Critical Theory: A Disastrous, Unbiblical Worldview | Ep 275

[@Rvillaluz123]

I'm Hispanic and when I first heard the term "Black lives Matter" I found it offensive and thanks to my Biblical understanding I knew it's name was incendiary. I went to the BLM website and my suspicion was confirmed. My suggestion to my white brothers and sisters is to know your Bible; and absolutely don't get entangled in philosophical discussions which lead to divisions. Colossians 2:8 KJV - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

[@madmadigan1883]

On the Contrary, We are Warriors for Christ.. Your advise is sound for the spiritually immature, but for those of us on the frontlines of this battle, we must Armor ourselves with the Truth of Gods Word and do Battle both in the Spiritual and the natural.. Eph 6.. This Video is a perfect example of how to do that

[@TexasTarheel60]

@Nelson's Rudolph Why? This critical theory philosophy is damning to one's eternal soul. How does anything Trump says or does compare to a anti-christ philosophy that can send many to hell?

[@aaronwarner5492]

Nelson's Rudolph you’re going to need to back that statement up. Why is supporting Trump worse than embracing an openly satanic worldview?

[@IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975]

Excellent! Deep comment. Great scripture to back it up too 💜

[@dumebiokosa3138]

@KelMaster Construction I don't know why some people think that if you are a Christian and support trump; that means you are a terrible person. Presidents are not priests or religious leaders; they are positioned to perform civic and national duties that would work best for the nation. If Trump's policies work best for me and his policies are great for me, I will support him. Trump is actually better for Christians because he gives a lot of the platform to push their ideas or be heard. He is not a perfect man but who is perfect. His opponents are not strong enough and will adopt Marxist ideologies quickly. I want Trump to do more but he has been satisfactory for me.

[@quigleyd]

I am a pastor in a very progressive and social justice focused denomination. This is exactly what I am struggling with. The turn away from basic Christian theology is enormously troubling for me. I often feel like I am a man in the wilderness.

[@brianmclaughlin5846]

Remain faithful to our King Jesus big brother!

[@TheGodWalk]

I feel the same way and it’s desperately lonely. I pray for hours as the worst thing that could happen is to split from the church I’ve been in most of my life.

[@pebblepod30]

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[@anthonydefr]

I wouldn't turn away from your faith. Theses theology are cult like and very misleading and work's from Satan at lease for me.

[@quigleyd]

@hi there they did not take over my position. In the UCC the local church has full autonomy. There is no authority in the denomination that dictates how we worship or what I preach. As long as the local body is pleased with me all is well. My angst comes from conference and national leaders who tow this very progressive line of theology and social justice.

[@cho943]

Need more Christian voices like Neil Shenvi. Glad he came on and shared.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

[@LindaCanida]

Timothy Lane, why are you quoting an anti-Christian philosopher. Is this another example of using a redefined term (or in this case a phrase) to confuse the discussion.

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@LindaCanida, I'm quoting Voltaire because he was correct about human nature on this subject. We saw it in Germany. We see it in China. We are even seeing it in the US (Bernie Bros are actually saying they want to send Christians to reeducation camps. Where they will accept transgender and homosexual lifestyle as normal, or they will be put to death). Is there no wisdom to be found outside of the church? Do we throw out everything Socrates said because he was not Christian? What about Benjamin Franklin? Do we throw him out too? These people never found salvation. That's sad. But does their failure to understand God mean that we should ignore what they understood about human nature? Was Voltaire correct about this one line?

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@SD4FR1J13GL C5HD1GF, Interesting. My reply is missing. Did it get censored? Or, was someone unable to debate against actual facts, so they just reported it? I'll try it again. Absurd claim: There is no God. Mao Zedong: 45 million people murdered Joseph Stalin: 20 million people murdered 1940's German dude, we can't mention on KZbin: 6 million people murdered Pol Pot: 2 million people murdered All avowed atheists. 73 million people murdered by Atheism. Nothing in Christian history even comes close to this. There were three wars of independence from Islam. After they invaded our land, killed our men, and did bad things to our women. There were even some atrocities committed during those wars. But nothing even in the ballpark of what Atheism has done. I saved this this time, just in case it accidentally gets deleted again.

[@LtDeadeye]

@SD4FR1J13GL C5HD1GF Less than 7% of all wars have been caused by religion and less than 2% of all people killed in wars. Ref: Encyclopedia of Wars by Phillips and Axelrod "...In their recently published book, "Encyclopedia of Wars," authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War I alone. History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely, if ever, based on religion. These wars were for territorial conquest, to control borders, secure trade routes, or respond to an internal challenge to political authority. In fact, the ancient conquerors, whether Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, or Roman, openly welcomed the religious beliefs of those they conquered, and often added the new gods to their own pantheon. Medieval and Renaissance wars were also typically about control and wealth as city-states vied for power, often with the support, but rarely instigation, of the Church. And the Mongol Asian rampage, which is thought to have killed nearly 30 million people, had no religious component whatsoever. Most modern wars, including the Napoleonic Campaign, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War, World War I, the Russia Revolution, World War II, and the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam, were not religious in nature or cause. While religious groups have been specifically targeted (most notably in World War II), to claim that religion was the cause is to blame the victim and to misunderstand the perpetrators' motives, which were nationalistic and ethnic, not religious. Similarly, the vast numbers of genocides (those killed in ethic cleanses, purges, etc. that are not connected to a declared war) are not based on religion. It's estimated that over 160 million civilians were killed in genocides in the 20th century alone, with nearly 100 million killed by the Communist states of USSR and China. While some claim that Communism itself is a "state religion" -- because it has an absolute dictator whose word is law and a "holy book" of unchallenged rules -- such a claim simply equates "religion" with the human desire for power, conformance, and control, making any distinctions with other human institutions meaningless. - Huffpost

[@Concetta20]

Even an atheist can get it right sometimes.

