Saints Row (2022) | Who Was This Made For?

Take Saints Row, remove everything that made it fun and add all of the bugs.
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0:00 - Intro
2:14 - Story/Characters/Tone
8:00 - "Comedy"
10:56 - Gameplay
14:46 - Side Activities
19:33 - Bugs
25:03 - Conclusion
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[@CriticalNobody]

A mediocre review of a mediocre reboot! Please play the older Saints Row games instead of this. Edit: I realize there are some mechanical details about the past games I got wrong/misremembered when comparing them to this new one. I am very annoyed at myself for that and apologize for being dumb, but none of that changes the fact that this reboot sucks and everything was done worse than before. Thank you

[@kennycheramie1255]

Hey dude.How’s your day

[@kennycheramie1255]

Also, an you do a video about saints row 2?

[@QuestionMarking]

Please don't start your videos with earrape in future. That's really annoying.

[@centrevezgaming4862]

And taking the piss out of Bethesda with micro-transactions and fallout currencies even Jim Boon knew this game will be trash by adding dumpster diving for trash saints row this is not larping sound like an disease

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

The game was made for 12 year olds using ESG ratings and creatively bankrupt writers, developers and idiotic corpos. More modern day woke PC garbage.

[@pcport2698]

You know who this was made for? The devs. Literally just them.

[@NateTheGreat368]

Don't lie to yourself. We both know even the devs don't want to play their own.... "Game"

[@GeteMachine]

Exactly. The characters act more like employees than gangsters.

[@thehatter9400]

More like it was made for twitter

[@Greenapple30]

The devs and people that spend their lives on Twitter 24/7 365

[@DisDatK9]

I wouldn’t say the devs as much as the department heads and/or the owners of Volition. Clearly this game was a case of a project lead or someone at the very top shooting down any actual talent and insight in order to push in their own awful perception of what they think we want. With the development heads straight up lying in press releases before the actual retail release, I have a feeling it was directly their responsibility. I have no doubt there were likely a lot of great and talented devs fighting every step of the way, until they either got fired or were silenced.

[@GojiraRising]

Game devs/studios (entertainment industry as a whole) must really love losing money because over the years they've been going against the roots of their success while making incomplete products & attacking fans negative criticism.

[@englandkeepitreal]

There last game agents of mayhem was a complete flop too just shows there narcissism

[@Shorty_Hutch]

Unless they're being paid insane amounts by some kind of woke entity, that they still come out with profit

[@darkguy300]

my theory: games are bad now because real nerdy developers leave big companies and now the company just wants diversity instead of quality or competence

[@Sara-bk3yi]

@@darkguy300 this is an insanely stupid "theory"

[@ElGalgoNegro]

I think this has nothing to do with agendas, woke or any other conspiracy theory. Simple as the game industry is now so big that any AAA game has to convince investors. This happen a lot before with games for EA or Ubisoft. Now every company have a place in wall street and them this happen.

[@anhilliator1]

You know what would have been good character development? These characters becoming increasingly unhinged and sociopathic and less happy-go-lucky as you progress. Nina, for example, could have become the type of person who sets up elaborate and convolouted plans for mass destruction for the hell of it. Kev could be one of the more unconventional types - being a sort of "berserker," and may be the first one to go along with the Boss when they decide to go full-speed on the psychopath train in this alternate timeline. He could also become the resident hedonist of the group. Eli could have become the group's resident chessmaster and manipulator, also being the one who secures a lot of the Saints's funding - via thinly veiled threats and the like. But no, we get this crap.

[@hg7299]

But for that change they would need some sick trauma, probably Carlos's death level of trauma

[@huntersmith2355]

@@hg7299 idk they could have killed the cat or something, i mean it would probably suck still but it would still be better than what the cat does in the base game

[@Rachebart]

We have caps 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Rachebart]

@@huntersmith2355 they killed neenahs car 😂

[@huntersmith2355]

@@Rachebart you know what, you are right i completely change my mind this game is perfect and the cat's the best

[@ashh1881]

My disappointment in this game is immeasurable. I miss the days where we could get revenge on a rival gang by making the gang leader accidentally crush his girlfriend with his monster truck after said gang leader had his goons kidnap your second in command and drag him around the city behind a truck. RIP Carlos you were a real one.

[@Scatmanseth]

That’s the issue with Saints Row now, it doesn’t know how to have a scene like that anymore. You don’t have to turn into GTA to have a little drama

[@dike174]

Saints row 2 was definitely the best entry of the series. Perfect balance between a serious plot and the Franchise's goofy element. Wouldn't mind having it remastered with updated game play mechanics.

[@ashh1881]

@@dike174 if volition remasters Saint Row 2, I can die happy. As long as they don't fuck it somehow.

[@delsingray5923]

@@dike174 tbh I felt that was too serious. I thought burying the kid alive was a little too fucked up

[@TaurusTheCrazyBull]

@@ashh1881 No, we can't trust them to touch the other games until they redeem themselves from this, especially Saints Row 2

[@debanjanxavierpaul1067]

"game was written by or for twitter" explains the game perfectly.

[@s.d.4816]

True words.

[@MikeTheEnforcer]

Considering a certain person had a say in it. Anita.......

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

OH MY GOD YES

[@gwabafett]

@@MikeTheEnforcer bro it's been over a decade since she was relevant get over it

[@comyxcon4gaming860]

@@gwabafett That venomous bitch is STILL trying to be relevant and failed MISERABLY at it. Good for her bwehaAHAHAHAHA!!

[@englandkeepitreal]

I love how they made a game that doesn’t appeal to SR1/2 fans but also SR3/4 fans it’s like they wanted it to fail

[@Volyren]

Imagine how infinitely better SR 5 coulda been with the 'find a new home for humanity' ending from Gat Out of Hell. Just.... off the top of my head, you go to the planet. Its already inhabited by dr seuss looking aliens who are total d-bags and shoot you down immediately. You crashland and all your toys get broken except for some guns. Boom. No more super powers. SR 1&2 fans, this is for you. So you come out of the ship, guns blazing and fight off the aliens. Then, you proceed to declare yourself the new alien overlord of their world, before kicking the enemy general in his glarbnaks. Thats for you, SR 3&4 fans. But what if... you know... the game was actually good? Deep lore dive and gameplay boost, some of the gear that survived the crash was from Ultor corp. A floppy dildolition hammer that you can use to break all buildings down. Red Faction Guerilla fans, this is for you. So.... thats the game. You get a new planet and have to conquer it piece by piece, all while demolishing military assets, replacing them with fast food joints, arcades and stores, exposing the aliens to earth culture and cheeseburgers. You begin to win over the population, with the end goal being the overthrow of the alien government so that the alien citizens can enjoy pizza, classic 90's music and phub. One addendum, if you aren't sold on the idea. An alien buddy who joins the saints. He's basically Jar-Jar Binks, falls in love with weed and Freckle-Bi*ch's burgers and becomes the dedicated base couch-potato and comic relief in as many offensive joke bits as possible. "You almost crashed into a black hole on the way here? Wow. Didn't know you liked Keith David like that...." Aaand... thats the game. You can even spice it up with *good* side activities, paying homage to series staples. Zero-G insurance fraud anyone? Maybe the aliens are having a china-esque policy on population control and they mate by buk*ake. So, to 'stick it to the man' you drive a tanker truck full of splooge to a women's rights rally, and hose them down ala septic truck style. A few alien babies are born black, because Pierce thought it'd be funny to 'add his own boys' to the mix. Then he goes to get milk. *That.* That's a freakin' Saint's Row game. 😏

[@FreyOdyssey]

@@Volyren Let's call it Demon Streets for copyright reasons and make an Indie game out of it lmao

[@stormkiller4148]

@@Volyren goddamn i want to play this!

