Crossed Over: Jordan vs. Iverson | ComplexCon(versations)

Michael Jordan is thought by many to be the Greatest of All Time on the court, and his eponymous sneakers birthed modern sneaker culture-however, has his influence on the culture been quietly eclipsed by Allen Iverson? Victor Cruz, Jerry Lorenzo, Kerby Jean-Raymond, Jesse Jones aka Filayyyy, Jemele Hill, and Pierce Simpson discuss and debate the merits of the two.
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[@ill-nois2282]

AI always keeping it real, always humble. An icon on and off the court, salute to the OG.

[@dawnpratt846]

Fact !

[@chadhannan]

With the exception of Jerry, these cats know nothing about MJ...too young. MJ was life in the 90's. AI knows this, just listen to him talk about Mike.

[@supremelegacy290]

In the 90s every one wanted to be like mike in the early 20s everyone wanted to be like Iverson

[@Phillygoat1983]

Facts

[@L.Harris23]

This is a generational discussion...none of these guys are probably over 32. They dont understand that MJs influence was similar to AIs in the 80s. Jordan started the baggy shorts, earrings, bald head, etc.

[@iandistel6751]

I feel like it is age but iverson did influence people and so did MJ so they both did a part in the NBA

[@L.Harris23]

@@iandistel6751 Very true...just wish they would've had some panelists that grew up in the Jordan era. I witnessed both being a high school junior when A.I. was drafted. I would say the Fab 5 had just as much hip-hop influence as A.I. and they got their baggy shorts and black shoes from MJ.

[@FrankCollins8732]

A couple of the people are in their 40's

[@dylanfreedman8717]

he didn’t start the bald head stupidest think i’ve seen ever

[@L.Harris23]

@@dylanfreedman8717 You're a clown...AI didn't start cornrows but he is the main player associated with that hairstyle. Same with Jordan and bald...cats were cutting their hair off to look like MJ.

[@mrnajee1]

Mike started Hip Hop culture as the NBA with Spike Lee. Spike Lee epitomized Hip Hop of the time and was the AI of Hollywood. No Jordan, no AI, Hip Hop or otherwise.

[@plainpawesome]

This is where culture becomes frayed... When you try to take down those who laid the foundation. Michael Jordan never played to make friends... He don't care if the other players hated him... Hip hop fashion, before this set of "leading followers" dictating the future, followed greatness and excellence... Why do you think for years it's diamonds gold and Gucci? Even AI looked up to Jordan, so for you guys to pit AI vs MJ it's the new Biggie vs Pac conversation. Your opinion doesn't make it truth. The division in the 90s that I witnessed along with the East Coast West Coast are tragic. Like MJ and AI, Pac and Big were both great and it's been a tragic loss that the hip hop community (and the world in my opinion) still has not fully recovered from. Just look around at all the fakeness and you know I'm right. These kids never watched Jordan... This gig was so set up with AI invited. Let's no longer continue to be divided on which family members to side with and just be family. I got love for AI and really appreciate him.

[@dallas317]

people forget jordan can fly!

[@jdizzlebizzle2044]

Yall corn balls are so wrong on describing A.I. ... He was the truth! He did him he repped him and of you didnt like him that was your problem! Jordan on the other hand was in a lane by himself ! Everyone wanted to be like Mike ...

[@Dmoney2688]

rite on point

[@CuZzOtWaN]

They said that in so many words

[@jdizzlebizzle2044]

@@CuZzOtWaN right

[@bthanhim]

Skinny jeans, lame, corny ass niggas

[@CuZzOtWaN]

@@bthanhim fuck you talking about ol lost ass nigga

[@bowling4clarity817]

Jordan was like a superhero. More aspirational , that's probably a big reason why his shoes were so desirable, it was like the only piece of Airness we could achieve and make our own. AI more relatable, it was like your lil cousin going from rags to riches and watching him triumph and make his mistakes along the way .

