LoreWarrior Campaigns - The Battle of Tukayyid part 2

[@nikolajsteffensen6578]

HEY SMOKE JAGUAR! REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD A CLAN!?

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

"Holy shit it's the Eridani Light Horse!"

[@Squiggles01]

They got Fochted!

[@sanguiniusonvacation1803]

Smoked jaguars

[@nineballmk2]

They are back…

[@MysteryMastery69]

This doesn't hit right without Tex's laugh after that line.

[@PartigradeCannon]

Hippity Hoppity, Get Off My Property! [Insert BlackPantsLegion quotes here]

[@tmontgomery9255]

The clan lost because they didn't have urbies or fiesta pail

[@marceledel8619]

Saying that Tukayyid was a "bad day" for the Clans is a great understatement.

[@Squiggles01]

They got fochted!

[@Jamhael1]

It was the time where the Space AT&T told to the Clans "GET BENT, WEIRDO!"

[@KillerOrca]

"Melee combat in a mech is dishonorable" So your telling me the Tau taught the clanners how to brawl? XD

[@CriticalRocket]

haha

[@bthsr7113]

An unusual inversion, but usually smarter.

[@KillerOrca]

@@bthsr7113 Well yeah, considering most weapons with any punch have minimal ranges. You get into brawling range and unless your piloting a Hatchetman, you're kinda in the shit. No LRMs, no lasers for the most part. MAYBE MGs and Flamers but those arent gonna do much.

[@PartigradeCannon]

I'm pretty sure that Tau don't ascribe honourlessness to melee. Just stupidity.

[@sid2112]

@@PartigradeCannon as an avid BATTLETECH gamer, I can say with certainty that a good melee can win a match.

[@coldrage20t8]

So the clans lost because they are duelists not soldiers got it. New to battletech but theses videos are really cool

[@CriticalRocket]

They have a very strict code of conduct on the battlefield and at first they fight using their methods only, which given their technical superiority works for them quite well. But as time goes on and the Inner Sphere start using their own honour system against them, the clans begin to issue less challenges to the inner sphere defenders. Ultimately though the very system of bargaining and haggling over victory conditions is used against them to end the invasion.

[@codyraugh6599]

The clans developed in a harsh climate with limited resources. So they are used to the idea of limiting losses through betting on honor duels by elites. The Inner Sphere has no reason to act in such a manner. And without a technological edge, the Inner sphere's only early advantage was numbers and the existence of tactics that heavily punished Clan style warfare. By "the dark age" the clans had learned their lessons. But the technology gap has been mostly closed leaving the clans more or less with just better soldiers that they need to ensure are better equipped than the hoards they face now. The Clans still favor wagering their forces and short conflicts where a quick alpha strike will allow them to win, but the field tactics have changed.

[@kinggoten]

@@codyraugh6599 very true, but the idea of having less losses by attacking an enemy that outnumbers you by such an insane amount by using as little resources as possible is kind of an insane way to go about reducing losses if they attacked together with overwhelming force it would of made them basicly take no losses in many major battles, or in some cases avoid being defeated in said battles. With that said I love how it was handled, it is a great way to bring a superior faction into a setting and allow them to be superior in every way but gimp them severly to allow the "good guys" to win, without some ex-machina or magic etc...(stuff Star Trek and the like do all the time)

[@Meodread]

@@kinggoten It's more a long term thinking and expectation that the enemy would behave in a clan like manner, they didn't. The Clan for example did not understand that civilians would fight them (as Clan civs wouldn't) and most of the clans refused to evolve that thinking. The Jaguars and Falcons for example punished warriors (Brandon Howell and Aidan Pryde) for winning by unclan means, ie adapting to the enemy. It goes to show the power of 100 of years of success doing something and the inability to shrug it off. The Wolves adapted, the Bears slightly and the Falcons same (they basically suspended the dueling rules of combat but they otherwise fought like Clanners).

[@aker1993]

@@Meodread Sarah McEvedy knew that the clan system is flawed in the begin with too rigid and the lack of cohesion of invading clans due to inter clan rivalries making their operation to lose was set in stone.