[@urielpuertas9899]

@@Volyren lets call that game Saints Row: Deploying Up Uranus

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

It’s because corpo idiots at the higher ups used ESG ratings and made the game for a group of people on Twitter with no disposable income.

[@DrBones-ys1ii]

This game really feels like the Ghostbusters 2016 of the Saint's Row universe.

[@onhold1706]

Nah, even Ghostbusters (2016) got pretty positive reviews on the critical side of things. "Saints Row" doesn't even have that.

[@HarleyQuinnSoldier]

It feels like Dragon Ball Evolution

[@SOV724]

Let this serve as a hard lesson to any and all game developers and game publications across the world: *If you're not designing your game with it's core fan base in mind.... DON'T RELEASE THE GAME*

[@woobharb]

The irony how they made SR2022 so inoffensive that they ended up offending everybody.

[@mrjohnnyk]

When you try to please everybody and wind up pleasing nobody.

[@magicman3163]

If they offended everybody that would atleast make it memorable nobody is gonna remember this

[@zCREz]

@@magicman3163 Id argue its gonna be remembered alrite, but not for the intended reasons...

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

@@magicman3163 Do you remember the last fart you smelled you smelled? Probably not. That's the kind of offense he's talking about. lol

[@thefrog4990]

What's even more ironic is that this game was made for an audience that isnt interested in playing it. They promoted this game and released it and expected people to buy it knowing full well the people they made it for weren't gonna play it.

[@7em7edar]

They complain about capitalism, but they want $60 for this abomination.

[@robmorris4056]

Try adding on they got millions from Epic to keep the game there (Gearbox got 120 million for Borderlands 3) no work just here's millions of dollars keep your game on are store but didn't even give us a $10 discount they can go f them self's to the moon and back for that trick like Borderlands 3 i'am only playing this Saints Row when it's free.

[@taags]

They should give it away for free if capitalism is so fucking bad as they claim.

[@AtticusKarpenter]

​@@taags well, at least in modern condition its fucking bad because it took so long for any incompetent corporation to bankrupt so they have time to shit over all of their (or freshly claimed) IP. Because ESG money. And incompetent leadership still not ones who lose personal money in the end, they have golden parachutes. But its morbidly hilarious how ones preaching about downsides of capitalism is californian hipsters, licked all over by corporations, that hates workers (for voting for Trump and not approving irreversible cruel operations on children that cant give consent) and since 2020 their ideology is state religion of the USA, that is, a country that print international money. Its like high cardinal of catholic church slamming satanism while participating in Black Mass and burning innocent nun at stake for the glory of Dark Lord. Like... yeah, you said some right words i guess, maybe you also do something, considering you have all cards in your hand for this?!

[@nikto7297]

It's so bad that they should pay the fans for torturing themselves playing it

[@ccelite3782]

Capitalists complaining about capitalism. Welcome to America, folks!

[@antoineboucher9859]

They did IdolNinja dirty. One of Mike's last tweets was that the Saints Row franchise was in good hands and what was coming would knock our socks off. MrSaintsGodzilla said the same thing too when he visited Volition a few years back. He is still under NDA so he can't tell us what he saw behind the scenes, but safe to say, shit's changed a ton.

[@feandil666]

Some executives took decisions, said you had to make a sequel to SR because "franchise", stated you had to make it "edgy" for "kids nowadays" and chose a "creative" director that agreed with them. Then the dev team, mostly juniors (because all the senior staff have left), just did what they were told, while thinking the whole time this would end up being shit. I didn't work on it, but I worked on games by AAA studios, I'd be shocked if I'm wrong.

[@shcdemolisher]

The horrifying thing is, you aren't wrong!

[@bailujen8052]

@@shcdemolisher if i had an open world game to work on, it would have movement physics like Saints row 2

[@lanceanthony198]

This is brutally accurate

[@martin-pz6ds]

I wonder what these completely disconneted execs think when the game fails miserably. Is the fault ever their own

[@trolleriffic]

The devs are a bunch of Redditors who buy into this stuff 100%

[@Noelfriday]

"Damn, student loans is hell" Immediately goes on a 5 notoriety rampage killing innocent people, police, and soldiers while blowing everything up with an RPG

[@mateuszmatelski9242]

Its not about student loans and it’s not like they don’t have any criminal background. Kev was part of idols, Neenah was with panteros and boss was doing some side hustles before joining Marshall. Then some events led our group getting in trouble with those 3 fractions so they decided to start their own gang. It’s much deeper than let’s create a gang to pay off student loans like many people present it

[@Noelfriday]

@@mateuszmatelski9242 I know, I was just making fun of the video. Also, I turned my brain off playing though the story, and only really paid attention to important plot points. Like forming the Saints, getting fired because the codex was stolen off Marshall, busting out Nahualli from Marshall's prison, that one guy getting shot (forgot his name) after we fought both Panteros and Idols, and Nahualli getting jealous at us for having friends I think?? Idk, like I said, I didn't pay attention to the plot cause I didnt really care. 1 good thing I liked tho was the Notoriety music, that shit slaps!!

[@Garybell09]

@@mateuszmatelski9242 The plot isn’t deep settle down

[@mateuszmatelski9242]

@@Garybell09 I didn’t say it’s deep, I said it’s deeper than “We have students loans to pay let’s start a gang” and that’s a difference.

[@Garybell09]

@@mateuszmatelski9242 It’s really not much deeper than that it doesn’t deserve to be explained any better the characters are Twitter checkmarks nothing more.

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

*"Agressively forgettable."* should be a tag on Steam.

[@cormoran2303]

It would be... but the devs, knowing the game was crap, suckered Tim Sweeney into buying all the copies.

[@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253]

@@cormoran2303 you think that'll help them make their money back ?) I doubt it :3

[@average__height8033]

The only character I remember is neenah because she takes up 50% of the game and she seems to be the least cringy, still cringy.

[@buburbasi3983]

Well if it comes to steam. I wonder they will ever fix the game problems. Aside from the story. A big highly doubt so.

[@CrewDrastically]

@@buburbasi3983 August 2023

[@GgrimrodD]

When the bugs are funnier than the dialogue you know something is wrong

[@eidolon562]

One thing that I appreciate about horrible sequels/reboots is that it makes me look upon the previous games much fonder. Like I enjoyed all of the saints row games (even their clear faults), but I never really stopped to appreciate the experience it provided. So thank you, Volition. Probably better NOT to ruin your series, though?

[@mightyfineincredible2252]

I hate how "release it now, fix it later" mentality has become normalized. The people who apologize for this are even worse, I know people who *always* say "Oh it'll be patched, don't worry about it, it'll be fine" every. Single. Time. And it never does.