[@TheRaidernation33]

bowling 4clarity yeah everyone wanted to be like MJ the athleticism the swag toughness and a winner his legacy is can never be touched

[@mikejordan3164]

Very well put

[@WhiteTheTruth]

They gone be talking bout that damn crossover for the next 60 yrs

[@BigFrozone]

Why the video so short 🤨 But man they should’ve invited MJ too 🤦🏽‍♂️ the first real sit down of them too talking on camera 🔥 that’s 100m views right there

[@Dmoney2688]

thought he was bout to say we talking about practice 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@mikejones4493]

Yall lookin at the wrong plays ai was torching embarrassing dudes ask Antonio Daniels 😂

[@JordanClemons]

There is no balance on this "panel". Dude keeps talking about why he doesn't or didn't like Jordan

[@elcalifornio9356]

A.I. is and always will be my favorite player of all time. A.I. was influenced by the hip hop culture but mj was/is so iconic that he influenced the hip hop culture even though he's not even into hip hop.. Why do you think rappers like Jay Z and athletes like Mayweather announce "retirement" only to keep coming back? MJ started all that. Skills were equal but mj's drive, intelligence and dedication to the game were levels above AI and that's what separates them.

[@llw53one]

Listen I’m definitely an A.I. Fan! Period. BUT Jordan was the innovator. Even today people still wear Jordans. Jordan is a world wide household name. I believe that this panel is a little bias just due to age range. They were both greats and I respect them both. A.I. Does seem more like someone you could meet and be cool with. Jordan seems like your dads friend that you respect.

[@shanteecoleman8109]

Jordan SEEMS tht WAY for U👈🏿 cause eventdently u didnt come from tht ERA 🤷🏿

[@dontevertouchmyhat1169]

If Odell Beckham is the closest thing to A.I. I know I'm in the matrix.

[@TheBoyJenius]

facts!

[@momo.ru-kun]

Young blood this is a generational thing. MJ made the baggy shirts, shorts, earrings, necklace, Nike sneaks, wrist and calf band, and the number 23 at the back of everybody's jersey popular during the 90s. Eventually Iverson became my favorite player after MJ but his style wasn't for everybody.

[@craigdaniels616]

MJ is older than Iverson. MJ did a video with Micheal Jackson. They come alone at a different tyme.

[@garvinjoseph5131]

This dude with the glasses definitely came on some anti Jordan aspect nobody ask for those responses. But I agree tho Jordan tend to forget the urban community are the one who supports you the most.

[@clafeborne1114]

Mj is still the god he is still your airness bow down you kids

[@WhatAboutall]

Jordan has give millions of more than your whole family that ever will exist has to black people, he just don't boast and brag like other niggas like to do when they do a little something

[@garvinjoseph5131]

What About that wasn’t the point of my comment

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Little white kids support him too

[@williamjeffers3472]

Jordan didn't grow up in the urban community grew up in Southeastern North Carolina that ain't very

[@christopherglenn6203]

That cross over shook Jordan to the core " witch way did he go"

[@LanceJ.]

Guess why AI and everyone in the 90s were wearing baggy clothes? MJ made it fashionable to wear baggy shorts when everyone else was wearing the John Stockton short shorts.

[@michaelreid8548]

Michael Jordan made the sport globo Michael Jordan influence athletes to wear Nikes Michael Jordan influence athlete to wear baggy shorts in the 80s and early 90s a lot of kids in America wanted to be like Michael Jordan hands down Allen Iverson himself wanted to be like Michael Jordan so Michael Jordan to me had a bigger impact then any athlete of all time

[@alZiiHardstylez]

No one on this 'panel' has anything to do with basketball. A fashion designer? What? A social media comedian? What? I should have noticed it was a Complex video with its typical hypebeast bullshit. I've barely managed to stomach 5 minutes and it's totally clear to me, not one of them know anything of the game. Save yourself 20 minutes and watch Open Court.