[@Deanna974]

I ABSOLUTELY love this. A lot of these points give voice to what I've felt for a while as a black woman, especially what he says around 35:00 about being black and conservative, having experienced racism, but at the same time, not complaining about "microaggressions" or perceived slights. This is so great!

[@criticalfreedomnow4701]

Bless you. You must be strong smart and brave!

[@fh1980ram]

That devil is a clever being. Praise the Lord he's already defeated.

[@Ferndalien]

Satan will take many down with him as his lies spread.

[@LeonardGarden]

Thanks for kicking this door to the temple down. I wasn't aware that 'critical theory' went back so far! Great historical perspective. So many vices have entered the gospel in the last 150 years! You gave us perspective on all of the other terms used too. Again, thank you for the tools to disassemble these false perspectives in the church with reason! "For the weapons of our warfare ...have divine power to destroy strongholds... arguments and every lofty opinion against the knowledge of God and take every thought captive to obey Christ." (2 Cor. 10:4,5)

[@read_old_books4351]

With ALL respect. At 1:00:27, Shenvi says that we need to "dialogue" in the Chruch. That is EXACTLY the playbook that they want. That's how we got here. It's always, "Well...we just need to talk about it a little bit more." A quick study of the fall of mainline denominations in the last century should be enough to reject that playbook. There is absolutely no Biblical precedent or command to dialogue with evil. In the strongest Greek words possible, Paul tells the Galatian Church that if anyone brings "another gospel" - even an angel of light - that the Church should rightly agree with what God has declared; that another gospel leaves you damned to hell. What we do in accordance with Scripture is to be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger. We trust all things. Believe all things. Hope all things. Then, we necessarily correct, restore, rebuke and exort those among us spreading the lies (Mt. 18:15-21, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Thess. 5:14). If they persist in error, we kick them out of the Church. We recognize as 1 Cor. 5 teaches us that restorative discipline is to remove evil from the Bride of Christ. As a matter of fact, no discipline = no sonship (Heb. 12). The Church that refuses to remove cancer cannot witness to a cancer-ridden world. The Bride should follow the Biblical command to "remove the evil from among you" and "be Holy as your Father in Heaven is Holy." It's time for the Church to repent of her disobedience to God's commands of discipline. Maybe if we repent, then we will have a prophetic voice in the culture. We don't dialogue with evil. We take dominion over it by the power of the indwelling Spirit (Gal. 2:20). Many blessings for those like these two trying to fight the good fight of purity and Truth. P.S. "Diversity" doesn't naturally result in a better understanding of a text by itself. In fact the best way to understand a text is to ask the author. Rationally "One person" is definitionally the opposite of diversity. Now, if we mean that we test the theologian's word against Scripture without regard to ethnicity (race is a made-up term unless you're talking about humans), culture, or skin color, then yes, that demonstrates the diversity of the Church Invisible. Truth is Truth.

[@lisa942]

Voddie Baucham's message called "Ethnic Gnosticism" would be a great follow up to this podcast. A great book to follow up with is "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele

[@monicadickens5887]

Excellent suggestions! 👍🏿

[@meghoughton562]

@Nelson's Rudolph I don't understand why you would say that. If you would, please explain.

[@markm2092]

@Nelson's Rudolph Vodie is black

[@endless3cho]

That guy is a troll.

[@brandonhartgraves5095]

Love brother Voddie

[@jeannettemcg]

When the church gets sucked into this and follows the culture, we are toast.

[@William-Tyndale]

It's happening

[@vendradi]

@@William-Tyndale Yep. But praise be to God for deliverance.

[@William-Tyndale]

@AnarchoRepublican what's up with your name lol

[@shairston1]

Critical theory opposes power structures. It has become a power structure itself. Therefore critical theory opposes itself.

[@philmccutchen8177]

The "Seeker Friendly/Seeker Sensitive, movement has defined how the church has been doing cultural engagement. SF & SS has its virtue when it's based on truly giving up our rights to make our church about us and the humility to make the church about world around us. In SF/.SS's pathological form it becomes a marketing strategy such as the way Starbucks, Bank of America and others respond to social issues. In other words ever social outcry becomes a wave we must harmonize our message with to continue growing. Ultimately the Christian faith will be counter culture and if we don't understand we will completely lose our distinction as the messengers of the Kingdom of God.

[@Rvillaluz123]

SF/SS churches are not Biblical. The apostles never asked people their desire but preached repentance. Jesus never taught a people based on how they were going to feel. The SF/SS churches have a form godliness; a form of glory with no cross, no power - it Never was and never will be the real thing. A good example of the real thing is the Asusa St revival with a one eyed preacher called William Seymour, or the Welsh Revival with Evans Roberts- liquor stores went broke with this move of God. Lastly, there's always a remnant. What did they preach? Matthew 7:21 KJV - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[@stephengreen2898]

This Kingdom of God is CERTAINLY future.... Christ IS NOT ruling this earth now.... This Kingdom propoganda/thinking adds to this CONFUSION... AND this is a really good post.... I appreciate this interview so much...

[@plousia]

Amen!

[@digitalnomad9985]

"ever social outcry becomes a wave we must harmonize our message with to continue growing." And not only is this contrary to the mission of the Church, IT DOESN'T WORK!! Nobody is ever converted to this sort of "christianity" from outside the church. As C. S. Lewis observed of similar "churches" in his day, they are exclusively halfway houses for those who are LEAVING the Church not ENTERING.

[@nicoletucker11]

I loved the last bit of this and how he spoke about biracial marriages. I'm married to a half indian and have 2 soon to be 3 beautiful children with him. I used to be able to say that my children have never been touched by racism but this summer my daughter was made fun of because of her skin tone. I love the fact that you both acknowledged the hurt that is there and how that is a horrible thing that happened. But also acknowledged the correct act of following the bible and the wrong act of following the lies that society would want us to follow. I ended up telling her that God had made her perfect just the way she was and that He and daddy and me think that she is beautiful from the inside out.

