[PODCAST] Biblical Inerrancy & the Young vs. Old Earth Debate with Dr. Hugh Ross

[@RoboJut]

I believe in the young earth model, but I dont think its necessary for salvation and I really hate seeing people bash eachother over it, calling eachother uneducated and names, its very disrespectful (Im not saying Turek and Ross did that here, im just saying in general). Both sides have arguments, and I just personally think the young earth model holds up better than the old earth model, but people can disagree and thats fine, I just hate all the slanders thrown out to the other sides. Anyways, for anyone interested in learning about the young earth model, id recommend you go watch some of "Standing For Truth"s videos and live streams. Have a great day!

[@Moist._Robot]

@@RoboJut Young earthers have to twist the science to fit the bible. Old earthers have to twist the bible to fit the science. The latter has always won out.

[@RoboJut]

@@Moist._Robot The scientific consensus changes regularly. Gods word does not.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@RoboJut Yes. It’s always been wrong.

[@RoboJut]

Nope, its always been right.

[@ji8044]

No, both sides don't have arguments, that's the funny part.

[@castironmonkey3186]

Old Earth thinking is based on Evolution and not science.

[@ji8044]

Young earth scientists are actually pizza delivery drivers, not scientists.

[@djsarg7451]

No it is not. Young Earth views are not in the Bible. Most scientists are not evil men out to hurt you. Young Earth views are from men who put out false claims. All YEC leaders teach if you are not with us (YEC), you are an atheist evolutionist. Falsely claiming there are only two world views YEC and atheist evolutionist. (Thus Old Earth creationism is not even real). Please read your Bible, all of it, not just Genesis and pray. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@FirstNameLastName-rs6qo]

Does that mean starlight distance is just secular biologist quackery?

[@d.d.7287]

That's a strawman. Many old earth creationists, including Dr Ross if I remember correctly, openly deny Macro-Evolution.

[@djsarg7451]

@@FirstNameLastName-rs6qo As astronomers look into space they see stars. The light from close stars travels less time than for far-away stars. Astronomers can only look at the past, as light takes time to travel. Astronomers can see back in time about 13.7 Billion years. Time in the past has not changed.

[@elmarcentral]

I strongly believe the Earth is young. When they find evidence of young dinosaurs (bones with soft tissue) they say "we don't know how it was preserved for hundreds of millions of years" instead of "perhaps we were wrong about the age of dinosaurs".

[@rationeextrema3776]

The tissue is not fresh by any means. If they were young like young earth creationists propose, we'd find aDNA from them like we do Neanderthals. Aside from that, the tissues themselves are remnants of the tissues they were. The collagen is heavily degraded and chemically altered. The red blood cells aren't red blood cells like you have, but preserved shapes of the toughest material found in the hemoglobin, iron and other proteins. The blood vessels are in a similar vein (pun not intended) to the blood cells, in which they are the preserved shape of them. For the vessels and collagen, you can't even find them without first dissolving the fossil and treating them to a chemical bath to extract the material. As for how they are preserved, tissues like these are inside a hard calcium shell already, bone. With crosslinking and the right environments, the tissue can be preserved for millions of years. This isn't even touching on how radiometric dates still give age ranges that are millions of years old, which are derived independent of the fossils.

[@djsarg7451]

Dinosaurs are just reptiles. They first appeared about 243 million years ago and all died 64.8 million years ago. Dinosaurs are not in the Bible, but many animals are not in the Bible. There are no Human fossils (stone bones) as we are new and dino are long. Bones with soft tissue is wrong these were soaked, Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@elmarcentral Even if the dinosaur bones were young, how is that evidence that the earth was poofed out of nothing just 6000 years ago?

[@mikef6063]

That just indicates some dinosaurs lived somewhat recently. It has nothing to say about the age of the earth.

[@djsarg7451]

@@mikef6063 Dinosaurs are just reptiles. They first appeared about 243 million years ago and all died 64.8 million years ago. Dinosaurs are not in the Bible, but many animals are not in the Bible. We have no human fossils, only bones. There are no dinosaurs that lived somewhat recently. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

Creation was a supernatural event, repeat, supernatural.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@alfredomenendez8703 Because I don’t believe in the supernatural you’ll understand I don’t believe the earth was magically created.

[@calebalbertson1690]

Which is why it was Christians that first proposed the Big Bang, a model of the beginning of the universe which proposes that the material world along with energy and time itself emerges out of nothing sans prior physical causation.

[@Chazd1949]

Two of my absolute favorite Christian apologists - it was a tremendous blessing seeing both of you and hearing you speak at the recent SteadFast Conference in South Carolina. Fortunately, I didn't have to travel far to attend, but it was so well organized and the presentations were so timely and edifying that I would have traveled across the country to be there. I praise God and my Savior Jesus Christ for the ministries of you gentlemen. 🙏🙏🙏

[@icebirdd]

I disagree with Frank on the OEC; but I still enjoy listening to his debates and agree with him on many things! Frank is one of the people that helped me realize how awesome God is when he was talking about outer space and the Hubble Telescope.

[@stephanieray5940]

This conversation was so great I listened to it twice back to back! I love Reasons to Believe and am so glad to hear this talk and look forward to the debate.

[@kathierouse6046]

I really enjoy Dr Hugh Ross! This will be fascinating! Thank you, Frank! 😊

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@alfredomenendez8703]

And now i see why frank turek is an old earther because when he was young he was heavily influenced by the book from ross called the fingerprint of God. When you grab onto something when you are young it is very hard to let go. Same applies to Ross. Open your hearts gentle people.

[@Moist._Robot]

Same if you’re a young earther. There’s absolutely no science thst supportd thr earth being poofed out of nothing just 6000 years ago. You have been indoctrinated into the idea.

[@Freshperspective88]

Could be. It's more likely that he's an old-earth creationist because there is far more evidence for it.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@alfredomenendez8703 It’s the same for young earthers too. And you’re both taught that this is gods word which should take priority over mans word with science. So you’re both hopelessly lost.

[@SPPACATR]

YEC is the truth

[@Moist._Robot]

@@SPPACATR YEC is a ridiculous fraud.

[@thewriterslens5689]

Great conversation and great having Dr Ross as a guest, Dr Turek. Thank you for asking so many of the pertinent questions that come up in this discussion. I trust that Noah’s flood came up in the deeper sessions? 😁

[@davehenderson418]

I don't understand why young earth creationists focus on the the earth's age so much. They act like it's the most important thing. It's all they want to talk and debate about. They are constantly wanting to "convert" everyone to their model. WHO CARES? It does not matter. The gospel is what matters. You look foolish, not because of your beliefs, but because of the importance it has in your lives. We should agree to disagree and move on.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@davehenderson418 I agree with you, it’s fascinating. I believe it’s because it’s what they’ve been indoctrinated to believe. And this belief makes them unique which is attractive to people who aren’t too clever.

[@tonyabrown7796]

I think it's because most doctrines have their basis in Genesis. Once you compromise on the first thing why not compromise on the rest? It starts at accepting old ages, then death before sin. What then is the point of salvation? People who reject the literal translation often say the flood wasn't real either. Then it's if evolution is true then maybe gender is on a spectrum. For many people accepting these doctrines is the first step away from christianity.

[@SinisaSpasojevic]

This will be a gem!

[@ChrisQuadFPV]

❤ Dr Hugh Ross

[@BeLikeJesusPlease]

I saw this guy live last year! Really nice guy!

[@jeffersonsomzila8746]

Nice guy indeed but I believe he is wrong about the age of the earth. If the days in Genesis are not literal days as we know them,then God trucked us. And only gurus can understand the Bible not the average person. If God indeed intended for us to understand His word,He would have made it the way He did,simply to understand.

[@jeffersonsomzila8746]

Millions of years bright lot of suffering and death came before sin on the old earth version.

[@MutsPub]

@@jeffersonsomzila8746 Do you read Hebrew?

[@MutsPub]

@@jeffersonsomzila8746 The dinosaurs went extinct some 66 million years ago. Carnivores eat meat, correct? We need gazillions of tons of concrete to support a planet with some 8 billion people, correct? That Portland cement comes from gazillions of dead sea creatures, correct? All that and more, would be a lot of animal death before Adam was Created, correct? Did Adam or Eve physically "die" after they ate the forbidden fruit? - Nope. So, their sin did not bring physical death to themselves, correct? In fact, they lived for several hundred years, correct? Romans states that Adam's sin brought death to man, correct? Romans does not state that Adam's sin brought death to animals, correct? Your dog cannot sin, correct? Adam's sin caused his separation from God, correct? That is not physical death but rather spiritual death, correct? Jesus did not die for dead animals, correct? Jesus died on the cross for our sin that caused our spiritual death, separation from God, correct?

[@Terrylb285]

@@jeffersonsomzila8746Scientists corrected the early church on its view of a plain reading of the scriptures that the sun revolves around the earth and the earth is stationary. This was the main Christian view since Aristotle for almost 1500 years.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

The bible was written for all not just a particular era. Exodus 20:11 cannot be any clearer. Ross is so stuck on his progressive interpretation of the universe and is very reluctant to let it go. Sad. So humans have the answers to the universe and God left a mythical account of creation.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Typical. Exodus is only stating a pattern, for man, as an analogy. It has absolutely nothing to do with Genesis 1. Why do you plagiarize classic YEC rhetoric to attack Dr. Ross? Dr. Ross did not invent the OEC model. It has been around for over a thousand years.

[@marswart]

When Jesus turned water into wine, what would todays scientists have ssid it's age was?

[@djsarg7451]

The Bible says Nature does not lie about him: Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@MutsPub]

Point? Modern scientists will tell you that you cannot turn water into wine.

[@gi169]

Thank you Cross Examined

[@CrossExamined]

Thank you for watching as always brother!

[@czgunner]

Interesting stuff. I care less about old vs new earth and more about people accepting Christ.

[@djsarg7451]

Hugh agrees with you. He wrote "Always be prepared" about sharing our faith. But YEC have a problem: I am retired from JPL. YEC claim that most scientists, astronomers and engineers are evil men out to hurt the world. YEC have attacked my friends, my coworkers and me. More than attack, they judge our hearts and motives to be evil. About 25% of astronomers are Christians, yet YEC call all of them heretics for saying the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. Young Earth views are not in the Bible and they reject the record of nature, thus Romans 1:20 and Psalm 19 1-4. I as study the universe, I see God’s work in preparing a home for Humanity. Nature is not cursed, it is good and shows God’s truth, glory and the Love of Christ.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

Do you want people to accept Christ yet not believe in scripture??? Genesis 1 through 11 was not written to confuse us.

