Why I....Don't like Homeworld 3

[@dean_l33]

It's sad a thing that the data miner found an earlier version of the game that is much more like what the fans were expecting

[@CriticalRocket]

That sounds interesting, I need to look that up.

[@RedStar441]

If that's the case I can't say I'm too surprised. They hired people specifically to rewrite elements of the game to make it "marketable".

[@Sorain1]

For me, it was seeing the concept art from the credits via youtube. All the other games had concept art that directly lined up to their campaigns, clearly showing where they started on what you played. But HW3? It has a completely different set of things shown. (With a little overlap in the first couple of missions worth of plot.)

[@Kyle7565]

A minor correction, they are only promising three of these fleet packs for the year 1 pass. Data mining also suggests the next two will be Taiidan and Somtaw. So probably a Hiigaran reskin with a few new ships with Somtaw. The Taiidan will probably be the only one they put work into, but with none of this going into skirmish, I couldn’t care less what they do anymore.

[@VindensSaga]

I keep forgetting that Homeworld 3 has been released, it is so bad that it is forgettable.

[@swedenownz123]

why dont you like homeworld 3? Simple, its just bad. no excuses, no justification needed. Whats really suprising is that there are so many things that the same developer got right in Deserts of Kharak that they missed here.

[@HalIOfFamer]

3 words. Sweet Baby Inc. Or one of the other similar companies ruining gaming for political reasons.

[@Zakalwe-01]

Double whammy of confused gameplay systems (probably caused by some sort of internal dev conflict), and co-opted by the publisher for an appalling feminist woke agenda. Do a Sony: Refund and flush.

[@kephryccephryc863]

its besicly a down graid from all other old hw games in evry singel aspect other then grafic and the campain feals like its make to pander to dei no feal of original home world storys

[@Equalzer]

Randy Pitchford's reverse midas abilities on full display here. Idk how much BBI actually got to sign on the pile of shit we got, but sure they get their share of responsibility too.

[@oxtcn]

What a fucking tragedy. Waited nearly a decade and a half since HW2 for the next installment, and DoK was honestly great. It really gave me hope for HW 3 being awesome when and if it came out, then we ended up getting this. I don't know what went wrong, if it was publisher meddling, ineffectual management, or uninspired direction, but it lacks a soul. It lacks scale, and even though HW2 was criticized plenty for not innovating much in terms of the story, it was still compelling enough, unlike the drivel put on display here. Don't tell me that the creative minds behind the franchise couldn't come up with anything better over the course of nearly two decades. Sad to see this being probably the last entry in the franchise, and even if it turns out not to be, we've already been cheated on and this relationship will never be the same.

[@CriticalRocket]

It does suck because Homeworld is one of the all time great RTS franchises of the PC platform and this just wasn't what people expected. I really wanted to get into the wargames mode and play some fun and challenging cooperative battles there and it just plays in such a bland and uninteresting manner. The AI being so basic the only way the mode is challenging is to send infinite waves of enemies at you from all directions to artificially create difficulty. A real shame overall.

[@oxtcn]

@@CriticalRocket We're just getting a fast-forward replay of the enshitification of c&c. Except that franchise crawled along way past the point somebody should have put it out of its misery. Hopefully HW doesn't have a long, drawn-out death like that. Sadly that may be the best we can hope for. Now all this has reminded me of Aquanox, and the ruination of my day is complete.

[@airplanemaster1]

Three words ruined HW3: 'Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion.' Specifically, you can blame one Lin Joyce, the 'Managing Director of Narrative Properties' for the game. Arch Warhammer on his ArchCast channel did a succinct video about this fiasco a few months back, I'll link it for you. 'The Reason Why Homeworld 3 Had A Terrible Story - Ruined By Woke DEI Involvement' kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioGscmilh752sMk

[@markfreeman4727]

the creative minds behind HW 1 and 2 were probably fired, driven off, or laid off and replace with AI and part time contractors over seen by managers that put every single sin of modern gaming into this abomination

[@oxtcn]

@@airplanemaster1 Can't take anyone seriously who uses "woke" as an insult and DEI as a negative. The fact you still watch Arch is also telling. If I'm not mistaken, then you look at the Imperium as template and not a cautioning caricature of fascism.

