Crossfit® Pull-Ups

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Let me know your honest thoughts on 'The Butterfly Pull-Up'

[@jamesburtch9331]

Should really be called a circular pull up given the motion of each repetition.

[@boxerjjp9416]

They are a gymnastic move cross fit have STRICT PULL UPS in training but they never come up in the GAMES because it's not something anyone wants to watch. It is more for endurance.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@jamesburtch9331 true that 🤣

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@boxerjjp9416 strict pull-ups would be boring as hell 🤣🤣

[@NUFCOfficial]

@@tylerjaehamilton making something over and over easier doesn't make it better. I'm sure watching people on rowing machines for 3 hours is boring too.... Oh wait they did that. Gymnastics don't do this for 10s of reps and multiple sets.

[@anakkampung2013]

I've been doing crossfit for almost 4 years now.. and still find that butterfly pull up is hilarious.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Very laughable, however if you can do them, nothing is more satisfying

[@onnol917]

yeah, and when I compare my score to the guy doing butterfly he gets to laugh back. it all evens out in the end

[@anakkampung2013]

I agreed with the video. For the demand of the sport, athlete need to do it. But for an avergae joe like me, lol who is just looking getting healthier, I dont do it.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@anakkampung2013 absolutely correct, why do it if it's NOT your goals to be elite? 💪

[@anthonys8947]

I don't think butterflies are happy to be associated with this movement.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

I spoke to a butterfly, they concur with this comment

[@HoHe20]

I never did butterflies. Though I can. Always kipping pullups or regular (strict) pullups.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Beast 💪

[@basantathapa3834]

Butterfly pull up =Battery powered scooter Strict pull up = normal scooter

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Love the analogy!

[@onnol917]

soooo, one is more enviromental friendly? that makes 0 sense

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@onnol917 it's more...energy efficient... (Compared to it's petrol counterpart)

[@onnol917]

@@tylerjaehamilton I guess, too bad we need to put a qouta on strict pull up pollution now :/

[@nuzabe9054]

Crossfitters just do the whole known universe a favor and don’t put the “butterfly pull up” under the category of “pull up”. Call it something else, like “bar swings”, “butterfly swings”. Don’t disrespect one of the hardest lifts in fitness.

[@twirdman2]

I can see wanting them to call butterfly pull ups something else but " one of the hardest lifts in fitness." is a bit hyperbolic. I'll admit I cannot do a pull up but it is hardly one of the hardest lifts in fitness. According to docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19l4tVfdTJLheLMwZBYqcw1oeEBPRh8mxngqrCz2YnVg/edit#gid=2032740838 A bar pull up is listed as a level 3 skill or a basic skill. It rates the same as a beginners shrimp squat, a single leg glute bridge, or a .43X press. I can easily do all of those and I wouldn't consider myself particularly strong or athletic. Being able to do a pullup is great but let's not pretend it is some Olympic level feat. It is a basic skill for anyone doing calisthenics.

[@nashwilliams5852]

Anthony Van Duzer perhaps In terms of skill and body awareness, but in terms of exertion; obviously a pull up is harder. If it were as “easy” as the shrimp squats and glute bridges, you could do one.

[@andreassandstrom5101]

I hope this goes viral! I am a true crossfitter and this is so true and this video shows the truth of the butterfly pull up in a fun and entertaining way!

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thank you Andreas

[@jdh7144]