[@IndianReactionsguy]

This is he said she said with the Jordan stories ....and for this they should’ve got people who loved Jordan more they didn’t talk about him getting fined for wearing the ones and the spike lee colaab this is trash

[@princewya]

Time to Play uno AI has undergone worse treatment than MJ

[@princewya]

Shaun King -If you really think that Iverson didn’t practice, you’re crazy. -And I’m talking about the dress code issue -The refs conspiring against Iverson -The misinterpretation of the practice rant leading to the idea of him not practicing -Being called a thug by the media even though he’s representing where he’s from -Being called a ballhog, even though the offense definitely ran through him as his own coach requested he should take the bulk of the team’s shots to ensure at chance at winning. -And being disregarded as the best guard to ever play the game at size -The idea that he fell off in Denver even though he averaged between 24 and 26 per game

[@IndianReactionsguy]

Prince O. Not about worse they make it seem like Jordan didn’t go through shit gtfoh they need Stephen a smith and skip Bayless up there to light that ass up u can’t take he said she said and make it fact

[@princewya]

Time to Play uno Oh Jordan did have his own problems, but not as much as Iverson had to go through. People are still claiming that Iverson is broke right now 😂😂😂 lmao you don’t hear anyone lying on Jordan nowadays

[@BigSlim3600]

Jordan changed on court style as far as him switching from the tight shorts to the baggy shorts he switched that mode in the league, ai switched the mode by being a street a guy before he came

[@Tunz-qh2wr]

Other than Victor Cruz and of course Jemel Hill. Who are these cats speaking on Legends?

[@droc85ncm]

These dude are crazy. They didnt grow up in the Jordan era. So I can they speak on him. Iverson is a prodigy of Jordan

[@thatsamuellu]

The game that AI and sixers defeat Kobe&Shaq Lakers game was the most inspired sports game, period.

[@BuzzLiteBeer]

It's really easy to lose sight of the question being asked. Are we asking about the most impact on the game? Or the most impact on the culture? Or are we talking about who the better human being was?

[@sichulroh]

ㅣ

[@mikestacks3959]

Yall like his baggy clothes but everbody got on skinny jeans on stage! Gtfoh

[@kelvingillett5331]

All I know is when two of there games combined in me on the court I never freeze .

[@williamjeffers3472]

This is a Iverson PR campaign. Everyone knew this kid was going to be good. I am older than that panel and they don't know Jordan's had already elevated from the street type life. Tobacco's and all that was way behind them. Teachey NC was behind James Jordan. They were in Wilmington raising him off of GE and Banking money raised this kid. As for forgetting where he came from, he would come to Teachey road park and play pickup with the guys from the community. They still talk about the battles today. I was not fan fair. When he hit the league, he could even come to the court or hid grandfather's house without sneaking in. He could even enjoy his grand mother's good cooking. Groupies everywhere!!!

[@fresh_printz]

The "Culture" is Hip Hop n fashion. AI was about both. MJ got da shoes but AI did da clothing, diff hair, n da jewels. He made rappers wanna b hoopers n hoopers wanna b rappers.

[@jayjayart1]

I know ppl think Jordan is better but A.I always been my favorite player even back then and iverson has had a big influence till this day to and fought for what he wanted and Jordan in a path of his own but sorry ppl a.i my choice and deserves more respect 🐐🐐

[@IndianReactionsguy]

It's a fact that Michael Jordan is a better player than ai

[@rocsteady5293]

Im 29 yrs old grew up in the AI genration. These niggas saying AI is more of an influence than Jordan cuz he wore baggy clothes and could “rap” and went to jail. AI is a G and one of a kind but these mfs praisin him for the wrong reasons.

[@furkan.akkaya]

Putting MJ's success over the years and just mentioning AI's style against it on the intro is a disrespect

[@702TifosiGambler]

15:40 when people say AI is 5’9 or 5’10 but same height as Vic Cruz who was also listed at 6’0. I met AI I’m 5’10 and he was taller than me

[@MacP12]

Man mj didn’t have to deal with all the social media shit and everything but people gotta realize social media can help build your character up too lebron uses that to his advantage all the time especially wit that I promise school

[@Jordan5s]

Why one dude keep bringing up legal issues? 😂🤔

[@Consciousnes764]

Lol that's what I was thinking 👏

[@Da34Box]

he's probably told to ask those questions.

[@cliffdavis9618]

He tryn to bill Cosby Jordan smdh...

[@theloverswineverytime1625]

Bcus THAT guy is the hater on the panel. Gotta have at least one of them SoB's on a sports-discussion panel/roundtable.

