Drinker's Chasers - Rotten Tomatoes Busted! Fake Reviews And Bribery

[@Paetaor]

The Dave Chapelle ranking of 0% professional and 99% audience was the final straw.

[@FLMKane]

Don't forget "what is a woman"

[@dean_l33]

@@FLMKane "Sound of Freedom" and the dreaded "Cuties" as well

[@MnemonicHack]

SW: A New Hope (Edit yes I got the name wrong, I get it, thank you, I was talking about the first movie in the new trilogy, I just got off work and was mindlessly tired, cut me some slack) was the movie where I decided Ud never trust the critics of the site, and would only occasionally even check it for anything. Sometimes I don't even agree with the audience; I thought Light-year was a decent movie and don't see the hate for it.

[@_toph_]

and the fauci doc being the polar opposite. almost 100% critic, almost 0% audience. they don't even try to hide the sham.

[@jackmesrel4933]

​@@MnemonicHack The problem with Lightyear is that it's a bland, mediocre movie who costed way too much for what it was. The most 5/10 animated movie I've seen outside of some kiddie, direct to DVD/streaming movies, but this one was on theaters were it really didn't belong. Can't even say the animation was that good, yes the level of detail in the texturas is neat, but outside of that, it has nothing going for it. It's not a bad BAD movie, mind you, and if you liked it then more power to you, but coming from motherflipping Pixar? Unacceptable, specially if, again, we consider how much it costed to make

[@maddlarkin]

This whole thing reminds me of a quote from one of my favourite books, "His loyalty could not be bought at any price, but it could be rented suprisingly cheaply"

[@lanelane800]

What book??

[@ryckarduhryckarduh180]

My favorite quote about loyalty is from Dwight, something like "I value loyalty more than anything, so if another company values my loyalty more I have no problem working for them"

[@maddlarkin]

​@lanelane800 The Traitors Hand by Sandy Mitchell, 3rd book in the Ciaphas Cain series its the preface quote from chapter nine. (Very much recommend the series if flashman in space sounds like your thing, they get a little repetitious in later books and a working knowledge of 40k helps but should be accessible enough if you don't)

[@michaelmcclintick9541]

What book was that from?

[@squishyhunter1744]

Love Ciaphas Cain. PancreasNoWork summed him up perfectly: "The emperor's silliest clown fighting his funniest battles."

[@SuperRambo111]

So you're telling me Hollywood lies, cheats and is just awful in general? The shock. 😂

[@HappyDude1]

Yes the horror ..... 😅 First disney now this And more will follow.... Maybe Trump was right Everything is fake news 😆

[@gaelofariandel6747]

In other news: "Water Is Wet!"

[@libertyprime2013]

Hollywood would do that? Just lie to people on the internet?

[@georgeorwell8501]

My fragile little mind can not handle such revelations

[@mikemontgomery2654]

I could feel your shock.

[@doghouse6413]

I used to go solely off of audience scores, but when they came out with “verified” audience, I knew the whole gig was up

[@davidmann2524]

The gig was up long before then. Lots of garbage out there with a billion bots voting for it. That’s why they did the verified audience thing.

[@busybillyb33]

Word of mouth has mostly replaced all these garbage review sites for me.

[@kraven94365]

​@@busybillyb33yup, a timeless way to get some reliable feedback. I ask people I know.

[@PChazman1]

"Verified" reviews mean nothing. Di$ney marketing will buy tickets, then turn around and put BS good "verified" reviews. That is why there were sold-out theaters that were practically empty during the Captian Marvel release.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Jig

[@planetbob6703]

I thought that was already well known for many years... A couple clowns called me a conspiracy theorist for pointing out that The Last Jedi always stayed at the same score for weeks. It would have logically gone up and down at least a little bit if the actual score wasn’t already below what they're showing and that's just the set minimum...

[@matchesmalone2625]

Well known. Never confirmed yet.

[@jimmyb79]

Obi Wan jumped from 53% to 61% reviewer score overnight mid-season. This wasn’t immediately after an episode. It already had 100,000’s of reviews so it would have taken 1000’s of only positive reviews in the space of a day. When I checked the latest reviews they were mostly negative. They definitely did something in the background to ensure the 60%+ fresh rating.

[@cccycling5835]

It’s not a conspiracy “theory” if it’s true. The moon landing was a “conspiracy theory”. Jeffrey Epstein hosting Bill Clinton many many times on his pedo island is not a “theory”.

[@filmandfirearms]

We've always suspected, but now it's actually being confirmed

[@j1337-l1n]

what do you mean, last jedi staying at the same score makes perfect sense. why would more people want to review it.

[@jamesmason721]

One of the most obvious ones to me was Captain Marvel. When I saw all the positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, I knew something was up.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Rotten Tomatoes has fake reviews? Imagine my shock.

