Drinker's Chasers - Is Hollywood Finally Ditching The Activism?

In this clip from Happy Hour, Dankula and I have a good laugh at failed Hollywood activism in film and TV, and ponder whether the recent wave of cancellations may mean they've finally had enough and decided to start making entertainment again.
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[@flexaspriklepem1689]

2012 - So... Is the movie good? 2022 - So... Is the movie woke?

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

LOL exactly!

[@Soyuz2578]

Sad but true

[@muffinman5741]

No need to ask anymore. They all are.

[@kevinpeterwareham8131]

@@muffinman5741 tru dat. in fact a few appear to not be but have an undercurrent of woke. or 'slywoke' as i call it.

[@MegamanXfan21xx]

@@muffinman5741 Unless they star Tom Cruise, pretty much the last holdout of good old-fashioned entertaining movies.

[@naamari]

Even if Hollywood started making good stuff again, it's important you never forget the shit they've done and the people they've attacked.

[@anteviktor]

And this is exactly the reason why I have trust issues with everything Hollywood puts out these days. No more cinema for me, saves me a lot of time and money :)

[@8narutoshodowclones]

les we forget

[@ninakore]

You know Hollywood has been doing shady shit since the whole thing began right?

[@SomeCanine]

I never will. I will treat all of the studios who have been churning out woke garbage the same as I've been treating all of the other woke companies that turned on me. Not a single cent more.

[@SomeCanine]

@@ninakore It's one thing to have bad business practices in order to entertain you. It's another to attack you while doing do.

[@Nixerman]

Hollywood needs to understand that SJWs don't go and watch movies, fans do. So carefully choose who you want to piss off.

[@looinrims]

Unpopular truth: it’s not fans either, it’s just your average Joe, ie your average white man , because fans are a small sect by definition

[@matwatson7947]

The saying "there is no bad thing as bad publicity" IS true but .. They take it to far and cross the line into making people bitter. Bitter people are not going to support you. People with legitimate criticisms being accused of Racism, sexism e.t.c are just going to go "fuck off" and not support you

[@javierroa2171]

Maybe your analysis is wrong, the SJWs are a minority and even if they consumed all the products, they would still fail. SJWs are a fanatical and extreme group that do not represent the vast majority of the population (normal and earthly people like us). Even a large number of people who flirt with their ideology feel saturated with this whole situation... The problem is that we are in a new middle age, but where a small minority submits to the majority. That is not healthy and society by nature will change in order not to collapse.

[@waynecanning4122]

@@looinrims Well actually-Fans not only see the movie but they often see it multiple times and then buy it digitally or on BluRay and clutter their desks with merchandise.

[@993mike]

@@looinrims You’re off base on this one. I look at a movie like Top Gun Maverick, and everyone I know from all races and demographics (and here in Silicon Valley it’s as diverse as it gets) loved the movie, and the most common comment I hear is how fun it was without all the preaching and fake wokeness shoved down our throats from the movies and streamed shows of the last decade

[@VaniFoxOfficial]

They might reconsider their agenda if they can no longer afford their 12 sports cars and multiple manors.

[@thehusketeers4319]

They cannot help themselves

[@SteveCossaboom]

Like Bill Burr says: "How fucking big does your yacht have to be?"

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Breaking Bad: Pointing at a massive mountain of cash "How big does this have to be?". Although, a better analogy is The Dark Knight where the Joker burns it all.

[@looinrims]

But down with capitalism!

[@pepelopez8912]

@@thehusketeers4319 AsaSASsSSaasrs=567○

[@JohnDoe-fg4xe]

Activism and moral grandstanding will be the death of Hollywood, people go watch movies to escape from the horrors of life, they dont go watch a 2 hour movie to be constantly told they are the problem.

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

i dont know.. it kinda sounds like the "Two Minute Hate" in 1984.. granted movies are far longer, but that just means they can give them targets to hate, ideas that they can convince them make them superior to those they hate, a feeling of acceptance if they just tow the party's line, and a new religion/ faith/ culture to belong to all in a few hours... given how absolutely barren of actual meaning western culture/ art/ governance has been in the last 30 years, that might be enough to sway most of the people out there now raised entirely on nothing but self hatred and targeted disdain...

[@MarsupialRogue]

@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z We had a clear identity once. They started by whittling away at that. By saying that anything that represented us, or that we liked, had to be banished to avoid hurting the feelings of those who didn't perfectly fit into what that was. It's just Critical Theory. Literally taking power by endlessly complaining like ex-wives.

[@captainz9]

It's really a mystery to me, I mean look - I buy a jar of peanut butter at the store because I like peanut butter, and then maybe I'll pick a brand based on price, flavor, creamy vs chunky, etc... Woke activists want to jar up dog crap and put it out on the shelf... Now, sure, maybe they fool some people initially and make some money off people "trying a new brand", but eventually people start wising up and saying "no thanks"... And then they start screaming you are "PB supremacists" if you don't like dog crap in a jar, thinking it'll somehow make you start buying it again, which of course it won't. The thing is, at some point even if they say "ok, ok, we're making peanut butter again" are you ever going to trust them again?

[@ErikDeMann]

@@MarsupialRogue 'There can be no heroes and male role models, only the State, and the State is all there is.' ~All leftists everywhere, throughout the last century.

[@roca967]

@@MarsupialRogue well put!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

When their powers combine, they become Countical Drinkula.

[@guywhocantgrowabeard]

Wouldn't it be Countical Drinkula?

[@timothygremlin9737]

Dankest Criticula

[@chrissedaka8141]

@@timothygremlin9737 Crountitical Drainkulera

[@BlookbugIV]

Is the full streamed paywalled or something? I can’t find it

[@texasbeast239]

2012: (Chocolatey Cereal with Marshmallows) 2022: Shocklatey Serious with Salt Fellows

[@isleofredemption]

I miss the original Twilight Zone. Rod Serling had all kinds of themes about race and prejudice and stuff in his series, but he knew how to not make it suck.

[@jneilson7568]

Twilight Zone was never that subtle, but it was genuinely more entertaining.

[@SomeCanine]

It's easy to do when you're not a minoritarian.

[@cinemint]

@@jneilson7568 he could get away with being obtuse because he had an ounce of integrity. being brazen when it's easy to defend your position can definitely be a strength. modern ideology is nigh indefensible - it doesn't hold up to debate, or evidence, or even the slightest bit of deconstruction.

[@jneilson7568]

@@cinemint Very good point. The lack of morals in something like the new Resident Evil were downright disturbing.

[@thewalkingdude7464]

Rod Serling was a man way way way ahead of his time. Hell, he was way ahead of this timeline.

[@SheldonAdama17]

“Dude; stop pushing THE MESSAGE” Hollywood: “Nah it’ll be fine”

[@samwiserando]

i read that and got the echo.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@samwiserando Oh man, 😅

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

​@@samwiserando SAME

[@reegez7688]

Once the dust settles and Hollywood has finally moved on from the woke/activism over good writing era, I think we’ll all look back and realize this was the entertainment industry’s lowest and least creative point in history.