[@GeteMachine]

There are people so desperate to play something saying stuff like "so what game isnt buggy"

[@brysonrichey6707]

My philosophy is if you want to fix it later, I’ll buy it later. For 70% off. On G2A. If you don’t have enough respect for your customers to deliver a finished product, I don’t have enough respect to give them my money.

[@haaxxx9]

Trust me I am done with that mentality too. Even when the game cost $60 at launch it will automatically disqualify it for making a purchase. Not even worth the hassle.

[@badcommentbot8349]

I never buy a game unless it's 12 months old now ,and games that release this poorly I'm never buying see cp2077

[@Rise65487]

It's a excuse that work only for games with deep and complexes mecaniques that takes time to really test in depht It's fine when it's from a Strategy-game, It's problematic when it's just a TPS or a FPS

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

I love how almost everyone's "serious" boss looks like a middle aged man or a woman, who's trying to fit in with the kids

[@mdd4296]

Devs like these often forget that the broke students audience cant afford anything but f2p games.

[@cormoran2303]

It's fitting, because the game itself feels like a middle aged man saying "how do you do, fellow kids."

[@shawklan27]

​@@cormoran2303 yep

[@raditzhoneyham]

Akiyamarkiplier

[@mdd4296]

@@chewcab8008 Nah most devs are middle class at best. The sad thing is they would very likely kowtow to the millionair's agenda to keep their job, peer pressure and the overwhelming influence these millionairs have in their local culture.

[@monomaurie]

The comedic timing of what I assume was a vulture sound for ambience was perfect at 21:38

[@gilbertopinto7084]

8:08 I loved the humor of Saints Row 1 and 2, the jokes weren't forced and there's a lot of casual moments that really make me laugh.

[@Shorty_Hutch]

This game is the equivalent of when teachers try to appeal to the kids by making lessons more 'hip'.

[@DrippleDragon]

Oml like how every commercial tries to appeal to the younger crowd by making raps but it just comes off as corny

[@Takato2527]

you mean "how do you do, fellow kids?"

[@Shorty_Hutch]

@@DrippleDragon yes! I remember seeing a cringe video on old people owning furniture stores with sideways hats and 'rapping' XD

[@thonato295]

@@DrippleDragon HELL NAH FUCK THOSE

[@powder_ur_lambs]

@@DrippleDragon I'm a peanut bar and i'm here to say, your checks will arrive on another day

[@Roggor]

This game is the embodiment of the South Park movie line: "Horriffic, deplorable violence is okay so long as nobody says any naughty words." Congrats Vomition, you made Shelia Brofloski proud.

[@iamunknown5116]

Nicely said 👍🏻

[@robertharrison1058]

And no boss fights practically the other saints row games had boss fights at least.

[@noahoverton9580]

In this generation we are not going to get the stuff we grew up everything is watered down and trying not to hurt feelings

[@Roggor]

@@noahoverton9580 Truth. I can't remember the last time I watched a new show/film or played a new game for more than 15 mins before getting sick of it and going back to old stuff.

[@nilbog6942]

@@noahoverton9580 its literally the latest gens. I finally understand why old people hate everything.

[@jetstreamvik9570]

That eagle in the background when you turned around to no cars was cartoon levels of hilarious timing, and a fantastic metaphor for the game. I can't help but wonder if this is supposed to be some really meta joke about GTA 6, since the games were meant to be parodies of GTA, what if this game's just meant to be a joke about what that's likely to become? A soulless, squeaky clean blight on an otherwise good series.

[@danield6672]

I loved the first 4 Saints Rows as well. 4 was good as long as you saw it for what it really was; a glorified dlc for SR3. If i remember correctly it wasn't full price, it was priced like a large DLC, I think it was $40, so that was pretty good imo.

[@AOEOt31os]

It was originally planned as a DLC, it is largely SR3 under the hood.

[@DashingSteel]

Remember how in Saints Row 2 Ultor had this plan of gentrifying the city making it all nice and clean and marketable for the sake of their corporate investors? Apparently Dane Fogel runs Volition now.

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

Dane fogel is at least smart enough to let the gangs do the dirty work for him

[@zachorryy]

Isnt it Dane Vogel? Normally I wouldnt grammar nazi in youtube comments but the fact that 2 people has used the spelling Fogel makes me wonder if I am wrong.

[@trolleriffic]

@@zachorryy If it's a German surname the V would be pronounced F so that might be what's causing the confusion.

[@bruhmomentmaker4979]

Sr2 is 1000x better at critiquing capitalism then the reboot

[@DashingSteel]

That's because SR2 had something to say about it. The reboot is just a bunch of millennials parroting r/antiwork or whatever

[@Trinket_Master]

The saints row reboot has been out a week and it already needs a reboot

[@etherealtide]

💀

[@exalted_space9224]

Retcon the reboot.

[@ZannacrossG1]

@@exalted_space9224 Saints Row 4 said itself, reboot leads to death, they knew it to, doh.

[@dreadnaught2448]

Just make Saints Row 5 and forget about the reboot.

[@Trinket_Master]

@@dreadnaught2448 honestly, Saints Row 4 literally had an Alien invasion and Gat out of hell made Hell canon So why couldn't they just have said there's a multiverse and Saints Row 5 is an alternate timeline where Saints Row 4 didn't happen and we continue on from 3. That way Saints Row 4 is still canon but they can also tone back how stupidly silly GooH was and 4

[@Doomguy9OOO]

This game should be retitled “Twitter: The Game” lol

[@Circuitssmith]

Wayne Gretzky said “I don’t skate to where the puck is, I skate to where it’s going.” This game bets the farm on casting the widest net possible for this exact nanosecond.

[@bsw351]

I would like to thank Volition for those initial trailers helping us save money

[@xotl2780]

I knew this was gonna suck before it was even announced. Never trust a company that "goes back to its roots".

[@gwoody4003]

For real. I saw the trailer and was like... so its an exaggerated version of everything that sucks about Ubisoft games but without effort to at least make it look good. Like they were trying to outdo them witn worse protagonists than Watchdogs 2. Narcissist kids can't get their mom to drop them off at the antifa riot? Thats all you got? Hold my poorly rendered beer.

[@markprado8185]

@@xotl2780 yea every company that says that never does

[@hg7299]

@@xotl2780 heh, they never back to their roots. Volition is ashame of its own francise.

[@nostrum6410]

amd gave me the game, still someone feel like a got screwed on it

[@leikeylosh]

The amount of reviewers that didn't finish the game due to absolute boredom is incredible. The devs should be proud of themselves, they made the perfect "reviewer-killer". No one had the will and commitment to struggle through this entire borefest. I mean, even a game like Ride to Hell: Retribution had people finishing it just out of curiosity. Truly an accomplishment by Saints Row 2022 devs.

[@TGPDrunknHick]

and you have to bear in mind ride to hell actually broke a lot. finishing it wasn't just a matter of dealing with boredom but, persisting through a horribly broken mess.

[@rickrogan2355]

A bad, horribly buggy mess of a game is always more interesting than a boring and mediocre game.

[@therealfriday13th]

...wow...just...wow... ... usually reviewers quit because they're bad at games, but here they quit OUT OF BOREDOM? Ho. Lee. SHIT.

[@jamiekamihachi3135]

Now there’s a game I haven’t heard in a while.