[@doberski6855]

The sarcasm is strong with this one! 😂

[@ninjaartist1235]

I read this in Paul Watson’s voice

[@adamsinger123]

“I am shocked SHOCKED to find gambling in this establishment!” “Your winnings, sir….” 💰 “ahh yes, ahh, thank you…”

[@proto-geek248]

There there Have a seat Deep breaths

[@maciejstandup]

Mild shock

[@HamiltonLLB]

Rotten tomato legitimacy, and integrity, summed up with one show. “Rings of Power.” 🍅 84% 🍿 34%

[@_Uh_Oh_]

They never let it go below 33% or whatever too. And the negatives kept piling in, then mass moderation. Amazons own ratings was even more blatant with the moderated ratings and people being emailed to say there review was not wanted

[@onewayturtles]

No way 1/3 of viewers actually liked that dreck.

[@sigmacademy]

You're forgetting that most negative reviews get dumped ONLY if it is a studio movie. If it is an independent movie, I'm pretty sure there is ZERO "defense" for a privately made indie movie.

[@christopherpulliam8873]

Yep, it speaks volumes in a few words

[@liamphibia]

Gotta admire the audience scores from time to time. They're usually more honest than the critics themselves.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Saying Rotten Tomatoes provides balanced and accurate reviews is akin to saying Jimmy Fallon fosters a positive working environment.

[@Malum09]

You read that news too!

[@Dedbeatz.]

What happened with Fallon?

[@aaronaguilar4004]

​@@Dedbeatz.Fallon is a fallacio-giver...

[@sardonicspartan9343]

He serves his purpose and its time to replace him.

[@kobewan9028]

I love jimmy fallon what are u talking abt? My favorite kind of show is one where the host interviews guests and then talks about how great he is cause his name is jimmy fallon

[@sithazzazzin7329]

The way I used rotten tomatoes is to look at lowest "critic" scores and watch those movies and avoid those highly scored. Works every time.

[@ekscalybur]

So Rotten Tomatoes gets your eyeballs, frequently. Which is exactly what they want.

[@armi999]

There's a few good movies where critics agreed with audiences. I usually trust the unverified users score that they hide away.

[@MZ99698]

You just have had a great time watching GI Joe, Transformers 6 and The Eternals then 🙄

[@JimBob-vb8oz]

If you’re a bottom dwelling reviewer, $50 is $50

[@krissteel4074]

They are indeed a benthic creature that has probably been familiar with the taste of penis on a paid, case by case basis

[@dean_l33]

Not even enough for a handjob in this economy

[@kraven94365]

Ive seen sex workers charge more 😂

[@amadeusagripino6862]

​@@kraven94365 sex workers have more dignity than these "people"

[@WillieHoule]

​@@amadeusagripino6862XD

[@dougware]

IMDB reviews for Dial of Destiny were full of 8 or 9 star reviews and when you read the review it was "Nowhere near as good as the first three" or "I went with low expectations and they were met"

[@perandersson3977]

You were called a conspiracy theorist if you told people that rotten tomatoes "manipulated" their score. Now there is proof.

[@VG-fk6nk]

The unfortunate trend. Get called racist? It means you're right about a subject. Sexist? Right. Bigot? Right. Conspiracy theorist? Yep, you guessed it, right.

[@kaiiheenjik1668]

A conspiracy theory being true takes about a couple months to a year from now.

[@rookievideos8865]

Are you saying the theory of gravity must be bogus because it's a theory? I'm being facetious, but look at the words. Conspiracy. Theory. Now consider the following: 1. Do conspiracies exist, at least in potentia? 2. If so, what would you call a body of repeatedly proven hypotheses regarding a conspiracy?

[@amadeusagripino6862]

Doesn't matter if there's proof, some "people" will never acknowledge because they're too demoralized, as Yuri Bezmenov called.

[@Xbalanque84]

Knowing the type of NPCs we're dealing with, a significant number will still deny it, if only to spite you personally.

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

I always knew this was happening but seriously? For only $50 these critics were willing to do this? Guess that tells you how much their opinions are worth. Nothing. Zero self respect.

[@theeffete3396]

I would think that makes their opinion worth $50 🤔🤔🤔

[@realSpook]

I have never in my life looked to the ratings of critics, always audience opinions. I'm fine with them getting that $50 since their opinions mean nothing to me

[@caronstout354]

Isn't that the average cost of going to the movies in a "brick&mortar" these days?

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

@@theeffete3396 Their integrity is worth $50. It's not an opinion if it can be bought. It's just marketing.

[@zetastreaker47]

We should’ve known they were paid off when they gave TLJ a 90%.

[@Jasper_Silva]

Rotten Tomatoes is the worst method to aggregate reviews, but mainstream critics and Hollywood seem to like it cause it rewards mediocrity. Most mainstream movies or shows won't get under 60% in it, maintaining an illusion of quality.

[@Blu3-Fir3]

Correct. The normies also usually trust the reviews on there too because most of them don't have the time to look into how movies are actually scored behind the scenes. All they see is "certified Fresh" and assume something must be good.