[@margarinesnatcher]

Oh don't worry, they'll find ways to surprise us.

[@samboyes1996]

Lowest and least creative point…. SO FAR….

[@tool2158]

You have to understand though, when the wokeness goes away, it doesn't automatically revert back to good entertainment. Wokeness currently makes bad entertainment worse, not good entertainment bad.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

They'll also realise that the scale of the damage that its done, as the biggest IPs have been wrecked because of their stupidy, such as the once mighty mech giant, Star Wars, has fallen to a level where its declared DEAD!!

[@robertabrahamsen9076]

Woke's not going elsewhere, this is a rope a dope.

[@kevinoneil5120]

Imagine bringing your favorite toy to school and some bully takes it from you and irreparably breaks it, and then YOU get in trouble for calling the bully a jerk.

[@poppazoz]

My son and his wife have been arguing with me over this show since it came out. They were trying SO HARD to just take it and enjoy it "for what it is", then after the last episode they were SOOOO PISSED. They felt like they, as the people trying to support their (Marvel's) show, were the ones that got laughed at and trolled. Like the writers and producers popped out at the end and pointed and laughed at them and said "ROTFLMAO you watched the whole thing, you F'in idiot.".

[@looinrims]

I have a friend who’s trying that with Rings of Power, every pathetic excuse

[@poppazoz]

@@looinrims At least my son came around at the end.

[@looinrims]

@@poppazoz they always do

[@matsug5704]

@@looinrims Yeah I told a friend I wont watch that show because its shit and he was like " you just dont like it because is not like the Lord of the rings" fucking exactly my point.

[@kevinpeterwareham8131]

....the writers kind of are right on that though. they are idiots watching it. my bro-in-laws a great bloke but watches the woke its got a hold of society like an infection.

[@edwardcase6727]

Activist showrunning is the equivalent of people throwing soup and mashed potatoes on Van Goghs and Monets and yelling “what’s more important, art or people?!”

[@PepperKatLancer]

Art cause art is timeless and inspires people!

[@pattonramming1988]

Art doesn't destabilize nations destroy property or assault bystanders who have nothing to do with your grievances until you drag them into your shit

[@juddgoswick2024]

That question itself is nonsense. Art is people. To be art, it has to capture something true and relatable in our shared experience. Art is the best of people and it outlast them. Ming Vases are treasured long after the Ming Dynasty was discarded. Greek Myth outlasted the city states that birthed them.

[@loner9832]

@@juddgoswick2024 Exactly, it captures the time, the culture of it... so it's also historical too.

[@CoryTheRaven]

Ask the woke that and the response is "NEITHER! Both are problematic and need to be controlled!"

[@theabsolutetrashman3708]

That depends if the Black Rock CEO finally stepped down or not, but even then the damage his ideology caused to the world is pretty irreversible at this point

[@Astropeleki]

I don't know: if ESG scores are ditched completely, then we might still recover. After all the thing about new generations is that they love shitting on the beliefs of old ones: the rebels of yesterday are the counter-revolutionaries of tomorrow. Wokeness is not different, especially since it's such a feeling-based ideology. Finding holes in it to convince the general public is not an issue, is the fact that you can lose your career and be lambasted on social media that is keeping it alive.

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

Or is TAKEN down first...

[@tommywest9465]

​@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper I don't think anyone that cares to do that can afford to do so.

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

@@tommywest9465 God willing someone does it before it's too late!

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

People are very far behind if they thing anything entertaniment related will reverse course. There is a small battle won, a Hamburger Hill. But we - the great majority non-elites - are the Japanese in 1945 at this point (with due acknowledgement of mixing war metaphors...)

[@alverdeo965]

As long as companies such as blackrock exist, there is no way in hell they'll stop making shit like this.

[@LordBaktor]

That's my fear, that type of company is trying to subvert the "get woke go broke" trope. "No matter if your product is shite and doesn't make any money, we'll cover your losses as long as you spread our message".

[@yogurtcat.9607]

Do you ever think that we will be free if such companies?

[@Dravianpn02]

@@yogurtcat.9607 no sadly. Not when groups like Bilderberg Stull meet up and work together.

[@chrissedaka8141]

@@yogurtcat.9607 You just need to be mindful of how and where you spend your money. Research before every purchase possible. Find a company, follow it up the chain to its parent company. The fact that it has a parent company is a good indication that it's a corporation (public). The indies are usually private companies. In the choice between private and public, always opt for private. Corporate mascots and properties are only popular with normies because of the decades of goodwill generated by fan support. Switch from the well-known to the start-up. Become the culture, and learn the lessons.

[@thomasfryer5706]

@@yogurtcat.9607 Only if the Government gets out of the market. The only reason they have survived this long is government bailouts and subsidies.

[@steve-oh4342]

What's really sad is the show writers themselves admitted they can't write. Imagine being really bad at writing, knowing and admitting it and you still get a job as a writer on a marvel series....where do I apply?

[@bazzy5644]

Lets face it these get hired because they are a minority and have a vag, nothing else are their "qualifications" it's tried and true racism and for some reason Hollywood made this shit the default nowadays. It's truly appalling and disgusting.

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

Funnily enough as an aspiring writer I have applied to several jobs like this (mainly in the game industry). Everywhere I tried said that they went with a different applicant cause I lacked experience. Which granted I was mildly content with, sure made that degree I went to pursue writing and such feel like toilet papert though. However I wasn't applying to be lead writer I was happy to work a small part on a team and just try my hand. But even entry level had so many requirements.

[@steve-oh4342]

@@Sarcastic_Sophist you should try again, just tell them you are a vegan, lesbian, trans woman

[@Sarcastic_Sophist]

@@steve-oh4342 Mostly trying to work on a portfolio, I have old essays and such but beyond TTRPG stuff I haven't written creatively in awhile. Perhaps I'm wrong to think so, but I want to be hired solely for the quality of my work and never for any innate characteristic I have.

[@mitchmitting102]

@@Sarcastic_Sophist How dare you have integrity and self-accountability for your own actions! You should totally only be getting in on personal life choices or arbitrary factors such as gender and sexual orientation

[@Brian0wns]

Somewhere along the line politics became a fashion statement, and a fad that no one seems to swing back on. When you build and develop intellectual properties over years and try to just stick with what seems cool at the time - you wind up making something that would be like Superman in the early 80s wearing bellbottoms and listening to disco. None of it will age well. The point is that it has to swing back to timeless stories and not so much what seems to be the hot issue at the moment... political or otherwise.

[@jneilson7568]

Everything is getting Poochied.