[@phil_zupra_b5880]

Who knew there will ever be a game as bad as Ride to Hell

[@ryman1933]

This is how I imagine AI designed games being. It's like they gave an AI basic human complaints like rent money, and the AI just went "I can make this a game" and this is what you get.

[@daviddune7259]

My co worker liked it because of the dialogue😂

[@sygyzy0933]

They made this game for Twitter. And it went as expected.

[@cardedmaster5393]

Which people tho

[@xbigbooshx4643]

Certified Twitter moment

[@MezzoForte4]

And it's getting shat on on Twitter. 🤣

[@krops2331]

Bots don't play games, it turns out.

[@MichaelJP]

@@cardedmaster5393 The journos/ checkmarks and people with their pronouns in their bios.

[@warriorwebb8746]

Thing is the whole “new gang” angle could have worked. If they had started off small. Maybe get into a fights, owe a gangster money so then they have to resort to robbing a place. And each mission you get further and further dragged into the gang world and make your own. Instead these go from 0 to 100% while eating their dinner. “Let’s go rob loan shop”

[@d4n617]

Yeah, maturing out as the game goes on. Shows up a childish personality and the characters starts growing out as actual "professional" gangster. Instead, we got electric Boogaloo Netflix gat, kinzie and pierce

[@you-5-iver804]

@@d4n617 *gay fairy Pierce and mexican Kinzie

[@Cbrunning849]

Kinda sounds like a breaking bad light

[@metalslug55516]

Yeah, that's really how they should started and even if they did the same 4 hipsters instead, at least the story could've save the game I can think of these 4 getting in severe debt after "the boss" got fired and, as a final resource they decided to steal from the Panteros gang since Dollar store Kenzie worked for them (an inside job) They steal a recipe for a certain new substance and they got shirtless cook it and the other guy it's put in charge to sell it while the nahual (they guy they captured on the tutorial) teach all of them the ropes of the crime life as a thanks for taking him out of prison They make hit jackpot and hinder the Daft Punk followers in their main source of money: Illicit substances. Now they have the Panteros and these cult guys wanting them, yet the "new Saints" pull through and finish the rival gangs, making now Marshall Corp go straight for them just for the purple menace to win And then you kinda leave the end as it is. Nahual betrays the boss not because "I want your life and friends" but he wants to take over the empire he helped build to return to his old glory as a crime lord

[@MerlautJones]

Seeing as the city's partially based on Vegas, I think an Italian mob for one of the gangs could've worked, but I guess that wouldn't have fitted the happy-go-lucky tone of this game.

[@fearlessfosdick160]

Thing is that the issue is probably that the old devs left and the gen z'ers that came in behind them simply have no concept of creativity. From start to finish, the game is geared toward their restrictive sensibilities, which is a great way to develop a flop.

[@grizzlyuppercut]

Their key demographic is people who don't play video games but do write about them.

[@tylertheguy3160]

I wanted a prequel game. You know, set it in the 70's or 80's and explore the early days of the Saint's, show the falling out between Julius and Ben King, etc. That will most certainly never happen now.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

They couldn't even bring back the old VA's for the Boss. Did you really expect them to get Keith David?

[@WalkBesideMe]

They were never getting Keith David or Terry Crews lol

[@bliczb8772]

Funnily enough - that was original pitch for SR2. In their 10'th anniversary stream, couple of people from Volition went on to explain that original SR2 was meant to take place in 70's, and it'd explore relations between Julius and Ben King. This steemed from the fact that SR1 was supposed to end very differently - Julius was never meant to be the traitor. Originally, he was supposed to be running through the alleyway, all bloodied, indication being he escaped police captivity. But, animators saw that pitch, and they didn't really want to animate him running (laziness at it's finest), so they went with him overlooking the boat and looking at his watch.

[@bangkokgaming109]

So your brilliant plan is to make a fun game people want to buy and make a bunch of money as well? That’s not how modern American entertainment works these days.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@@bliczb8772 irony that laziness made Saints Row 2, which is un ironically best crime sim ever made

[@dropitlikeitshot815]

It's a sad age in gaming when I refuse to buy a game anymore without having watched some of the gameplay online. And that's not even because I am more careful with my money as I grow older, It's because you cannot trust anyone to release a quality, or even a finished game anymore.

[@LunaticLK47]

You were a decade late, dude. This started since 2012.

[@Kabooooom670]

@@LunaticLK47 Seems even worse past few years though

[@Gonzas97]

Its sad that nowadays we have access and technology, and HD quality, only to play or watch trash like this.

[@enkidude9372]

@@Kabooooom670 they’re still a decade late either way. It’s like they found out this information literally yesterday :V, that or maybe they’re just some kid growing up and expanding their taste in games

[@enkidude9372]

@@Gonzas97 technology and Hd Quality is what mainstream media and every cooperation cares about the most lol

[@Nada-fj8ij]

You're boss in the saints row reboot looks like he's dressed for a parent teacher conference

[@TheInator1234]

semi related to SR, but my biggest gripe with modern gaming as a whole is the inclusion of a terribly written diverse cast just for the sake of having one, no particular reason and rarely they detract from the immersion, like seeing women on the front lines in WWI/II. In single-player games, the digital diversity hires are often but not always incredibly dull characters having their entire personality revolve around their nationality or sex, as if they have no other thoughts than what their identity is and how to express it. They don't feel like people who have hopes, dreams, experience life, make mistakes and bad choices sometimes, and all that, but rather lifeless caricatures whose sole purpose is to portray some mix of an LA airhead story writer's stereotypes and desired traits. It's nice to see other cultures and travel the world in games, but I'd like to see the people and places represented in a way that doesn't look like the writers spent 30 minutes on a Wikipedia article.

[@screensshot5040]

Thank you, I thought I was the only one who felt like that. That's like if my entire identity was revolving around being a "white Cis male". How shallow does one have to be to think that way?

[@michaelburke7978]

Can we talk about how lifeless the atmosphere is? In SR2, almost all the NPCs were doing unique actions, like cheerleaders for example rehearsing a cheer at the university.

[@Velociraptor2000]

Or couples cuddling on benches, people handing out fliers, or even crime that just occurs spontaneously.

[@lukemolloy5435]

Playing today and within 5 minutes: 1) A barbershop quartet, who sang a full song 2) A streaker, screaming random BS 3) Guy with some kind of skydiving equipment on, falls out of the sky into the graveyard right onto someone else Made in 2008. What a game.

[@Deception975]

The NPC nodes are back in this game.

[@SammEater]

Somehow it's even more downgraded than SR3 pedestrians. Like seriously, that game was already a downgrade from the second one.

[@PinkMarshmallows]

I'm playing SR 2 and I see sooo much action going on. The pimps, saints, and cops keep going at it, I saw cheerleaders practicing cheers, the npc's would taunt me or cheer for me, and it's just so fucking AWESOME! Though, it keeps crashing on me and I don't know how to fix it. 😅😕

[@kiratherenegade1561]

People who don't play video games. That's who it's made for. Ironically this made me realise why I don't want a new Silent Hill. Imagine it comes out, reboots the entire franchise & functions as an Outlast rip off. I'd be beyond disgusted.

[@nickypoundtown9568]

That's why I'm worried about the SH2 remake, the whole series has misogynistic tones through all of them and really don't want it being resurfaced to the woke

[@EndOfSmallSanctuary97]

@@nickypoundtown9568 Silent Hill isn't remotely misogynistic. Having themes about sexuality mixed with violence and abuse isn't the same as misogyny. SH is one of the best series' in terms of being intelligent in its depiction of female characters, especially the third game (a milestone in terms of female characters).