[@dumebiokosa3138]

@USAFO6 You are right. People take too much offense these days. This has made men very weak.

[@anthonydefr]

I'm mixed as well and I know the feelings. But God made me for me and loves me just the way I am. Children can be mean and grow out of it. Now that I'm in my 40's I see alot less then I was younger.

[@MrsDanielleBrown]

I was telling my friend yesterday how I like your show bit never have time to listen to you. After the kids went to bed last night, instead of going to bed, I started watching your interview with Sey, then moved on to Vodie, and watched half of this before I had to go to sleep. I finished it just now, and almost need to watch all 3 videos again. I'm passing them on to all of my Christian friends and family. Thank you for taking the time to do such awesome and informative interviews. I appreciate you!

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@aimeekim5279]

So needed and much appreciated. Thank you Allie and Dr. Neil for having this in depth conversation. It's so apparent that satan is behind this as he is the prince of the power of the air, causing a spirit of division, oppression, and victimology. These things have sadly affected well meaning people who love the Lord, seeping into the church. Critical Theory is DIVISIVE period. We need wisdom from the Word to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Culture affecting our beliefs...no, our beliefs shape what we think of culture. I love what you both said at the end...take all those hurts and bad experiences to Jesus...HE is the Healer, our Redeemer, the true Just One who can make all things right in our lives. It is finished.

[@beaneater2152]

This is such a rich, valuable, grace-filled conversation. It's so important and so timely. Allie Beth and Neil's loving hearts and intellectual rigor are so beautifully combined here. This is very highly-recommended viewing. I wish this video had a hundred times as many views.

[@Deacondan240]

Agree. I’m sending links to everyone!

[@crisjunfan2139]

Neil Shenvi was a guest on the podcast Unbelievable which comes out of the UK. It’s a great listen, mainly because one of the other guests was an atheist, James Lindsay, and they were both basically on the same page regarding their evaluation of CT. When you have 2 such disparate worldviews recognizing the same patterns of thought and its accompanying dangers, you know you have a valid critique. This is a time Christians and secular thinkers can partner in combating this pernicious philosophy.

[@kudosministry4029]

I'm a pastor and E.D. of a start-up Christian discipleship ministry kudosministry.org . I'm immensely grateful for this interview and for Dr. Neil Shenvi's work in this important area. You helped me 'see' what I'm dealing with is a world view, not an objective, rational situation with facts and statistics. I some very real ways it is akin to progressive Christianity in which terms are morphed and personal experience is paramount to biblical doctrines. Definitions are all rewritten. This is the revelation I needed to be able discern in future conversations how to communicate. I need to watch this again.

[@paf2587]

This happened in my small group. Since the George Floyd protest they went on the white guilt trip and the church started pushing Anti- racism ideas. To the point where, I as a black women, was shut down because I said that this is a world view that is fundamentally illogical and patronizing to me. I’ve since left small group with two other members. We ended up building a stronger friendship and running our own small group.

[@dumebiokosa3138]

How difficult was it for you to tell the white people in your church that they are deceived?

[@paf2587]

Dumebi Okosa I didn’t use the word “deceived” per se; but said that it’s not clear that the George Floyd case was racially motivated, so the racism response (because anti racism is just racism) is poorly placed and heavy handed. The group-mostly overweight middle aged white women- did not want to hear what I had to say because I was saying the “wrong thing”. They only wanted to hear sob stories from black folk so that the savior complex can kick in.

[@dumebiokosa3138]

@@paf2587 Many of the white women are brainwashed early on due to living in a progressive environment, Marxist indoctrination at school, ego(savior complex), feminine nature of very high emotion etc. Some of these people have been told so many things from childhood about others and how they are responsible for the failure of others.some white liberals are manipulators while others are just brainwashed and manipulated. both Black and white kids are brainwashed in society but the brainwashing method is usually different for both groups. To stop the brainwashing for individuals of both groups is usually different, and there are some people, unfortunately, you cant help.

[@paf2587]

Dumebi Okosa yes it’s increasingly becoming a problem everywhere including the church, in this case a Catholic Church. The only way to dispel these ideas in peoples minds, is to stand firm in some grounded reality and not succumb to it.

[@plousia]

That's insane. I have realized they simply aren't interested in hearing opposing ideas, even if they come from the "right" identity group. It's not about diversity at all, it's about pushing an ideology, and if you aren't on board, you're not welcome.

[@CindyCristefany]

This basically teaching people to have a victim mentality as the core of their existence instead of Christ. This is sad and dangerous.

[@smorfnimda]

It's flat out rebellion against God and his ways.

[@cajocs]

This is so good. Be sure to listen all the way to the end.

[@davidanddiana7173]

I will probably listen twice! These two are an amazing team!

[@marydbaker]

Yes. Twice. The real conclusions are at the end.

[@jonathanhansen1222]

Great interview, a very fair and balanced analysis. Thanks for summarizing all of those theories & putting them into perspective. I agree that catapulting these theories into the mainstream has essentially turned them into a new religion, or perhaps a new manifestation of gnosticism that Christians should be very wary of and be ready to refute. As Christians, we must be willing to speak the truth in love, and never separate truth from love or vice versa. We must take every thought captive to Christ (2 Cor. 10:5). Keep up the good work! God bless

[@meghoughton562]

Can you please explain what you found to be "balanced" about it?

[@DarthBalsamic]

I myself am like this guy in many ways. I'm black myself and a Christian and also wanted to explore the intellectual and reasoning aspect of faith that I did not believe was mutually exclusive. I grew in the "black church", and much of what I had seen early on, as it turns out, which made me disinterested in Christ prior, was not rooted in scripture once I studied the bible myself. I noticed a drift long ago. This led me to study things like Critical Race Theory and Liberation Theology, which is really just modern day Marxism and a communist trojan horse. This stuff is destructive and pernicious. This stuff has creeped into the church big time.