[@proto-geek248]

Yup. I only trust my own eyes.

[@greggibson33]

@@proto-geek248 So you don't trust the Drinker's reviews either then... right? 😆

[@proto-geek248]

@@greggibson33 Yeah well, ok. There are always exceptions. I trust Drinker, Disparu, Chris, AZ, Nerdrotic & several others. I haven't trusted RT in a long time.

[@DamienDarkside]

@@greggibson33Nope, he's just an opinion on a movie. Anyone who takes a word like that is just asking to be manipulated. Drinker is clearly biased, but every online reviewer is. Your base of reviewers shouldn't be mostly these guys. It's more like "Well if he likes it I probably will like it", but Drinker and the lot does go on a bit over manufactured American fears.

[@sparkleypegs8350]

I have not read a main stream critics review (unironically) for at least 15 years. There is no point when the reviewers are not being honest.

[@mikemontgomery2654]

Even before that, with the likes of Siskel and Ebert, I stopped listening to them when they graded every film on whether or not it was “award worthy”. They would always pump the tires of awful movies and just drag on movies with things like childish comedy in them, the movies that weren’t meant to be taken too seriously.

[@arturzinurov4781]

Jeremy Jahns is pretty reliable still. I think he was one of the few critics who gave a positive score for joker if memory serves me right

[@goddepersonno3782]

it's remarkably handy for knowing the official narrative not that there is much of a narrative to movies, that's moreso with politics

[@mikemontgomery2654]

@@goddepersonno3782 I think the two go hand in hand. In either field, the narrative gets pushed.

[@TheSpoovy]

How does one read a review unironically? Or ironically for that matter?

[@blueblazer9991]

it's funny how Netflix One Piece's lowest critic reviews all have lines about complaining that the show tries too much to please fans

[@davidgantenbein9362]

To be fair, quite a lot of critics are snobs and consider themselves to be unique and not like the filthy fans. So I wouldn’t be surprised if that type of critic would (a) consider winning over the fans a bad thing and (b) wouldn’t have enough creativity to phrase it differently than all the other by the numbers snobs.

[@armi999]

Basically showing that they fail to understand the purpose of a film or show.

[@Сайтамен]

I mean, Ahsoka tries too. But it does so by breaking all logic to insert cameos in every episode.

[@FunPicard]

These critics reviewing content intended for normal people is akin to having Muslims review gay dating websites.

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@Сайтаменyet the critics praise that show for doing that. They are so bias

[@Oudeis000]

To quote Othello: “who steals my purse steals trash…But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him and makes me poor indeed.” How sad that these bribed reviewers regarded their reputations so cheaply!

[@StefunnyStrange]

I think this is impacting ticket sales as well. I used to go on websites like this to see if a movie was worth it, but now they lie so much that I don’t trust any of these sites. So many times I’ve been disappointed. Awful movies rated at 80% or above! Now I look on KZbin for non-spoiler reviews instead.

[@ricardomilos10]

We live in the age that every conspiracy theory ends up being true LMAO

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

"Conspiracy" "Theory".

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

@@TheWraith7 the term can also be used to hand wave almost any point by poisoning the well.

[@scottymacdewder5229]

burden of proof lies with who is pushing the narrative, not on who calls the narrative out on their BS... in the 21st century, if you are not a "conspiracy theorist" you aren't paying attention. If Questioning the word of known liars makes me crazy, I dont want to be sane.

[@DrakonR]

​@@TheWraith7lol. Keep slamming back that main stream propaganda and get your booster. 😂

[@frankjoyce76]

@@TheWraith7did you get your booster this year? Don't talk to us until you get another booster.

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

When the film studios have to bribe reviewers for a good copy, you know they are making shit.

[@ClevelandSteamer0]

And they know it.

[@caronstout354]

When they're not making up fake reviewers fron fake sources...

[@nzeusman8215]

Standard practice on any field really.

[@dun0790]

Couldn't this sort of thing be seen as misleading investors?

[@niallrussell7184]

all the PR is to get the tickets sold in first couple of weeks.. and they've made their $.. dust will settle with genuine reviews after.

[@fidel-3470]

I think so, and if you were an investor in one of the studios involved in this, you could start organizing a class action lawsuit. But the whole process of determining liability will take a long time, a lot of people will claim ignorance, and the studios have very powerful lawyers. The most juicy target here would be the big studios, and they're also the hardest target. Like, good luck going after Disney, they'll fight this for 10+ years, but are OBVIOUSLY deceiving the public's reviews and likely the box office sales, metrics that investors use to determine production quality and therefore the company's financial health.

[@richtea615]

If they can manufacture and lie about something as inconsequential as film reviews, just imagine what the machine is doing with regard to war and politics.

[@irishbob26]

I think your confusing 2 different things.

[@DrakonR]

​@@irishbob26lol. No confusion at all. You must love that main stream propaganda straight into the veins.