[@kiratherenegade1561]

@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Yes but that will be easily confused with 'needing modernised

[@HesGotaGun505]

@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I think the word he meant was ‘themes’ not ‘tones’. A hostile monster in the shape of a dingy blood soaked bed named “Father” that attacks by restraining the player- yeah that is practically the definition of “thematic misogyny”.

[@ry7448]

Honestly outlast & silent hill are already similar in some ways so It would be more fitting than this saints row turned Fortnite thing.

[@james117bond3]

7:07 1. The Rollers 2. Deckers 3. STAG That being said, the key issue with how they handled these gangs in the new Saints Row is that at least in the old ones, the main leaders were unique enough to keep them memorable.

[@Ben92-z80]

Volition seemed like they didn't even care about this game along with attacking the fans who criticized the game.

[@andrewlynch4488]

This game makes me appreciate saints row 4 a hell of a lot more

[@torturedkfpemployee883]

Saints Row 4 is pure action all the way through same with SR3 but more grounded

[@tskwerl]

How the Saints Save Christmas is better than this whole damned reboot.

[@GeteMachine]

I wouldnt go that far...

[@oliverislost]

Chill SR4 is still worse

[@apexprimebest]

@@oliverislost SR4 is an actual fun game, this reboot is garbage.

[@lordlundar]

You pretty much nailed my biggest issue toward this game as opposed to it's predecessors: Nothing has any MEANING! With the original series, the Third Street Saints were formed by Julius as a counter to how violent the other gangs were and was named as such as a symbol to help and protect the community. Even the Fleur, symbol of the gang has a historical reference even if it wasn't explained. This game? Nothing. The gang's formed almost essentially out of boredom, the Fleur was because it was tiled in the ground of the church they bought and someone said it was cool, and the name? Saw a statue bathed in light. And as you said in the review, this also carries onto the story. Actions done have no cause and effect, just "do the thing" and move on to the next.

[@dawoodwilliams3652]

Yeah, and then they went on to fight Aliens, Go To Hell and wacky gangsters. Saints Row isn't GTA, it really doesn't need to be deep, there's a reason why Volition said fuckit and made SR3 the way it is, crazy and over the top and that became the series identity.

[@thatguyfawkes2328]

@@dawoodwilliams3652 Nah the series identity is the 2nd and 3rd game that's when it was at it's peak and the fan's overwhelmingly agree on this after the 3rd saints they went way to wacky and away from the roots which where wacky still but also with a much more serious tone and they went away from the serious tone and went ball's deep in the wacky and now it's lost it's identity and is pandering to the Twitter crowd and sucks.

[@hg7299]

@@dawoodwilliams3652 GTA and... deep? Hell, compared to GTAV any Saints Row game in the series is deep as Mariana Trench

[@Youreamess]

It was about keeping their family together. You missed that part.

[@DovahFett]

@@hg7299 Rockstar really jumped the shark with GTA V. It really is the Saints Row III of the series, even though I don't think it was trying to be. It's just so wacky and ungrounded compared to _any_ of the previous GTAs.

[@QuadMachine09]

Let's not forget how grim saints row 2 gets at numerous times in the story. It clashed at the goofy nature of the humor but it clashed in a way that brought more attention at how ruthless your character and the rival characters are. Memorable moments like the monster truck scene and fireworks remain tattooed in my memory because they were PHENOMENAL moments

[@Siah_hell]

when the trailer dropped i was on the fence until i saw healthbars on the AI basically killed all my optimism edit: also when they decided to make takedowns their exclusive ultimate

[@an-animal-lover]

Indeed. With health bars come sponginess, and the unrealistic damage that comes with that. A headshot, what's that? He's still got a health bars so he's good

[@MercxryVEVO]

The whole saints row 2022 feels like the short sitcom like intro in Saints row 4

[@tsnhd]

At least that was funny

[@Macrochenia]

"The crew from the previous Saints Row games would relentlessly bully this new one..." Ha! My first reaction to the debut trailer was that the new crew looked and sounded like people that Pierce would bully.

[@Ingel_Riday6690]

Haha! "Looked and sounded like people that Pierce would bully" is so wonderfully harsh, yet fair. I love it.

[@shwembo]

I honestly was hoping Johny gat would kill them or blow them up and then the actual boss would be there and crack a joke

[@VirtualAustin]

@@shwembo that would of been amazing but also glad that it didn't in a way because of the fact that not only is the story not so great but the open world elements are incredibly terrible especially with lack of features that any open world game should have

[@Macrochenia]

@@shwembo A lot of people were hoping for that.

[@rysephoenix8643]

Oh no...... LMFAO

[@fionna_cool_girl]

This game just makes me miss Johnny and the gang... Why....why did they do this??? And as Patrick says: WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!

[@fatoumakankan]

2006: Saints Row 2022: Pious Paddle

[@dinglebingus2625]

I never 100% understood the initial reactions to the new cast, because there's absolutely no replacing Gat, Shaundi and Pierce. But if you reboot a series you're gonna have to get fresh blood in, and make sure they're memorable and don't suck. Sadly, that's not the case here, and those initial reactions were totally justified.

[@itsjustrain6328]

I like kevin, hes okay.

[@jramos142000]

Tbh the only one that I don’t like is Eli so far I mean Kevin seems pretty chill from as much as I played

[@02baby_]

The main characters look like they’d all get bullied in school

[@buddykaiser2380]

@@02baby_ and deserve it.

[@zerosorigin8387]

I hated Kevin the moment he tweeted about the Saints new hideout, he basically told the whole world and their rivals where they are. It’s called a HIDEout for a reason. If this was the old playa/Boss from 1/2 they would have blown Kevin’s brains out. Eli is just Steve Urkel at this point. Neenah is slightly more tolerable as she is more badass then they are.

[@thechin9241]

I have a feeling that whoever created this game has never interacted with another human being outside of a corporate setting

[@Raoul9753]

Oh they interacted. With those groups that replaced clapping with waving your hands because clapping might trigger someone...

[@hg7299]

...and Twitter

[@Red-S-267]

It’s like they have only seen the barest hints of “zoomer” culture and mixed it with caricatures created by millennials. Then it was faxed to someone else, but the fax machine was low on ink so the end result was a mess that appealed to nobody. Nobody I know talks like they do. And even if I support getting out from under middle managers and college debt… the people are just so insufferable

[@tangoprime]

or on twitter.

[@DameOfDiamonds]

You mean outside of reddit

[@DetectiveJones]

My favorite was Saints Row 2, as from my memory it had a really cool and somewhat serious story, with enough funny moments and fun gameplay to avoid feeling like a chore to play, as if it were to be too realistic, while not going super hardcore into wild looney tunes heists like GTA 5. Saints Row 3 started getting too silly for me and Saints Row 4 just feels like GTA with mods, fun for a bit, but if the jokes don't land, or after they get old it just loses most of its value.

