix cubes for the loot inside. and well it all came to ahead when we in an underground dungeon with very deep pit with no visable bottom and with his warmage who could levitate but only for a few hours a day was out of said levitation and the bridge was destroyed due to him being a dimwit by using destructive magic. Luckly my character had become a very potent Geomancer to a point of being able to manipulate stone as if it was water and well my character created a Bridge of rocks so the party could cross. as i said i would cross first ensurein that the bridge would be safe and that the entire casam was slightly swarming with monsters that my character was not really that effective at fighting without colattoral damage to the part memebers (whice ive been threatend by them to not do some of my good geomantic powers). Now when i managed to cross and the other party memebers had crossed as well only the Battlemage was left who had been kinda glory hogging by killing the foes and then he crossed and i sorta just let the bridge crumble after some of the trolls that we were fighting slammed it's club into the bridge but i kinda just wanted to kill the battle/warmage, so i got my vengence as he died and my character was all the happier and actually got good items. not to mention while the others got abit mad at me for doing it on purpose, it was an in character moment plus my character was a dwarf and dwarves tend to carry long grudges and so this form of vengence was karma hitting that arrogant warmage who just on a daily basis had tormented this dwarf for what is in game an entire year and just have had it with being on a daily basis be threatend with death from him.

[@ijustdocomments6777]

LOL, I went from "Aw, poor OP" to "Oh DAYEM that's COLD!" reading this. 🤣 Life lesson: Don't trust the dwarf you've been bullying for a year with your life.

[@Lady_Ginnie]

This story seems odd. I feel like OP is either deliberately leaving things out/changing key facts, or simply legitimately does not see things from the DM's point of view. I'd love to hear the DM's side of the story, or the story from the perspective of the other players, because I'm betting that OP was a bit more "that guy" than he's letting on.

[@melliel2957]

Pretty late to this, but being someone who struggles in VCs to get a word in, I definitely sympathize with the player that felt he was being interrupted. It can be so damn difficult to try to get out what you want to say, when the windows of silence are a second at most. The player feeling like he was being cut off was probably him just timidly trying to get a word in, and if that is the case, being yelled at like that would have done a lot more harm than good for that player.

[@ijustdocomments6777]

He probably needed to turn on push-to-talk, then his light would've lit up when he WANTED to say something, regardless of whether sound came out or not.

[@c0rn651]

personally i think op is being whiney, he got mad when people shut him down for complaining, and most of this post seems to be less of a horror story and more of complaining about things they didnt like and im not sure this is factual and not super biased like of course nobody is telling you when sessions are when you complain constantly

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I don’t think the gm is perfect either. I feel like a lot of the problems would’ve been solved with better communication rather than arguing

[@thespicecorner]

As someone who only just started watching Game Of Thrones, seeing Joffrey in the thumbnail immediately triggered my fight or flight

[@Swan234]

As someone who never watched the last season I can honestly say im happier with the show than anyone that did watch it... 🤣🤣

[@robotmastercutman]

It's nice to have a regular horror story again. Thank you very much CritCrab!

[@ianhenderson9861]

Under leveling certain characters has worked in my experience. I recently played at a local games store which consisted of 4 members of an already established party, myself and two of my friends, and a couple that was brand new to dnd. The dm made the 2 new players level 2 and the rest of us were 16. The dm gave the couple each a magic amulet that would stabizle them at the beginning of their turns if they went down and teleport them back to their adventurers guild headquarters if they died. The dm really knew his stuff and the game didn’t feel unbalanced.

[@codegiver60]

While some of the DMs actions were lame af I don't feel like he is entirely in the wrong here. It's next to impossible to satisfy everyone at the table.

[@lilysnape6520]

I mean ... OP mentioned The DM did it for the first time. So it's reasonable that he maybe has flaws. But since it seems that only OP has a problem with it Also Pathfinder isn't DnD and OP mentioned he never did PF so that's also a point (some other comment nentioned that some flaws OP didn't like are literally part of the system and normal in PF

[@rossjohnstone4689]

The airship, the Centaur and the guy who can summon a demi-god. The holy trinity has been formed :3

[@Swan234]

I would have thought Craig would have been apart of the unholy trinity 🤣🤣

[@rossjohnstone4689]

@@Swan234 Craig is Joseph and Karen is Mary :3

[@arcanefusion8994]

honestly watching this as background noise right now to stressed out to focus on anything right now. honestly your voice is relaxing.

[@notusingmyname4791]

my gm is AWESOME.. he gives recaps even if we were all there last session, or sometimes he'll ask one or more of us to give recaps from our character perspectives.