[@ejackson6073]

Glad you see it too @Wendall. How do we turn this around?

[@pebblepod30]

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[@dumebiokosa3138]

@Wendell I am glad you saw it. I have black friends who I tell how Marxism has penetrated the church and society; they look at me like a loon. How do you talk to blacks about it

[@digitalnomad9985]

So the epistemology of Critical Theory is Bulverism: Quote from Bulverism by C. S. Lewis: You must show that a man is wrong before you start explaining why he is wrong. The modern method is to assume without discussion that he is wrong and then distract his attention from this (the only real issue) by busily explaining how he became so silly. In the course of the last fifteen years I have found this vice so common that I have had to invent a name for it. I call it "Bulverism". Some day I am going to write the biography of its imaginary inventor, Ezekiel Bulver, whose destiny was determined at the age of five when he heard his mother say to his father - who had been maintaining that two sides of a triangle were together greater than a third - "Oh you say that because you are a man." "At that moment", E. Bulver assures us, "there flashed across my opening mind the great truth that refutation is no necessary part of argument. Assume that your opponent is wrong, and explain his error, and the world will be at your feet. Attempt to prove that he is wrong or (worse still) try to find out whether he is wrong or right, and the natural dynamism of our age will thrust you to the wall." That is how Bulver became one of the makers of the Twentieth Century. Suppose I think, after doing my accounts, that I have a large balance at the bank. And suppose you want to find out whether this belief of mine is "wishful thinking." You can never come to any conclusion by examining my psychological condition. Your only chance of finding out is to sit down and work through the sum yourself. When you have checked my figures, then, and then only, will you know whether I have that balance or not. If you find my arithmetic correct, then no amount of vapouring about my psychological condition can be anything but a waste of time. If you find my arithmetic wrong, then it may be relevant to explain psychologically how I came to be so bad at my arithmetic, and the doctrine of the concealed wish will become relevant - but only after you have yourself done the sum and discovered me to be wrong on purely arithmetical grounds. It is the same with all thinking and all systems of thought. If you try to find out which are tainted by speculating about the wishes of the thinkers, you are merely making a fool of yourself. You must first find out on purely logical grounds which of them do, in fact, break down as arguments. Afterwards, if you like, go on and discover the psychological causes of the error.

[@miztenacioust1758]

Allie, please see if you can talk to Monique Duson and Tony Evans! They're working in ways that will help counteract CRT and promote racial reconciliation in the Church ❤🙏🙌

[@fh1980ram]

Not sure Allie even reads the comments section on KZbin. You might have a better chance on Twitter.

[@miztenacioust1758]

@M. Jacobson Hi! Tony doesn't talk about CRT specifically, but does talk a great deal about how the church can play an active, practical role in healing the racial divide, and he does so in a way that is removed from CRT, in his book Oneness Embraced and his pamphlets We Can Do Better, parts 1 and 2. He even has a Bible reading plan on the YouVersion Bible app on community restoration and the church, that is focused on these issues. Monique Duson is more specific in addressing CRT head on.

[@londomolari5715]

I think the point about science/data at time appoximately 22:00 is interesting in light of the current virus outbreak. In this outbreak we are supposed to yield to the superior knowledge of the epidemiology experts, based on really shoddy data.

[@millirue]

This was an amazing interview! Thank you for sharing! It was very eye opening. I am convicted for buying into critical theory without even knowing what to call it. I completely agree with you that as Christians we have to always go back to the word of God for guidance, not through worldly means.

[@preacherpauldudley-do-righ1080]

as a pastor I can speak on my behalf. I don't think critically, I think Biblically. Culture does not define doctrine, my job is to love everyone I come into contact directly to the cross of Christ.

[@banmancan1894]

I know and appreciate what you are saying. But I was just going to say, ‘critical thinking’ is vastly different than critical theory. The former is by definition “the analysis of facts, with certain levels of rigor and problem-solving abilities, to form a judgement.” Like a deep analysis on a subject. Critical theory, on the other hand, is what Dr. Shenvi was discussing. Critical theory should live up to the form of ‘critical’ used in critical thinking, but ironically, it seems to only point to a shallow (and negative) reflection of reality beyond anything else.

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@TheAaronChand]

This guy is a rice bag convert

[@canibezeroun1988]

As a Black... I think to best address this is to give them the Gospel while covering the issue. Do not ever say Black Lives Matter, say you don't agree and say that you Love Black People. Are they going to argue with you on that point? Yes. Will they look stupid? Without question. You have to lead with Love because that is biblical and consistent (and still holds the Gospel as the golden standard).

[@alanvandenbroek1011]

Amen brother.

[@dumebiokosa3138]

God is with you. I tell a lot of white friends to never act defensively and come up with "All lives matter " or "white lives matter" but to just act simple or ask the provocateur what he means by the slogan and debunk some of the stupid claims and tell liberals the truth. I also tell them to talk about how Jesus stood for Justice and not social Justice/critical theory. I also tell people not to get caught in slogans and words because slogans and words can be weaponized by enemies to cause us harm.

[@MM-oc3sb]

It truly does come down to sin nature. As a young, teen, white girl I was bullied mercilessly - by both white and black peers- for my flat chest, thin hair, uncool clothes, etc. There was a point i did not want to face life. Jesus saved me from my "lived" unworthiness and patiently grew me into accepting my own value in Him. Labeling all injustice as racist can be counterproductive.

[@teslavoltagames3208]

I would argue Hegel was the father of Critical Theory because Marx stole all of his ideas about power dynamics from Hegel.

[@buckeyewill2166]

Tesla Volta Games ...When will people see Marx as a Deadbeat Daddy?????