I've tried some butterflies in the past but they will make my shoulders ache and it's not worth it at my age and I can strict pull up 10 and strict dip 10 (and it may be my "technique" but I'm just not that interested - I mean I AM interested if I thought I could reliably train with them safely, but I'm not willing to gamble on my 42 year old shoulders). As someone else, I think, said already, I use strict in my strength training but I do kip in WODs because of the efficiency. I mean the POINT is to get things done quickly, and doing singles with strict once you lose multiples in the strict movement will slow you (me) down enough that you'll lose a reasonable amount of the benefit of doing the metabolic conditioning in the first place. Kipping allows you to drop from the rig gasp a few gasps and jump back up in knock off another 3 or 4 or 5 (probably before dropping again)(for mere mortals like myself). Anyway, the clear point of butterflys is to be as fast as possible going from a hang from a bar to a chin over a bar (or chest to a bar), and THAT'S IT. Too many strength athletes miss the point. They are NOT being done for any functional reason at all whatsoever, so to try and judge them on that basis means you simply are not paying attention (I mean it's all but admitted by athletes that use the movement it's not about being the strongest guy doing the most pull-ups, it's about getting through the damn reps as fast as possible and efficiently as possible). I guess that dead horse has been beat enough at this point. I think they are fun to watch at the Games, to be honest, but I'm a fan.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thanks for the comment JDH (as always) Your 42 shoulders are doing well with 10x strict pull-ups/dips! People tend to get the idea of this movement mixed up. It's not functional, but if utilized with the correct technique/strength requirements, it becomes relatively safe. That dead horse is burried... 🤣

[@longarmboi]

The only 3 times I got shoulder pain from butterflies were the ones when I didn't properly warm up :D My shoulders are insanely loose and I need to do stability drills before them. That's all.

[@goblinknife1465]

butterfly pull up the best can build big back

[@jakesherron9772]

It’s a way a person can do a lot of pull ups who can’t actually do pull ups

[@themanofculture7339]

I can do 10 clean AF muscle up but i cant do this

[@alessonsouza3919]

Question : how many strict pull-ups can you do?

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Best is 21

[@andreasiem8079]

Love Debra

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Update on Debra: She took 6 weeks off knitting to yell at some retail workers

[@beau2271]

Yes they do look stupid but with repetition in the middle of a workout I still believe it does build muscular endurance (not strength, endurance) as well as take a lot of coordination under fatigue. Still is definitely a test of fitness

[@tylerjaehamilton]

To a point, Yes, in trained athletes.

[@kellycrossfit1655]

I've done crossfit for almost a year I can string a few kipping pull ups together but I'm scared to try butterflies I fear I may fly off the bar!!!

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Just drink a can of Redbull, you'll be flying in notime Kelly 🤣

[@craigbuckton8557]

Shouldn't it be a can of nocco if you're a CrossFitter 😉👍🏼

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@craigbuckton8557 Aussies don't have nocco (easily available to us anyway) 💀

[@yxllowSnow]

A butterfly pullup looks like someone with absolutely no clue what they are doing trying to do a pull up. Oh wait... that is what it is

[@k9leadstheway531]

I've been doing cross fit for a year now.. I talked a lot of crap about it before I started. Fact of the matter is walking into a cross fit box and seeing bad form is no different then people lifting with bad form in a commercial gym. Some boxes get it right and teach things like the strict pull up before any kipping movements. Most boxes I've been too have a "on ramp" class that is 6 weeks long teaching foundational movements. My biggest problem with cross fit is competing. I've done some small local competitions and there is no way to bracket people appropriate for skill level. You have guys that are RX athletes coming down to scaled divisions and destroying everyone only because they know they cant win in RX. Thanks for the video btw.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

K9, Thanks for this interesting comment! Firstly, 6 Week on ramp program? That's insanely long! Most on ramps generally last 2-3 sessions! As for the RX competition issue, I fully agree, a LOT of people who are technically considered 'RX' generally go scaled to crush people and make themselves feel better. I liked how it use to be, one division, no scaled or RX, weights would be standard 60/40 (135lbs/95lbs) if you were a beast, you'd come first.

[@k9leadstheway531]

@@tylerjaehamilton totally agree. I'm a small male 165 lbs 9% body fat. I can do all the cross fit movements but struggle with a lot of the RX weight lifting.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@k9leadstheway531 looks like it's time to get swole k9, double down on those weaknesses 💪

[@k9leadstheway531]

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[@michaelnewton1332]

Looks like...ZEEEERRROOOOOOO!!!!