[@calebalbertson1690]

@@alfredomenendez8703 Do you hold the same hermeneutic simplicity when you read 1 Corinthians 11? It was not written to confuse us.

[@djsarg7451]

@@alfredomenendez8703 Nature was not made to confuse us: Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard. I am retired from JPL. YEC claim that most scientists, astronomers and engineers are evil men out to hurt the world. YEC have attacked my friends, my coworkers and me. More than attack, they judge our hearts and motives to be evil. About 25% of astronomers are Christians, yet YEC call them heretics for saying the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. Young Earth views are not in the Bible and they reject the record of nature, thus Romans 1:20 and Psalm 19 1-4. I as study the universe, I see God’s work in preparing a home for Humanity. Nature is not cursed, it is good and shows God’s truth, glory and the Love of Christ.

[@eunicestjarielofficial]

How can you say that when old earth/evolution requires DEATH before the FALL? Again, the atheist's beliefs force us now to reinterpret dictrines of salvation to 'fit' the so-called scientific spirit of the age. You cannot effectively teach the gospel if death happened before the fall: the fall of man is pivitol to sound gospel presentation in explaining sin and death and why we need the Saviour my friend x

[@Servant-u9z]

Like a lot of debates it’s kinda irrelevant. Participating in theatrical politics, age of the earth, which denomination you should choose, which translation of the Bible is superior, is evolution real, is the earth flat/spherical, did the moon landing happen, etc. (while entertaining) none of it really matters. It’s all vanity. There’s nothing new under the sun. What matters is God came down as Christ, died on the cross for all humanity, resurrected on the third day, and now offers us a choice; Him or idolatry via other created gods. Will you be known by Him? Which will you choose?

[@boltrooktwo]

Attention and priorities are important matters of choice, we can’t be focused on everything at once. The inviting unifying matters and values are more important than what divides and stirs up contention. I agree that Jesus’s commands revolve around the beneficial things that generate liberty and peace when people focus on them.

[@georgeochs1302]

Amen, That's all that matters, preach the Gospel! This is all very interesting but it is really irrelevent.

[@KaziahKerenRose]

THANK YOU!! I thought I was the only one thinking along these lines.. Christianity has definitely turned into a stage for a bunch of men to debate and argue endlessly over senseless topics. More than ever Our modern day cultures worships knowledge and it's sad to see the Church dabbling in the same senseless, endless debates. To the common folk like myself, these types of debates within the Church honestly all just appear as some selfish, egotistical, futile endeavour.

[@JadDragon]

​@@boltrooktwo you don't agree with Jesus when you follow Joseph. Not too late to repent and start

[@boltrooktwo]

@@JadDragon Jesus sends prophets, you aren’t one.

[@gentile-for-Jesus_Messiah]

❤❤ sorry Frank,, i am using the 'awesome' to describe this conversation,, truly mind opening....

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in! 🙏🙏🙏

[@chrisg9383]

HA I understood that reference

[@danpaulisbitski]

I have never heard any young earth creationist make 90% of the arguments Ross accused them of. The accumulation of mutations in the human genome puts a time limit on its viability. The list of diseases grows and grows do to the accumulation of mutations. Humanity is no more than 10,000 years old.

[@criticalthinker2477]

Are we less viable today than the Israelites 3000 years ago? I think humans are doing just fine. Where is this "accumulation of mutations" you are ignorantly claiming?

[@MutsPub]

How is it relevant what you have heard? Dr. Ross has stated this in multiple books and dozens of videos for over 50 years! "Humanity is no more than 10,000 years old." - citation?

[@RangerRyke]

Natural selection kills off genes with to much disease.

[@MrSpolaR]

You can’t even understand he, like most old earth creationists, argue the earth is older than humans but here you are critiquing him… interesting lol

[@MrBimirud]

I agree. I debated an old-earth creationist who said "God would not have been able to create the universe in 6 days, and he couldn't create Adam in one day. He's limited by the physical laws." That's not the God I worship. I worship a God who created the physical laws but is not bound by them. I don't understand why an infinitely powerful God would be incapable of creating a grown man in one day, or even one second. Why would God be required to wait 18 years for Adam to grow to maturity?

[@mikef6063]

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. Both the young and old ideas are correct, it just depends on where you were in the universe as the creation was occurring. It can be both 7 literal days as well as millions of years, its all about perspective since the dimension of time is subject to mass, velocity, etc.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

God Created mass, space, time, and energy. So, no.

[@JadDragon]

I don't think for a second there was any concept of modern cosmology in Genesis 1, nor do I think they were giving it as a literal description of how the Earth was formed. Happy as Old Earth without having to go outside the context for modern concepts. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@Servant-u9z]

Right. If God wanted a scientific description for how He went about creation He would’ve had a scientist write the account. The Bible was meant for one thing; to point to the God of the gods and the Lord of the lords, Jesus Christ. He is the focus of the entire narrative, not how God chose to create creation. Young earth, old earth doesn’t matter. What Christ did is what matters.

[@JadDragon]

@@Servant-u9z amen, God bless.

[@Servant-u9z]

@@JadDragon thanks, God bless you too.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Did the universe have a beginning? Was the early Earth covered in water, void of life, incapable of life, and covered in darkness? Did land plants come before sea animals? This is just an example. There are 10 Creation events in the correct order on page 1.

[@JadDragon]

@@Wstrn_L46-5 plants also came before the sun so 🫤 I think we should let the text be what it is not try and force our modern ideas into it. The text isn't a guidebook for OE/YE.

[@makedisciples8653]

The questions I have is …isn’t a light year just a measurement of distance? And is a light year actually NOT a measurement of time? I have come to the conclusion that ancient man was not primitive Luke 3 mentions an actual Adam. Not an Adam who came into existence by molecules to man. But an Adam who was created by the dust of the earth I wish they’d address that day 2 was never called good- it just wasn’t. I fully understand that all of creation was declared good. But day 2 was excluded Day 2 the atmosphere. Who is the Prince of the air? I’m seeing a connection to the Rapture Comments? I highly respect both of these men

[@Brandoncannon]

Love both these men of God.

[@rockzalt]

There is a video by Dr. Heiser who breaks down the hermeneutic problem within the first three verses in Genesis. Depending on which one a Christian favors, that will determine which side of the issue they believe in. His explanation is in simple English, no Ph.D. required here: " Michael Heiser - Genesis and the Ancient Near East "

[@djsarg7451]

We need to read the whole Bible on the topic: Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@rockzalt]

@@djsarg7451 Plenty of Christians have read the whole Bible on the topic and have come to two different conclusions. Understanding how hermeneutics work does explain why Christians can reach different conclusions regardless of how much writing is added afterwards.

[@djsarg7451]

@@rockzalt Have you entered into the 7th day as the Bible asks you to?

[@roma544216]

Thank you guys for the great job you are doing! God bless!

[@jeroldwenger]

At 13:02 Hugh states “the fact is that science was born out of Protestant Christianity.” That is a very significant statement. I don’t remember hearing that before. For him to say that, I’m sure he has support for that claim. @Frank Turek (or anyone else), do you know the sources that support that statement?

[@AncientBert]

Perhaps in relation to the Scottish Enlightenment?

[@CrossExamined]

Great question! This blog written by Sean McDowell on our website may be helpful. crossexamined.org/christianity-war-science/

[@djsarg7451]

Protestant Christianity, particularly the values of English Puritanism and German Pietism, played a significant role in the development of modern science. They encouraged the systematic study of nature to understand God's creation; essentially, the idea that studying the natural world was a way to learn about God's design. Almost every university and college founded in the U.S. and Europe until the mid-19th century and many afterwards were founded by some Christian organization. The degree of control exercised by these varied, but it is safe to say that no college or university has been unaffected by the Christian background of the university. Christian scholars and scientists have made noted contributions to science and technology fields as well as medicine, both historically and in modern times. Some scholars state that Christianity contributed to the rise of the Scientific Revolution. Between 1901 and 2001, about 56.5% of Nobel prize laureates in scientific fields were Christians. Most scientific and technical innovations prior to the Scientific Revolution were achieved by societies organized by Christian traditions. Ancient Christian scholars pioneered individual elements of the scientific method. Historically, Christianity has been and still is a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many Christian clergy have been active in the sciences and have made significant contributions to the development of science.

[@jeroldwenger]

I should clarify that I have heard the support for the Christian origins, but I hadn’t heard it stated as born specifically out of Protestant Christianity

[@rickthompson5378]

I truly enjoy this channel

[@CrossExamined]

Wonderful! We're glad the content has been helpful!

[@profoundgreetingsfromneptune]

Hugh Ross' exegesis is so bad. At every turn, he avoids the simple, plain-reading interpretation of Genesis 1 through 11 and takes a rather prideful interpretation that jumps through hoop after hoop and that puts the reader in pretzels as he deciphers what God "really" meant. Prideful all the way. Numerous passages in the Old and New Testament box the reader in to the young-earth position. Theistic evolutionists will see this if only they'd stop conceding to the religion of evolutionism, if only they'd count it joy to be ridiculed by atheistic evolutionists, by this world, which Satan controls, knowing the wisdom of God is foolishness to man and the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Dr. Walter Kaiser PhD and Dr. Gleason Archer PhD who are and were Hebrew experts agree with Dr. Ross PhD. You are parroting "Mr." Ham with his BAS, that taught 2 years of High School, in a small town, in Australia back in the 1970's. Ham is a modern snake oil salesman, nothing more.

[@sportsman0075]

People are often misunderstood for what they actually meant by young earth theory. The universe including the earth could be very old however life on earth is relatively young. I believe that the bible describes an earth day (24h) in a particular fashion to underline the fact that indeed it is a short time when we read “And there was evening, and there was morning - the first day.” and so on. I believe that it is more relevant how old the human race is then how old the universe is. I think the bible provides plenty of reasons why the human race is about 6k years old. Great debate by the way!

[@MutsPub]

The Jewish day starts at sunset, right? "there was evening, and there was morning " is only ~12 hours. What do you call the afternoon before that first evening? There are 4 literal definitions to the Hebrew word yom, right? Moses had no other word to use, right? How do you have a day without a sun? A day is one rotation of our planet in relation to its star, right?