[@Keenansimo]

How they make a game based on a gang full of fairies rather than actual gangsters 😂

[@cybertramon0012]

The stuff about the clashing tone is exactly what I felt. When we go to rob the loan shark, we’re being told he deserves it because he’s a scumbag who kicked a dog. Meanwhile, I can be driving down the sidewalk and killing half a dozen civilians during this conversation. At least the older games had it be you rob somebody just because.

[@ocdc3261]

Didn't you know? Animals are far superior to humans in morals. I mean, hyenas will rip the colon out of a deer while it's still alive but all animals are innocent! 🤷‍♂

[@MyFavoriteSportsballTeam]

Imagine thinking that Saints Row needed to take itself more seriously & be infused with needless political stances, right bro? Lol. It’s crazy what some devs think are good ideas these days.

[@sykeraid4944]

“Wrong time, wrong place, dog.” Most real line from the original Saints Row. Even with all the rest of crass dialogue.

[@mythoceanas8874]

How will they know what to fix? They don’t pay attention to criticism, they just make fun of anyone who brings up anything about the game.

[@DevAnon]

Saint row 3 was great, extremely fun, i suggest everyone to play the whole campaign.

[@thisismyaltaccount85]

Hey man, just wanna say thank you for your videos, especially the longer ones. Just moved into a new apartment and have been binging your content. Getting me through this big transition. Appreciate your work!

[@FTChomp9980]

Saints Row Reboot in a Nutshell: Twitter turned into a game

[@cardedmaster5393]

Next they turned Reddit into a game

[@mxbx307]

I can't believe the developers were genuinely happy or proud of the state this game is in. They must have been pressured into shipping or had crap design decisions forced on them.

[@DrippleDragon]

They can’t do anything else but be proud I mean they still get paid whether the game does good or not at this point, but if they cave in to the game being absolutely garbage then that hurts their reputation and as we can already see their moral standings, they will learn in the end when the game has more returns and reshelfs than any game this year and then those devs won’t be hired again or replaced

[@dividedstatesofamerica2520]

@@DrippleDragon Good riddance.

[@oldgolfpunk]

These people got trophies in school for finishing last and told they were just as super as the top 3 🤦‍♂️

[@nostalgiaholic4874]

Yep

[@Steelion69]

They never wanted to make a Saint's Row game in the first place, they wanted to make Agents of Mayhem 2....so basically they wanted to make a game in a generic, already dead since 2018 genre.

[@psychedelicsunshine]

Saints Row 2022 feels like self insert fan fiction that they tried to market as canon

[@jayzz911]

holy shit, the cars dissapearing and fading out at a distance is a bug i had in saints row 3 and 4. indeed super annoying in insurance fraud.

[@BWMagus]

It could happen in 3 and 4 due to hardware limitations; it didn't only happen in insurance fraud. People vanished too. But not like this.

[@ayrtonjoga]

It's honestly shocking how the same studio of The Punisher game and the old Saints Row titles have created this soulless, safe, and buggy mess Like, did the old lead developers left?

[@Largentina.]

It's not just the leads. Most of the people that worked at Volition back in the day no longer work there. It's Volition by name only, not the actual developers.

[@ayrtonjoga]

@@Largentina. This new team doesn't deserve to use the name and logo of Volition, a company that had the balls to be violent, over the top, fun and compelling, all at the same time with a great collection of games It's sad to see another great company and franchise loosing it's identity just to please a loud minority

[@belowaverage3451]

Pretty sure the writers for this one are also new and haven't written for a saints row game before

[@TheChosenMoose01]

@@belowaverage3451 You don't say?

[@Macrochenia]

@@belowaverage3451 I'm pretty sure they haven't SEEN a Saints Row game before.

[@CyanMentality]

The part where you start an Insurance Fraud mission and all the cars are quietly despawned, with the timer patronizingly counting down, feels like a metaphor for the game. Thank you for your work. You've educated this wee soul in not spending my time on a game that despawns the fun.

[@DetectiveMekova]

To be fair, that issue is a pretty common one in saints row 2. I know because im replaying the series and it happened to me four times lol

[@ButtSolution]

Insurance fraud was a blast in every previous Saints Row game. One of my favorite minigames of all time, really. It figures they didn't get it right this time.

[@mclovin2408]

@@DetectiveMekova but to be fair saints row 2 had good characters and a compelling storyline with a proper sense of humor, you know actually fun.

[@hiroshi6421]

just stumbled upon your channel. your humour, writing and subjects of interest are all hitting the right notes for me. Great job!

[@lsxfanatic95]

I think a prequel to the first one would of been so much better. Like a game where you're running with Julius starting up the saints way back in the day.

[@juniorjunior5884]

I still can't get over that plot expects us to see the new saints as good guys fighting for the working class or underdog but shows them gunning down a lawyer in cold who was just doing his job. It's played straight, no one talks about how that was fucked up. We're just supposed to think it's okay because he worked for Marshall and he's telling the saints news they don't like.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

How tf can you mess that up? In other SR games, the Saints were never seen as heroes. They were always just as bad as the other gangs.

[@theobell2002]

@@TheChosenMoose01 The mayor literally calls the Saints "heroes" for preventing STAG from blowing up the Steelport statue in SR3.

[@AidenRKrone]

Out of the all cold-blooded and sociopathic things the Saints have done-shoving Shogo into a coffin and burying him alive in a graveyard, making Maero crush his own girlfriend with his monster truck, stealing people's cars and taking them to chop shops-shooting an innocent lawyer just because he's giving them unpleasant news is the most inexcusable thing. Like you said, it just doesn't fit with the "Saints-as-working-class-heroes" theme.

[@deathpyre42]

Also, aside from the meta-irony in a full price AAA game that pushes aggressive monetization with a plot about how bad capitalism is, The Food Truck sidequest where you fight the evils of big corporations stomping on the little guy through underhanded means by funneling a bunch of dirty money through a fast food place to turn them into a big food conglomerate by stealing from the smaller food truck vendors has pretty much no self awareness.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

@@AidenRKrone The boss in SR2 literally shot a surrendering cop while saving Johnny in the 2nd mission. He's not supposed to be a good person.

[@Co-Jinn]

I'm so happy the Developers for this mess were also disreguarding fans who were obviously skeptical as "Trolls" and "Haters"...That was very mature and professional of them. They got what they deserved, there hasn't been a good Saints game for a long time...Remember Agents of Mayhem...Bet you didn't.

[@masamune2984]

This is the first time Ive seen someone mention this game since close to before, or after it’s release. That is HUGE…and speaks volumes of this unfortunate misfire.

[@KissedPuppet]

I remember enjoying those on rails missions in SR2 (like with the suburban woman and her drug racket), but SRTT is still my favorite because it became so shamelessly over the top, like an antidote to GTA4s 'realism' and grittiness. The only thing I missed from 2-3 was the amount of clothing and customization options going down in 3.

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

I recently finished SR2 again and at the moment I'm playing SRTT and I agree with everything you said. I feel like the third game was a perfect balance between crazy and serious while the first two games were too serious and fourth game I feel like they went too far with the aliens and superpowers

[@jaysanj152]

Ya know the best thing about this ? It's the fact that it actually made the SR1/2 audiences and SR3/4 audiences joining putting aside their differences and instead join forces together purely to shit on this game cus of how it doesn't appeal to them both.. Yes...It's THAT Bad.