[@paulw5039]

Media companies are still afraid of the ree-ing of the crybullies on Twitter, etc. What will open the floodgates is someone being brave enough to put on one or two politically incorrect TV shows that attracts the usual protests and wailing (and cries of istophobia!), but are still mainstream successful. Then the powers that be will finally realise that the crybullies aren't in majority and all their wailing means nothing.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Somewhere probably not coincidentally, around the popularisation of Facebook and Twitter.

[@SteveCossaboom]

When I was a kid in public school in the 60s in small-town Canada, we had a vague notion of "movie stars" and famous people, from a bit of the crap we saw on the 3 channels we had on TV. Then one day our principal decided to bring in some politician (a nobody minor minister in a nothing province) to talk to us about something (I cannot remember what) - but this dude LOOKED like a movie star. A nice suit (nobody in our town wore a suit, even the principal wore a ratty sports coat that was ill fitting and he was a fat piece of shit) ... a shiny slick haircut and shiny white teeth (every dude in this town looked like a half-shaven cave man and went to work in a greasy factory every day, and only wore pants because otherwise they'd be arrested, and maybe brushed their teeth once a month, otherwise the chunks of meat in their teeth would prevent them from getting all the smoke hoovered in from cigarettes). The dude had cufflinks and a tie and a decent shirt, and a bit of cologne, which made all the overweight and fugly female teachers swoon and shift around like maybe he'd deign to scoop them up afterwards and bang them on the front seats of their pickup trucks. We KIDS however were totally confused. After he finished talking, we kind of clustered up and were absolutely dumbfounded as to what just happened, and, how were we supposed to react? We decided he must be super-famous, so we better go get his autograph. Seriously! The guy clearly didn't know how to react to this, didn't know he was amid clueless bumpkins, so he was missing that final step in his bullshit veneer "egomania awareness" where he could fashion-statement his way into telling us any kind of horseshit imaginable, and we'd likely believe it. He was a noob at this part of the process. OF course now all these empty suits know exactly what they are doing.

[@mat2000100]

>Somewhere along the line politics became a fashion statement, and a fad that no one seems to swing back on. Surely there would be some older people that would push back at the kids treating politics like a fad?

[@alongsleep]

It was never about the money, its about humiliation and destruction.

[@NathanCassidy721]

The problem is it’s backfiring in the face of those who are doing it. Because they forget that people hold grudges and have a habit of bringing up embarrassing shit which it’s most inconvenient.

[@alongsleep]

@@NathanCassidy721 The people who run these companies know how it is going to be received, they aren't stupid even if they hire stupid writers and show runners. Nothing is back firing because they didn't create these shows to succeed.

[@NathanCassidy721]

@@alongsleep Well joke's on them because they are only embarrassing themselves and destroying their reputation because the people they are trying to "humiliate" isn't having the intended effect. Because it's hard to embarrass who don't feel any shame and are more than willing to not give you money. We are seeing that with Star Wars, we are seeing it with Marvel, we are seeing it with Kevin Smith. The only people getting hurt is the morons that are making this shit. Just because money doesn't matter to them doesn't mean they are smart.

[@613-shadow9]

the problem is, with a business it has to be about money.

[@alongsleep]

@@613-shadow9 The 'businesses' are just one part of something larger. The elites and multinationals that own the media companies have more money than they'll ever need. Power is far more important.

[@tarron3237]

I wouldn't even say it's a conscious decision. People just get tired of all the shite. They simply start to ignore it and not bother or care anymore. Those companies tired out their viewers.

[@austinsultenfuss7661]

If WB and Disney want to make good movies again they need to fire all their current writers and hire writers only over the ages of 55 or people who don’t know what Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram is.

[@MagcargoMan]

All boomers know what Facebook is.

[@fattiger6957]

I watched the Super Sons animated movie last night and I was surprised that there are still people at WB who can make something good. It was actually good and fun and heartfelt. Being a direct to video animated movie, it's budget was clearly low (the main theme was I think the DS9 theme with a different tempo) but the writing and charm made up for it. And it followed the comics (when the comics were good) Maybe WB should take a hint and respect the source material and hire people for their live-action movies who care about making something good.

[@tool2158]

The problem is that even those older folks have been negatively influenced by what this new age has brought to us; and it's hard not to be. That's why I think those creative times from the past are not easily recreated. The only chance is find people who still live an old lifestyle and have not lost their creative and inventive touch, but good luck finding them.

[@jacobrivera1721]

They need hire people who actually have talent and care about their characters and are respectful to the source material and allow characters to grow and develop and get married

[@maximegiroux8353]

When I used to study scriptwriting, teachers would always say that you had to use your fiction to vehiculate you message. That it isn't art if it isn't saying anything. I just wanted to write good entertaining stories that weren't shit.

[@darkdwarf007]

But good entertainment stories usually do say something, it's just that the messages in them are timeless

[@looinrims]

Tell them they’re fucking stupid please

[@Apostate_ofmind]

the message is irrelevant if its written shitly. Also it usually should be something constructive and conducive to societal integration like 'be good' 'be kind' (god, i cant stand that phrase anymore) or 'be corageous'. But if the definition of all of these words are changed, the the message changes, and its shit. Hell even wrong messages could be part of a good piece of art, like 'society is shit' (it isnt) or 'this is hopeless' (it isnt) and stillb be something worth your time. The problem here is a convergence of shit message with shit ""art"". Cant really redeem that...

[@JoshuaKayle]

Someone once said “If you know your ‘message’ before you start writing/painting/drawing your art, it’s not art; it’s propaganda.”

[@fatalblue]

@@JoshuaKayle I've longed called and considered a lot of recent western media thinly vailed propaganda (though calling it thin at this point is probably being generous). Their is nothing wrong with using moves as a vehicle to make a political statement or address issues but you can't prioritize it over storytelling elements (assuming your goal is to tell a story in the first place). Stuff like Animal Farm and 1984 literally address political and societal concerns but are held in high regard as peices of entertainment. No, all art isn't political but art can be and has been and it lived alongside pure popcorn media peacefully for years before secular media started taking cues on movie making from the religous media makers they hate so much (at least their messages are edifying and they're honest in their intention)

[@velociraptor3313]

Most of the movies that I watch are either older Hollywood movies like Lawrence of Arabia, Zulu, Conan The Barbarian, Waterloo (1970), or foreign movies like the eight hundred, Dien Bien Phu (1992), Seven Samurai, Yojimbo Throne Of Blood and Ran. When it comes to modern Hollywood I despise their hypocrisy, their lack of creativity and their virtual signalling nonsense. I've also started rewatching Game Of Thrones seasons one-four.

[@velociraptor3313]

@dlairdiablo When it comes to recent movies I love Joker, 1917, Midway, Bullet Train, Top Gun Maverick and They Shall Not Grow Old. If it's got a great story with interesting characters and if it's a movie about a history with historical accuracy then I'm in but if it's a cringe fest of political agendas and awful characters and terrible story telling then no. I'm a twenty four year old man that loves history, mythology, 80s action movies and great characters with good morals. I also can't stand the Marvel humour and I stopped watching the MCU after Endgame.