[@paulbangash4317]

Don’t even have to imagine it. Just watch the ‘news’.

[@irishbob26]

@DrakonR no I'm irish. I'm smart enough not to give a f about Americas retarded political situation. But just out of curiosity what machine are you referring to?

[@DigitalAsshat]

​@@irishbob26do you really believe you're not affected by the USA? We all are in the west (German here). The coof, the war, everything. All news organizations are in the hands of an influential few who also control politics. When my government states that water is wet I'll doubt even that.

[@scifidesign2]

The publishing industry has been plagued with paid for reviews for years.

[@VonChoker]

I just picture it more like the scene from Jurassic Park with Nedry sitting at a Colombian restaurant "Dodson, Dodson, we've got Dodson here" "Tomatoes, Tomatoes, we've got Rotten Tomatoes here" - and no body around gives a sh*t

[@rafaelzaragoza5757]

Costa Rican restaurant lol

[@bruhdon4748]

Like Chris said I think it’s less so the money & more so the power of being invited by studios to premiers and getting first access and special treatment by the studios, every media company and journalist wants the first exclusive look and story, the second you don’t play ball they won’t either.

[@michaelmarks1391]

Remember when Amazon brought all those Tolkien-themed youtubers and podcasters to the UK for a big viewing party? Every one of them insisted that they were independent and Amazon offered no compensation. (Other than an all-expense paid vacation to the UK, advanced screening, meeting show runners, etc.) Then they all started using the same copy to talk about Rings of Power. I dropped a few subscriptions that day.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@michaelmarks1391 that’s so cringe, hate it when people try and come across like they’re impartial and non biased but are bought and paid for by corporations

[@bruhdon4748]

@@michaelmarks1391 I hope nerd of the rings isn’t one of these? I like his videos would be a shame to find out he grifted for Amazon

[@michaelmarks1391]

@@bruhdon4748 I suspect he was but I can't say for sure. I can't remember. The one that got me was the Prancing Pony Podcast guys because I was listening to it a lot at the time. Critical Drinker, George the Giant Slayer, Just Some Guy etc did videos on it I'm sure you could dig up. It seems like all the creators involved went on to make a "I went to the UK for a Rings of Power preview and it was AWESOME!!!" video. EDIT: Yeah, he was. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGWQmGWomayhbM0 It doesn't mean his videos aren't any good, but just that he can't be trusted to be impartial.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@michaelmarks1391 damn dude, I didn’t realise that had happened at all, will look for the critical drinker video about it, really can’t stand people who become corporate shills like that, just lose all integrity and respect in my eyes

[@wesmantooth9686]

This is the reason you’ve become one of the if not the most respected critic. Keep being honest.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that this has been going on for years. I mean, just look at how the audience score for The Rise of Skywalker stayed at precisely 86% ever since its release, never once fluctuating either way from that percentile, no matter how many more reviews were added. Yet, for years, people like me were told to take our tin foil hats off whenever we called Rotten Tomatoes out on their shenanigans. To all those people who've insulted and belittled people like me (you know, people with an actual brain, who are able to see clear manipulation of scores), get on your knees and apologise.

[@_Uh_Oh_]

Rings of Power was hilarious too.

[@devlinallistair-zx5by]

Remove everyone who called you a conspiracy theorist from your life immediately.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

@@devlinallistair-zx5by Heh, I was refeering to strangers online (forums and whatnot).

[@devlinallistair-zx5by]

@@Right_Said_Brett ahhh. my comment still stands.

[@theinsurance2450]

Those same people didn't apologize when they call people who refuse the poke (C virus shot) evil, when it turn out the CDC themselves said it doesn't matter if you get poke or not. So why do you think they would apologize for this.

[@Hollyclown]

Ever since I saw Batwoman get a higher score than Joker, I knew that sight was rigged. Granted it was earlier than that, but that’s when I started noticing a trend.

[@xFlareLeon]

Joker is definitely a good movie, but I get more enjoyment out of Batwoman. With Joker it was a bleak, depressing slog about a mentally unstable man pushed beyond the breaking point that had almost nothing to do with Batman and made no sense fitting into the other movies. With Batwoman it feels a little more like a piece of Batman media, even if it's laughably poorly written with cringy feminist dialogue.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@xFlareLeon Joker was itself a standalone movie. Batwoman was, quite possibly, just a tax write off.

[@richardhunter132]

both Batwoman and Joker come from DC, which is a large media company, so I don't know why they would favour one over another

[@Omo-ragnolo96]

Joker is overrated

[@seeinred]

The only think i can say is "Just now?" Like, there was a clear fuckery with Captain Marvel when they just straight-up froze % of ratings. And that was ages ago.

[@devlinallistair-zx5by]

RT scrapped their "Want To See" gauge after that movie.

[@TheSlackrguy]

Great discussion. It seems like reviewers across many mediums (films, video games, action figures) are more than happy to give favorable coverage to those who grant them access.