[@christopherbodan6483]

The image at the 8:00 mark is actually a Clan Goliath Scorpion MechWarrior; a member of their Seaker sect, in fact, as demonstrated by the uniform colors. It appears as the fourth color plate in Field Manual: Warden Clans, 1998 (artist: Matt Wilson).

[@CriticalRocket]

Quite right. The section of sarna I used for the image was wrong and has been updated recently. Not much I can do now about that sadly since youtube removed annotations in early May so I can't even correct it that way.

[@christopherbodan6483]

They took out annotations? WTH KZbin? How is this an improvement of service/product in any way? Sorry. I very much enjoy your work here, and I greatly appreciate somebody bringing BT lore to the people like this. Keep it up.

[@CriticalRocket]

Yeah, thanks for the pointing out the error. I will see if there is some other way of highlighting that. Have a good one :)

[@fightgarr]

Man I love the battletech lore thanks for doing these.

[@CriticalRocket]

No problem :) I enjoy making them and glad you enjoy them.

[@MenialMunk]

Really liking this series man, well done.

[@multiversepatriot3148]

TLDR; The Clans brought their best. And Space AT&T said 'get bent wierdo.' Pay your HBG bills folks

[@Sumaire_STi]

Damn - solid work. Very cool, sir. ^_^ One small recommendation for you for future videos like this, when it comes to trying to keep track of so many different battle-forces involved: You could possibly make use of the side-bar areas for possibly listing the units that are actively involved in the conflict you're actively describing (Specific Clan forces on the left, Involved Com Guard units on the right, for instance), and then changing them to red in color when the unit is either destroyed or withdrawn during your description of the event, and adding units to the list when they enter the battle. Just a thought, and kind of a rough one, at that.

[@CriticalRocket]

Could be worth a go, the main issue being when I have line them up with the dialogue and I am inherently lazy haha

[@adghknoruvy]

loved it awsome beautifully delivered. cant wait for more

[@naomy1701]

Always again amaze me how dich and deep BTs lore is >_< thats alot for ur lorewarrior series, i love it!

[@CriticalRocket]

And still plenty more to be done :)

[@Kantari_star]

great series love how well you do the lore series

[@FuzzyNova]

so I have been driving for about I don't know 45 minutes so far and I decided to put this on through my car speakers and it's great it's just like a storybook Your Voice pops it's got that cool English accent really really awesome you always do a good job

[@CriticalRocket]

Glad you like them :)

[@joshuachapman247]

I hope you do more of this. The Twycross Campaign would be cool or the Luthien.

[@CriticalRocket]

It is a long term plan. Got sidetracked with mercs, aerotech and vehicles. But the plan is to return to campaigns.

[@billrich9722]

I really enjoy these series of yours. I hope you keep doing more long form readings.

[@CriticalRocket]

I need to get more of the short stories done. I will try and get one recorded this weekend alongside more lorewarriors.

[@billrich9722]

@@CriticalRocket Don’t kill yourself for it. But your work is appreciated. I’m a little surprised to see how many new KZbinrs are jumping on the BattleTech bandwagon. The quality varies but I find that your steady narration is the easiest and most engaging to listen to.

[@CriticalRocket]

Thanks Bill :) I know a lot of these people are from the GW debacle when they turned on the machninma creators so they told GW to suck it basically and went to Battletech.

[@billrich9722]

@@CriticalRocket Yeah, I heard about that. GW seems like they cannot stop shitting the bed. I feel bad for their players and I'm still pissy over the loss of TTS.

[@pantherace1000]

i posted this on blackpants video on Tukayyid but i think it bears repeating. Tukayyid reminds me a lot of the Citadel Offencive in 1943. The Red Army arrange a defence in depth along an obvious threat to the german front line on the eastern front (analigus to Comstar issuing a challange). They proceed to fortify it with dug in anti-tank guns, minefields, barbed wire, trenches, presighted artillery, and nearly two million incredibly pissed russians. On top of this the Stavka not only know where the attack is going to take place, but what units were going to be involved, and to the minute of when the offensive was going to start. When Army Group South and Army Group Center launch their attacks they are stonewalled by forces they thought inferior. Even as the cream of the crop is being put through a meat grinder division, and corp level commanders kept saying "victory is near". When in reality they had barely made any headway.