[@RangerRyke]

So the earth was made with millions of years of dead fossils already in it?

[@djsarg7451]

That is not what YEC teach, YEC teach both at about 6,000 years old. This is not in the Bible or nature. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@bradfoland2127]

Correction: the sun moon and stars were visible but not in a clear sky until after the flood. The protective vapor canopy was destroyed and thus rainbow Also, we don’t need the Bible to make a stronger case for a young earth, science does that for us. Old earth thinking is the product of an evolutionary paradigm

[@calebalbertson1690]

"The protective vapor canopy was destroyed and thus rainbow " Huh, I guess I missed that verse.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@bradfoland2127 What science do you think supports the earth being poofed out of nothing just 6000 years ago?

[@Moist._Robot]

@@calebalbertson1690 It’s the water above the firmament in genesis 1.

[@bradfoland2127]

@@Moist._Robot There’s a staggering volume of scientific evidence supporting young earth. It boils down to the confirmation bias filter that the evidence is interpreted through. I’ll give you just one: Why do diamonds, coal and all fossils test positive for C14? Must be lab equipment contamination. It’s amazing how accurate such equipment becomes when the narrative is switched. That said, radiometric dating acknowledged to be highly inaccurate due to presumptions that can never be known. C14 is the most accurate up to about 3000 years but falls off beyond that. One fact about C14 dating is that it can only measure to a max age of about 50,000 years before it half lifes to zero. Thus, those fossils and diamonds are all younger than 50K years.

[@rationeextrema3776]

​@@bradfoland2127 C14 contamination is often accounted for when using C14 dating. Note: coal is not carbon-dated because it is millions of years old. Any carbon found in it would have to be a result of contamination due to Earth's atmosphere or nitrogen converting into C14 from other radioactive elements. The only fossils carbon dated are less than 60,000 or 50,000 years old. Diamonds are known to not be pure carbon, so similar to coal, they have nitrogen that may be converted into C14. This has been known for decades and accounted for just as long.

[@TheLowToneG]

So where can I watch the debate?

[@jeffphelps1355]

Whether u believe the earth is young or old what matters is the universe is designed and that indicates a Designer . But if you want to pretend otherwise that seems illogical

[@jaflenbond7854]

Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists will NOT last on earth forever because their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, unkindness, ungratefulness, deceits, and their - 1. LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and 2. LIES and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and also the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors. LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever will definitely live and exist on earth forever because their submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 ensure and guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@JadDragon]

​@@jaflenbond7854 if you loved Jesus you'd be a Christian and follow Christianity.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@JadDragon The TRUTH is LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who love, honor, and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King will definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 but will also be hated, insulted, mocked, dishonored, and slandered by arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Atheists who are unitedly boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD in their opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 and 2. Jesus Christ too is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth in their opposition and defiance of what's written in Matthew 28: 18 The TRUTH is the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@JadDragon]

@@jaflenbond7854 The truth is followers of Christ are called Christian's who practice Christianity and Christianity is religion. Come to Jesus and be a Christian and be saved.

[@djsarg7451]

Hugh agrees with you. He wrote "Always be prepared" about sharing our faith. But YEC have a problem: I am retired from JPL. YEC claim that most scientists, astronomers and engineers are evil men out to hurt the world. YEC have attacked my friends, my coworkers and me. More than attack, they judge our hearts and motives to be evil. About 25% of astronomers are Christians, yet YEC call all of them heretics for saying the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. Young Earth views are not in the Bible and they reject the record of nature, thus Romans 1:20 and Psalm 19 1-4. I as study the universe, I see God’s work in preparing a home for Humanity. Nature is not cursed, it is good and shows God’s truth, glory and the Love of Christ.

[@scottwilson970]

So no death of animals occurred for millions of years? Death entered the world through Adam. Also, light may have asymmetric speed. We cannot prove that (yet). As of today there isn't a way to measure the one way speed of light.

[@djsarg7451]

This is a YEC talking point and is NOT in the Bible: Romans 5:12 “Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn.” This is clear death came to “all mankind”, not animals. Why would God kill animals due to man’s sin? YEC claim about mankind killing animals due to sin is just not in the Bible. Predator and prey in balance is good and God said it was good. Predator play a key role in keeping ecosystems healthy. They help keep deer and elk populations in check, which can benefit many other plant and animal species. The carcasses of their prey a lso help to redistribute nutrients and provide food for other wildlife species. Psalms 147:9, Job 12:7-10

[@cindybrandt1910]

I completely agree with you. God shed the first blood by killing an animal and clothing Adam and Eve. I'm glad at least I know that I never want to buy a book written by Hugh Ross.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

That is Dr. Lisle gibberish. The Speed of light is indeed accurate. He knows that the speed of light cannot be measured in one direction because there is no way to sync the clocks at either end. He is guilty of sophistry for profit. E=mc2, right? E= energy, right? m=mass, right? c= the speed of light (squared), right? If you increase the speed of light, as Lisle claims, you would BBQ everything in it's path due to the increase in energy, right?! He wrote his dissertation at Colorado on the ~6.5 billion year old sun. Now he sells 6,000 year old snake oil to the sheeple for profits. He claims that the Earth is 10,000 years old. Where does he get the additional 4,000 years? it can't be before Adam and it can't be between Adam and now. So what magic trick does he use?

[@icebirdd]

At least we can agree that God created.

[@kinggenius930]

Pretty that is something that many people don't agree with

[@rondabottos7622]

Question. How does anyone know what Adam said if they were the first of their kind?

[@Tim.Foster123]

The laws of nature can be trusted.... until a supernatural event takes place. At that point, the laws of nature will always result in The Observer believing a lie. Anyone that wants to put any weight into Genesis 1 and 2 needs to find the last Supernatural event. Then afterwards everything can be accepted to comply with the normal rules of the laws of the universe. That being said, grammatically, there is no reason whatsoever to assume that the only supernatural event took place in Genesis 1:1. Ross' comments about E=mc2 is interesting, but it simply doesn't apply in the case of Supernatural events.

[@profoundgreetingsfromneptune]

One of the worst parts about this discussion was Ross' presentation of what young earth creationists would say as a rebuttal to various arguments. At every turn, Ross, whom I presume has debated many young earth creationists, either mischaracterized or straw-manned the young earth creationist position. For example, no young earth creationist believes the first two verses of the Bible, when the Hebrew is correctly translated and exegeted, could possibly support the gap theory, the belief in billions of years between the two verses. If Turek wants his viewers to accurately understand the young earth creationist position, he should ask a young earth creationist, like Dr. Marcus Ross (a.k.a., the other Ross) or Dr. Robert Carter, among many, many others. (Would he ask an atheist to explain any Christian position?) Why leave his viewers with a woefully inaccurate understanding of what young earth creationists believe and the solid biblical and scientific reasons why they believe it? I hope Cross Examined soon gives a young earth creationist equal time to accurately explain the viewpoint because Hugh Ross certainly did not.

[@Moist._Robot]

Now you understand what us atheists have to put up with.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

YEC pseudo scientists positions are irrelevant. You presume Dr. Ross has debated many YEC? So in other words you have not watched these debates and therefore don't know what you are talking about, right?

[@profoundgreetingsfromneptune]

@@Wstrn_L46-5 Evolution is pseudoscience. And of course, I'm well aware Ross has debated many young earth creationists. I was trying to be diplomatic. Duh.

[@tylerfisher2371]

Great conversation. This has helped me stay out of either camp. I lean YEC since most responses show to be negative through emotions more than positive intent when debating those that hold tight to old earth. But Hugh’s comment on Gods location in verse 1 being different from the rest of the creation story was a great way to describe it, that’s for sure going to reshape my thoughts here.

[@CrossExamined]

Thank you for watching and being open to hearing the discussion!

[@djsarg7451]

It is good you are thinking a looking: Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@fredrikwidman7288]

I tend to believe Genesis 2:4 refers to the first day only which becomes clear if you read verse 2:5. Regardless of that, many translations actually refer to the first day as an ordinal number in Genesis 1:5 where the hebrew word actually translates to "one day". That to me indicates something like "definition one day" based on earths rotation. The rest of the days are written as ordinal numbers and you would have to ignore the definition in 1:5 to account for more time. After all, let's not forget our God is a God of miracles and I don't necessarily see a problem with us not being able to explain everything about God and his creation using scientific means. The Bible is full of miracles that cannot be explained by our knowledge of science etc. I liked this video a lot even though I tend to lean more towards a young earth for now, not to deny the evidence also points to an old earth and universe. Thank you Frank and Hugh for this insightful podcast. I really enjoy listening to these types of topics. God bless you for your amazing work.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

Why would God need billions os year??? To confuse us. Billions of year is based on atheist scientists. Ross, wake up and take the scales off your heart. Billions of years why????

[@mizz308]

God is outside of the universe and space and time are universal concepts. God is literally eternal a billion years could be like minutes in Gods time. Not saying we really know how long it took but why wouldn’t it take billions of years if God is eternal and outside of space and time?

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Perhaps it is you that should remove the YEC pseudo science scales. Billions of years is a fact. Atheist beliefs are not irrelevant to this discussion.

[@juliusmawphlang]

Because He is God. He doesn't fit according to our explanation.