[@killjoy2703]

Recently found this channel, and while I personally get upset from hearing some of these stories, I love listening to some and learning from them. As a fairly veteran DM, I like to keep learning about how to best play and run a game. I’m fairly new to the online D&D scene, and for lack of other places to ask, I figured here would be a good place to start. I want to get into playing and/or DMing again, but I don’t know where I would go to try to find groups to play with. Up until recently, I had played with friends and in a club I was part of in college. So if anyone is willing to point me in the right direction to look, at least, that would be greatly appreciated

[@looneypersoney]

Try searching a DnD server hub of your local area is a good start to get a group, yes you'll probably gonna get bad groups on the first couple of tries but you'll get the good group you want eventually

[@WladcaPodziemia]

Sending pages of criticism is not great idea adn rarely works, especially if it comes from soembody like OP - that already presented himself to OP as whinny and unhappy.

[@ZorotheGallade]

"Joke's on you, I'm a side character in my own life"

[@ratasvadum9315]

This is the first video I ever seen on KZbin that actually convinced me to click the link of their sponsor cuz it's actually useful something that I'm going to use thank you

[@BreadApologist]

Simple fix, if the group does not want him in the games tell him so directly and say he is out of the game / campaign. That seems like it could have really cut a great deal of this short and saved everyone involved much time and energy.

[@marvinhubregtse5776]

7:39 this feels like the god of seduction looks attractive to you player: no he doesnt like shut your munchkin ass up unless up until this point you made a deal out of saying your caracter is asexual or any suggestions/hints towards it atleast its magic/mechanic accept it and move on hate people like that. i am immune to boss main ability becaus "caracter trait i never mentiond roleplayed or alluded to nor will ever again" thats called crying becaus you failed the save if you do that you automatically count as haveing failed the save regardless of actual role if you ask me 8:30 wtf crit crib why would you do that. just quit the campaign

[@Rocksteady72a]

I swear CritCrab has the funniest comment interjections during stories out of all the DnDHorrorStory youtubers 😂

[@ahomestucker]

thanks for the idea! *unhinges my jaw and consumes dm screen whole*

[@michaelm8344]

Honestly, both OP and GM sound pretty unpleasant to be around. Life lesson: sometimes people are going to dismiss you when you think you shouldn't be dismissed (and you may even be right), and the fact that you're mad about it..or anything else...will be irrelevant to them. You're not that important to them. At that point you are responsible for your own happiness. Exit, stage left.

[@aoenwyr]

I don't know, OP sounds kind of exhausting. They seem to be offering a lot of "criticisms". Feedback is always important, but if you're always at someone sending them constant DM's, I can see how it's going to turn the relationship sour. OP should've taken a moment to consider what energy they were bringing to the group, when the majority of other members supported the DM

[@lilharm]

never expected CritCrab to go from fudging rolls to eating the dm screen in one sentence

[@thatguymatt5816]

Almost all of my games start with a little recap of the last session. I can’t imagine a game without one ESPECIALLY if someone missed the last session. What the hell man, some people don’t know how to people right

[@OgreKingMongrel]

OP is right about the no recaps for sure but with the rest of the people reacting maybe it just wasn't meant to be.

[@rabaneteist]

I'm confused about what OP calls out about double/triple crits. Unless I misunderstood what they mean, any monster that can use a weapon could very easily be using a 3x or 4x crit weapon which is very much a thing in Pathfinder and incredibly easy to find in the weapon entries.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

I think what they mean by that is if the creature gets another threat on a crit confirm, they can roll again to increase the modifier further?

[@snartle]

i love the mr krabs sound effect when you walk in and off screen

[@timothyunderwood8623]

Lol I love your intro, I always wanted to create a shadowrun chRachter named Helena Handbasket as a face/assassin.

[@trevorgerstin2490]

Gotta say, I don’t trust op at all here. Just from the outset of the story, there were a couple things that gave me pause. The whole splitting off from his original group for undisclosed reasons already made me think something was up, which was followed by him escalating a non-issue with another player to the point of telling them to shut up, then getting mad at the dm for not intervening. While I understand needing to miss sessions for health reasons, you can’t expect the group to change a schedule that has worked for everyone else in the group up to this point just for one person. His constant criticisms of how the dm is running things (criticisms that no one else at the table seems to share) also comes off as really patronizing. It all screams “new guy comes in and expects everything and everyone to adapt to their playstyle.” The last minute out of left field btw the dm was maybe a sadist doesn’t help his case, just comes off as an attempt to seem like less of a dick. The dm definitely could’ve handled things better here (you have to be at least willing to make adjustments for everyone in your group, especially in relation to health issues) but the dm is not the problem here.

[@rex74t]

“Eating his GM screen while making full eye contact” I laughed so hard at this

[@bendystrawz2832]

"It reminds me of the airship or the centaur stories." Oh man, the feelings that were invoked just from hearing that.

[@AmericanDivaa]

I, unfortunately, know about the airship. ^^; But... what the heck was the "centaur story"?

[@bendystrawz2832]

@@AmericanDivaa It's this one CritCrab did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGTWnJZphrt0obs A lovely DMNPC tale. I'm sorry to do this to you.