[@JestemMuerte]

Sorry to hear that. I've played 1 and Cataclysm (probably my favorite) over and over again (probably too much) and was hoping 3 will carry the spark...

[@jiiaga5017]

Homeworld is my most loved RTS of all time. From making maps for it with the original mission editor, to screenshots of it being on every computer's desktop for several years (honestly until I discovered Eve), many replays of the campaign, etc. And you wouldn't catch me dead pre-ordering it, especially with gearbox attached. Don't pre-order the things you love, people, if you want them to stay the things you love.

[@ostegonation]

My best friend and I grew up with this series. I was holding off on a sale... he went ahead and bought it for me and I feel so bad. I tried, I really did try to get through the campaign... but it's just so... bleh. The story is definitely NOT a Homeworld story (I loved 1, 2, and Cataclysm). The gameplay is just boring, and I absolutely hate the ship designs and how I can't tell at a glance what I'm looking at like the originals. I'm just so incredibly disappointed in HW3 and I feel bad that my friend paid $ for it so that I can play it.

[@NIL0S]

😢

[@Razgriz_01]

I haven't felt this disappointed since Dawn of War 3. Funny how both games have origins from Relic. I hope Space Marine II doesn't follow the same fate, even if that one is not an RTS, it still originates as a Relic game.

[@Gribardson]

I almost got this, saw the bad reviews, went with X4 instead.

[@CriticalRocket]

And X4 is really fun.

[@Gribardson]

Very much so.

[@irishijo1]

I've seen alot of people mention HW3 at launch, and then never again. I'm curious to see why. That said, alot of those same people are looking worried for Sins 2, I guess RTS players cant catch a break

[@Dermetsu]

Sins 2 suffers from being identical to the first in everything but engine and graphics.

[@sindersins3383]

Who's worried about sins2? 88% very positive rating on steam. My friends and I have been playing it nonstop since release and are loving it.

[@nikkity5491]

@@Dermetsuand thats a bad thing how?

[@TheGremalin]

Zero Space. Go check it out . It's not that we can;t catch a break, its that Starcraft is dying too slowly from its dominance, but with it indeed finally dying, There is hope on the horizon. Stormgate is looking to be a launch disappointment too, as Overwatch RTS has less soul and care than this or the TA official sequel clones (PA and the next forgettable one that was recently announced) Zero Space is where I am pinning my hopes. for many reasons.

[@irishijo1]

​@@sindersins3383Its the curent Premium Edition locking content away, that cannot currently be purchased otherwise. Meaning if you want those units that will eventually come out, you need to pay for the 90$ version. Even if you already own the base game, thats a 90$ aditional purchase. Among other things.

[@Alucard-yb6fq]

Thankfully sins 2 saved the cravings

[@MbahMu9829]

From a majestic space opera to an angsty emo teen.....if you don't have a problem woth that then it's okay i guess

[@homeworld2evolution]

Homeworld3 - is a real disgrace to its developers. I have been modding Homeworld2 for 20 years and I have taken this game apart practically to atoms, I have seen it from the inside, all its advantages and disadvantages. All these years, I have been waiting and dreaming that Homeworld3 will be better and more advanced, depriving previous games of its series of its shortcomings, evolving into something more large-scale, detailed and well-developed! However, after the release of Homeworld3, I saw that this game is not just significantly worse and stupider than the previous game made 21 years ago! I saw that Homeworld3 looks like a real disgrace and deception of its fans. This piece of sh*t, which they wanted to disguise with a gold wrapper. Even after patch 1.2. it looks like no one wants to work with love on this project. Unfortunately, Homeworld3 is a stillborn fetus.

[@CriticalRocket]

A real shame to hear given a lot of people have so many good memories of the amazing mods for Homeworld 1&2.

[@cutepuppy9585]

Does it mean the new developer didn't build HW3 using base source code from Relics? the new developer code HW3 from scratch?

[@Pouk3D]

All Homeworld 3 does every time I tturn it on is to make me want to go back to modding Homeworld 2 Remaster.