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 2/2 I know Eschatology is a hot topic but for me it's one I've studied and taught since I was 15, 30+ years ago. I know everyone has their opinion of what is correct and when Jesus will return and I also have my thoughts. This is also not a salvation issue. However, it is important because the LORD has dedicated over 1/3 of Scripture to it. the 2nd Coming event is mention in over 150 chapters of Scripture and there are more than 500 prophecies surrounding the event. But most of all this topic reveals who Jesus is. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants Now we aren't supposed to start in Revelation. Revelation assumes we are very familiar with the rest of Scripture. However, instead of focusing on the when and how, let's focus a bit on the "Why"? Why does Jesus return? Why is this His perfect plan, in other words what does it accomplish? What Christians need to recognize is that the LORD doesn't care if we have 10 Eschatological views, or 100, He has 1. He will unfold the future His way. What we believe, what I believe is irrelevant. What I try to do is try to bring clarity and let the future unfold and if I'm correct, praise the LORD. If I'm wrong Praise the LORD, then we can eliminate at least 1 view. I hope you can see from Part 1 that Eschatology begins in Genesis not in Revelation. There will be an end of the age. The end of the dominion of mankind when Jesus returns. This we know. So there is a finite amount of time. There is an appointed time to the LORD's return. Will we know the exact day and hour? No. However. The Bible is very specific. It's like if I said "I'm going to my parents place for Christmas dinner this year but I don't know if it'll be on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Do I know the exact day or hour? No. Have I ruled out the other 363 days of the year? Yes. This is what Jesus does in Matthew 24:36. In Genesis 1, GOD says 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” So why does Jesus return and end the dominion of mankind? Matthew 24 (NLT) 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. Why Jesus returns is because we as a species bring ourselves to the brink of self-extinction. But verse 22 goes on. " But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones." In Luke 17 Jesus says 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. What was it like in the days of Noah? Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” What was it like in the Days of Lot? Genesis 18 when GOD told Abraham that HE was going to destroy the cities Abraham said 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.” Abraham continues to negotiate it down to 10 righteous so the cities may be spared. 32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.” So despite the many sins of Sodom and Gomorrah the LORD would have spared them for the sake of 10 righteous people. Now we see there weren't 10 righteous so His wrath came. So where do we begin? In Mark 11 Jesus curses the Fig Tree which is the Jews in Israel (Deuteronomy 8:7-8, Hosea 9:10, Jeremiah 24:3-8) and the Fig Tree dies. We see destruction come on Israel from 70-135AD. Mark 13 Jesus says the Fig Tree will bloom again (1948) just before His return. GOD owns the Land of Israel, always has, always will. Lev 25:23, John 3:1-2, Isaiah 45:3-4, Psalm 121:4, etc. The Jews are His guests. Lev 25:23. Jesus said in John 13:19 Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am." The LORD says in Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’- 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Reality is the test for Bible Prophecy. And trust me GOD is not subtle you know what to look for. Now I am not here to be American centric, or Western centric., however, let's say the West crumbles and goes under, bankrupt, defeated in wars, who would then bring the Gospel to the world? Notice how the West is adopting a culture of death and no election can fix that. We are seeing views of death all over the world. Declining fertility, declining desire for kids, declining hormone levels and sexual drive, euthanasia and abortion is more convenient and accessible in the West. We're seeing s*icides, crime, increasing. And if we are about to go into a deep recession/depression then these things will only increase. Then we have nations preparing for war, and world war. Much of the world sees world war coming in 2026-2027. I could give a long list for this one. This world as we know it will pass away to where Jesus will restore it later on. But first humanity is going to wreck it. And the biblical narrative is we will do it with war. And The LORD says in Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Jut like Noah's day and Lot's day humanity does something or some things to bring the wrath of the LORD. In Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel,..." In Ezekiel 38:5 one of the nations is Persia that comes. Persia is Iran. What many Christians forget today is that Israel isn't about the Jews. The Jews are his guests in the land. Israel and Jerusalem are about GOD. Lev 25:23, Joel 3:1-2, Jeremiah 24, Ezekiel 37:21-23, Isaiah 45:3-4, Psalm 121:4, 2 Chronicles 6:7-8, etc. So right now Jihadist extremists are praying and vowing to destroy Israel forever for the glory of Allah. So we should pray and support Israel not because we agree with the politics or whatever but because it' GOD's land and His city that are being treated by followers of a false god. When they come to destroy Israel, the LORD will intervene, save Israel and destroy its enemies. And history will forever be changed. Now Scripture tells us because of His blood we are not destined for His wrath. John 3:36, Romans 5:8-9, 1 Thess 5:8-11. The LORD says not to fear. Not to panic. Not to be shaken. I know it's hard. He tells us so we will know in advance and when we see it our faith will be strengthened. Matthew 24:. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass..." I believe in the Rapture of the Church John 14:1-6. I believe before His wrath comes He will take all those who trust in Him to Heaven where He's been preparing a place for us. However, if I am wrong, I don't think I am, but if I am, I know a little of what all come and my faith won't be shaken. It'll be hard but I'm with Jesus all the way. Our KING is Coming so pray for the lost, share Jesus and trust His plan, whatever comes, trust in Him not in the things of this world. Take care.

[@ji8044]

Jesus said he was coming back 2,000 years ago. Paul said so too. Ooops.

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@ji8044 really? Where. Reference please.

[@thesis-and-nieces6722]

The problem with old earth, creation belief is that then you run into trouble of how it was created. Meaning you start taking on evolutionary ideas. I mean, how long did it take for the bees (gen 1:12) to finally pollinate the plants (gen 1:24)? Thousands of years? How long did it take for the grand canyon to appear? Turek can say it ridiculous all he wants but somehow there is a huge gap there. Or as per usual there is sn argument of convenience. Well i believe in evolutionary thoughts up until i conveniently need to believe in special creation. Then turek has to explain the formation humans. Did it take thousands of years for neatherdals, hominids, etc. until you get the first human?

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

That is ad ignorantiam

[@ktcarroll4723]

I think people get earth and age confused. Age not meaning birthday age but a specific period of time. Earth as the actual planet earth 🌍 could the earth have been formed millions or billions of years ago like the other planets 🪐? I think it’s ok to study and debate this subject but don’t spend to much time because when you face Jesus Christ at the end one question you will not hear is “ how old is the earth” and answer correctly because your salvation depends on it.

[@Terrylb285]

When is the debate going to be put on here?

[@maurelius57]

What about the genealogies in the bible? They take us back to about 6,000 years ago. Plus what about the flood?

[@Columbo-r4z]

Noah’s flood never happened.

[@wallylama31]

The common argument is that the genealogies are telescoped, meaning they reference prominent lineage but not each and every father son. Begat in Hebrew can also be used to refer to an ancestor, and not necessarily a father and son. The bible has multiple genealogical passages, and some with significant differences. This could be explained if they are describing prominent descendants as lineage markers, as oppose to direct father son relationships.

[@wallylama31]

As to the flood, again there could be flexibility in the Hebrew word for Earth, which also is used to describe land, area, territory, etc. I've read Hugh Ross take the position that all mankind was wiped out in the flood, but it was localized to the land area that humans occupied at the time. Many old earthers don't think a global, worldwide flood occurred, but that it is reflective of a particular region.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@wallylama31 The Noah’s flood story is made up.

[@TomMichael5678]

​@@Moist._Robot Hey Cardano, you think the recent pandemic and the pseudoscience 💉 was all "made up" as well?

[@seamusweber8298]

I'm Catholic. However I have the deepest respect for Dr.Ross and the cosmological evidence that he puts forward to explain Creation and God being the Force and Will for that Creation. Thanks Dr. Turek for this podcast

[@jaflenbond7854]

Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists will NOT last on earth forever because their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, unkindness, ungratefulness, deceits, and their - 1. LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and 2. LIES and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and also the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors. LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever will definitely live and exist on earth forever because their submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 ensure and guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@CrossExamined]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@profoundgreetingsfromneptune]

If I look at the theistic evolutionist position from a non-Christian perspective, a handful thoughts immediately spring to mind: Imagine being a Christian who claims his or her god is a god of love and of life, yet this god -- who is love, who is life -- uses millions of years of disease, disability, and death as the primary means by which He creates. Imagine being a Christian who claims his god is the Word, yet when He speaks literal words, His creation waits millions, if not billions, of years before it gets around to obeying Him rather than believing when He speaks literal words (e.g., "Lazarus, come out!"; to the wind and to the waves "Quiet! Be still!") His creation immediately obeys Him, demonstrating His undeniable power. The minimal amount of time between when God speaks and when His creation obeys is critical because it proves attribution. Likewise, imagine being a Christian who has seen throughout scripture every miracle necessarily happens quickly, if not immediately and rapidly, in order to prove attribution yet believes Creation, arguably God's greatest miracle, happened over the course of billions of years, casting doubt on who or what is responsible for said event. Imagine being a Christian who believes God waited thousands of years from the giving of Genesis, until an army of prideful, God-hating atheists came along, to reveal the correct interpretation of Genesis 1 to 11 rather than give Genesis in a way the Israelites would've immediately understood it, as literal history. Indeed, in the Hebrew calendar, the current year is 5785. If the Jews, from the time of Moses, always believed the earth was old, why isn't the current year 5785000000? Imagine being a Christian who believe his god will create a wonderful new heaven and a wonderful new earth in a second glorious act of Creation yet believes His first act of Creation, Creation 1.0, was a world filled with disease, disability, and death; with predation, violence, and suffering; with trial and error; with chaos. Where's the glory in that? If that's the kind of world this god creates initially and calls "very good," I fear for what's next. Won't heaven be hell? Won't there then be two hells? Christians, know thy God. Which is more impressive? A Creation week that purposefully takes six literal days, or a Creation "week" that takes billions of years? Which shows off, if you will, God's omnipotence more? Second, which is more in keeping with all you know about the character of God? A God, who is the Word, who speaks things into existence by His very utterances, a loving God who created all things from the beginning beautifully, wonderfully, with life and longevity, with idyllic near perfection or a God whose first creative act, which He pronounced "good" and indeed "very good," was to create a violent, chaotic world filled with disease, disability, and death? Christians, please.

[@zek62482]

A normal person would not read Genesis and get millions of years. Save the mental gymnastics. The only people who struggle with Genesis as-written are worried about squaring it with the dogma of evolution. It is needlessly complicating something that was written plainly.

[@icebirdd]

That’s a great point. The average person who reads Genesis chapter 1 is going to take it literal; as 24 hour days. I believe it’s literal. I think the fact that evolution and the Big Bang theory have been taught so long as fact that now even some Christians are accepting it as true. When you start saying death was here before sin and the fall of man; that just doesn’t line up with God’s character. And to my knowledge OEC believe that death among animals was already happening before the fall of man from sin; and that predation will continue in the new heaven and new earth. And that there wasn’t a global flood. But God made a covenant based on the global flood that he wouldn’t do it again to destroy everything. The rainbow is a sign for that covenant. I just believe OEC theory or interpretation attacks and undermines God’s character.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

The average person reading this in Ancient Hebrew, that actually spoke Hebrew, would disagree, because they would understand that yom has 4 literal definitions. Why is it so hard for English speaking people to grasp this? You are parroting a YEC talking point nothing more.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

Please Post The Debate.

[@JoyOfTheLORD.]