[@TheSlackrguy]

@@Anoneemus_Noenayme Yeah, I hear phrasing like from Breaking Points too. I am pretty sure they narrow the scope and call it “access journalism” instead of media. It’s a real thing, unfortunately.

[@MariusWales]

Wait, people are shocked by this?

[@Nobleheart111]

No.

[@ryckarduhryckarduh180]

The point is not if you knew or not the point is they got caught, but for some reason half the comments are "I knew that already" yes, we all did, now stop making this about you and try to understand that its not about them being corrupt, its about them being caught doing it

[@Nobleheart111]

Why? Does it matter they got caught? Nothing will be done. Nothing will change. Focus on yourself, and know that liars should be ignored and shunned.@@ryckarduhryckarduh180

[@MariusWales]

@@Anoneemus_Noenayme I think it's more the media pretends it's news to them.

[@frostyfilmwatcher2148]

A lesson to all, never trust what a company says at face value. Do research yourself and make up your own damn mind.

[@chasehedges6775]

Exactly.

[@elone3997]

Yup, it's the only way to be sure...

[@chasehedges6775]

@@elone3997👍

[@pederjohansen2029]

"Trust the experts!.

[@georgejones3526]

Any time a company tells you they do things for any other reason than to make money, you know they are lying. Their only goal is to make as much money as possible regardless of any damage caused by doing so.

[@Scoley01]

Rotten tomatoes can’t be trusted!? (shocked face). I’ve known those people were dirty for years. Especially when they went to the verified audience score to try to boost the numbers on terrible movies, that was bullsh*t. There’s very few people I listen to when it comes to reviews. One of them is a man whose name escapes me at the moment, but he’s very critical, and he drinks a lot.

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

We’ve always felt and suspected this but now there’s definite proof.

[@TheBatman2022DC]

RT died the day the last jedi score came out!!!

[@MariusWales]

That’s when it began and ended.

[@planetbob6703]

Some clown called me a conspiracy theorist when I pointed out the score hadn't changed in weeks😂 They obviously set a minimum and tge actual score was already below that. Otherwise it would have moved up and down a little while new reviews were still coming in

[@need-to-know-]

@@planetbob6703 ask him, “how you like me now?”

[@SuperFitzieZX]

Or with that whole debacle with Captain Marvel too

[@davidcanty7903]

Fry "I am shocked! Shocked I tell you! Well not that shocked."

[@MrCdnBeef]

Definitely with you, Drinker. I would rather be hated for speaking the truth

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Chris Gore explains Prince Harry’s book being a bestseller. 😂

[@richtes]

It wasn’t? Waaaaah

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@richtes It was the best selling nonfiction book in the US. You can look it up if you want.

[@looinrims]

If game companies buy KZbin reviews and let’s plays (which they do) then yeah movie companies buying critics is way easier

[@c0d3warrior]

To be fair, I've found some really nice niche games through obviously paid let's-plays. I don't have a problem with that kind of advertising as the streamers show you exactly what kind of gameplay you'll have to expect and you have a fair chance to evaluate if the advertised product suits you. You'll have to be a bit sensitive about what they _don't_ say about the game, though. But even if you buy a game and realise later that it isn't as great as you hoped for, at least you supported some small indie dev and not a giant company that willingfully doesn't produce a better game.

[@looinrims]

@@c0d3warrior giant companies pay employees their salaries too btw, but it’s still dishonest to sponsor gameplay because it’s not just that, in gaming they’re treated as 3rd party advertisers while really acting like 1st party, saying exactly what the company wants

[@geekmastermind]

I noticed a long time ago that reviews that were clearly negative were still being given "fresh" status for saying that they liked an actress' dress in a certain scene.

[@28br]

who wouldve thunk

[@dansemacabre6515]

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you

[@kchikwete]

In other news the sky is blue

[@paulanderson771]

It became blatant during the MCU. For most of the MCU, the RT reviews were mostly that super hero movies were the equivalent of watching children bash two action figures together, but suddenly RT started giving glowing praise to the MCU releases and it was pretty clear there were both kickbacks, and a lot of unknown critics writing up the articles. It used to be a film critic's job to tell you what a film was doing wrong and maybe offer a suggestion for how a scene that fails should have worked. Instead they just affirm whatever the seal clapping dregs want to hear about the film.

[@Penguinzero1]

Those movies are great

[@magicjohnson3121]

@Penguinzero1 these movies are formulaic garbage. They were never good. They would get low scores in any other decade.