[@velociraptor3313]

@dlairdiablo I agree mate, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Anyway I'm going to sleep now, take care.

[@debbiehenri345]

Same here. Buying older movies and TV series now, not even tempted to watch new stuff. This irritating wokeism isn't just affecting sci-fi, fantasy and superhero movies, it's even getting into bloody Jane Austen! (Netflix - Persuasion. Chronically bad. Austen fans - male and female - hate that with all the passion of betrayed Star Wars fans).

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

house of dragon is decent

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

You should get into anime

[@A.Campbell]

They'll come crawling back to the mainstream audience once the money runs out

[@adamshearer693]

When they lose enough money hopefully they will ditch the virtue signalling

[@notusingmyname4791]

People keep saying that, but has anyone actually closed their Disney+ accounts and cited the wokeness as to why they are closing their accounts to disney?

[@mr_indie_fan]

Idc if they ditch it or not, i've ditched hollywood and im never going back.

[@alphen9676]

Disney+ is different though because there is a hefty amount of legacy for the platform to stand on. It would fall apart if it relied solely on modern work from sjw infiltration.

[@lordanoos5720]

dankula's accent is so strong that it makes drinker sound British

[@KhaoticFrosty]

Getting out Scot by another Scotsman is such a Scot thing.

[@mr_indie_fan]

@@KhaoticFrosty as an irish man i can't really confirm this but ill drink to it anyway! 🍻

[@waynemcleod6767]

Och, Aye.

[@taudvore259]

When you say “sound British” do you mean sound English? Scotland is (at least for now) part of Britain. All Scottish people are British.

[@ZoopsMind]

You mean English, I assume. "British" means "from the island of Britain". That includes the Welsh, the Cornish, the English, the Scottish and all the variations thereof. British and English are not synonymous.

[@rhys5958]

They tried to fit Lance Reddick into a role fit for Dolph Lundgren

[@bZman]

and he was the best part of that turd of a show

[@rhys5958]

Without a doubt, but even he can’t polish a turd as valuable an actor as he is

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@rhys5958 He was sadly, given terrible mterial that makes Resident Evil 6 gold standard writing, and that's my crap story, fun game guilty pleasure.

[@fishjones4618]

Lance Reddick oozed badass on Fringe. At first you think he’s this sexist asshat with the way he just berated Olivia Dunham in the pilot. But once you realize he was just making sure she had the stuff to be in Fringe (because it’s revealed they had tried other people in the past) and had her back to the point of risking his job and reputation for her, he’s always been in her corner from the start.

[@solarsailer4166]

If they're not making money, the lunacy can only go on for so long.

[@sheaderrick8290]

Glad to see Dankula interacting with The Drinker. Two of my favorite internet folk finally coming together.

[@Coproquim]

The biggest joke about She-Hulk is that nobody is wolf whistling that 4/10 in the street

[@reegez7688]

I’m 34 years old, I think I may have witnessed someone cat call a woman in the streets maybe three times in my entire life.

[@Coproquim]

@@reegez7688 I’m near 40, and they definitely stamped that kind of shit out in the late 90’s

[@wpjohn91]

Yeah, in my 30s as well and seen only 2 van drivers whistle at women. Have seen quite a few people insult women out of cars though. Calling women slags etc for short clothing

[@SteveCossaboom]

@@reegez7688 Im 63 and even in the 80s that kind of behaviour was rare. Nothing now.

[@EyeofValor]

I'm a 28 year old man and I was cat called twice by woman, once when I was 14 and second when I was 19. Never seen a man do it.

[@GregorMima]

Yeah., Imagine Maverick would came out in the 90ies. With all the competition it would have been good/ok at best. But nowdays we a starved for a good fun movie. Like you said bacon for a dire wolf.

[@kyleshockley1573]

In a post-modern workplace like the one these studios have created, the only rational is what's politically or culturally expedient in the moment in relation to one's career. Which is always changing, because post-modern. In that sort of work or social environment, ostracism and accountability are the greatest fears. No joy, no risks, no care for what's made other than the bare minimum. Which is why this is always a major pathologically reoccurring theme in entertainment these days, even down to the marketing. "Don't like it? Obviously you need to be wished away into the corn field. Better you than me. We didn't f*ck up. You did, audience." Anything else from themes to subtext to consistency story-wise are a distant second to this Fear. And fear without recourse tends to create irrationality. Which goes some way to explain the inconsistency in the writing or story arcs or lore or what have you. And so this successful recreation of the McCarthyism they kvetched about for decades, in order for executives and managerial to pass the buck and never be on the wrong side of history or a failed franchise... this informs everything about their products. Unabated fear ruins creativity.

[@CoryTheRaven]

Every workplace has always had elements of that, but the fear of the buck stopping with you seems to be especially poignant now.

[@kyleshockley1573]

@@CoryTheRaven Shit rolls downhill, sure. But like you point out, it's metastasized to what it is now, not wanting to be on the wrong side of (this week's) history. In the workplace of all things. What solidified this Fear?

[@crazymcgee3604]

Fear is fine as long as that fear is justified. The fear of creating a bad product is what drove studios to put in the extra work to tell a good story even better (or at least make a bad story presentable). The fear was justified; if I make a bad bit of media then I won't have a job come the holidays. The fear in modern Hollywood is unjustified; the fear of not going along with 'The Message' drives them to create media that appeals to a minority of a minority of people, a group that neither would view the studio's work nor ever will. The point is not to make enjoyable media; the point is to drive studios to make propaganda. The 'New Fear' is a post-modern fear, a fear of an amorphous, ever-changing ideology. How are studios supposed to create entertainment when faced with that? What is censored today is lifted tomorrow only to be censored again next week. No wonder modern media is a pale imitation of what it was; the fear of failure is gone.

[@kyleshockley1573]

@@crazymcgee3604 Fear of failure is a good point. Or what was otherwise known as being self aware and wanting to do a good job. I think the people that initially implement and sign off on the fear culture in entertainment, they're mostly high to mid managerial. They make phone calls and send emails. To them, outside of the power they wield or can brag about within their own small sphere, I suspect they don't have very fulfilling purpose. They facilitate operation, they don't actually make or create the thing. And the fear of failure in terms of achieving successful benchmarks by catering to what was traditionally "the audience," they see it as being subject to one kind of mob that's fickle with its judgments about what's good or bad product. You can't please everyone on the Internet, no matter how well you've done your main job. So, to them, in order to fulfill themselves on an existential or moral level, they switch the focus from catering-to-consumers to catering-to-activists. It's basically trading one devil for the next to them. They still fear the mob, but now it's done in a way that soothes their need for having purpose and being good people. And they float in an ecosystem where they're able to share that goodness with fellow coworkers and the public on Twitter. With the added bonus that this also muddies the water for if they reached those traditional benchmarks for having a successful product. "No, it's the children that are wrong," because the purpose now is higher than just doing a good job. At least so long as everyone is gaslit by the current zeitgeist.