26:40 this is fallacious. Young earth perspective does not express that blood was shed before Adam and Eve. Genesis 2 is a recap/synopses or reiteration of the process of creation.

[@cptrikester2671]

Enjoyed this very much. Agree with your cautions about Francis Collins. Don't like him.

[@Columbo-r4z]

Francis Collins is a geneticist and knows more about genetics than all other creationists put together. That’s why he accepts evolution. Because it’s real.

[@cptrikester2671]

@@Columbo-r4z is that why he allowed fauci to make a biowepon and the poison protocol?

[@cptrikester2671]

Just making sure that YT isn't hiding comments again. ​@Columbo-r4z is that why he allowed fauchee to make a biological villan and the poisonous vaxcin protocol?

[@Columbo-r4z]

@@cptrikester2671 Oh I see. You’re a conspiracy theorist.

[@cptrikester2671]

@@Columbo-r4z and those have been found to be correct, and ahead of the curve, most of the time. Thanks for the compliment.

[@ToworshipHIMilive1]

I don't think the layman is aware that YE creationism was popularized by 7th Day Adventist, George McCready Price, a self taught geologist. Who was greatly influenced by Ellen White, again a 7th Day Adventist, who was a prophetess and had visions brought on by temporal lobe epilepsy from age 9. White "..claimed to have a vision of the world's creation where the days described early in Genesis...were [the same as the] 24-hour periods used to count days today." (Pg.7, George McCready Price and the Rise of Modern Creationism) This was also to defend White's belief that Satuday was a "special status...distinguishing them from other Christian sects." (Pg. 9, George McCready Price and the Rise of Modern Creationism.) The YE creationism view is only around 150 years old. It wasn't an historical Early Church View, though many wrongly claim it is. A lot of people will probably take offense at this being presented but all I ask is for you to take a look and question why you believe what you believe. And where is that information coming from, are they knowable about the subject (credentialed)? It's only where we examine both sides that we understand why we believe what we believe.

[@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk]

In light of what is written in Romans 1...... 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools...... 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen...... Do you believe there is a curse or judgment on people who refuse to believe in God as Creator? Or even on those who don't believe His word when it details a 6 day creation?

[@alfredomenendez8703]

It is quite apparent that ross is just a big funnel for delivering secular science interpretations to Christians. All his points rely strictly on secular science interpretations. He does not ever use any other interpretations of data from yec researchers. He is becoming a wolf in sheep's closing. I do pray he soon realizes the scales on his eyes regarding the plain reading of Scripture. He is too entrenched in his derived science religion. You all need to pray for dr. Ross. Just like francis colin is out of step so is ross.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

There is not one shred of scientific evidence to support a young Earth. NONE There are no scientists studying “young Earth creationism” in any secular research center in the world.

[@peteyrockslol]

I learned a lot however YEC4Lyfe!😎

[@gi169]

Amen

[@lavieenrose5954]

Good grief

[@jeffersonsomzila8746]

Same here. I’m a young earth creationist forever. Billions of years of creation brought death before life. Moreover I’m just thinking of the instruction by God to the Jews to work their fields for 6 yrs and let them rest on the 7th for in six days He created and tested on the seventh.

[@DebPainchaud]

The blessed hope …in Christ’s return soon and this old earth philosophy seems to undermine it

[@mikeramos91]

Mostly everything we’re taught in the mainstream is not in favor of the Bible. The earth is young

[@MutsPub]

You are taught that the Earth is ~4.5662 billion years old. That does not contradict the Bible because the Bible does not state the age of the Earth not the universe.

[@JackSparrow-uh7zv]

​@@MutsPubit does contradict because it would mean there was death before sin.

[@georg7120]

​@@JackSparrow-uh7zvEven the bible tells there was death before sin!

[@JackSparrow-uh7zv]

@@georg7120 Where? Can you provide the verse?

[@georg7120]

@@JackSparrow-uh7zv Genesis 2 Verse 5.

[@LostNowFound-zs8qo]

But we don’t know the actual speed of light right? We know the speed of light as to and fro, but not the to speed and fro speed so how can we assume the time of the universe? I’m not as brilliant as any of these bros of course

[@kinggenius930]

We know the speed of light in a vacuum.

[@MutsPub]

You are trying to use the debunked Jason Lisle & AIG speed of light nonsense; which even Lisle cannot demonstrate. His position is not testable. Dr. Lisle is just playing head games and distorting truth appealing only to the naive. Dr. Lisle completed his legitimate PhD dissertation on our 4.5+ year old Sun. Now, he claims a 10,000 year old Earth to make money. Where does he get the extra 4,000 years from? Can't be before Adam, right? Can't be between Adam and now, right? So where then? The YEC claim that the Earth is only ~6,000 years old according to Ussher, right? The Earth is ~4.5662 billion years old.

[@djsarg7451]

Sorry, This is YEC talking point and has no facts. The speed of light has not changed it 186,000 miles per second. This as not changed, as E=MC2. change C speed of light and no life anywhere at any time. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@jeremiasbaez7537]

Is the debate up?

[@kinggenius930]

Is there any non-theist scientist arguing for a Young Earth?

[@redeemedchannel5580]

99% of them believe the moon landing story as well. DOES NOT make it true.

[@kinggenius930]

​@@redeemedchannel5580So you don't know of a non-theist, Young Earth believing scientist?

[@Thebravemovement]

That’s like asking “ are there any non Jesus believing Christian’s? “ TIME is the God of the atheist…

[@kinggenius930]

​@Thebravemovement Not the same at all. One can easily be an atheist yet find a reason to call scientific theories into question. I am simply asking, are there any such scientists doing so about the age of the Earth? Do you know of any?

[@Thebravemovement]

@@kinggenius930 have you heard of DR JASON LISLE? STANDING FOR TRUTH MINISTRIES on KZbin… This conversation happens 100 times per day. Check these guys out. Dr Jason Lisle debated Hugh Ross and it didn’t go well for Hugh Ross… let’s just say that. He’s compromising Gods clear word and adding to the Bible. I assure you if you’re honest you will know that the earth is absolutely not billions of years old and evolution is the biggest lie ever told to mankind.

[@cryptochris9001]

the universe may be billions years old but Earth is only 6k years

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

The Earth is 4.5662 billion years old. The Bible is the inerrant word of God.

[@bayesianhulk]

The Ken Ham "plain, ordinary" hermeneutic is patently fallacious given the genre analysis and ancient near-eastern (ANE) context of Genesis 1-11. It's a largely figurative story told in the setting of ANE cosmology that has a larger theological point in mind, i.e. Yahweh is the only and true creator God.

[@TheMastersHarvest]

Here is the United States of America in prophecy: We can know "when" we are on God's prophetic calendar. It is written in the book of 2nd Esdras. Chapter 11 contains a prophecy that describes a line of American presidents, five of whom are still alive, and two of them are being kept until "the end." All of them are old men. "The end" is fast approaching. Ezra wrote Second Esdras, chapters 11, 12, and 13 many centuries ago, long before the United States existed, yet he accurately describes a line of 15 US presidents starting with Hoover. This 100-year-long prophecy began fulfilling on March 4, 1929. It is now 95% complete. Its perfect fulfillment to this point has established its credibility. Ezra was not guessing. I have condensed the prophecy into a series of short lessons - my gift to you. Please allow me to guide you through them, step by step, and into understanding. Blessings to you and your loved ones.

[@djsarg7451]

Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

Proof in point is reference to genetic data. Look up genetics by dr. Carter, dr. Jeanson, dr. Tomkins. Time to read up!

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

All listed are YEC pseudo scientists

[@sniffiejoe9370]

Remember folks, Harris was NOT nominated she was installed, like a toilet

[@Juantobiasarango]

🔥🔥🔥

[@Valerie_Dawn]

God is not wrong. Repent of this evil doctrine of long ages and evolution. The two of you are trusting the beliefs of fallible men, who don’t believe God, over what God reveals in Genesis. Hugh is the most egotistical “Christian” I have ever seen, standing on his constant appeals to authority and inventing a doctrine to fit his own preconceived views, learned through years of secular conditioning, contrary to God’s word. Stop lying to yourselves and others.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Have you ever met the man? Have you ever shared a meal with him and his family? Condemn not lest you be condemned!

[@stlouisix3]

I think that the universe is about 7200 years old, but it could be about 6400 years old, according to Catgolic teaching, too.

[@ji8044]

Absolutely not, you clearly never went to Catholic school.

[@djsarg7451]

A day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 or 7200 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@Moist._Robot]

When you rely on a conflicting book of mythology for your understanding of the world you can expect to not agree with each other. Christianity and the bible are finished.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

The "B"ible is not finished. As scientific discoveries are made the word of God gets stronger.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

Is this a form of "progressive christianity" to accept secular science into the scriptures.

[@calebalbertson1690]

Depends where you draw the line. It is not "progressive Christianity" to notice how far light from distant stars must have traveled to coincide with the doppler effect red shift, and how much time that must have taken.

[@alfredomenendez8703]

And are you an expert on cosmology to make that statement. What about items from james webb that have z numbers over 10. You should read more.

[@calebalbertson1690]

@@alfredomenendez8703 arguments from authority are so 2020

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

@@alfredomenendez8703 Do tell us all how that is relevant.

[@festushaggen2563]

Debate all you want, it'll still lead you to the throne of God and the truth of His word. Genesis 1 and 2. 6 days of creation. The end.

[@salmonkill7]

You think Genesis was written in English. Young Earth Creationism denies both Scripture AND Scientific evidence. Despite what your leader says there isn't TWO types of Science, only the Scientific Method!!

[@gi169]

6 days according to the Word of God brother, Amen and God Bless.

[@davidkunze2770]

Do you just ignore then v1 and v2 and the change of reference seen there in? Thanks

[@festushaggen2563]

@davidkunze2770 I don't see the need to ignore anything as much as I accept what Genesis 1 and 2 clearly state. 6 days with "evening and morning" to specify that each are 1 day as we all know.

[@keithbirdwell]

@@festushaggen2563the book is written in Hebrew and the Hebrew allows for an old earth model. Even early church fathers believed that the earth was old.

[@masonharder709]

You either believe the bible or don’t. Exodus 20:11

[@djsarg7451]

You need to read the whole Bible not YEC talking points. And for the Jews the 7th day was not always 24 hours. The Jewish practice of the seven-year land rest, is a commandment from God to leave the land of Israel fallow and not work it every seven years. So a day is a year? Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Ex 20:11 is an analogy for God's pattern. Nothing relevant here.