[@dawnchrisostom5817]

“White Fragility” is not a book I would ever pick up. I read the back of it and found that the author had no background in multicultural issues. Many women at my church were reading it in a book club. Therefore, I thought maybe I should check this out. I was so repulsed by it. I have lived a multicultural life for 28 years as my husband is a different culture and ethnic background than I am. I figure if I raised three multicultural children on a daily basis, then I was probably more aware of cultural differences and behaviors than someone writing about divisiveness in using terms such as race or racial. It would be so helpful if we embraced cultural differences and celebrated ethnicities. Then, that wouldn’t fit the sjw narrative.

[@silviawoodard5737]

So heartbroken that those I respected- Beth Moore, Matt Chandler, etc- have swallowed this hook,line and sinker. How do they not see that Satan has hijacked a godly concern for others and mixed it with shaming and blaming total innocents in the process and the division actually comes from the accusations THEY bring falsely against the brethren, all the while patting themselves on the back for their compassion . How did we get here????

[@ninaelliott9821]

@Silvia Woodward Both Moore and Chandler are NAR preachers.False teachers.So no surprises there. Abiding in Christ and His Word is the only way to stand in faith. John8:31

[@deandremathurin1280]

Said it perfectly

[@deandremathurin1280]

@@ninaelliott9821 I always had a feeling that something was off about Beth Moore. I just could never pinpoint exactly what it was. So, thanks

[@bobgutjahr8606]

Large swathes of Evangelicalism is based on subjectivity and experience. This primed it to be sucked into gnostic Critical Theory.

[@marcangelillo5545]

Eph 2 :10-22 .... racial reconciliation has already happened thru Christ. Now we are all called to walk it out in our lives.

[@TiffNicole]

Oh my goodness, I graduated from the Comm Department at UNCGreensboro 6 years ago and man, I wish I had known Dr. Sawyer throughout my studies there. I respected my professors, but did not see eye-to-eye with most of their beliefs, and they made it blatantly obvious their stances and those played into how and what they taught. As a student there with what seemed like unpopular opinions, I would have loved to have known Dr. Sawyer and his work. He sure has it cut out for him there...

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[@michaelkelleypoetry]

The 9 who disliked this want to impose their worldview on the rest of the 587 of us.

[@SJQuirke]

Ja - the ratio is now 82 to 2.8 thousand - some of the reasons are also shown in the comments here. I am puzzled by the ostensibly Christian commenters who are saying this dialogue and the inputs of Voddie Bauchamm and others are somehow evil. How are we to reach out to a confused and darkened generation, with a message of light, if we cannot speak their language?

[@flexforchrist11]

I LOVE the longer episodes. It's hard to cover much ground in a mere half hour (Allie does an amazing job of this despite the task.) Very excited to hear the whole episode.

[@jordantreece938]

For the first two minutes of this video I was so annoyed. Almost vomited by ABS's patting herself on the back for how awesome this convo was going to be. Then I was completely flabbergasted when the guest was like "I'm a stay at home dad and a chemist" ... Like, you're the guy who's going to teach us about social theories? BUT (I cannot emphasize this enough) BUT - Dr. Shenvi here has the best presentation on a Christian approach to the current social climate that I have heard yet. As someone who's had a real hard time figuring out how to approach this whole critical theory thing from a Christian perspective, Dr. Shenvi has been so helpful for me today. I don't dislike ABS or anything, but every time she talked I was just like "Shut up! I want to hear Neil speak more!" Anyway, thanks for the video, ABS!

[@screwball1010]

Okay. That is 3 of your videos that showed up on my timeline that I liked. You get a sub. Also, its cool to see Shenvi do an interview rather than the usual presentation.

[@bobgutjahr8606]

This comes down to Francis Scheaffer's discussion of the despair of philosophy. We have figured out that we are subjective beings with no access to objective truth. This is why mathematics begins with unproven axia and undefines. We have no way to prove that 2+2=4. We have a subjective experience that we interpret as 2+2=4. We can count two sheep and two more sheep, but we have no way of knowing if we are missing something. That is why we need an outside source of objective truth. Christians use the Bible. Others use experience or some others scripture. You cannot interpret the world without an a priori frame of reference that is assumed to be true (Bible). Thus the quote attributed to G. K. Chesterton, “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

[@CateOtanes]

Excited to listen to this! ✨✨✨

[@sorelyanlie2784]

So excited to listen to this! I saw your story yesterday, and I have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of this video.

[@alanvandenbroek1011]

Allie; you hosted and did great job bringing out the major highlights out from Dr. Neil Shenvi. I did catch you two mentioned (Dr.) James Lindsay and that was great to show appreciated work presented by him, very worthy works, even tho an atheist, an allie in the struggle with GOD so to speak. Or the two men or you host both. Be a fantastic discussion no matter what :)

[@Rvillaluz123]

Here's Critical Theory's kryptonite: Galatians 3:28 KJV - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:13-14 KJV - Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

[@PromisKeeper]

When he started getting choked up @ 1:03:00... man, that got me. and I was sitting here at my desk working. lol

[@go2therock]

I listen to and learn about this in order to better understand my times and what I see is going on around me in the culture and the Church. I don't understand how Pastors can follow the trends and not guard their hearts and their flocks. But they are human too.

[@nicholascoyle3210]

Just curious - who are the Evangelical pastors and groups that are recommending reading White Fragility?

[@viper592]

I don't know about others, but the Southern Baptist President, South Eastern Theological Baptist Seminary President and Faculty, David Paul Tripp, and Many other SBC leaders. They went woke and now the SBC church will go broke.

[@marydbaker]

viper592 oh that’s so tragic. Not Paul Tripp!! 😳😭

[@plousia]

The pastor of a Presbyterian church I was going to (until they went woke) quoted approvingly from that book in a sermon. That was my last straw.