[@joshuareynolds7330]

HE DIDN'T NEED TO DO THT

[@Rodrigo4391]

AI been the GOAT, this aint nothing new...

[@thegod9364]

Who said mj didn't not lik hip hop A.l. just embraced it more

[@timcarmeloclark]

Allen Iverson was the 2pac of basketball

[@dolobrolic6066]

“The culture” is be over used......like that wack ass cross over.......and mike still almost blocked it....and they lost .....and mike got another chip!!!

[@michaelgraves7718]

That’s my G! VA stand up! I remember when we used to play him in HS and he was always the best player on the court. Always humble, never acted too good to speak. Most VA athletes are like this. Michael Vick is the same way. Proud of my area, we produce legends!

[@Gunther-pr8jd]

Allen Iverson, Michael Vick and Ronald Curry from the same district? What an overflow of talent!

[@michaelgraves7718]

Yes they are from the Hampton/Newport News area. It’s actually called the 757/ Tidewater area/ or the 7 cities. They include Va Beach/ Norfolk/ Portsmouth/Chesapeake/Hampton/Newport News/Suffolk. Stars like Missy, Timberland, Magoo, The Clips/ Ferrell/ Mike Vick/ Curry/ Iverson/ Alonzo Mourning/Moses Malone/Tyrod Taylor/ Deangelo Hall/ Russell Wilson/ Plaxico Burress just to name a few stars from the 757. 😉

[@Gunther-pr8jd]

I've lived in Tidewater Virginia most of my life and currently reside in Suffolk. Timbaland attended Salem High School in Virginia Beach with me, but I didn't realize it until reading a bio of his.

[@michaelgraves7718]

Gunther 8544 I’m in Suffolk too bro. Magoo is one of my homies, he’s out here too

[@Gunther-pr8jd]

400-meter Olympic gold medalist LaShawn Merritt now resides in Suffolk and has been spotted training at Kings Fork High School. I live within walking distance from there.

[@tommywilliams8170]

Should have had people on the panel from both area's.

[@letitflock1397]

AI influence was bigger than MJ

[@BigSlim3600]

Jordan started the baggy style on court, they was wearing tight shorts til Jordan switched the mode

[@jonathanlewis6834]

LET IT FLOCK got 2 disagree!! Iverson was a beast, but he isn’t a Jordan!! I grew up n tht era!!

[@EHN2024]

A.I was up there but not bigger

[@Rubrick23.]

Stop

[@jonathanlewis6834]

Enoch Heavens I agree ☝️ homie one of the greatest ... number 3 in my humble opinion. Jordan/Kobe/Iverson

[@jdizzlebizzle2044]

All DL dudes

[@itskyyuuuu]

Jemelle hill hahaha WHAT THE FUCK

[@brotaku8619]

This dude is so humble man

[@AkilMcLeod]

Listen right here 2:35... Did filay really just say that AI pissed on him. I’m confused

[@Blackmachismoo]

AI in college was nasty.

[@terrancehoskins9891]

I love that people still talking about my boy Ai his legacy will never die

[@justinpigg9413]

When your idols become your rivals/ You have to AI em for your survival/ And hit him with that MJ fade away/

[@jodye3439]

Jerry looks like Jesus 😂

[@cameronpalomo2873]

Iverson all the way

[@DarellDavie1]

Total Waste of time

[@blockhustlahoodlumbleeda7072]

18:29 is screen still of two of the hottest shoes ever to hit the basketball court

[@conroebanksmusic2965]

Micheal Jordan. The man n The Myth

[@dolobrolic6066]

BRON BRON gets..... DUNKED ON POSTER STYLE.......no one says anything about it. 🤨

[@kimmonewright6553]

Allen Iversion Is The G.O.A.T 🐐

[@kimmonewright6553]

@Jermaine Nixon Practice or no practice didn't stop the fact that he was great on the court...

[@kimmonewright6553]

@Shaun King Iversion is great by how hard he played and how determined he was and his impact on the game and culture. Iverson is so great that people think he won a ring and he didn't. Jordan, Steph Curry or any top basketball player wouldn't win a championship by themselves. Basketball is a team sport not a one person sport. No one person makes a basketball team.