[@castironmonkey3186]

There is too much evidence from science and the Bible to say the Earth is old. No Moses was not just writing to the Hebrews, he wrote to all of us for all time. There are other words in the Hebrew language that would more specifically mean a long period of time. If the days of creation were long periods of time we things would've been dying while God was creating and calling the things He created good. God does not like death. God loves all of His creation so He would bot have called it good.

[@Terrylb285]

Any scriptures that say there was no animal death or plant death before Adam sinned. Any scriptures that say animals and plants died as a result of Adams sin. Roman’s 5 is explicit that death came to Humans through sin. Animals and plants don’t sin. And what was the purpose of the tree of life .

[@castironmonkey3186]

​@@Terrylb285so you believe that God thinks death is good? Yes Romans 5 specifically says humans but God put us over the plants and animals, put us in dominion over them. What does God's Word say about leadership and how it affects those under them? The Earth completely changed after Adam and Eve sinned. Also does the Bible say anything about animals dying before sin? Nope. It does say that the animals ate the vegetation so the animals weren't eating each other. You should really pray that God gives you a deeper understanding of His nature.

[@djsarg7451]

No day is it. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@djsarg7451]

@@Terrylb285 YEC talking point not in the Bible: Romans 5:12 “Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn.” This is clear death came to “all mankind”, not animals. Why would God kill animals due to man’s sin? YEC claim about mankind killing animals due to sin is just not in the Bible. Predator and prey in balance is good and God said it was good. Predator play a key role in keeping ecosystems healthy. They help keep deer and elk populations in check, which can benefit many other plant and animal species. The carcasses of their prey a lso help to redistribute nutrients and provide food for other wildlife species. Psalms 147:9, Job 12:7-10

[@Terrylb285]

@@djsarg7451 they’ve pre determined that the days are 24 hours and only 24 hours .

[@MHMDmeansJesu234Christ]

Michael Oard gives the after-the-flood events in a way to PERFECTLY describe the life and death of the wooly mammoth. Not to mention many other events of the ONE big Ice Age. As far as I am concerned, there is not a young/ old earth battle. Its a spiritual one.

[@ji8044]

LMFAO, stop you YEC people are killing me.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Michael Oard is a YEC pseudo scientist, thus irrelevant. His MS in atmospheric science is relevant to woolly mammoths, how? Have him explain the 800,000 year old ice cores from EPICA Dome C Antarctica, 2007

[@tscottme]

Most of the Young Earth Creation arguments come from 1961 book The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb & Morris. This book pushes Seventh-Day Adventist ideas of George M. Price. If the YECs knew they were pushing arguments from a Seventh-Day Adventism (heretical) perspective they would be embarrassed. The YT Channel of InspiringPhilosophy has a video on this topic with lots of sources and citations called The Origins of Young Earth Creationism. In that video at the 15:18 mark you can see that book was the origin of the relatively recent and now-declining YEC view. YEC is not the obvious reading of Genesis or majority view of Christians. It's a declining view. YEC isn't a matter of salvation but it is a perfect approach for creating Christians that walk away from the faith when the YEC required rejection of science becomes too much and they have to choose between Bible and science. All truth will point to the God of the Bible. Any time science and the Bible appear to conflict it is man's understanding of the Bible or science that is in error. The Bible is true.

[@virginiasanchez4614]

What are Neanderthals are they human or part ape.....I dont understand, can someone explain that to me. Thanks

[@rationeextrema3776]

Neanderthals are hominids like Homo sapiens, which includes us, Neanderthals, other human species, and the Great Apes. To be clear, Neanderthals and us are apes.

[@MutsPub]

@@rationeextrema3776 There is nothing in the fossil record to support your claim. In fact all bipedal primate species went extinct before they physically evolved.

[@MutsPub]

They were bipedal primates; not Man. Neanderthals went extinct before they physically evolved. If you listen carefully to what Dr. Ross stated in the video, it is possible that beastiality took place producing a very small number of offspring. The issue is not settled science, at all, despite what is being posited. In fact, it is highly debated amongst scientists. It is also possible that due to the climate conditions and diet that NT's and humans endured, some 40,000+ years ago, the appearance of similarities in each of their DNA is possible. More research is needed. Adam and Eve were Created. Therefore, the issue is moot.

[@rationeextrema3776]

@@MutsPub Unequivocally false given that we still exist today. What do you think a primate is? Actually, what do you do know about cladistics and phylogeny? Also, what does it mean for something to "physically evolve"? Also, there are Neanderthal fossils displayed in museums and several pictures and descriptions of Homo neanderthalensis fossils. Saying there is nothing in the fossil record to support my claim is either egregious ignorance or deception on your part.

[@rationeextrema3776]

@@MutsPub If you are referring to the interbreeding between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis, then there were viable offspring between them and us, as evidenced by the Neanderthal DNA in European and Asian populations. Also, there is literally no way for diet and environment to cause genes to have the exact same sequence as another species. That's not how genetics works. I also don't know what you mean when you say it's not settled science. What part of it is not settled? Interbreeding between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis? No, genome sequencing of several Neanderthal specimens shows that gene flow occurred between them and us. They're not part of the genus Homo? That's flat out wrong given that they fit the definition of Homo to a T. If you're going to discredit them, then you're going to have to do the same for us. We're not related to them? That's wrong. We share at least 99.7% of our DNA with them, as shown by genome sequencing of Neanderthal DNA. You wouldn't get that from interbreeding by the way.

[@HowAboutThat224]

The King James Bible is perfect. Every word. I believe old earth, but I wouldn’t debate someone over it. Most professing Christians can’t even tell you the gospel.

[@MutsPub]

The King James version is not perfect. Please get your facts straight.

[@HowAboutThat224]

@@MutsPub thanks for making your opinion donkey

[@MutsPub]

@@HowAboutThat224 Are you 12? Are you Christian in name only?

[@JadDragon]

@@HowAboutThat224 only God is perfect; what you're doing is idolatry.

[@HowAboutThat224]

@@JadDragon for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name (Psalm 138: KJV) Plenty of other verses on God and his word. Please tell me where to find his word then? Where is word? If I don’t have his word, what is the point. We only know God through his word.

[@DiscipleofJesusChrist-t2p]

*One of the problems with accepting or compromising the Bible's date (accurate genealogy) on man's origin is that the math doesn't add up.* There's not a shred of evidence that the Earth is 4 billion years old, much less that we came from a rock 3.5 billion years ago, and man evolved from a monkey like creature 250,000 to 300,000 years ago. Let's take a look at man's origin using math: *Most factual math + human population history according to "the story of evolution"* If humans (i.e., the genus homo ) have been on the Earth for roughly two to three million years. Using statistics, one can arrive at an estimate for how many people would be predicted to be on the Earth at different points in history. For example, accounting for factors such as *war, plagues, disease, natural disasters, and famine* and assuming humans have been on the planet for only one million, rather than two to three million, years, we find that there should be 10^2,000 people on the planet today. There are, however, not even 10^10 people on the Earth. In fact, if three-feet-tall humans with narrow shoulders were squeezed into the Universe like sardines, only 10^82 people could fit into the entire Universe. It would take 10^1,918 (minus one) other Universes like ours to house that many humans. *Extremely generous math to try to favor the history of humanity according to "the story of evolution"* Atheist scientists had originally said that humans broke off from ape-like creatures 2.5 million years ago. And that modern man evolved from that humanoid about 250,000 to 300,000 years ago. Well, even if we assume that humans have ony been on the planet for 10,000 years, when the alleged agricultural revolution started and being extremely conversative. Only doubling the world's population every 150 years (currently the population doubles about 40 years), *after 150 years there will be 4 people, after another 150 years there will be 8 people, after another 150 years there will be 16 people, and so on* This rate is actually very conservative. (we have records of a Russian woman in the 1700's who gave birth to over 60 children). I am taking into account *disease, plagues, famines, natural disasters, wars, and reverse birth to death ratio at various intervals.* Way before the discovery of penicillin in 1928. We have records of women from the 1400's giving birth to 10 children on average, let's say only 5 would make it to old age for the factors mentioned above, so 2 children per couple every 150 years for 10,000 years it is extremely generous. Calculating these numbers, there would have been averaging close to 100 doublings in 10,000 years. The world’s population would be whopping figure of the # 1 followed by 30 zeros. Check it out: 1,000000000000000000000000000000. You can still wipe out humanity a couple of times more and the numbers still don't add up. *Think about this in 1912 when the Titanic sank. The world's population was only a little over 1 billion people. Fast-forward 100 years and we are 8 billion. And we have had world war I and world War II in between (70 million people died). In 1945-46 around 140,000 people died as a result of the bombing of Hiroshima, Plus the worst influenza plague the world has ever seen, which happened 1918 (50 million people die)* Still In the last 100 years alone we can see a population growth of 8 times its numbers. *Now, let's look at this other also very conservative math:* If we start about 4,500 years ago (time of Noah's flood, only 8 people survived). After about 30 doublings, which is about 4,500 years, the world's population would have reached about 8 billion people (4,500 years ÷ 150 years in between births = 30 doublings // 8 exponentially doubled 30 times = 8,589,934,592 people). Just more or less what we have today. Give or take a few millions due to the negative factors mentioned above. Yes, some Christians and many other religions believe in some sort of evolution. But this is only because they have been influenced by this indoctrination since they were children. *Math doesn't lie. We can see how man invented the a theory of his origin to try to do away with God’s moral laws. We have lied about our origin, our history. And the studies of archeology, biology, anthropology, and so on. We even rather believe in panspermia (aliens from other galaxies). We are very ready to accept anything but God. BTW, religion is also man's made. For God there's only two religions good and evil* There's gonna be people regardless of their educational level that because of their cognitive biases can look at these facts and will still want to continue their merry-way without having any accountability for their actions. *Data taken into account.* *We have the oldest world's population census data from China's Han Dynasty in 2 CE, which recorded a population of 57.7 million people.* *World population record:* "8000 BC This is an assumed date based on human evolution; which is a total fictional fabrication: The claimed world's population was around 5 million at the beginning of agriculture." *The following world's population record is from factual census:* 1 AD: The world's population was around 200 million, but some estimates suggest it was closer to 300 million or 600 million. 1800: The world's population reached 1 billion. 1930: The world's population reached 2 billion. 1960: The world's population reached 3 billion. 1974: The world's population reached 4 billion. 1987: The world's population reached 5 billion. 1999: The world's population reached 6 billion people 2011: The world's population reached 7 billion people 2022: The world's population reached 8 billion people 2023: The world's population was 8,045,311,447. *COVID 2019 to 2024 about 7,010,681 people died* *Each year there are approximately 4 million births in the U.S. and 2.4 million deaths.* The world's fertility rate has only been declining over the past 70 years, from around 5 children per woman in 1950 to 2.2 children per woman in 2021. This is due to a number of factors, including: • Reduced childhood mortality: Mothers no longer need to compensate for lost children • Increased women's autonomy: Women have more control over their lives • Improved contraception access and efficacy: Contraception is more widely available and effective.