[@Penguinzero1]

@@magicjohnson3121 you have bad taste

[@greggibson33]

Congrats. You literally couldn't be more wrong about the facts if you tried..... Well done! 😅

[@KonohazFinest]

​@@Penguinzero1well first they weren't all great and second the ones that were weren't perfect as rotten tomatoes had everyone believe. Part of the MCU's success hinged on being held up by rotten tomatoes word of mouth. Iron man 1 fantastic, iron man 2 meh, 3 was ok at best, cap 1 ok,2 was one of marvels best movies, civil war was great,ant man 1 decent,2 was meh,3 was garbage, thor 1 was good,2 was just plain bad,3 was pretty good,4 was dog shit, avengers 1 was fantastic,2 was ok, etc infinity war was there best movie and endgame was overrated only thing good about it was the last 30 mins. I dont include craptain marvel because that was just pure shit.

[@rofflesvanwagon]

Glad I don't use review sites to choose my movies

[@EverettBurger]

Reminds me of the "Positive Review" for A Knights Tale by a movie reviewer that didn't exist at a Bridgewater, Connecticut newspaper. This review that didn't really happen made it to the marketing of the film

[@caronstout354]

Fake reviewer + real (or fake) newspaper = studio sway for $

[@hawksafe]

Look at Barbie under verified reviews and look at how many reviews (after the few pages cuz they got caught) for the phrases "I laugh" and "I cried"

[@gunkulator1]

Audience score for Barbie is 83%. I saw it. It was a lot of fun. The "message" was maybe 5% of the movie but it took up about three quarters of the Drinker's review. Of course that's what his audience wants to focus on so that's what he gave them. I'm all for calling out pandering to Hollywood but I'm also not going to pretend that someone with almost 2 million subscribers on youtube, enough to earn a living, is also somehow not immune to pandering to whatever makes him money. If you're going to make a video on that subject at least have the honesty to self reflect on how you too are "influenced" by the same thing you are criticizing.

[@harbl99]

@@gunkulator1 "The cat shit on the plate was maybe 5% of the meal but it took up about three quarters of the review. "

[@Deadgod91]

Barbie had an insane marketing and advertising budget, no doubt some of this went to the critics.

[@greggibson33]

@@gunkulator1 100% correct. Finally someone gets it. Not only is he a hypocrite but he's misleading with the facts of the article and situation. I wonder if he knows or cares that this is a very bad look.

[@greggibson33]

@@Deadgod91 First part of sentence: Correct.... second part: Incorrect. You have zero evidence.

[@stephenmartland-buck9590]

I never go off movie review scores anymore. Instead I pay attention to how the review talks about a movie. You can almost always tell if the points brought up are honest. I have disagreed with a couple of the Drinkers reviews in the past, but I always trust his recommendations and opinions coming from a place of truth 👊

[@peterschiller5287]

I'm pretty sure the Drinker "marketed" for Picard S03. An utterly horrible season/show, but it got a positive review from him.

[@stephenmartland-buck9590]

@@peterschiller5287 I haven't watched any of Picard so couldn't comment. I do remember a lot of the guys I follow raving about s3. Ultimately I was just trying to say I'm very cynical about most reviews but I've been following Drinker for years now and trust his opinions (generally speaking).

[@peterschiller5287]

@@stephenmartland-buck9590 Yes, he is definitely a smart guy with a keen mind for story telling, but he also has a bias and sometimes omits key facts about movies than don't fit his narrative. The ending of Barbie comes to mind, where he pretends that the Kens stay subjugated, where in fact the Barbies just demand that the Kens MERIT their future positions. Well, and his Picard S03 review was definitely part of a large KZbin marketing campaign (as were Nerdrotic's reviews, and Dave Cullen's and Cato's, etc.). I really like the Drinker, and I think he's generally being honest, but I'm also aware now, that for the right amount of money he'll tell you anything.

[@BeezusFafoon1971]

So you're telling me that Dude Where's My Car isn't 96% fresh?

[@chrissymc886]

Aw no, that for sure is, cinematic gold

[@MariusWales]

OUTRAGEOUS!

[@jacotacomorocco]

Should be 100

[@forsaken7976]

“I thought the movie was terrible. 4/5 stars! “ Now where’s my 50 bucks! I need some soy latte money for the week.

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

Rotten tomatoes - rotten to the core It rhymes, like poetry.

[@AustinCDavis]

You can barely even go to the theater to see a movie for $50 anymore!

[@kabukidad82]

About time this got some spotlight! Well in drinker!

[@jenanne31]

Wow, a whole $50 to sell my soul! What a deal. Thanks for your content, Drinker.

[@dbsommers1]

They have no soul to begin with. So it's a case of getting something for nothing.

[@mattcarper9853]

Well....confirming what we all pretty much expected......

[@tjjordan4207]

It's one thing to realize the truth and know what is going on, but to actually get confirmation just feels so relieving in a way.

[@Chris-bx4vk]

Please create your own review platform with trusted critics

[@jacotacomorocco]

THIS IDEA

[@impossivel2006]

yes

[@bruhdon4748]

Things always get corrupted, eventually dickheads liars and manipulators eventually worm their way in. Vice used to be fairly centre right of a journalism company & is now ultra left wing. Always happens.