[@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd]

Have you already make a video about how strong crossfitter are when it comes to endurance and how it's will fuck up their body or is not all CrossFit will end up like them? Good video tho.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Not just yet, it's something I can look into

[@onnol917]

strongmen also fucks you up, same as powerlifting, same as bodybuilding. EVERY sport has it dangers and crossfit is not unique in this.

[@SamuelgoesOceania]

Pure gold mate. Really enjoying these vids! Keep up the good work!

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thank you Samuel, glad you liked it 💪

[@leeramsden3095]

You are comparing oranges to apples. They are totally different to strict. CrossFit say it is efficiency, but by doing butterfly, athletes are not improving on their strict. Strict pull ups have been a measure of strength since time began. And so what winds up the non- CrossFit community is when some skinny kid says yeah, I just done 150 pull ups... and then they can not do 10 strict. That is frustrating. Just be honest with yourselves. You worked out hard (and respect there!). But the work out was zero pull ups and 150 butterfly pulls.

[@clintiacuone1703]

Lee Ramsden of course they’re not improving on there strict pull ups cause they aren’t doing “strict pull ups” when doing butterfly ones😅 I’m hearing what you’re saying but it was just a bit ridiculous how you worded you’re argument cause no one will improve at something by not doing said thing, ALOT of people train strict movements in CrossFit, cause building strict strength and endurance in turn improves endurance for the butterfly/kip pull up, I may not be a high level competitor yet and I can’t speak for all other competitive crossfitters but I train strict gymnastics anywhere from minimum 2-4 times a week

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Butterfly = Competition Strict = Strong I stated this already

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@clintiacuone1703 Yeah Clint! 2-4x a week you beast

[@clintiacuone1703]

Absolute Beast it’s definitely needed! Especially training strict hspu pretty frequently has upped my max kip hspu a lot! I use to see sets of 20-30 at a time in a workout and be frazzled now it’s no hassle at all!

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Nothing's more satisfying then smashing out strict HSPU in a wod. Especially since the open has now incorporated them.

[@coreyduncan1118]

I think the butterfly pull-up is useless if you do crossfit casually, but is useful if you want to compete.

[@ericlismumze9932]

i LOVE this video, i tried to explain pretty much this exact thing to my coach and other crossfitters a bunch of times. the thing that bugs me is when people say its the same thing, strict, kipping, butterfly....they are not the same! people kip and butterfly to do more faster...if you can do more faster then it isn't the same. now that is different than the movement not doing anything for fitness, like you said...its just each one has its place is all. though it is WAYY overused in training especially, and even in competitions there needs to be more strict pull ups. what i always tell people is like you said, military etc. can only do strict, so hero wods should require strict for RX. i even have a little quite i tease friends with... "Micheal Murphy couldn't cheat so why are you?" anyway, great video. thanks.

[@PesasYPlantas]

shoulder shredder

[@pasitenkanen5803]

Still didn't see a pull up!!! Yep, it looks ridiculous!

[@tylerjaehamilton]

🤣

[@jka461]

People who can do 10 unbroken butterfly pull ups can definitely do strict pull ups, one does not exclude the other! No decent box will “allow” practitioners to do kipping or butterfly without training strength/strict. Anyone attempting a first strict pull up will most likely kip in one way or the other, it’s natural.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Unfortunately there are boxes out there that teach butterfly before those prerequisites are met 💀 But you are correct Jeremie

[@AthenaGate]

Had a homie who did crossfit. He could 20 plus butterfly pulls ups. He could barely do 2 regular pills ups. His brother who didnt even work out did more pull ups then he did 😂😂

[@tylerjaehamilton]

@@AthenaGate damn 🤣🤔

[@jadal-ashkar5311]