[@TGBTG7]

Such important information for us all. I feel much better equipped to articulate why my worldview is so different than the “typical” talking points being bantered about by so many. Allie your work is a blessing to many!👏🏻💪🏻

[@lynhastings8671]

It's funny how God's plan plays out, I love it so much.... As I've been learning about critical theories of all sorts, and I feel SO MUCH of what I thought I knew (because I was PROGRAMMED) falling away, I'm AT THE SAME TIME reading C.S. Lewis, and though I've always felt aware of God and believed in Him, I've never called myself a Christian. It's all changing, and my eyes are opening. Thank you, Allie, for the work you're putting out.

[@bretlynn]

Did it ever come up that Neil Shenvi supported Resolution 9 into the Southern Baptist Convention which affirms the use of Critical Theory as a useful analytical tool? NOW suddenly he's going to teach everyone why its so bad? IDK something here stinks

[@juliabos1558]

Hi Allie, thank you for your videos! I have a request: You say you know evangelical pastors who promote critical race theory ideas and who recommend reading books from this world view (such as White Fragility). Can you tell us WHO these pastors are? I think we should know. Thanks

[@Zoey-uv7fs]

This is really a great show. Thank you for enlightening us. Your guest did a great job at explaining how these Critical Theorist think. He broke it down to the nuggets.

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@stevemagee57]

Dr. Shenvi talked about 4 central ideas: 1. Social Binary, 2. Oppression, 3. Lived Experience, and 4... Can someone tell me what #4 was? I missed it.

[@nicolecastonguay1693]

I’ve listened to this conversation several times. Thank you so much for having it!

[@larryinews1]

I left a church that had adopted parts of critical theory. They were influenced by secular academia at a local prestigious university and brought it into the church. Very sad. Tim Keller has adopted some Critical Theory concepts in one of his books, "Generous Justice."

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

I’m Hispanic also and I learned that following Elohim is the only one I listen too. I’m a Bible believer Christian. Yes your right most peoples still living in the Matrix. If anyone comments that the Matrix is a movie then you are still in the Matrix.

[@jumbo4billion]

I see the human world as the opposite of the matrix, it all seems pretty horrific on the surface but underneath all is well.

[@orlandovelastegui1391]

john Taylor so go back to sleep only talking to people that are out of the Matrix

[@bobgutjahr8606]

Many Evangelical pastors are focused on: The base salvation message, not losing congregants by offending them, and being popular. It's not that what they preach is not true, it's that they are not preaching the whole truth. Since the base salvation message is cut off from the totality of life, people don't find it very relevant.

[@KManwarren]

The world is broken up into two groups: The Oppressed and The Oppressor - Karl Marx This coming from the man who never kept a job and lived off the wealth of his wealthy friends throughout Europe. Sketchy.

[@TheMoravians]

One of the root mistakes that pastors make is that they trust "experts" (even pagan writers) and take everything in their books as gospel truth, but don't get out their door and meet people of other ethnicities in person, for themselves. It's so much easier to just listen to what "the experts" say, read a book and regurgitate it without real critical thinking to your congregation, rather than meet a wide variety of people and nurture friendships over the course of years and work out the "little foxes that spoil the vine" in real life shared together in real community.

[@ItsJess2220]

Wonderful interview! Thanks for sharing Allie!

[@jenniferdeaton5130]

The only push back I have is what am I supposed to do for the girl who was bullied in high school? I don't really see it as racism as I do random acts of bullying which I feel most of us have experienced. I have an adult daughter who has severe autism, it takes every ounce of her energy to work at fitting in a world that is increasingly more worried about trans and non systemic racism than the lives of special needs and elderly...those who truly cannot speak or advocate for themselves. I'm sure it was a painful experience for this girl but it's great she has a voice to express her pain and probably could focus more on the positive relationships she has to support her. I have no problem intervening in a situation I see happening that is wrong and maybe that's what we do on a daily life basis... one on one approach.

[@Shejo284]

This entire discussion completely ignores racism allowed by all these theories but comes from black people towards all who don't agree with them to include even other people of colour. Sad that he thinks dialogue is the only weapon against all this evil.

[@hectorfalcon1867]

Long interview but well worth your time listening to it. One of the best educational videos out there regarding critical theory and how it is impacting both cultural and the churches. I plan on using it as a educational tool in my university and Sunday school classes.

[@allysoncashion2268]

Allie and Dr. Shenvi, thank you!!

[@cccc13.]

Only @29:26 mins in but it made me think this which I think is a good point to why they don’t care when stats are used or really anything you say: They are tying this critical theory to emotions as well or saying everything should be important and apart of you thus making it emotional, doing this so you don’t have to be reasonable or logical when speaking or defending the issue.

[@TimeToFlush]

Titus 3:10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning. If someone in the Church isn’t providing chapter and verse for what they are promoting, then do we have time for this? They need to see that they are not leading the church, but those administering the Word are. Both the naïve person and the false teacher need to know that they will be left behind if they don’t drop the divisive nuclear waste they are trying to promote. There should be no arguing over this; just a command to drop all unbiblical doctrine and preach and teach Biblical doctrine only, PERIOD. You get only two chances to get this right or you are out. Either they live or you leave.

[@ready2cworld997]

There was a quote he gave from a book he didn't give title or author...abt 36:00...."reading and published by a well known evangelical author and publisher...anyone know book he was quoting? I am studying as much as I can bc of concern over a particular book and mindset my current church maybe embracing.

[@Zoey-uv7fs]

Dialog and debate are important. As individuals, we learn from each other; we are social beings. Unfortunately, this ideology implicitly shuts down debate. The doctor said it succintly, it is totalitarianism in nature.

[@gogos869]

I wonder where “attractiveness” fits into all of this insanity? Do I need to feel guilty because I’m “pretty”? I have gotten away with much more by being pretty, than by being white. I’m almost 60 and I can still get help at Home Depot because I’m pretty! I have nothing against unattractive people. Some of my best friends are unattractive! (LOL. Just trying to add some humor to a very serious subject) Thank you for taking the time to inform us! God bless you both!