[@CriticalRocket]

Oh the paralell's to WW2 are very heavy with the clan invasion and yes Tukayyid is a great example of using a real life conflict to flesh out your sci-fi one.

[@medicegon5476]

Sooo umm Battle of Luthien?

[@CriticalRocket]

Coming in a while. Want to get the history of the star league done and then move back into campaigns mixed with famous merc units.

[@asvagar8163]

got a question: now that i started reading the novels again, i wonder if you maybe want to do something like BattleTech Legends, giving a short overview over famous people in the BT series, for example, Jaime Wolf, Natasha Kerensky, Aidan Prde, Kai Allard-Liao and so on? granted some of those would be veeery long, reference Natasha Kerensky, but i think it'd be actually cool to see a bit about those people. or, maybe less time consuming, the people behind some of the machines in MW:O, like Yen-lo-wang, Legendkiller, the Black Widow / Widowmaker 'mechs. just a thought ;)

[@CriticalRocket]

It's certainly a topic I will cover one day. Natasha and her lot will get some coverage when I make the Merc unit lorewarriors. The next one is going to be another three part series about the Star League, then it's mercs. Then it's famous campaigns and then it's vehicles, aerotech, dropships, jumpships and likely then going with some famous folks.

[@asvagar8163]

and this is why i love your channel ;)

[@johnmoore8599]

There's a lot of material in this one. Hope your voice didn't give out!

[@CriticalRocket]

It nearly went at the end, but a nice brew helped with that.

[@thomasc.3832]

If the clans fought like the IS i have no doubt they would have conquered Terra in no time

[@thomasc.3832]

oh and where do you get all the images from?

[@CriticalRocket]

Just around the net, mostly sarna.net but also searches of things like MWO's forum and the repainted concept art section.

[@zchen27]

Probably why the Bears, Falcons, and Wolves came out on top. They are had the closest mindset to the no-nonsense mindset of the Inner Sphere, and it paid off.

[@imperialus1]

But on the flip side, not fighting like IS is what allowed the clans to survive in a way that allowed them to invade in the first place.

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

You mean. fought like actual soldiers instead of suicidal morons?

[@georgesulea]

Great narration:)

[@adghknoruvy]

hey rocket love your videos you should make a reading list of books you like.l love the battle tech universe but there are so many books i dont know where to start and which ones are better. keep up the lore love it

[@ogrehaslayers605]

MechWarrior Trent is a hero of the Inner Sphere

[@Vielthic]

Awesome!!!!

[@grav4315]

Great vid man, really love the details you put into this video. One thing i never understood though is where did comstar get all these elite/veteran troopers? To the best of my knowledge comstar never fought any major campaigns within the inner sphere. The lore however, makes it sound like these troops were experienced combatants.

[@CriticalRocket]

Well comstar had been conducting clandestine missions for years against the great houses. Usually when one of the houses were close to discovering a lost star league cache or possibly a wreck of a ship etc. basically anything they could use to improve their tech level. So some units would be dropped in all white 'mechs to attack the target and make sure no one reports what was there. The battletech universe was full of reports of unidentified white battlemechs that hadn't been seen in centuries, usually leading to one house accusing the other of attacking them. Nobody suspected Comstar of having a fully functioning army, let alone one equipped exclusively with Star League era tech.

[@lucassmith4524]

I believe, along with what crit said a year ago, Comstar inherited several BrianCastles, including a very large one on Terra. Also, ComStar has interests stretching far and wide across the Inner Sphere and periphery. The security apparatus to keep all those HPG stations not only safe but Untouchable would have to be /seen/ as being truly massive. Keeping all those Troops secret would not help ComStar...I would think.