[@palanthis]

Let's hope so. I am so sick of it all. I am also sick of all of the bundling. I am old enough to have seen the progression. It started with "what do you care what two consenting adults in their own bedroom". Moved to "who are you to tell two people that love each other that they can't get married. Then it was "you also have to support boys who think that they're girls". Followed swiftly by "we need to restrict speech because you could hurt the feelings of the mentally ill and the attention seekers". Now we've added "don't be mean about people who are attracted to children." We also now have "we can so mutilate YOUR children if we want to". When does it STOP?! Slippery slope was 100% correct. People gave an inch to try to be kind, now they've taken a million miles.

[@busking6292]

Yes,I'm reminded of the anti-smoking lobby's 'ALL we want is advertising tobacco products to be banned,THAT'S IT !!' oh yeah ? really ? so they got their way, went away happy and the 'lobby' disbanded er...in your fucking dreams !! now they're a puritan army trying to make smoking a capital offence.

[@Pers0n97]

The slippery slope was never a fallacy.

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

You think it started with gay rights because that's what you personally don't like. Why not say it started with interracial marriage? Or divorce? Or allowing men who didn't own property to vote?

[@meghanachauhan9380]

Man are you sure? If things didn't start to slip you wouldn't have a democracy. It was the same sjw clowns who fought so hard to wrestle power away from the elites. No sjws = no liberal democracy. Wonder why they're so powerful? Because it's really their democracy. Your fuckin constitution was written by a sjw brother 🤷

[@alexconnor8961]

She hulk literally did the same shit that abomination did. He went back to prison to be held accountable. Whilst she hulk gets her charges dropped as if nothing ever happened! It was the most self absorbed Mary Sue bullshit I've ever seen

[@jacksimpson8529]

To be completely fair, Abomination did FAR worse than what Jen did. - His rampage actually killed people, and he even went out of his way to cause casualties. She-Hulk, thankfully, didn't hurt anyone, though that was really more dumb luck than her trying, considering that she smashed through a wall with no idea who might be on the other side of it. - He refused to surrender and had to be beaten down by the Hulk, while Jen stood down voluntarily. Though you are right in that she should have been held accountable instead of just getting off instantly with an inhibitor, I'd argue against saying that what she did was "the same" as what Abomination did.

[@exhaustguy]

@@jacksimpson8529 All his criminality was conducted after he was injected with Ross' K-Mart superhero serum. Actually he needed Matt Murdoch for his first trial. John Walker just had his pension and rank stripped - he didn't go to jail (of course he just killed a helpless enemy combatant but he did inject himself without authorization). Blonsky was following orders when he received the injection. She-Hulk was a missed opportunity to explore these points and so many others regarding the intersection of super heroes and the legal system - instead we got crap like the wedding, Blonsky's retreat, and the final awful f you to the fans.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@jacksimpson8529 I get your point, still doesn’t matter. Both should still go to jail because what they did was illegal. Sure, one was worse than the other but that doesn’t change anything. Just because a guy killed 20 people and another guy robbed a house, it doesn’t mean the “less illegal” one gets off Scott free.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Giant self insert by showrunner Gao

[@marychocolatefairy]

Yeah, not to mention Titania. She provides one of She Hulk's very few moments of actual superhero-ness when she breaks into the courtroom - yet the charges are dropped without explanation, and she goes free to start a new business and whatnot. Did we even find out what her courtroom antics were about? It's like they set her up as She Hulk's nemesis and then were like, "Well, she can't ACTUALLY be She Hulk's nemesis because she's a woman!"

[@Gymmeditator]

Once you start to acknowledge Twitter is just white noise then it loses all it’s gravitas, if there was any in the first place. Let them squabble in the meta verse with all this false pretence, like ships in the night, there’ll be no f*** given

[@AldrickExGladius]

nothing better to start the day then a cup of coffee, a full packed bowl, and a Drinker's Chasers video. Its gonna be a great day!

[@bucky7162]

Just woke up about an hour ago my man, had some bacon eggs and am currently rolling a fat blunt. have a good one!

[@DakaloMooi_05]

@@bucky7162 dude it's a weekday

[@mattg5791]

@@DakaloMooi_05 All the more reason

[@bucky7162]

@@DakaloMooi_05 Blaze ittt. And what difference does it make what day it is? Every day is the same they all end with a Y :)

[@andrewdavies5835]

It's now just a matter of the time lag between what gets greenlit and what the bottom line ends up as. The receipts are starting to show. And in the end Hollywood cares more about the money than the message.

[@boobah5643]

Well, it's not clear that's the case. On the other hand, if nobody buys your movies, pretty soon you won't have the resources to make any more. The trick, then, is to convince the people who do still have money that the problem wasn't "people hate movies."

[@SeasideDetective2]

So if the "money" part is the one that's reprehensibly hypocritical, why condemn the message?

[@trevorthornley8835]

It's actually: THE MESSAGE

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@trevorthornley8835 But what if non-famous, ordinary people were preaching "the message" to you? Would you listen then?

[@Iron-Bridge]

No. They'll go where the money and influence points. There will be no rehabilitation.

[@newhorizons1]

Basically She Hulk demands to speak to the manager 🤣

[@kouvhaakash2477]

They will never stop because it was never and never will be about the money. These people are fighting a war against you , and until you understand that, you will always misunderstand their actions.

[@chriswatson9364]

“You make someone angry enough times, they stop watching” Star Wars! Kenobi was the last straw for me. I only recognise 1-6, Rogue One and Mandalorian. I’m worried about Mando S3 though. Firing Gina was definitely wrong

[@mrcliff3709]

Last Jedi was my last straw. While I enjoyed the Force Awakens at the time( yes it was basically a New Hope reskinned but I rationalized it at the time as being safe) the Last Jedi made me feel nothing as I left the theater and as I drove home and thought of what I saw I started getting the feeling that my time was utterly wasted. That is a great sin in a movie period. So I closed my wallet to Lucasfilm forever after

[@MagcargoMan]

How does Rogue One fool so many people? It's boring and dull AF.

[@mrcliff3709]

@@MagcargoMan besides a few parts I agree with you pal

[@markgundle4150]

@@MagcargoMan It’s a slower burn, I’ll give you that. Boring…eh, arguable.