[@gogos869]

M. Jacobson WOW! That’s a lot to take in. It’s all sad but true! As for the jealousy thing...I worked in high end retail cosmetics for about 15 years(unsaved for 14 of them!) where I was surrounded by some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. I was a “small fish in a big pond” . I’ll never forget when a male friend of mine pointed out to me that one of my girl friends was jealous of me. It never occurred to me! But he was right! Also, women in that industry are very catty and the biggest gossips. I wanted to get a t-shirt made with bloody stab wounds on the back and the front saying “tell me to my face, my back can’t take it anymore”! Now I’m a big fish in a little pond! I live in Florida retirement Hell. For some reason most women over 50 have short hair and look like men. I refuse to cut my hair! (A woman’s hair is her glory) I still use good skin care and wear age appropriate makeup. LOL

[@marydbaker]

Victoria Koerber ☝🏼 noticed the same. I’m 65. Very long grey hair and well kept with product and common sense (heat destroys) and oh the jealous comments I receive from other women ! Beauty is gone, trust me. 2corinthians 4:16. The inside is more important at this stage of life.

[@marydbaker]

@Victoria Koerber: Being beautiful or handsome is a problem if one does not have biblical perspective on the whole matter. You have a great point. Some people get to see how their comeliness has given them an entirely different life than otherwise. Some will never see it. Interesting how Isaiah mentions that the messiah would not be attractive in that way. Means this is an important issue.

[@namepending11]

There is an episode called the Eye of the Beholder in the old Twilight Zone that addresses that. All attractive people were rounded up as freaks.

[@brikamaba8589]

This is off topic but how great it was to view the programing without a bunch of commercial interruptions!

[@tyn3496]

This was one of the best sessions on this topic I've seen yet - and I've seen a lot at this point. Thank you for the great content.

[@monwellchassion923]

Oh the gems dropped in this segment. Great interview. I'm glad I found another apologetic reference on KZbin. Christian brothers are behind you sister. Spread the truth. John 14:6 truth.

[@cgme007]

Listen to stories yes, true stories, not nightmares that people have that never happened and are just steeped in fear from the narrative.

[@monwellchassion923]

@@cgme007 I guess you'll find out if it's a dream one day. You think that's fear. That's worship. Otherwise, your life is and always will be purposeless. Your worldview of not believing in Christ is the very reason why the world is the way it is (relativism). You may not be afraid now, but you will surely live that nightmare eternally, hoping that the Lord gives you enough days on this Earth to change your mind.

[@cgme007]

Monwell Chassion I am a believer and totally agree 100% with everything said in this video. My remark was regarding Mr Shenvi’s comment about listening to stories that people share (he shared a few). While we should listen to stories we have to be careful because some stories are not reality but made up nightmares about race and oppression in people’s minds.

[@monwellchassion923]

@@cgme007 my mistake. This is why I hate this platform for believers to communicate. You don't know who's shooting at you, or who's handing you the gun, if you know what I mean. I'm deeply sorry at my response. I misunderstood and rushed in interpreting the context. Now I understand... Yes, you are 100% right. As a black man, I resent the narrative that I'm oppressed. If anything, I'm oppressed by socioeconomic ideologues shoving their privileged oppression down my ears and eyes.

[@cgme007]

Monwell Chassion absolutely! Thanks for the follow up and I understand. I rarely post comments myself because I believe it truly is a cut through world we’re living in. Be encouraged to stay the course though and continue to speak up. It’s refreshing when other black people speak out against the victim hood mentally that is doing serious harm to our black community and so many have latched on to without giving it any thought. It’s terrible. We pray for God’s intervention, as He sees fit.

[@charissanoble3309]

This is the most helpful and clear critique of critical theory I've heard, INCLUDING non-Christian figures like James Lindsay (no shade, keep up the good work, Jim). As Christians, our critique does need to start from a different place, and we need to remember that God's truth as revealed in Scripture is truth so we don't need to be afraid. Thank you, thank you, thank you for this.

[@David-tg2sb]

Recently discovered you. Very Impressed. Enjoying your presentations and looking forward to listening to other things you've put out.

[@sarahw7936]

Why is this episode not listed on your podcast?

[@davidharris4478]

It must drive Shenvi nuts that his pastor, JD Greear, is an enabler of Critical Race Theory and Intersectionality in the Southern Baptist Convention. Not sure if Greear knows what he's doing. He seems very shallow. But Shenvi ain't shallow. He sees the hapless and pernicious influence of his pastor.

[@asielchristopher4955]

Very insightful from both of you..Thank GOD for this video

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@themeek351]

I just watched the movies "1984" and "Brave New World", and I see a lot of parallels to critical theory! New speak is really old! I never knew the depths of the evil thoughts of men before watching these! I wept for our condition and now realize the weight of Christ's sacrifice to save us! These should be required viewing for adult christians!

[@jumbo4billion]

19th Russian literature has in depth explorations of all these destructive ways of thinking, the revolution couldn't have happened without dismantling all rational thought. There's nothing new under the sun, as they say. I'm not Christian myself but was suprised to find on reading the new testament how it has advice for any situation a person can find themselves in.

[@selectamark]

This is such a great broadcast kudos to you both and a shoutout from UK 🇬🇧

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@angelabalzatorok1623]

I observe that there is an aspect of this conversion to CRT within Christianity which involves fear of being labeled "judgmental". Christians are acquainted with the fact that we are not to judge. But the failure to distinguish between Judgement (which belongs to Jesus alone) and Biblical discernment (which is required of all Christ's followers) allows for the trap to be set. The anti-Christ spirit often uses a confusion of language to trick well-meaning people into accepting false doctrine. The Bible is clear, however, that Christianity, while open to all, is not inclusive of all attitudes and behaviors. The path is narrow...and its ok to acknowledge that. We are called to accept the label of "judgmental" by those who choose to twist truth in an attempt to deny their base nature, their need for God, and His call to repentance. We are warned that unacceptance and persecution will be our lot. Its part of the deal.