Great video, as usual. I like that you point out the legitimate purpose of the move, but also how it's a limited use case that shouldn't be applied to everything. To me it's no different than any other sport. If you find something you can do in competition that makes you faster without breaking any rules, hell then go for it. It doesn't mean you'll do all of your training that way, nor should you. I think the 'problem' is that people see XFit competition videos and think everyone does all of their pull-ups that way. You don't see a lot of videos of people doing normal movements which is hopefully the bulk of their workouts.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

For most Elite and high tier CrossFit athletes, they perform strict pull-ups 3 times a week (Ben bergerons 'Comptrain athletes') But your right Jad, it's no different to other sports, it's just from the outside like you said, it seems like CrossFitters only do butterfly 🤣

[@trosclair434genus4]

I don’t mind CrossFit and have actually really wanted to get involved because I want some consistency in my workouts and maybe get jacked down the road. I just can’t get around the kipping thing. Not saying that’s why I haven’t joined yet, I just can’t afford it right now, but man why is a particular workout only valuable in a certain workout setting? Benching is good universally, the pull-ups are good universally, the squat the curl, the ohp, running, dips, so many workouts are universally good. Why does CrossFit have such a centralized view of kipping when it’s admittedly only good for CrossFit. CrossFit jacking up presses and jerks and more volume is great and I love it, I like how intense they take other workouts and give it “the CrossFit treatment” ya know? I just want to know why kipping pull-ups are anything more than an insiders fitness joke. Why is this move defended by so many people gahhhhhhhh!

[@jamesburtch9331]

Fantastic videos! Great to know the history of this movement.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Glad you liked it James 😁

[@tateo52014]

Love this video 👌🏻

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Yeah woggy!

[@Dizzymichaelsyt]

Thank you sir for putting high quality content for all of us.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thank you Michael

[@_hannbee]

Don't have them yet but want them for sure! It's like a skateboarder wanting to get to kick flip 350 somethin somethin 😂 it doesn't have to be relevant outside the sport! Ps. Audio pretty on point with this one, epic job! 👍

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thank you Hannah, just for you 🎩

[@lucataglialatela7471]

You rock 🤙👊🏻

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Thank you

[@tombooze74]

It looks like some is doing everything they can in an effort to do a pull up

[@tylerjaehamilton]

Yup

[@darekwsiok5978]

I have never seen proffesional gymnast doing or reccomending this kipping pull ups. I only know that they do gymnastic muscle ups where they keep straight lines without any stupid arch like this in crossfit. I wanted to cry when i saw your hs pushups. Gymnastic is not popular because people cant imagine how hard gymmast skills are (for ex rings routine) , people cant distinguish skills difficulty or notice perfect form. Otherwise in crossfit where more is better and for every amateur it is easy to understand.

[@tylerjaehamilton]

It was developed by gymnastic coaches for beginner gymnasts to get more volume (because they can't do the required Strict Pull-ups) But darek my friend, you wait for the Kipping Handstand video, it will be a treat 🤣

[@darekwsiok5978]

Oh okay. That makes sense. I am looking forward for new video🤣

[@tds7143]

We tend to call it the fish-up.

[@coathcresva4984]

Nothing but strict

[@chiragmoily5802]

........ Pull UP ^ ....... Say it Slowlyyyyyy

[@isaacmontgomery5348]

I think that people who hate on CrossFit...I honestly think their jealous. Seriously. Most ppl can’t do what CrossFit athletes do. Handstand push-ups. Clean and jerk over 300lbs. Sets of pull-ups at 15reps. Snatch over 250..300lbs. And I have yet to see ONE CrossFit woman who HASN’T made me do a double take. Just sayin...

[@dustinodunne3572]

Looks like a seizure

[@tylerjaehamilton]

🤣

[@mironfurman7900]

What kind of pull up are this? 🤣🤣😂

[@lindyhoppingfool]

Shit is what it looks like.

[@pointandlaugh6619]

A strict pull up is chest to bar, what was demonstrated here is far from that.

[@MrShadyboyajian]

It looks stupid