[@QbixGer]

It already exists and you are posting on it.

[@c0d3warrior]

​@@QbixGer A stand-alone website with a critique in textform would be easier to find for normies googleing for "[moviename] review" though. And it could drive more people here.

[@steveouk90126]

~4 years ago we all noticed that _Rise of Skywalker_ was stuck at 86% no matter how many reviews posted. Then whole blocks of reviews were deleted; and the end is listless.

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

The heads of bunker 15 used to work at disney. Upper Echelon has done a fantastic video detailing who owns who and who is in charge of the reviews and it boils down to only a few people who all worked together previously.

[@marychocolatefairy]

There's something I noticed with RT's audience score for the Willow show. While eps were coming out, the score was consistently in the 30s-40s and therefore "rotten". Then some time later, I saw that it had magically been raised to the 70s and thus was now "fresh". Highly suspicious, especially as the show definitely did not have a surge of appreciative viewers after it's initial run. In fact, it was so badly received that they eventually just removed it from Disney+, lol.

[@Dr_Binx]

It’s honestly silly to think that anything else was goin on at this point

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

One thing people don't mention often is how they categorize reviews (Drinker actually mentions this at 10:40). Meaning how they decide if a review is 'fresh' or 'rotten'. I remember when Man Of Steel came out, a British newspaper gave the film 3/5, with a review that suggested that it was ok with some problems. RT labelled that review 'rotten'. So, of course, if they do that a lot it will really affect the overall rating/percentage.

[@WilliamTheMovieFan]

It is the least surprising fact ever revealed.

[@AMac-qd6ft]

Jay Sherman said it best 30 years ago-- "I am a movie critic by trade, and until recently, I got paid to tell you people which movies merely stink and which ones you shouldn’t screen near an open flame. Well, I’m putting the burden of lousy movies back on you. It’s very simple: if you stop going to bad movies, they’ll stop making bad movies. If the movie used to be a TV show, just don’t go. After Roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of a classic, rent the classic. Tell them you want stories about people, not a hundred million dollars of stunts and explosives. People, it’s up to you. If the movie stinks, just don’t go."

[@LeoJay]

I'm glad those reviewers knew their worth, 50$ is still too much for them.

[@peterschiller5287]

Their actual worth would be more around -50$.

[@sherlockholmesam1374]

I remember seeing a review on rotten tomatoes from a critic that gave the dark knight rises a rotten score and the reasoning was “it won’t make much sense unless you’ve seen the first two films” - that was it for me

[@dwaynebrietzke]

I used to follow Rotten Tomatoes years ago. Nowadays there are a few youtube movie reviewers I watch and trust to get my recommendations. Angry Joe, Chris Stuckman, Jeremy Jahns, Dan Murrell and of course The Drinker!. I will usually try to see at least 2 or 3 of the reviews before deciding to see a movie. I was not going to see Grand Turismo, but positive reviews by these channels got me to go, and I had a good time. These channels have also saved me a lot of money by allowing me to avoid stinkers.

[@sigmacademy]

Stuckman bashed The Drinker in one of his videos in a typical trend of attacking "problematic KZbinrs" to score points in his circle since he wants to get into Hollywood. I was also a Stuckman viewer, but I dropped watching his videos after that. :/

[@armandoalvarez5910]

Remember a while ago when there was a joint lawsuit about false advertisement in trailers? And actually resulted in a change in how they had to make them? Could the movie critic industry be also sued like that? The whole review industry could count as false advertisement or at the very least bad practices to sue them?

[@kadourimdou43]

So they’re rotten then?

[@TalonsOfFire]

Great to have Chris back. I'm not surprised about RT, & would like to know which movies were affected... I can't believe the Star Trek movies and shows from the past decade, Ghostbusters 2016, Birds of Prey, Cruella, The Old Guard, Captain Marvel, Terminator: Dark Stool, and the recent Marvel and Star Wars series are all positive, let alone Certified Fresh! If anyone has that info or knows, feel free to comment.

[@slimthumbtak]

I used to work in movie marketing. It happens all the time and has been happening for a long time.

[@t6kr958]

I've seen examples of the meter randomly changing drastically. Back when Jigsaw was open, I saw that the audience score was like 63%, but the next day it boosted to 95%. And more recently, Indiana Jones 5 had a negative score with a consensus such as (paraphrasing) "There's a nostalgic rush seeing harrison ford back in the role, but it's an unnecessary addition to the franchise". But then eventually the scores turned into a more positive version of that.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

9:56 - Chris Stuckmann - Angry Joe - Grace Randolph - and of course, king of all… John Campea. Also PR firms could make money, if they simply kept their actors, directors and writers shit up… Seriously many films fall because the crew are too stupid and keep making things worse.