[@WordBearer86]

@Lucas Smith What kept the Houses from going after ComStar, primarily, was that if it were to occur Comstar would 'excommunicate' that House from their services effectively putting an entire Successor State in a communications blackout. Comstar was the only institution that had the knowledge and technical expertise to operate and maintain the HPG networks and you could only learn this knowledge after decades of indoctrination, usually starting at a very young age. Additionally being that Comstar's services are provided to all, their influence reaches up to the highest levels of a society - and down to the lowest. They don't even really need an army, the Com Guards are mostly there as a trump card should all else fail. Their chief deterrence to aggression, in short, is the dependency everyone has on them.

[@lucassmith4524]

Ulric Kessler This is all true of course. However in the war of 3039 Hanse Davion, foreseeing a blackout band his scientists working on a so called “black box” technology , that, when coupled with jump ship command circuits, enabled him to continue fighting. This did not help his economy, which is, in my view, he sued for peace.

[@WordBearer86]

The black box technology did indeed help Hanse Davion continue his war, but they were essentially HPG versions of a fax machine and if memory serves they had a very limited range and the information that could be sent was vastly limited in comparison to an actual HPG 'data packet'. Even then, and as you've pointed out, they still relied on ships to operate as message couriers. Had Hanse perhaps figured out a way of introducing such devices to the civilian market things may have turned out differently. My initial point however is not over the Fourth Succession war, nor as to why Hanse Davion ended it - personally I think there were a number of factors contributing to it. However since you bought it up this actually furthers my point as to why ComStar does not actually need it's military force to be seen in order to protect it's facilities. This being that the ComStar blackout was one of the big reasons why the FedCom economy began to crumble - in addition to the drain the war was having on it already. That communications blackout was universal, it affects not just the Fed Com military but it's public and private sectors too. All things from trade, resource gathering and material production, and the state infrastructure as a whole depend on communications being quick and efficient in order to function at all. I mean the list just goes on and on as to the wide and multi-variant ways in which being excommunicated by ComStar is more than enough to bring a Successor State to it's knees given little time with little effort. Why bother showing everyone that you have an army as a contingency plan, when you can hide that army and it's strengths/weaknesses from being observed by potentially hostile powers it may very well one day be called upon to fight? If anyone makes a power grab against ComStar, ComStar will be pissing in that dumb ass's cheerios and their wheaties within minutes (slight exaggeration, but it gives me a chuckle).

[@sarahts21]

Great YT has been hiding your uploads from me... brb, watching backlog.

[@CriticalRocket]

Ah the infamous unsubscribe thing youtube claims isn't happening.

[@sarahts21]

Critical Rocket Thing is my YT sub is active and hasn't changed... but it looks like half of your video's going back to that Marauder game play never appeared in my feed.

[@CriticalRocket]

Sissy Yeah youtube has been buggy for months now, either removing people from subs or just hiding feeds in favour of promoting channels that fit their view of what yt should be these days.

[@sarahts21]

Critical Rocket Perhaps YT/Google would enjoy more profit if it let me decide what I want to watch rather than foisting hot knives cutting stuff in my face. *grumble grumble*

[@CriticalRocket]

Sissy Yeah that became a big fad all of a sudden for some reason. Even hat films made a parody of it.

[@VectorGhost]

Awesome video, im guessing your getting to move on to your next serise of lore. i throw these videos up on the BT forums on facialbook. Sidenote: You REALLY need to check warrior living legends. You might have a mini-gasm

[@CriticalRocket]

Thanks for sharing the links :) I haven't had a look at living legends yet, mainly because I haven't got a copy of crysis anymore to run the mod.

[@VectorGhost]

Get it! so much worth it, its what freakin mechwarrior online should be. Wish they'd kick start it or something. i'm guessing mercenary's are next?

[@CriticalRocket]

VectorGhost I was surprised to hear it was back given the original was closed by PGI and sean tracy now works for Star Citizen devs cloud imperium.

[@VectorGhost]

What they should do is kick start it or pgi buy it and replace it with the F2p none sense that is mwo. Or someone should get it and throw in the new mechs from pgi.