[@Nakai_the_Wanderer]

I am so happy that at least Sins of a Solar Empire 2 is exactly what people wanted it to be. Its like the first game, just a bit better in many places. Homeworld 3 on the other hand is just trashing its legacy and feels nothing like the originals. HW1 and 2 play differently but both are great in their own way. HW3 on the other hand is just bad from a gameplay perspective. The combat distances are too short and all the same, there is no real fleet level combat and it overall feels like you are just vomiting ships into your enemies faces until they choke on them. The Wargames mode is bad for the same reasons and more because you are artificially limited in what you can do. I think there will probably not be any mods for Homeworld 3 because there are no people playing anymore, so noone will be willing to invest into a mod for a dead game. Also another good looking game, that is just bad was Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Realms of Ruin. It looks really good, the campaign is OK, but the skirmish is boring and bad. The game is probably dead by now and I think Homeworld 3 will share its fate.

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

Sins 2 is good. HW3 is not. Mostly thanks to the story and all the 'modernity' that comes along with it pretty much ruined the game. Mechanically it's a mess and homogenizes everything for no reason.

[@CriticalRocket]

Sins 2 so far has been a blast. It doesn't do much new but when the base game was so good why mess with it right.

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

@@CriticalRocket Exactly. Can't improve the wheel, so just give it a shiny cup holder.

[@seanbarber6283]

It's so sad to hear this I was so looking forward to this one

[@kephryccephryc863]

same since i liked all the old games had good story and villains but this one villin feals like the modern boss babe women that's angry cuz no one wants her becuz of her bitchy atitude

[@twodaves9480]

I’ve already put more hours into Sins 2 since launch than HW3. I waited so long for this, I wanted to love it. It’s naff. Not even bad per se, just so painfully meh. HW 2 would probably be one of my ‘desert island discs’, HW 3 would be lucky not to get turned into a coaster 😢 (if physical media was even a thing anymore)

[@chrissyoutubechannel8679]

I won’t buy homeworld 3 simple reason they took homeworld mobile off they could av left homeworld mobile running genuine gutted the admiral cris from steam 😢

[@shanakarajaratne6585]

Please don't buy this game, I purchase the fleet command pack, think it was bit over 150AU$ as i can remember, got 48 hour early access, 2 hours in to the game I was disappointed. worse purchase I have ever done. Loved the previous releases but not this one, I do not recommend. I would say Homewarld I played as a kid is dead.

[@_ZeusWrath_]

Agree with author! Homeworld3 - a piece of shit on a gold-rimmed plate... This is a shame to Gearbox and BBI

[@PeteOfDarkness]

You know your game failed even when pirates don't bother with it.

[@CriticalRocket]

That is quite stinging yeah.

[@valrawk]

I splurged and bought the collectors edition that came with the miniature of the mothership and a few other ships.. After the game was finally released, and I saw how total crap it was, I'm actually Glad I got the collectors edition cuz at least I got something out of it.. Its now sitting on my shelf right next to my Executor class super star destroyer. 🤪

[@Kna5041]

A sad sad day that homeworld dies like this.

[@billrich9722]

I'm sad.

[@shagz1985]

homeworld 3 cost me 400$ Aud for CE and all i want do is forget Hw3 existance because the story and the dlc is beyond disppointing so i just wanna forget it

[@entr0physt]

Clueless devs "..flailing around like Kermit, happy that the show is starting." 😄

[@roberthunter6122]

So yeah.. About those future updates.... --- Hey, if this has mod support, hopefully modders can fix this terrible terrible game that I waited 4 FUCKING YEARS FOR. :/

[@sarahts21]

It seems they really REALLY R E A L L Y wanted people in to the multiplayer horde mode thing. Which is fine as far as it goes but Homeworld has always been, primarily, a single player experience.

[@Sorain1]

That could have been fine as the dessert to a great main course of campaign story. But it can't make up for the dogs breakfast delivered instead.

[@silviupanait8861]

Just play the Remasters, this one is a joke.. It's not even as good looking as it was supposed to be, and it's really poorly optimised, and the gameplay mechanics are crap, and it's riddled with all sorts of technical issues, so much so that it's barely playable, and the story is just complete garbage, the entire game is an absolute disappointment. Not to mention that the game is completely dead, there are ZERO online multyplayer games to be found at all times, shame.

[@briankaler6147]

Worst homeworld game. The remaster is better, cataclysm is better, deserts is better. Barebones is a great word to describe it. Did DEI kill it? Not likely even if the story is more diverse and inclusive even though we are talking about a series that was never duke nukem. Just lazy cash grabs here.