[@Balandrus]

Rogue One is more bastardizing of the EU, and just wasted potential. Donnie Yen (Ipman) was cast to appeal to China, but they gave one of the best martial arts actors of the time _one_ fight sequence of any note. The entire cast is unlikable, except for Alan Tudyk voicing the droid. Everyone dies, so there's no reason to get invested, if you even found a reason to. Vader's scene at the end was the only good part of the movie, but it was ruined by having Leia's ship flee right in front of him. It really messes with continuity. And then Disney made a series about Andor, the most unlikable one of the bunch. The only decent Star Wars has been Mandalorian, and that's because of Favreau. The fact they haven't kicked Kennedy to the curb is astonishing.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Woke activist lunacy will eventually end, as all things eventually do. The question is; what will the long term impacts be?

[@GeorgieQuidd]

the fact no one has said "Wesker Snipes" yet in relation to that scene is a crime!

[@mat2000100]

Turning Wesker into Simon Phoenix might have worked.

[@xXevilsmilesXx]

😲 😅🤣

[@BruvaBob]

Ladies and gentleman, witness for the first time ever, 2 Scotsmen having a coherent conversation understandable to all around the world. You trend setter's you!

[@anteviktor]

"Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait...." Me: "drinker and dankula!"

[@timwhite5562]

I'm almost compulsive when it comes to the "f'ck you" factor, even when I know I'd be better served to just go along the program (no pun). Often I'll find myself arguing a position I might not even really hold just because some d-bag told me I have to. The easiest way to get me to stop doing something that I'm already doing is to put it into a "yeah, you better" context. Nothing irritates me more than when I find that I have to defend someone I can't stand because someone is trying to force their will on them.

[@LordBaktor]

I have that same problem and also a strong aversion to being labeled. I remember one of the only times I felt actually offended was when some girl that was a friend of a friend told me "I already know the type of guy you are and how you think" just fifteen minutes after meeting me for the first time. I usually keep my cool but that made me furious. Of course she was miles off the mark when she tried to guess anything about me, which made me feel somewhat vindicated, but the bollocks on that woman to say something like that to basically a stranger. Boils my blood just thinking about it.

[@timwhite5562]

@@LordBaktor agreed

[@enginerdicon2233]

I know exactly how you feel, dude. I’m the same way lol. High “f*** you factor”

[@CMCAdvanced]

Just be wary of reverse psychology

[@heraldofwar]

Only when those at the top start loosing money we might see them hiring people with talent, experience or passion instead of the right opinion and people they know within the industry who are more interested in aggravating fans than making a good show!

[@Lonovavir]

Slimy managers will always fire their employees instead of taking a financial hit themselves. They don't even care about their investors.

[@johnduquette7023]

Only if they're funded by Blackrock, and not everywhere is.

[@clogs4956]

If they lose money, they’ll lie about it and claim their show is the bestest evar in order to attract more investors. One day, the whole scheme will implode, but it could take a while.

[@rhiannejones3815]

Are there any talented people in the system that can replace all the current drivel / they’re at every level and being educated that way

[@clogs4956]

@@rhiannejones3815 they're out there, keeping their heads down and staying quiet. More of them than you think, just as there's more of us than the Woke.

[@ZeroKitsune]

With the whole discussion of how companies hurt their long-term profitability by chasing short-term trends...I see it like there's a hidden value that every company has: their reputation. You can spend it to get away with pissing people off and get your short-term profits, but it's not easy to get that lost reputation back. There's always a limit to how much you can keep it up before it's destroyed and needs DECADES to build up again...if the company doesn't just go bankrupt first from not being able to change their minds fast enough.

[@DarthEvilicus]

Activism has been in Hollywood for generations but they were subtle about it. Now they don’t even try to hide their agenda. Being talentless and lacking creativity doesn’t help with the subtlety

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

The problem the Woke mob have is that the everyday average viewers are spotting it now and are turning off. The movie shareholders and financers care little about the content of the movies they are funding, but only about the return. They are firstly noticing that their movies aren't making the money they should be and now they know and understand why because the Woke has gotten so bad and so blatant. So they are inevitably going to hit back. It probably started with Top Gun Maverick - that was the movie to show the higher ups money can still be made. What I worry is that BP2 will set us back in this battle against the Woke mob. But getting guys like Cavill as Supes back is a huge boost and I hope the start of the changes we see.

[@exhaustguy]

Toy and other merchandise as well. Disney is dangerously burning through their goodwill IP.

[@macmcleod1188]

The reason they are cutting it off is because it's become associated with bad writing, poor plotting, bad endings.

[@darthgamer9861]

Mr Enter used to say this “pointing out your problems does not make them go away!”

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Of course, _Top Gun: Maverick_ Did have a message about diversity, with the new female and ethnic minority characters. But it was subtle, and based on a principle of equal opportunity which almost everyone can agree with. It didn't hijack the plot for some heavy-handed and divisive identitarian messaging. I think we're now seeing the delayed fallout of the various progressive "reckonings" over the past few years. Activists managed to get themselves hired and commissioned through Twitter campaigns. And now those companies are realising that those people's ideas are actually unpopular, and their work is crap.

[@minamo4012]

Movie can reflect the world we're living, but I really don't understand how every major company get it wrong. It's not reflect what "it" is as it is, it's about reflecting the deeper problem even the deepest problem cause the "it", that's what makes people think and wonder.

[@Grymbaldknight]

The two most reasonable and funny Scotsmen in the KZbin sphere. Please colab again.

[@WrathDrago]

Nah they won't give up on the activism, might tone it down a little. But with things like quota casting and pandering to ' modern audiences ', it is not going away. This is the bed the west and entertainment made, and they won't be leaving that bed at all and seem pretty happy to sleep in it, fans and IP be damned, in my opinion.

[@leonrobinson8180]

A bit of activism is good, as long as its done in a positive way. Look at Star Trek.

[@foxfox-xx3zk]

"Given it a fair shake" is the fist step to becoming a good partner. Well done Count Dankula.

[@book3100]

They aimed to break all the stuff. They broke enough of it i don't want the rest.

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

I love that Critical has this "media Scot accent" he's practiced. But everytime he ties up with Dankula, his accent gets a little rougher. Like me and my fam. Here, everyone goes "Southern gentlemen, what a lovely accent", get drunk or hang out with River Rat Rednecks or Cajuns and I sound like i just walked off the Appalachians. I'm betting after a night of drinking these two sound like an earthquake trying to talk to one another.

[@James_F_Ewart]

Holy shit! The Drinker AND Count Dankula?!? Two of my favourite Scots (that aren’t family) on one stream.

[@margarinesnatcher]

Who isn't family in Scotland?

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@margarinesnatcher the SNP.

[@DarthQueefious]

You'll know it's being ditched when the Oscars et al. ditch the woke requirements (which are planned to get even more stringent in the next few years). Studios want nominations and awards so until then it will continue

[@fattiger6957]

The audience doesn't care about the Oscars anymore. The show got record low ratings last time it was on TV.

[@boobah5643]

Like the Pulitzer's and most industry awards, they're an example of self-fellatio. To be fair, there are nominally fan-driven awards that have gone much the same way, like science fiction's Hugos.