[@darkenyawebber-tennell262]

I so appreciate this dialogue. It helped me to place words to what i knew was happening in the society with these various movements of deception.

[@robynalbury-sipeli8479]

Thankyou so much. This has really clarified things for me and confirmed what I felt in my heart but couldn't articulate as a supposed fragile white albeit it also an oppressed female. True wisdom comes from God and his holy word

[@conservativerepublic7224]

Lets Unite to speak against this evil ideology! Critical Race Theory | City of Seattle Teaches White Workers How Not To Be Racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJWngpiEfd2qZpY

[@comeandreasontogether2383]

Great interview. I learned a lot

[@coryoliver1532]

Blessings! Is there a place that list a chronological order of each of the terms - and definition of each? God bless and many thanks!

[@PaperParade]

This is so good. I’ve been struggling between knowing racism is real and alive in our country unfortunately, but it’s also not how the left is pitching it to be. It’s both a real problem we need to work on but we cannot go wayward from Scripture and truth in general and be able to make any positive changes.

[@meghoughton562]

What do you mean, exactly? In what ways do you feel racism manifests in America?

[@DarthBalsamic]

I'm black myself and actually think the exact opposite of you. I actually think "racism" is nowhere near a huge issue; at least not in the way it's being presented or messaged. So you have to ask yourself, why would I think that?!

[@meghoughton562]

@@DarthBalsamic Thank you for responding. I'd really like to get to the heart of the matter here. I truly appreciate honest input.

[@DarthBalsamic]

@@meghoughton562 You're welcome. You see here's the thing, I have a very unique background. I have studied this both historically and statistically, as well as legally, and inclusive of my own upbringing and experiences, I have no doubt that "racism" is nowhere near as big an issue as is propagandized and demagogued. Quite frankly, I think there's an entirely different agenda at play here, and it has nothing to do with anything racial. I could go in depth, but this would be exhaustive. On a side note, I've studied Critical Race Theory, along with Liberation Theology, and both of those are dangerous; not just to the church, and with it eternal salvation of individuals, but it's dangerous to this country and others as well, along with society. This will only about destruction and conflagration. Unfortunately, many believers have fallen into what I believe is a dangerous delusion, and unfortunately, I've seen this in history before terrible things happen when the church falls apart. I'm hoping this doesn't happen in this age. I find this all troubling.

[@ItsRealyReall]

Sounds like you'd make some awesome/helpful videos if you wanted to and were meant to. 😄

[@alexlindstrom555]

Critical Social Justice Theory: finally a term to describe the unsettling feelings I’ve associated with some diversity discussions for the better part of a decade (ironically since coming out about my sexuality...and realizing that I didn’t hold many of the political views of the LGBT bandwagon). Much of it looks good on the surface, but it’s a specific indoctrination. I struggle to see God anywhere in it. God sees people equally but as white people, we’re shamed for trying to adopt that principle. Everyone has bias as a result of being human, but Christians are already working in that by virtue of being Christian, by being sons and daughters of God...NOT by virtue of being white.

[@DannaOwen]

Who are the Christian writers and speakers you are quoting? Christians need to know. Also, people need to know the psychosocial needs that attract them to Christianity because these are the same needs that the Critical Theorists are targeting as a way to attract Christians to their thinking. I wonder if Neil and Allie have actually read James Lindsay’s work. It is an excellent resource for understanding exactly how Christians are being sucked into Critical Theory.

[@yammoyammamoto8323]

Really interesting to hear how a Christian argues to dismiss CT - as I reject both for the same reason: "Original sin is, by its mere concept, wicked." I am no more born a "sinner" for being human, than I am a "sinner" for being white... male and/or hetero.

[@sarahthompson9217]

I wonder why they didn’t call out the pastors and the seminary?

[@jillannrutherford9623]

Thank you for making this more clear. I kept thinking something wasn't right about all this but I couldn't figure it out.

[@powerjules4327]

This is "The Great falling away", it doesn't take stringent lines of dialogue, it just takes believing the word.

[@Shadow-vu7tq]

The term "gender non congruity" is another one means transgenderisum is a hypothesis but the god of this world blinds the minds of the unbelievers

[@frepar]

While people may be racist , that racism goes both ways. I as a White person have experienced racism by blacks many times. So to concentrate on racism one sided needs to be rejected. Neil seems to buy into that one sidedness in this regard.

[@sonshine8673]

🙌🏻🙌🏻💖💖💖✝️💖💖💖🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@mikekenyon8483]

Correct. He started off well but by the end he comes across as CRT-lite.

[@dumebiokosa3138]

check out how the words "racist", "racism" and "white supremacy" were invented and how they have been weaponized d in society.

[@yaqarianfanashira]

Maybe she should interview a Christian who supports these things - colourblind racism, white privilege, white fragility - but are not saying heretical things like, "There are other ways to get to God other than Jesus" ... I would love to see that conversation.

[@francescaanon866]

Wonderful video! Thank you both for the insight

[@ricklewis3570]

Quite interesting to listen to, I appreciate how Allie brings these topics to light

[@pierreferguson5257]

James 2:4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? James 2:9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

[@hidyho6072]

There is no Hope in Critical Theory. Demonic, yes. Scary? Very much! I want to know what evangelical book he was quoting such nonsense from! 😳

[@ejdulis]

I believe it's: Can "White" People Be Saved?: Triangulating Race, Theology, and Mission. Neil has a review here: shenviapologetics.com/a-short-review-of-sechrests-can-white-people-be-saved/

[@lifeisgood3995]

@@ejdulis Thank you. I'm disappointed that he states the names and books of the critical theorists he quotes but didn't name the book title, author or seminary that he considered evangelical. I've learned much from listening to this podcast.