[@cheymilion3168]

Yeah in china

[@PepeAgain1025]

I think its kinda stupid how a person is seen to be 'less black' if they don't listen hip-hop, dress a certain way etc.

[@wikdpisakixfinn3638]

A.I. single Handedly Changed the N.B.A, FACTX 💨💨💨💨...I LOVE when people say A.I. made me Dress a certain way when I was already Dressing that way 4years 😂😂😂😂😂

[@andymacedo5821]

It's not gonna happen the way Donny wants it to it never was & never will ! Break the story & tell the FUCKING TRUTH ! I'll back it up & then some ! Tell the FUCKING TRUTH !

[@olheadgohard9131]

I'm sorry...I must say it. AI didn't influence the culture...he took the culture that influenced him to the NBA. Street niggas influenced the culture. He was tryna immolate the way he saw how street dudes and rappers looked. And if his cornrows nd baggy clothes are his legacy...a legacy that CANT BE COMPARED TO MJ. I was dressing in baggy clothes looong before I knew of AI. No pro athlete ever influenced how I dressed or lived. Kick rocks wit that BS Jemele Hill super duper thick😍😍😍

[@TheYagomestre]

Michael Jordan is jazz music. It's unmatched technique, superb work ethic, traditional and trailblazer, cult, sophisticated, almost divine. Allen Iverson is pure hip-hop.

[@EHN2024]

A.I game changer

[@nms6431]

MJ=Beyonce and AI=Rhianna.... I can hang with Rhianna and watch a movie and chill.... Beyonce... not so much, like the doll on the shelf in the box you don't play with

[@williamperson3577]

Jordan = Superman A.I.= Batman May seem silly but that says it all. As a society, we obviously love Batman (legacy, legend, movie franchises, etc.) more than Superman. If this panel is any indication.

[@DrBrownish]

A chosen few have definitely heard about Jordan's off the court dark side but DAMN... DEFINITELY don't think this was the platform to bring up the chamillionaire sitchu, my guy with the glasses should have been screened before even being chosen for something that was supposed to be uplifting lol but I will say that he has views that I DO agree with

[@moistymer-man8595]

Jordan #1 fuck politics Bill Russell #2 11 rings true leader knew how to win against Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point scoring 50 rebounds grabbing dominant playa super athlete ass

[@FutureCivilWarHero]

Yes "as blacks, we don't all have to love what we're supposed to love." I suppose that should also apply to politics. Stop shaming and defaming guys who DON'T conform to liberalism and it's nonsense!!

[@streetcredi3693]

They just painted a better picture of micheal then they did A.I THEY TRYED TO BLACK BALL MY NIGGA IVERSON

[@kj7682]

3:52 in and I'm out. Bruh just said he didn't see either player ball. Doesn't know why AI was talking about practice, he has nothing to add to the convo. Complex...do better.

[@timkruse9912]

cringe.

[@69thnstony]

This is a horrible / one-sided panel. They’re scared to give Jordan props because of how Jordan is viewed currently...only problem with that is the (con)versation isn’t set in current times.

[@21kpetts]

The Panel is to young all of them are a product of AI and the bias makes it hard to see the point. I remember AI and how his “Bad boy” style was catchy he was flashy quick and was only 6 ft so like they said we felt like we could be him or know someone like him MJ was a whole other level than that Jordan had the world wanting to be like him “Like Mike” era so it’s no comparison AI had the hoods and the youth but MJ had the world and still does just my opinion...

[@pjb42069]

Jerry Lorenzo saying that u can dress like A.I. with regular gear in ur closet at home and dont gotta drop all this $ on Jordan sneakers, yet his ass be selling FOG kicks for $350 dollars, hypocrisy just a lil bit ??

[@omega282]

I think AIhad better handles than Steph Curry...i just dont see the hype on his handles...if you get pass his first move, he looks down at the ball re st of the possession...i agree he’s in the best shooter conversation but miss me on the handles...pc AI couldn’t say the real..

[@p4rt_t1me_g0d]

You can't rationalize buying Jordan's unless you openly support your blatant disregard for black people, they're not for us, nor by us!