[@alex.jay.davidson]

I'm dealing with the review nonsense on my indie film that was released in Aug. It can be very difficult to get reviewers to pay attention to small indie films due to the sheer volume of movies being released. I have a critic friend who gets dozens of requests from indie distributors a week. The only way to get certified critics to review is to pay a PR company, who will then pay them to get the reviews, which will then let you get the stupid red tomato. The red tomato is important for an indie because an average audience member (and importantly, foreign buyers) don't know the difference on this stuff. They want to see the red tomato to justify the time investment to sit down and watch the thing.

[@mastrblastr02]

A few television series, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ms. Marvel, & She Hulk have great reviews on RT, I think I'll check them out 🍅

[@ripvanwinkle2002]

oh hey yea and rings of power too!

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

It’s very telling that Google, Wikipedia, and so many other big sites refer to Rotten Tomatoes constantly as THE barometer on how good or bad a movie is. That alone should be enough to make you ignore the site entirely.

[@boomcat1337]

i dont think any of us "normal" people are shocked ?

[@johnmoss4624]

Cracks me up, I got a Wall Street journal ad after this video, you must have triggered the algorithm

[@iRoppa]

We all KNEW it. Now we can PROVE it. Job done.

[@vanessac1721]

The new Little Mermaid has an audience score in the 90s with over 10000 reviews so I don't even know if I trust audience scores anymore.

[@redman4669]

Leigh Brown sounds like a username you make to sound funny when people read your supperchats

[@nathanbennett9999]

I worked for Chinese media and I took the media goodie bags because I figured it was pr rather than journalism anyway...

[@philw8049]

Pretty sad, someones honor was worth less then $50.00.

[@joshuanelson6795]

I have never met a single person who makes decisions on which movies they will watch based on Rotten Tomatoes scores.

[@Gypsygeekfreak17]

How could anyone take RT seriously after giving cuties a good review

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Remember when the makers of Godzilla 1998 paid off the "Ain't It Cool" guy to praise the movie?

[@cryptomnesiac]

It's a damn shame how slow the species crawls. What Chris is saying about the media here, I've been saying since the mid 2000's.

[@indy_go_blue6048]

Comedian Mel Brooks was once asked what he thought of critics. "I like them. I like the music they make when they rub their wings together." The interviewer corrected him, "I said critics, not crickets." "Oh. Well I don't like them. They make their money living on other people's garbage."

[@KJ-of6lf]

With the birth of the artist came the inevitable afterbirth, the art critic...

[@BobSmith-gl3sn]

No way! Say it isn't so! I don't believe it! 😂 can we call this Reviewersgate?

[@DustinBarlow8P]

This and Politics, has taught me to ask for receipts on EVERYTHING. My niece came up to me and told me something she learned in school. I told her to go find reputable sites and print me off some evidence, that what she learned was true. She came back an hour later, and she learned it wasn't true, but she found the actual truth, and printed it off. I gave her a $50 for her time, and told her to never take anybody at their word unless you have proof they are normally honest.

[@tehkill3r]

Rotten tomatoes faking reviews? YOU DON'T SAY!

[@proto-geek248]

personally I'm aghast.

[@donaldc3884]

Pointed it out years ago when comparing competing movies like deep impact vs. Armageddon. One smaller budget, one huge budget. Interstellar vs. Gravity etc. Bird box vs. A quiet place.

[@Mythos1981]

So what Gore basically says is that it's bad to get money and get flown to places in exchange for bad reviews BUT when they tell him to delay his "bad" reviews a week or two so people can fall victims to all the positive reviews he's like "Fine, why not".......And this is who you have here in the panel? Great stuff Drinker, just Great.

[@itusjr69]

I'm suprised they still have him on, I'm guessing he's here only because of hollywood connections, Gore has been a shill for the Hollywood machine for decades, he's only jumped ship because he saw the iceberg and knew he'd be the first one fired/not have a job since he's easily repleacable, he'll be on FNT and Open Bar till a better oppurtunity rises, TL,DR he defends this actions, in case hollywood will want their pet dog back.

[@garnermcculloch2778]

I have saw a conversation of a huge advertiser in Houston threaten local news outlets to cover their community outreach and if they didn't they would pull their advertising dollars. Money and marketing and PR all go hand in hand and it can be gross.

[@XperimentorEES]

People with common sense and critical thinking already knew this (same as with the award shows), but it's always funny when they get caught red handed!

[@sirloin8745]

Corruption in the Entertainment Industry? How did the Critical Doggo not see this?

[@IRedpunk]

Wasn’t it already known since the whole Cpt Marvel campaign?

[@hope-cat4894]

Now that we have confirmation that reviews are being bought, we'll probably hear confirmation eventually that studios buy out theaters, too.

[@maguffintop2596]

Good to see Chris here! You need an Elder Statesman. Adds gravitas.

[@Aelwyn666]

Rotten Tomatoes gets a Rotten Score. How fitting.

[@FiliusFidelis]

Darnit! Ever since I saw that thumbnail I've had the theme-tune from Return of the Killer Tomatoes running on a loop in my head! 🤪