[@duolingo0552]

God I remember the airship story, that was a wild ride 😅

[@johnaeroglim1448]

Ill be honest, OP sounds awful and I feel bad for the DM having to deal with that player, sounded exhausting. Op sounded entitled and arrogant and this reeks of one sided story telling. I guarantee if anyone from that group were asked about this they would have a very revealing and different story to tell. OP actually sounds like a covert narcissist (look up the symptoms, it fits.)

[@Zenas521]

The DM/GM sounds like a Machiavellian and OP sounds like someone suffering from OCD. Not a good combo. As for the "mental brake down" thing, it sounds more like OP realized that they are not the center of the universe. Dun, Dun, Dunnnnnnn.

[@Zenas521]

He quit because he was a side character, or another way of putting it, not the main character. Oh snap!

[@Kuzka_]

​@@Zenas521 There can be more than one main character. And if the other players were main characters, while he was being treated like an NPC, then I can understand the frustration. That being said, I personally don't like vague "health problems" as excuse for ONLINE absence, because it usually means mental problems. And if you let someone with mental problems in your game, well, you're gonna have a bad time trying to avoid the vast minefield being placed before you.

[@shikitohno1756]

@@Kuzka_ eh, I have physical health issues a lot that cause severe migraines and breathing issues which makes even voice chatting difficult, so some games i have to leave early to lay down or go into a better ventilated room and relax my body. Granted if breathing issues or chronic pains were the problem you'd think hed mention it.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

@@Zenas521 If it's where OP is telling the truth about the summoner carrying the team every encounter because of encounter design (I find a lot of their story overall suspect) then I can understand OP's frustration due to importance being heaped onto one character/player while the others are relegated to bit parts. If it's for a specific character's personal arc if the GM does that sort of thing, it's more excusable, but otherwise, not so much.

[@Kuzka_]

@@shikitohno1756 Brother of my friend has often occuring migraines. We all knew it, so when he would play with us and a migraine hit, he could lay down, away from the game, and nobody complained about him abruptly joining or leaving. I understand that some people have problems that are a very big deal to them, but that's why sessions should be planned around that from the very beginning. Just so the other players could treat it more lightly and be less invested time-wise

[@gem_ck]

the one time I've seen underleveling worl was in dimension 20's crown of candy where emily and siobhans characters started lower than the others, but they also leveled up faster until everyone was at equal level.

[@Shanks612]

The mental image of our crowned crab climbing onto a DM screen and start eating it while keeping eye contact is just amazing.

[@domonichenning7262]

love listing to these while doing schoolwork and i hope to one day prevent such disasters at my table.

[@yaho5785]

Don't worry. Most disasters can be prevented or solved by just being mature, not being an asshole, and communicating properly with the party.

[@matthewsan8201]

Some people will think this is a trash take, but I'm sorry it's true. - If a player commits to a weekly D&D group to play in a module once a week and only show up for half the sessions; they made themselves the side character. -

[@LoraFantastory]

"A fully-loaded Problem Burrito" is a phrase I'm going to start using now.

[@vanapirarayne738]

Just discovered this channel and I'm really enjoying it. I have never played DnD, but I find it very interesting. The only reason that I don't play is because I don't think that I could handle it, I'm not the best at rpgs and I have a hard time with getting into it. My brother and his wife have played but I don't really like playing games with him, because he is one of those players that have to tell you everything in logical terms and for someone who's brain doesn't work like others that is not the best way to explain things. He once tried to teach me Magic before realizing that I didn't understand so he tried a few youtube Videos they worked but we haven't played since.

[@NoPersona]

Hi CritCrab! I hope everyone is feeling great today! How is everyone's day so far?

[@duncanschiff3193]

Good. How's yours?

[@HeroTV-Pod]

Pretty well!

[@NoPersona]

@@duncanschiff3193 well, thank you

[@CritCrab]

CRAB ‼️🦀‼️🦀

[@NoPersona]

@@CritCrab CRAB 🦀🦀🦀

[@maxeon0937]

Hello CritCrab. What is your opinion on the various different crabs in Elden Ring?

[@TheWheelman298]

There's no crab king boss/npc sadge.

[@maxeon0937]

@@TheWheelman298 That is indeed sad. Also quite surprising cosidering Miyazaki's love for crabs. You could technically consider Godwyn as king of the Deathblight crabs. But that's about it.

[@ursaursula5099]

OP’s description of summoner: dude, welcome to pathfinder

[@light-up-lonely-street]

This exactly sounds like it was a story of a “That Guy” from one of your previous videos 🤣

[@treasurebrotherz5586]

Love your videos

[@treasurebrotherz5586]

thanks for the heart crab king!

[@Succubus_L0li]

Everyone's first until the page refreshes 👍

[@thedootlord]

Yes

[@stard9864]

I love crit crb ,because he really looks at the situation and doesn’t always side with op. Sometimes I listen to these horror stories and op sounds pretty much unreasonable . Sometimes both people suck and you can only imagine what the other players are thinking.

[@vanerek]

Oh Crit Crab, Matthew Mercer channeled you perfectly last one shot