[@rationeextrema3776]

You say you're taking constraints on population growth into consideration, but you're obviously not. I've heard this same math from young earth creationists without any constraining factors considered. For one, populations are limited by carrying capacity, which is how much an environment can support without collapsing on itself. That giant ballooning of our population over a century was because we increased our carrying capacity. Advances in medicine also prolonged our lifespan, which meant people lived longer and could produce more children. As for the role of other constraining factors, you're completely trivializing them. Famines, natural disasters, and plagues could devastate millions of people, as we see today. That greatly affects how much a population can grow. The difference between then and now is that we have modern technology and techniques that ensure we're more likely to live. People from three thousand years ago didn't have that.

[@Moist._Robot]

You have been corrected on this wall of garbage before. I hope it took you ages to type it all down because it is false. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

1) All three of these indicate that the universe came into existence billions of years ago. a) Sloan Digital Sky Survey b) Two Degree Deep Sky Survey c) The WMAP. The most accurate map of the radiation left over from the Creation event. 2) There are 6 independent measures for the date of rock. a) 2 Uranium dates. b) 1 Thorium date. c) 3 Lead dates. ALL come to the same result, ~4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old. Thorium -232 decays into lead -208 Uranium -235 decays into lead -207 Uranium -238 decays into lead -206

[@DiscipleofJesusChrist-t2p]

@@rationeextrema3776 You're just repeating everything went over. It feels like talking to a wall. Obviously your cognitive biases/dissonance is off the chart, something very typical of an atheist who is deeply submerged in his cult.

[@DiscipleofJesusChrist-t2p]

@@Moist._Robot Hard-core atheists like you can't see the evidences presented, for the same reason a thief can't find a cop 👮

[@boltrooktwo]

Inerrancy is an improbable concept and not one supported by reality, these are texts written by individual authors in their own personalities and styles, they are inspired by God and can draw you closer to God but still texts written by humans who make errors. A text can’t be an authority for people without a living human authority to interpret it, you can claim to be that authority but Protestants don’t try any legitimate attempt at a claim of interpretive authority, instead insist their interpretations and presuppositions are the only clear valid ones from their traditions. The contradictions in their interpretations are easy to point out but often ignored.

[@JadDragon]

Joseph is a false prophet. Repent and follow Jesus.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@JadDragon You follow the false prophets of Protestantism, repent and follow Jesus.

[@JadDragon]

@@boltrooktwo nope, just a protestant. Joseph is a false prophet though. If you guys _were_ Christian you'd be protestant too. Well done admitting by your own standards Smith is a false prophet 💀

[@boltrooktwo]

@@JadDragon If Protestants don’t have prophets they are false and follow false traditions they made.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@JadDragon Protestants are the blind leading the blind. Jesus sends prophets who can see, that’s what every one of the books of scripture conform to, words of mortal prophets. Protestantism is relativism, by it’s standard you can say whatever you want the scripture to say because you are blind and go make your own church, it’s happened thousands of times and that’s why there are thousands of different Protestant sects.

[@sorens70601]

I Basically Agree with Dr. Hugh Ross , on the fact that the Heavens, ( plural) and the Earth , were CREATED ( Heb. "bara" ) in the "DATELESS PAST" ( Heb. "b`rashith" ) And that the Universe Is Very Very Old !! However, at Minute 7:17, and onward, Dr. Ross declares that for Six Days, God CREATES !! On the Seventh Day God Stops "Creating" !! The Problem with THAT Statement, is This; That the Hebrew Text declares, that: in the Six Days GOD was RESTORING, "Made", ( Heb. "asah", meaning Put into Order , and Not CREATING , ( as in the Heb. word "bara" ) To Create means to something out of Nothing !! So outside of Creating The Sea Creaturews and the Birds of the Air and the Beasts of the field, and Creeping Things, all on the Fourth day !! ( verse 21 ) And Creating ADAM and EVE, on Day Six !! ( verse 27 ) Thus, the Majority of Gods Work, was that of RESTORATION !! And Certainly NOT the CREATION of the Universe, ( Which was accomplished, in the DATELESS Past ) Therefore The REST on the Sevent Day ! Gen.2:3, makes it Clear that GOD ceased from His Work of "making" ( Restoring ) the Earth, as well as CREATING the Fishes of the sea, and the Fowls of the Air, and the Creeping Things !! All the other Things that God did on Day One, Day Two, Day Three, and Day Five, were Things that were Restorative and Not CREATIVE !! So, for Dr. Ross to say that The Sevneth Day is Continuing, would be an Error, in my Understanding !! As GOD declares in Gen.2:2-3 , that He "RESTED" from All the Work that he "Made", ( Heb. "asah" ) and He Blessed and Sanctified the Seventh Day !! Which Proves that, THAT DAY, being "Sanctified", had come to an End , and is Not Continuing !! As such, in my Understanding, God is Not Continuing any "Restorartive Work" , Nor any more "CREATIVE Work" !! I would Like to meet Dr. Ross, as I Basically do Agree with Much of what He presents !! And I do NOT Agree with Any of the "YOUNG EARTHERS", and Anything that they Present !! Morgan sorensen, ( Biblical Theologian ) in Ministry since 1963

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Bereshit "bara" Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz Bara is used here, sorry.

[@sorens70601]

@@Wstrn_L46-5 , I said That !! So What is your Point ??

[@ji8044]

My thanks to Frank Turek for inadvertently demonstrating why Christianity is difficult to take seriously in the 21st Century. Most of the people here insist the Earth is 6,000 years old because they went to a museum run by an Australian con artist where they have exhibits of people living with dinosaurs like in the Flintstones.

[@djsarg7451]

It is sad YEC, but they are NOT the Church or the Bible. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@paradigmbuster]

The universe was created in the beginning but a planet is made (transformed for service) in six days. The earth was finished 6000 years ago. So you have a young earth with an old universe, so no compromise or wresting of scripture like he he does.

[@djsarg7451]

A day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@paradigmbuster]

@djsarg7451 With evolutionary theories the earth is never finished, the tectonic plates will be moving around and reshaping the earth forever. With evolutionary theories biology is forever being made and remade. This sort of gives nature almost magical and eternal powers. If one disbelieves the flood then the sedimentary layers are layed slowly over millions of years. Therfore deep time. If the earth was smooth and covered with water was rapidly transformed into an earth with dry land and ocean basins by a miraculous increase in earths diameter then what is attributed to plate tectonics opened the ocean basins at the speed of a car going down the highway instead of hundreds of millions of years for plate tectonics. So if a person thinks that science has confirmed long geologic ages and evolution he will subscribe to the longest interpretation of what a day means. If the plates will essentially be in the same place as they were at the close of the 3rd day (except for tidal flexing), in the future, the earth is finished. As well if the animals that exist today are here in the future with more extinct, biology is finished as well.

[@Moist._Robot]

Meanwhile, Ken Ham regularly declares that unless you follow gods word that states the earth is only 6000 years old then you’re not a real Christian. You’re not following gods word.

[@jaflenbond7854]

The REALITY is the claim that GOD doesn't exist and the Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are all false, all Satanic tricks, lies, and deceptions that bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame, and will definitely cause the downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Atheists. The TRUTH is LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who love, honor, and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King will definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 but will also be hated, insulted, mocked, dishonored, and slandered by arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Atheists who are unitedly boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD in their opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 and 2. Jesus Christ too is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth in their opposition and defiance of what's written in Matthew 28: 18 The TRUTH is the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are the guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@jaflenbond7854 That’s great but I haven’t a clue of what point you’re making. Try making your point in one paragraph instead of 50.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

Mr. Ken Ham is not a doctoral expert, in anything; not astrophysics, nor Biblical hermeneutics. His opinion is not the "end all" as he pretends that it is. He has a BAS and taught High School science for a couple years in a small town in Australia, some 45 years ago.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@Wstrn_L46-5 Well none of that matters because he’s going off gods word in the bible.

[@TomMichael5678]

​@@Moist._Robot Whatchya 😭 crying about today, Franky?

[@gotenks38]

If God created Adam as a man, not a boy, not a baby, an adult male, couldn't He then create an "adult" universe? Hypothetically, Adam may have looked 35 to us, but he was only 35 seconds old at one time. Food for thought.

[@MutsPub]

It is not food for thought at all. Physics is ubiquitous. That has nothing to do with the physical Creation of Adam. Adam, as we are, is less than a speck compared to the universe.

[@Jwarrior123]

Yes. Excellent point. I believe that's what God did. 👍

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

@@Jwarrior123 So, is God deceiving us? Did God Create science? The JWST, Hubble, WMAP, Planck satellite, KOBE Satellite, Sloan Digital Sky Survey, Two Degree Deep Sky Survey, etc. all of which tell us that the universe is billions of years old, is all deception?

[@ji8044]

Nonsensical thought actually, but maybe if you chew on it a while . . .

[@Terrylb285]

Adam was created brand new .

[@ji8044]

There is no debate at all. Anybody who holds to the idea of a young earth is either poorly educated themselves or making a lot of money from the poorly educated, like Ken Ham.

[@litigioussociety4249]

I would argue something more opposite. That most people accept the old earth view, because they're indoctrinated into it before they have a grasp of theology or the bible, and then they add God into the secular, scientific worldview rather than interpret the world through the lens of the bible being true. I studied environmental sciences and biology in college. Have learned much more on my own as an adult, and believe the old earth view is wrong/flawed, and it doesn't work with the bible without reinterpreting basic theology as well.