[@shanteecoleman8109]

ALL IMMA SAY IS I DIDNT WATCH 🏀 BEFORE JORDAN & WEN HE WAS PLAYING I WATCHED RELIGIOUSLY SO MUCH SO I THOUGHT THT I WOULD BE A FULL-FLEDGED BASKETBALL FAN WHO WOULD WATCH DA GAMES FOREVER FROM THEN ON BUT TO MY SURPRISE WEN JORDAN AN DA BULLS WERE OVER I WAS TOO THTS HOW GREAT THE BULLS WERE SO SORRY KIDS THT U ALL DIDN'T GET 2 WITNESS DA INCREDIBLE GREATNESS THT WERE DA BULLS & JORDAN🤷🏿

[@lilmoscoskoscoss]

Jordan did pass y is it so easy to forget MJs flaws. We have immortalized MJ to a player that done no wrong never loss in playoffs and the first round. Never passed on the last shot which all is false. We need to just stick with the #s his numbers are amazing but to lie or rewrite his story perfect is a disrespect.

[@msflintvirgo6759]

They have it all wrong. Allen "AI" Iverson is not a 'Former' NBA All-Star... He is an NBA ALL-STAR!!

[@kimberlyhickenbotham2169]

Jordan spend his money on prisons i just want to know why.Why not on schools homeless shelters people in need.Iverson puts his money in youth centers and helping the youth with his b ball camps

[@mboy4211]

Yeah everybody wanted to be like mike they are lien their ass off i bet everyone of them had a pair of Jordan's they hating on jordan stop the madness why you think Iverson. See him as a icon disrespecting that man name

[@josemora9666]

I don't follow nobody that's so stupid , following peoples crazy doings what they doing don't understand

[@Phenomenon1783]

JEMELE HILL IS FUCKING GORGEOUS.......I WOULD DEFINITELY WIFE HER.....

[@brittainyjones2069]

Why is the panel ALL males? Where are the women? Not including the host ....

[@destro1716]

He said niggas as in he don't take pictures with other men.. U know how that shit goes when u talk from the south.. Mike from Brooklyn but he grew up in the south

[@kimberlyhickenbotham2169]

Kids getting killed over jordans.Iversons shoess not one robbery or murder has been committed.So like im for Allen Mike need some work.

[@dawnpratt846]

and not only did he have a gambling debt but he cheated on his wife . While out there he and his father gambling and running those streets and his father had a child outside of his marriage , but once he was killed Jorden ignored his half brother how sad is that .

[@andreeric175]

Allen iverson needed a ring

[@HellzFuryRC]

Hearing them saying... AI had an impact cause he was more "hood" is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

[@kemiza09]

If you call what AI did as embracing his blackness that's pretty sad bro.

[@iBlazeCuh]

Curry Handles is NOT BETTER THAN AI WHAT THE FUCK !!!!

[@theguyulovetohate93]

Kyrie nor curry could dribble a basketball and have control of it like Allen could they good but they not allen

[@dawnpratt846]

A.I. is who the black people really related to , he rode around the good and was touchable , this is real talk !

[@caliredd100]

Iverson was like Deion Sanders of basketball Deion had all the swag in football

[@i.n.c.fromthetopropes3465]

I think they forget that MJ started in 84/85. HipHop Culture had not formed yet. Great Video none the less

[@YaramYahuHaGadi]

Hip Hop started in the early 70s

[@i.n.c.fromthetopropes3465]

YaramYahu HaGadi Hip-hop in general yes but let’s keep it real. Hip-hop Was considered a fad up until the mid to late 80s

[@elbowgang9715]

Right and hip hop fashion didnt truly spread until the late 80s( golden era ). Jordan didnt set trends though. He was the first rocking baggy shorts, gold chains and dope shoes on a nightly basis. I'm not even gonna get into his actual game cuz he still the GOAT

[@i.n.c.fromthetopropes3465]

@@elbowgang9715 Facts. Is it fair to say this panel is too young to judge Mike's contribution to the culture of His time?

[@n00entertm.62]

what the fuck is this? cumplex makes anything great look like corny as hell!