[@SeaOfVomit]

Yeah, apparently...but as someone who didn't play/love the SR series for the story/characters, I enjoyed the reboot much more than I thought I would. 3 remains the worse game in the series by a large margin for me. 4 went off the rails, but at least it was fun. Aside from a few neat set pieces in missions in 3, the game was even more "soulless" than the reboot, along with the worst map... Obviously bugs aside, I like the reboot more than 3&4. But that's just me personally as a SR1/2 diehard. Guess a SR2 remake is just a pipedream, as Violation just wants to forget the GOAT they made never existed. ☹

[@laramieslater7885]

@@SeaOfVomit one major complaint I have is just how short it is though I do enjoy the vtol you unlock at the end

[@shcdemolisher]

Like what the sequels did with star wars! Made the original and prequel fans realize that those stories were good/better then what they thought.

[@zanzibarforever]

I really don't know why this happens over and over again with lots of beloved series.

[@xotl2780]

The team that made the original Saints Row games does not exist anymore. As the decades went by, people retired, got new jobs, got fired, passed on, etc. However, companies are essentially greedy and can't survive without consumers, so they play the hands that they've played before.

[@unocualqu1era]

@@xotl2780 True, but it's sad that talent is more and more rare these days, you'd think that as people retired new people could also come up with brilliant new games, not even talking about new IP's since that's "risky" for big corporations and we can't have that, I mean that even sequels are huge piles of garbage

[@Kenfren]

The reason this constantly happens occurs for two main reasons. 1. The people in hollywood hate you and everything you enjoy 2. These people are also terrible writers

[@TheDrugFreeThrasher]

Because developers would rather push political agendas than actually give the fans what they want. Hence the poor criticism

[@yurriaanvanduyn]

This game has all the issues of all media of [current year]: hiring to check boxes gives products to check boxes which appeal to checkbox audiences that doesn't exist.

[@ErgheizCold]

Thanks for the honest review. I was really looking forward to this game because i've loved every single one of the previous titles, but i think i'll wait for a huge sale on this.

[@ZM7241994]

I like that you pointed out how bizarre standards have become in entertainment. You must avoid having characters say something, even as a joke, that could be offensive, but you can have those same characters go on mass murder sprees and not a soul complains. That's 2022 morality!

[@bag-manbaron2547]

I believe we just call that Ludo-Narrative dissonance

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

@@bag-manbaron2547 Not really. In this case it's a very clear case of morally-skewed individuals writing the story. Someone taking offense is more horrible than mass-murder in their eyes, because those they kill are retroactively non-persons. Like declaring that the children you blew up with a bomb were retroactively enemy combatants. These people don't just have acceptable targets, they have a rationalizing tool that allows them to declare anyone an acceptable target after the fact.

[@bag-manbaron2547]

@@WhiteManOnCampus When you put it like that sure, but I don't see it as "2022 morality" like the op said since most sane people clearly see this as insane and making no sense

[@thefrog4990]

It's insane. How are words more violent than actions now? You cant call someone faggy but you can go on a killing spree? We are so morally bankrupt lol.

[@bjcantrell1990]

@@bag-manbaron2547 When he says "2022" morality, I think he means "twitter" morality.

[@Aeliarna]

The saints row series is about playing as the bad guys, the kind of group you'd have to take down in any other game. That's always been my take on it.

[@mclovin2408]

Yeah but at the same time it made you feel like the good guys, not because what you were doing was right, but because we were connected to those characters and we wanted them to succeed, this new saints row isn’t even a saints row, it’s like someone else said, the characters in this game are the kind of people the old characters would bully.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

They were the best of a bad lot. Yeah they were villains but holy hell, you see these other guys?

[@nightwolf9375]

@@palladiamorsdeus it’s like one of my favorite video game character’s quotes: “we’re bad men but we ain’t them.”

[@Aeliarna]

@@palladiamorsdeus 100%

[@PBMdanya]

Maybe for saints row 3 and 4

[@LFNFLCKD]

First time viewer here and I have to say that your review technique is VERY GOOD. I haven't played this game though I was a HUGE Saint's Row fan. Subscribed and now a fan, thanks for your content.

[@stonekidman2306]

Profanity used as a punchline is basically the Deadpool movie

[@en4135]

I love the Payday Loan mission because it's so indicative of the games bad tone. One of your friends mentions what a total scumbag the owner is, that he even kicked a dog once and that it's morally ok to rob him. But you start the mission by stealing your neighbors cars, multiple cars, just because you can. Then you tell the lady in the loan shop you don't want her money only his which is a trope and a reference to John Dilinger. Then you slaughter a shit ton of random policemen with a smile on your face causing massive property and collateral damage. The player and their group bounce between honorable outlaw and outright sociopath at such a rapid pace. They feel like a faction that in any other game would be a minor antagonist.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

Exactly. Saints Row 2 struck a great balance between silliness and seriousness. While you can be dresses in a hotdog suit while you mercy-kill Carlos, it's still an emotional and important moment. Meanwhile when you're flinging liquid poop at everything you don't even kill the cops, just leave them drenched in feces.

[@martinmethod427]

Or someone I and the Stilwater PD would turn into roadkill during SR2's FUZZ.

[@SparrowPlays.]

That's red dead redemption 2 plot right there

[@en4135]

@@SparrowPlays. A payday loan robbery? what?

[@SparrowPlays.]

@@en4135 No, what you said about the game. "The player and their group bounce between honorable outlaw and outright sociopath at such a rapid pace, making it look like any other faction is a minor antagonist" except red dead did it on purpose, lol

[@oceanman_8370]

There is a silver lining to this reboot. There was a massive sale of the old games on steam, and I got 2 through Gat outa hell for 20$. It's not a good time to be a Saints Row fan but I'm glad that I could become one

[@Jebus53]

Better late than never 👍

[@Nico42048]

I got Re-elected for 6-7 Euros a while back, and I'm loving it. The Reboot looks like 80% of modern games: Corporations trying to push political narratives to appeal to people who are just on social media all day

[@hughcaires7434]

Sad to see one of my favorite franchises go down like this. I haven't played the reboot and now I really doubt I will.

[@mintydog06]

So it's now the opposite of "sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me" instead it's "guns and grenades may break my bones me but calling me a nasty name really kills me"

[@halla9538]

21:37 had me dying. The way he turns the camera around and the traffic just vanished into the shadow realm followed by a eagles scream. LMAO

[@Sanguivore]

That eagle was so perfectly timed.

[@robertojimenez4979]

12:19 Unarmored but buff enemy. It takes a magazine and a half to get rid of. Next scene, there's an armored enemy with medium body mass. 3 shots and done. Moral of the story: It's time to workout. 💪😼

[@NatoVSChina]

Let us know after you experiment

[@wednesdaygeckok.7899]

This game feels like the devs literally dont have real friends

[@thepizzaman2013]

not taking risks is a risk in it of itself

[@calamaria9221]

Honestly a huge improvement would have the story be around them thinking starting the gang life would be fun and just like tv and movies show, which actually do fit in with the characters as they are now. Have the start of their gang life be what they thought, fun and lighthearted, until it quickly gets dark. Maybe they got into something they couldn't handle. Maybe went too far during one of their heists or whatever. Or maybe all they were doing before has been angering the other gangs and after ignoring them and brushing it off, the gangs go after them (separately at first and maybe have them form a truce to go after them together). Making reality slap them hard in the face and forcing them to grow up or die (and maybe even have one of the four die because of whatever they did if the writers are bold enough).