[@pandajacket1598]

The problem is that so many things in current science are filled with nonsense. Not everyone has time to get a robust education, and modern ‘science’ likes to incorporate things like multiple genders as a given. Which a literal caveman would laugh at you about. (I am an old earth view) but unfortunately so much fact has been mixed with fiction that I understand how people get stuck in a young earth view.

[@patrickthomas2119]

@@litigioussociety4249there is literally not a single bit of observable or measurable data that points to a young earth but an near overwhelming amount of data that says it is old. You have to be ignorant in even how light travels across space and might as well argue for flat earth if you try to posit a young earth Just stop. I lost my faith and took many years to even get to a place of accepting a creator is even a reasonable explanation specifically because of young earth nonsense and how much they lie about science and data.

[@matts.6558]

@@patrickthomas2119Watch the newly released Ark in the Darkness, no evidence you say?

[@emilclark645]

I guess you believe we came from monkeys too, I'm amazed!!!

[@Columbo-r4z]

It is the young earth creationists that got me here. Researching their lies against science showed me creationists are living in a delusion.

[@MutsPub]

Did you watch the video? Dr. Ross is not a young Earth Creationist. The Earth is 4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old.

[@Columbo-r4z]

@@MutsPub Yes but it’s the YEC’s that showed me what deluded and deceitful people they are.

[@Sebastianx115]

@@Columbo-r4zwatch Ken Ham

[@MutsPub]

@@Columbo-r4z I understand and agree to a point. However, not all YEC's are deceitful. That is painting with a pretty broad brush. The age of the Earth is not in any way a salvation issue. There have been millions of people that accepted Jesus with little to no knowledge of science. With that said, there are those that know and reject, or actually falsify the science for financial gain, which is who I believe you are referring to. They are deceivers.

[@Columbo-r4z]

@@Sebastianx115 I’ve watched Ken ham many times.

[@somerandom3247]

Biblical inerrancy? Which of the hundreds of versions of the bible is supposedly inerrent? All evidence shows that the earth is old, not young like the bible suggests....

[@MutsPub]

The Old testament is a translation of the original Jewish Tanakh which, excluding 269 verses containing Aramaic words, was written in Ancient Hebrew; roughly 23,000 verses total. The Tanakh was completed circa 430 BC.. The New Testament is a translation of the original Greek text, including 14 verses containing Aramaic words; roughly 8,000 verses total. The New Testament was completed before the end of the first century AD. All evidence does indicate that the Earth is 4.5662 billion years old. The Bible does not state the age of the Earth. If you read the first page of Genesis, you will find 14 Creation events, total, in the correct chronological sequence that occurred thousands to billions of years before the author was born; including 4 correct starting conditions of the early Earth.

[@djsarg7451]

The Bible does not teach a young Earth! YEC teach this and they are not the Bible. YEC reject Nature and the Bible. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. A day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 or 7200 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@somerandom3247]

@@MutsPub Which of the creation accounts do you believe is in correct chronological order?

[@MutsPub]

@@somerandom3247 Uh, that would be page 1. Here's your sign.

[@somerandom3247]

@@MutsPub Ok, so the first one, not the second one which is different. God creates light (day 1) The sky (day 2) the earth, seas, and vegetation (day 3) the sun and moon (day 4) animals of the air and sea (day 5) and land animals and humans (day 6). A few things there that definitely don't align with reality. Depending on what is meant by "the sky", that could be out of place. The sun was definitely around before the earth, and the vegetation. And the land animals long preceded the animals of the air. We are still on page one and there are already errors..... So much for biblical inerrancy I guess.....

[@georg7120]

The bible can't be inerrant, because it contains contradictions.

[@jaflenbond7854]

Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and Atheists will NOT last on earth forever because their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, unkindness, ungratefulness, deceits, and their - 1. LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and 2. LIES and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and also the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors. LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever will definitely live and exist on earth forever because their submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 will definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 ensure and guarantee that all the LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE PERSONS on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@Servant-u9z]

Are you inerrant?

[@georg7120]

@@Servant-u9z Nobody is.

[@Servant-u9z]

@@georg7120 so by that admission, could your previous statement be in error?

[@georg7120]

@@Servant-u9z No, because it's not an opinion, but a fact.

[@mlauntube]

Straw man

[@boltrooktwo]

Creation from nothing isn’t supported in the scripture, the scripture describes a time elapsing process of bringing order to matter and energy. Giving order to something is creation, it brings purpose to something organized but the creation was something before.

[@JadDragon]

Mormonism isn't supported in the Scripture, the Scripture condemns it.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@JadDragon You have no claim to understand scripture.

[@JadDragon]

@@boltrooktwo says the person taught that by a false prophet. You have no authority to say I have no authority - see how that works?

[@djsarg7451]

Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@djsarg7451 You can’t verify the age of the universe or the expanding universe you can only theorize they are true with equations because they are out of human reach. There is evidence against those claims found by telescopes and some evidence for their possibility. To say they are proven or verified is false and lead to bad conclusions about objective science, at most they are possible. Much of this research is done to support a presupposition and that is reached before findings are measured. The account of creation is split into different time periods with a progression, the creation it describes isn’t out of nothing and never conveys that it was out of nothing.

[@sorens70601]

The "Young Earth" Theory, is "Dead on Arrival", when we Exmine the Hebrew scriptures !! Where the Kjv Bible Declares; ..."In the Begining". The Hebrew Text Declares; ...."In the Dateless Past" ( Heb. "b`rashith" ) Where the KJV declares; ..."GOD Created the Heaven, and the Earth" . The Hebrew Text declares; ..."God Created , ( Heb. "bara", Made out of Nothing ) the Heavens, (plural, Heb. "e`shmim") and the Heb. "e`artz", Dry Land !! in Gen.1:2, where the Kjv, declares that The Earth "Was" Without Form and Void ! The Hebrew Text declares that; ...Thwe Earth "Became" ( Heb. "hayah" tohu va Bohu" Considder the Following; ....The Creation of the Heavens ( plural ) and the Earth, must have happened possibly Millions of years ago, and Certainly NOT only 6227 years ago !! As the Scientists of our day, tell us that the Heavens Contain over 40 Sextillion Stars. And we Also read in Heb.11:3, that; ..."Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, So that things which are seen, were not made, of things which do appear." That means that God "Spoke INTO EXISTENCE", the MATERIAL UNIVERSE !! So, how long did it take God to "Create" the Material Universe ? Well the Bible does not Tell Us That !! But we have some interesting "clues" from Gen.1:3-2:3, concerning the "Re-Creative", and "Restorative" work, of the Six days, in that; ..... God took One Day, to divide darkness and light on planet Earth. ( Gen.1:3-5 ) God took another Day, to divide the Waters. ( Gen.1:6-8 ) God took Another Day, to restore "Dry land". ( Gen.1:9-13 ) God took another Day, to regulate the SUN , the MOON and the STARS, in connection with the Restored Earth. (Gen.1:14-19 ) And all this was done by God SPEAKING, (commanding) it into being, ( as in Gen.1:9,...." And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." So using a little Common Sense and Logic, based on the facts of the Astronomical Claim, that there are approximately ( 40 Sextillion ) 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, Stars in Space !! And they tell us that each of those Stars, are a SUN to other PLANETS. Then the question I have for All the "Young Earth" believers, is this; ....If God "spoke" Things into being, as is declared in Hebrews 11:3, and God used One DAY, to complete each of the Four "RESTORATIVE ACTS" in the first FOUR Days of the "Recreation and Restoration" of 6227 years ago !! Would it not be LOGICAL to Assume that God used at least ONE DAY, to "speak into being" Each of the Approximately 40 sextillion STARS that the Astronomers Claim are in the Universe ?? And so, How many YEARS Does 40 sextillion "DAYS", Amount To, in YEARS, according to Ya'Alls reckoning ?? Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian ) and Constitutional Scholar, in minstry since 1963

[@djsarg7451]

The Bible does not teach a young Earth! YEC teach this and they are not the Bible. YEC reject Nature and the Bible. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. A day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 or 7200 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning.

[@sorens70601]

@@djsarg7451 @djsarg7451, You Said; .... The Bible does not teach a young Earth! YEC teach this and they are not the Bible. YEC reject Nature and the Bible. MY RESPONSE; .... That's Exactly what I Commented, "before" your Response !! But you Also Said; .... Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 has not ended. MY RESPONSE; ... This is INCORRECT, and is your "Un-Biblical Speculation", based on your Allegorizing the Spiritual Aplication of Heb.4:9-10, back Into the "Restorative Acts" of the Six Days of "Restoration", after that God had brought Judgment upon LUCIFERS Domain, of Ruling the Earth !! In GOD having the Earth "Become" ( Heb. "hayah" ) "Empty and Void". ( Heb. "tohu va bohu" ) Which you Erroneously Referred to , as "GOD MADE the Heavens and the Earth, in Six Days" !! By quoting Exod.20:11, which Speaks of the Six Days that God "MADE", ( Heb. "asah" ) Referring to GOD'S Restoration of the Earth in Six Literal Days, ( and NOT to Original CREATION, Heb" barah" ) which refers to GOD "Creating Out of Nothing" the "Heavens", ( plural ) and the Earth. ( Singular ) You Also Said; .... The Events of day 6, can Not have happened in 24 hours. MY RESPONSE; .... Well, Gen.1:31, REFUTES your "Un-Biblical" Jewish Speculation !! As it Declares; ..."And the Evening and the Morning were the Sixth Day !! ( 24 hours, "Touche' !!) And the Rest of Your "ramblings", I could Easily Disagree with, but I do not have the Time, nor the Inclination, as a Biblical Theologian, to go into THAT !! Since I am Conscious of the Words of JESUS, when he Said; ..."BEWARE of MEN", As Jesus was Warning us about JEWISH MEN, ( and JEWISH SCHOLARS in Particular ) and Not GENTILE Men !! Good Day to you , sir Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian ) in ministry since 1963.

[@Wstrn_L46-5]

You mix apples and oranges. Dr. Walter Kaiser, Jr. PhD and Dr. Gleason Archer PhD disagree with you. Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz In the beginning of the beginning, Elohim, (bara) He-Created something that never existed before, all physical reality; matter space, time , and energy. The "Heavens and the Earth" is a hendiadys. It is used 13 times in the Old Testament. Always indicating all physical reality. There Earth is not 6,000 years old; nor does the Bible state that nor any other age.