[@CriticalRocket]

That would be nice.

[@SQW0]

Appreciate the big upload. Wouldn't have minded if you have cut it into 3 extra parts to farm some extra YT money. =)

[@CriticalRocket]

I don't get any youtube money from this channel, it's all free :)

[@kinggoten]

@@CriticalRocket you should, you get enough views and subs to make a few extra bucks just doing stuff like this which I imagine is fun for you.

[@Track_Tension]

I again need to express how FASA seemed to make clan Wolf just too powerful than the other clans. This was the clan's Vietnam. (Clan Wolf was likely mirrored off of US Special Forces) Com Star hand not only numbers but Star League level equipment. (Technical Readout 2750) The plan was to break the tip of the spear of each of the clans elite units. The movie 300 comes to mind. The best of the best getting worn down by sheer numbers. (The other half being the lack of logistics on the clan side)

[@CriticalRocket]

I always felt the writers really loved Davion in the same way. They always seemed to have the best deal out of everything with very few losses of significance while other houses got badly beaten by them.

[@Track_Tension]

Critical Rocket But then ComStar stepped in. And it was more Steiner industry / production that turned the war around. And there was still infighting even in House Davion.

[@christopherbodan6483]

To be fair, that's largely true only of the Fourth Succession War, and that is a product of the Warrior storyline. Outside of that, the Federated Suns/Federated Commonwealth suffered more or less on par with the others (see War of 3039, Clan Invasion, and the FedCom Civil War). Wolf's Dragoons are the real Mary Sues.

[@codyraugh6599]

Christopher Bodan yup, who the wolf Dragoons are lead by clan wolf. I really despise Clan Wolf it feels like they just took Wolfs dragoons then made them a clan, made them completely disrespectful of their founder, who also is the founder of all the clans, and completely screwing over the other clans, but with no real punishment.

[@kinggoten]

@@codyraugh6599 I'm not very familar with the lore(mostly only play the video games MW4+expansions was a huge part of my childhood), but I don't really understand why Clan Wolf would send the dargoons to prepare the inner sphere, is this explained somewhere?

[@thepbg8453]

The Battle of Tukayyid once again proving: Clan Wolf are mary sues :P

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

Not really Clan Wolf outfitted it omnimechs with enrgy weapons.So they couldn't run out of ammunition.Plus they brought in plenty of suplys.Protected their supply bases well.Lastly they did bid well bringing in enough wariors.

[@acehigh79]

The wolves are the only clan that actually did their homework. Proper recon and intel gathering payed off for them. They were the only clan that understood exactly what they were up against. And the wolves performed admirably by fighting more of a guerrilla war. Ohh and they also rescued ghost bear from complete annihilation. They joined forces with the surviving bears to cause trouble for the IS in their sector.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

actually the Ebon Jaguar is called the Caldron-Born by almost everyone but the smoke jaguars.

[@CriticalRocket]

I always did for a long time before finding the name was ebon jaguar. Smoke jags should have run with it.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

@@CriticalRocket I'm saying in lore.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Critical Rocket it’s a bit of a retcon. The Ebon Jaguar name wasn’t established until TRO 3058 Upgrade, which came out in 2006. The Cauldron-Born was first introduced in the scenario pack Luthien, which came out in 1993.

[@lord6617]

part 2 already?!?! eeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[@CriticalRocket]

Well part 1 was so successful I had to get part 2 up this week.

[@phoboskittym8500]

You really down play comstar's victory

[@CriticalRocket]

This was the original set which used the sarna page info. The more recent remastered series uses the full timeline of the battle and yes it better emphasises Comstars victory and how close they came to defeat a few times.

[@godzilladestroyscities1757]

Blackpantslegion's version is better.

[@CriticalRocket]

To each their own. I doubt Tex is in some life or death struggle to be the best with me or anything. I don't think there needs to be a factional view on this really. He does good work with some very talented people around him. I make these on my own as a hobby for no profit or request for money, no advertising or a desire to beat anybody really.