[@thephantomoftheparadise5666]

That still doesn't sound that great.

[@jwn5]

They kill off all these characters in the end and I'd probably pay 60$ just to see that... Tragic for whoever the hell wanted this crap but a nice comedic reward for me

[@explorinjenkins349]

The worst hardship this new crew goes through is Neenah's car gets trashed. They couldn't even kill any of the saints.

[@shcdemolisher]

Or hell, they cause so much damage that the national guard is called in, and the 4 are gunned down by the military/FBI in a huge raid with no chance of survival. All the other gangs surrender and the city finally see's peace.

[@fredo3161]

So if they're fixing it later, why should anyone buy now? This whole philosophy hurts game sales and game development. How's about I wait a couple years until it's "fixed" and buy it used for $15 instead of $60 upfront? What incentive is there to pay more NOW for a bad product rather than later for a better one? I haven't bought Cyberpunk for this exact reason, and I may never buy it.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

Sadly, most people will buy games ASAP so they can play it or review it.

[@CommDante]

@@TheChosenMoose01 At least reviewers get something out of it, either new subs, fun trash talking how bad it is when live or some cash to pay for the game etc. I can understand that. I can't even remember the last western 'AAA' game I played in the first month, let alone pre-order! I do remember downloading the Andromeda demo and meanwhile watching reviews. Didn't even let the demo finish downloading. I'm glad my old GFX card was way too old to play Cyberpunk smoothly at decent graphics, else I would've pre-ordered it. Witcher 3 was such a delightful game. That sure woke me up!

[@qwqwqwqw99]

I finally tried Cyberpunk and it's in a pretty decent state now. It doesn't live up to the pre release hype but it's a fun game on it's own merit.

[@fredo3161]

@@qwqwqwqw99 Yeah I'm looking forward to finally playing it after that Phantom update comes out. It pays to wait.

[@badcommentbot8349]

I'm only paying 5 bucks for this trash after/if it's ever "fixed" that is

[@direwolf5134]

I got Saints Row Reboot for free on Playstation essential and still want my money back

[@mortyc137a2]

I miss the 90's-2000's when game devs actually put work in and made sure games were released without faults.

[@darkwin1977]

i... actually loved the sillyness of 3 and 4. i didnt like everything about those games, but ... they had a charm...

[@crupt1023]

Saints Row 4 is one of my favorites. Zinyak is freaking great

[@valen9835]

Zinyak alone made 4. He was just fantastic. A bit too absurd, bit too easy to get overpowered(like unlimited ammo shouldn't be available until postgame), but still could be fun.

[@marks2807]

I loved 1-3. My problem with 4 was the Super Powers. It did not feel like a saints row game with powers.

[@darkwin1977]

@@marks2807 yeah i can understand that, it feels like they they went over the top, but going to be honest, i did enjoyed the superpower, i think they could have been better balanced, but the reason i like it its because... there were no many good superheroe games at the time. just a few.. and honestly, if you didnt name it Saints Row. or at least make it some sort of offspin like returning from hell, i figure less people would have hated the superpowers. there stuff that cranck the genre into an 11, like elden ring did to the souls formula, but Saint row comedy went for 40, the 4 is so over the top, that it... misses a lot of its old public, which honestly might have not been the best play for them [i think yatzee make a better explanation on why the escalation skipped a few steps since space is like... that last thing to pull off]

[@Rawnblade13]

3 and 4 are my favorites. Just absurd over the top FUN. It just felt like the developers did a bunch of acid to see what happened. xD

[@sokumotanaka9271]

I remember having a conversation with a person about how these characters feel one dimensional and quirky for the sake of it And I loved the characters in the prior games; Kinzie is a foul mouth amazing hacker who has fun banter with the boss and despite her mouth cares deeply for the saints as a crew, this was her family, a nerd who didn't really have one. Johnny was a hard ass who only became such to protect himself, he lost a lover while living the gang life and it hardened him to the point where he would fight hard not really caring about his own life in the process. And that's just two characters, Oleg, pierce, Shaundi, Benjamin, Julius and the list grows! these characters are fleshed out from their first introductions to their last. And I feel like leaving their stories unfinish is a disservice to the saints. I'd be fine with moving on to a new universe of saints but this? I can't even muster up any feelings for the characters; they just feel like cardboard cutouts they put tropes on and forgot to give personalities, like these are placeholder characters. I said it before; but this feels like it was made by a person who hated the original saints row (personally I like the self aware goofiness of 3/4 and thought it set itself apart from a GTA clone) and thought they'd do a better crime drama but forgot the drama and just went "crime" and hope you wouldn't notice how bare bones the gameplay/characters are; which are the two most important things for games like this!

[@BWMagus]

They all but admitted they hated the original games.

[@ryproar11]

I can sum up Saints Row in one simple statement: When you try to offend no one, you offend everyone.

[@Shiirow]

the fact they tried to make them relatable everymen is a misstep, because they are not relatable in the least while the original crew were never meant to be relatable. they were gang members who would gun you down without a moments hesitation with a quirky quip. they never attempted to be anything else, regardless if they wanted to think of themselves as "puckish rogues". hell the puckish rogue comment was made tongue firmly planted in cheek. I dont need to relate to them, just find them charming amidst the chaos of gun fire and explosions, like an over the top 80s action movie.

[@WilbertBeltman]

I found it odd that taking over the city isn't tied to the story at all, I barely did any story content yet, did nearly all the side content and now my map is almost entireley purple, just like that

[@DrippleDragon]

I won’t front them on that one, just because it’s supposed to be the start of the Saints, establishing a proper name and rep would come first, then taking over later, it’s just their plot in general is fucking awful, it’s all over the place, it doesn’t even explain why there are separate gangs or in depth about them, it goes from sci-fi all out action to comedic and not serious at all, and the objective isn’t too clear, these devs just suck and should’ve listened to the fan base

[@RenegadeSpider2]

@@DrippleDragon I will front of them on that one, remember saints row 2? we had missions that weren't connected to the story, "strongholds" you took them out to take a turf, but we also had story tied turf, Not to mention once you kill a gang leader...nothing really happens, it makes almost no difference, the gang still wonders around even after you take the turf from them, what ever happened to taking the gangs turf, killing all the leaders and the gang falls apart after killing almost all of them?

[@nostalgiaholic4874]

How were the strong holds not connected to story? There were mandatory to finish the gang off and actually make sense as a strong hold could be “destroy this drug lab Therefor reducing the gangs income” and yea of course they still walk around until you take over all the areas. The saints did the same when their leader was killed

[@RenegadeSpider2]

@@nostalgiaholic4874 you misunderstand by "story tied" meaning, you can't take that turf at all unless you do a story mission, strongholds unlocked by doing story missions, but they themselves were not full of cutscene story filled.

[@zombi2896]

That was the same in 3 and 4 though

[@t-wrecks9866]

This was made for people who aren't going to play not only this game but videogames in general.

[@hodakaroadtoad]

You put into words exactly how I was feeling. Thank you. FYI, trying to play co-op is impossible. I can make anything fun if I can play it with a buddy, but I've tried this in multiple situations and it desyncs every time after taking forever to figure out how to get it to connect.