[@thechuckjosechannel.2702]

The Oscar's Suck. award shows are big Circle Jerks.

[@SimuLord]

The Oscars are a joke to everyone except the Academy.

[@pistoneteo]

Sadly, I hardly doubt it.

[@looinrims]

They don’t learn by logic, they’ll do the right thing as a last resort, hope the bank managers don’t mind the time difference.

[@flintsrevenge4356]

My favourite part is when Sadoq told the other Harfoots that ‘I ain’t got time to bleed’.

[@ivanekkk1269]

Best thing I heard was at 5:43 “ We made giant pile of shit and we knew you were going to call it giant pile of shit. So it doesn’t count “😂😂😂

[@johnnhoj6749]

Sorry, but some slightly wonky film history from The Count here. The Hayes Code (sic) was pretty much effective from the early 1930s to the early 1960s. What's usually thought of as the the golden era of the Hollywood Studios. Yes it was hugely restrictive, mainly about sex, violence and making sure that evil-doing was ultimately seen to be punished, but it had an unintended side effect. Film makers who wanted to make more edgy, adult films had to be clever about it. They couldn't just blatantly show forbidden stuff, they had to imply it or find other ways to get their meaning across. Contrary to what The Count said, there were plenty of anti-heroes, often played by the likes of Bogart, Mitchum, Kirk Douglas, Edward G Robinson, Cagney, Brando etc. By the late 1950s/early 1960s the power of the Hollywood Studios was waning anyway largely due to Ant-Trust laws and society was moving on. Yes, there was some foreign influence on American filmmakers from the French New Wave films but those films had only limited success and exposure among general audiences. The final nail in the coffin of the Hayes Code is often cited as being The Pawnbroker of 1964. Although A Fistful of Dollars was released in Italy in late 1964, it wasn't released in the USA until 1967, by which time the Hayes Code was long dead.

[@Lammy4ever7]

This. I didn't like his take either

[@zerovalon6243]

Nice!!!! Dank and the Drinker united at last!!

[@frankjoyce76]

I love both these guys but we definitely need subtitles.

[@BeardedDanishViking]

@@frankjoyce76 Naah, not at all. Most people understand them just fine :3

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

@@frankjoyce76 maybe you need them because you can't understand anything but Yankese.

[@ianlassitter2397]

Judging by BP 2, I’d say NOPE, still going strong…

[@S3aChange]

Went to the cinema today, there was an advert about "the integrity of BBC journalism" hahaha.

[@drewmac4046]

Love the count ❤️ awesome to see you 2 collaborate 👌

[@vnkfrancis1328]

Something tells me, they'll use more subtle and insidious methods to push "THE MESSAGE".

[@k.o.whyyoupressinbuttons]

I think so, too but there's a few complications with that: the Twitter mob and sjw activists will not be satisfied with subtle. It needs to be loud, front, and center. Also, enough of the mainstream audience has caught on to "the message" and even attempts at subtlety will be analyzed, exposed (by content creators like Drinker) and avoided by segments of the audience, like what is currently happening. I agree with you, I'm just not sure how you preach about this stuff without ot being so obvious.

[@vnkfrancis1328]

@@k.o.whyyoupressinbuttons Well, if there is a will, there's a way.

[@thetacopunch]

oh boy 5 Am!

[@daizee106]

Never Forgive Them, EVER!

[@ZeroOhNine]

_"...They're the court jesters of our world."_ -- Very well said. 👏🏻

[@HouseOfAlastrian]

It really does appear as though Warner Bros-Discover is the canary in the coal mine. Out of all the big entertainment companies, they can no longer afford the luxury of indulging hack writers who resort to fan baiting and berating the 'toxic' fandom to make up for their lack of talent. Apparently the Rings of Power showrunners were fired... but I'll wait to hear more credible sources report this before I buy into that. I also have to wonder if the executives at Disney may be looking at the surprise success of Werewolf By Night contrasted with She-Hulk. But at the end of the day, we've been burned so much, so hard, for so many years now that even the slightest flicker of hope that it can be turned around looks suspicious.

[@exhaustguy]

RoP is filming Season 2 right now. Shocked they hadn't halted production to figure this out. I guess just film a bunch of action scenes and ensue that you have two cameras during dialog with one always pointing at the speaker's back so you don't see there lips moving. Yes fix it post-production. That will go well.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

If Wherewolf by night gets a sequel it is going to be a woke sequel. We know the drill by now.

[@beauxr.benoit1374]

Actually there is a way to put a message into a T.V. Series, It was called Star Trek: The Next generation. DS-9 and Voyager did this pretty good too. The thing is that you make a good entertaining show first and entertain whoever is watching and whatever you are saying in that episode is given out in a mature interesting thought provoking way but also has to be an important part of what the episode is.

[@benstanley3169]

Great conversation by both. Enjoyed listening. We just want good entertainment and story telling

[@niklasmaier2664]

i rly dont think so, but i can just go back to reading good old books

[@dannypope1860]

I’m not sure it’s going away. I think people are just becoming numb to it, and that’s what they wanted.

[@mr_indie_fan]

I haven't gone to a hollywood movie since paws of fury (a very non woke movie) and quite frankly i never will. I've gone full indie!

[@djdadbod]

Great conversation

[@fauxshowyo]

no one ditches the Ideology. The Cathedral won't allow it. It's not about money, it's about sending a message. The Ideology forever. No family, no individual, no religion, only the Ideology.

[@SuperGoose42]

Scotsmen and Irishmen always fall deeper into their accents in the present of a stronger accent, it's always entertaining to see especially combined with swearing 😂

[@Zerofightervi]

You'd think with the films that have done well vs the films that have flopped that the penny might have finally dropped. I go to the cinema to be entertained not to be preached to. I went to see TopGun Maverick, the first film since lockdowns lifted. Haven't seen anything since.

[@ge9367]

Never thought I'd see this collaboration!

[@curtbrown554]

My wife and I have just stopped watching TV and movies altogether, along with professional sports.

[@dashippo5896]

Most important aspect is... us "trolls" are the ones most invested in the stories and lore. We're the ones who spend the most money... Why come after us lol

[@mikeballew8385]

I enjoyed and appreciated the conversation, but I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Production Code was meant to accomplish. The Production Code was meant to make as many movies as possible "censor-proof" throughout the United States so that they would not be chopped to bits by local censor boards. It also helped bring most movies in line with the established standards of censor boards in other countries. Even in the 1940s and 1950s, there did not exist One Unified Opinion about what society could be or should be, and in Hollywood, there did not exist a monolithic vision of what movies were meant to accomplish. I am researching a book that takes a close look at the American movie industry in the early 1950s, and I can assure you there were liberals and conservatives throughout Hollywood, often working side by side without rancor.

[@bewmdogg]

The reason Top Gun Maverick worked was because it was pretty much a remake of 1986 Top Gun and as such has the lack of woke messaging in it. Which is why it worked.