[@rwarren58]

I waited 20 years for the remake and all I keep hearing is that it's not that good.

[@kephryccephryc863]

and the remaster has more players then this x2 -x 3 times more active and max

[@ReginaldArthurWolfe]

People talk about this game 'looking great.' Every video I see it looks hideous. Pixelated orange with orange splurge going everywhere. What a disaster. Heartbreaking.

[@ZeratKJ]

3 minths later .. You have been correct :) The game is dead :(

[@CriticalRocket]

It sucks but Blackbird seemed determined to kill off a really good franchise.

[@alwayssearching4760]

Best part was getting my refund.

[@derekburge5294]

What a bloody shame!

[@micros112]

Such a waste. The was F**king atrocious, The lead writer should be banned from ever being allowed to write again.

[@lucassmith4524]

I don’t know. I guess I just suck. I don’t get why everybody hates this but loves Sins of a Solar Empire 2. I’m waiting on somebody to mod the game to actually add song content. Everybody wants the same game as the last one in this genre. I read an article in PC Gamer that that said the RTS genre is dead. Well I know how to give it a shot in the arm. Just go back make the same exact game as Homeworld 2, or Dawn of war 2. Yay.

[@smokestriker1258]

Homeworld was on the decline since Cataclysm. I wouldn't even recommend the remasters unless you like Homeworld 2.

[@CriticalRocket]

True, but comparing this to even the remasters which Blackbird worked on to begin with, they are superior. I don't really get why they couldn't have made this title with all the tried and true mechanics of Homeworld 1&2 but with more new shiny bits to make it a worthwhile product.

[@smokestriker1258]

@@CriticalRocket Societal decline, that would be why. Almost total decadency, with the inability to create something worthwhile that is original. About the only thing developers can be expected to do somewhat competently for the moment is to rehash or remake something that was created through genuine passion in the past. Even then with all the hard work done of formulating the original ideas and basic framework of the game, they managed to still mess it up like in HW3's case. Just a sign of the times.

[@justhecuke]

​@@CriticalRocket i think it was due to technical complexity. A lot of the mechanics are pretty difficult to program in such as true ballistic projectiles and the different pathing behaviors for formations/stances. The code in the remasters is probably too difficult to port to Unreal, so they probably did a lot of it from scratch which is why things are so basic. Games nowadays are much more difficult to program because they are held to a higher standard in terms of graphics, audio, qol, accessibility, etc. options as well as a huge collection of third party software like video capture, mod support, steam, twitch, and develoer tools that they use. Thungs are a lot more complex in terms of the environment games need to integrate with, leaving less time, budget, and thought for the core game. Then you add in the desire to appeal to a wide audience (casual gamers), and you need to design a simple, fast-paced game to cater to them. If SC2 can get away with no subsystems and just a HP based system of hard counters, then surely HW could as well, some MBA undoubtedly thought. It's a lot more complex than just "societal decay". All software is getting more complicated because more is asked of it than ever before. But, that's just from a technical game development perspective. The narrative design flop was 100% due to societal decay. People were put in charge who should not have been seemingly purely due to social and ideological reasons, which was conscious strategic sabotage of product quality.

[@terryhiggins5077]

I honestly think most of the blame can be but squarely at gearbox's feet. This whole thing feels like corporate meddling

[@Hektor1020]

From the time i play through the xtrem short campaign and recognised how boring empty this game with scirmis and multi mode just let there and uninstall. There are no completely different factions. The campaign can only be played with one race with ONE FACTION!!!!! and is so short and boring it's worthless. The controls are not user friendly. Uneasy ships with boring weapons. The player doesn't even know where they are in space, I don't even have the feeling of being in space because the huge structures are like playing on earth. A hat of garbage without good content. Good graphics is worthless without good story and content. They could learn from the Sin of solar empire.

[@karolis.burzinskas]

This game is a joke. It's ruining the whole franchise, somewhat like Homeworld mobile...

[@pf6797]

Oh a hot take.

[@CriticalRocket]

I have been waiting until the Kalan pack to give them the benefit of the doubt and they just haven't made the progress the wider community expected, especially given the high cost of the game and how they could have made something really memorable. It sucks to make a video slagging it off, but I also don't think people should be asked to pay that much and get something inferior compared to the previous games in the series.