[@commandervile394]

More than a remake, it was a successful sequel that did everything the first movie did, but better. It's very uncommon, especially nowadays, when a sequel can outperform the original. It has even got people who never saw the first movie, to go back and watch it too.

[@MagcargoMan]

That's why it felt so pointless, because making a borderline remake after 30 years just feels like waste of time and effort.

[@exhaustguy]

Actually it was a Top Gun and A New Hope mash up. If you are going to borrow, borrow from the best. I have yet to hear much regarding Mitchell as basically being a super hero - he must be a mutant to accomplish what he did especially at his age.

[@edwardmullan2724]

@@commandervile394 the dialogue in Maverick was pretty terrible, script didn't have the charm and humour of the first one, but the action and the pacing of the second half was brilliant.

[@commandervile394]

@@edwardmullan2724 Yeeeah I can agree with that, but then again the dialogue in the first movie wasn't exactly shakespearean poetry either, lol. People watch Top Gun for the one-liners, music and action scenes, though.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

Hollywood needs to learn the lessons of their foolishness, such as stop promoting people who keep failing into the jobs that should be reserved for people with actual talent!

[@tcook6759]

Wish I could push like 100 times. Very well done.

[@mxvega1097]

I totally wanted Res Evil to get a second season just so Charlie's Angel Wesker could go toe to toe again with the GIANT PSYCHEDELIC CATERPILLAR and the screeching queen zom. Best season evah!!

[@GIBBO4182]

I missed this episode!! 2 of Scotland’s finest

[@jsr9617]

This was fun to watch. You guys make a great pair.

[@catherinewinter6547]

Two of the best and most brilliant minds out there. Thank you, Drinker and Dankula.

[@SgtSpecOps1]

This video has been an inspiration Drinker. I have been working with a friend on venturing out and creatting a table-top RPG and with most of the combat rules set down, we started discussing what the world and back-drop of the game would be (we had a basic premisse written down, only a paragraph long) but being very honnest I think this video opened my eyes to the reality of creating works of art/fiction/entertainment: we dont need to say anything about current day political or social topics to make something that people will enjoy/want to play. I say this (and its a bit of a confession I guess) because I have been trying to find the courage to tell my friend that I dont want the lore to include any socio-political jargon at all, but at the time, when we began the early draft, he said something like "Lets make the backdrop of the game a "Global Warming gone wrong with a Pandemic virus on top, turns the world into post-apocaliptic wasteland". I did not say anything at all at the start, but now that we're playing that angle, I am starting to not like it: even after he assured me that "we're not gonna be preaching to people that (potential) play it", it still feels like preaching, it still feels like, us the creator's, are in a sense, brow-beating players into "Ei, you!? Have you been thinking about this issue more? Shoulnd't you pay more atention to this issue!?". I think my take away from watching you and Dankula giving your line of thought on this, especially when you mentioned Top Gun Maverick, made a little light turn on in my head that said: "Yeah, we dont need to doing this type of stuff. We can entertain, tell a tale for the ages instead of cheap pot-shot's at socio-political issues that come off as preachy". Thank you for the video. Good food for thought and insightfull!

[@boobah5643]

Well, for what it's worth, you can totally have that as the idea behind your setting. But that doesn't mean that it's relevant to anyone actually living in that world's modern day. _Gamma World_ doesn't say all that much about global thermonuclear war for all that that's the background of the setting, and most characters would have mixed feelings about preventing the war even if they could.

[@SgtSpecOps1]

@@boobah5643 Thats fair enough, i'll think about a bit more before talking to my friend about changing the backdrop of the setting then.

[@Sorain1]

@@SgtSpecOps1 Best argument I can think to suggest for you is "Do we want this setting to age well or be a flash in the pan?" because the political/social topics thing will make it the latter. Potentially, you might challenge your friend to write 'the same lore, without using that jargon' and then compare how both versions read. That might get through to them the issue with the word choice. Another option I would suggest is to posit "What lore would we write for this setting if none of that was happening?" In the way that "What if this was written in X time period?" can spur creative directions of thought. Best of luck to both of you on this endeavor.

[@SgtSpecOps1]

@@Sorain1 thank you for your suggestion. Ill definitly try that and pass the thought on to him!

[@Jabberstax]

I don't think they are anywhere close to ditching the bullshit. It's what their whole lives are centred around.

[@blingbling574]

Social media has made more, bigger and organized activist groups. The organizers are very well funded with donations. Hollywood has its back to the wall. We even had one of these organizer/leaders run for mayor where I live.

[@arturgacek87]

Mądrego dobrze posłuchać. It's good to listen a clever man.

[@summer7603]

I can't wait for this Open bar. Cmon Time move faster! 😤

[@WayStedYou]

This is from drinker and dank talking about event horizon

[@summer7603]

@@WayStedYou oh dang did I miss that thanks I'll look for it 👍

[@kateris1976]

Let's be honest, movies always had some kind of message to convey. Just look at the 60's and the 70's, it's a joke to say that there were no politics involved. The difference is that they didn't shove it in our faces like they do today and the characters were better written, with their flaws and their struggles. Most important, they weren't preaching, or make you feel bad that you're like this and not like that.

[@benseac]

Yep. Messages in movies are way more tolerable when the message is wrapped up in an good, entertaining package. Now they just don't seem to care much about the entertainment aspect of it.

[@bartoszkrawczyk5921]

Yep. Even the action movies of the 90s, ones everyone looks back at fondly, had a message you can spin into a political statement, but if you absolutely want to ignore it you can do just that. Like, look at Demolition Man. On the surface, it is a movie about a big morally dubious man going wild in the future to catch a super-criminal, and it is absolutely fine to see it as just that. But underneath you see the criticism of autoritharian turbo-sanitization of society that creates weak people completely unprepared to deal with ONE person not following the rules. Criticism of complete anarchy, which is unable to feed people. And the statement that somewhere in the middle, there is that perfect sweet spot between order and liberty that creates a good society. Nowadays, message cannot be subtle. "You will get beat over the head with it, and you will like it, peasant, or we will call you racist sexist homophobe on Twitter".

[@kateris1976]

@@bartoszkrawczyk5921 Dog day afternoon with Al Pacino was about a guy robbing a bank so that his male lover could have a gender reassignment surgery. In the 70's. Just think how this movie would be if it was made today.

[@tool2158]

@@bartoszkrawczyk5921 Not only is the message nowadays often not subtle, but also very superficial. It's mainly about gender, skin color, LGBT etc. So there are 2 aspects that are inferior.

[@andrewwiltse8882]

You’ve been predicting this for years now!! Great video guys! ✌️🍻

[@feck2594]

So great watching two of the best KZbinrs together having a conversation about the state of Hollywood.

[@ThePrecipice66]

I could watch The Drinker and The Count bouncing off one another all day.