CrossFit Suppresses D0PING Speculation

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[@zacktelander]

My editor put a picture of Don Frye next to Connor and I stupidly let it slide. However the message I'm saying I will stand by. When comparing the body's of old UFC fighters to now (sometimes even the same guy like allistair overeem) there is a stark difference.

[@95VR407FA5]

Overeem was eating horse meat in pride. He was ubereem. But conor and Don Frye is a terrible comparison

[@dickwellington8578]

*laughs in Paulo Costa

[@Cody.Tafoya]

Ubereem

[@NoobChalanda]

i think the best exaples are ppl pre and post usada like overeem and vitor belfort

[@addisonurbalejo]

I don't think it's that bad of a comparison, Don Frye was built like a terminator even after he retired from competitive fighting. He used to roll occasionally in the wrestling room of my high school, and I was always in awe at how he managed to make even our linemen look like a puny shrimp (including myself, weighing 115kg at 6'1 at the time). I've competed in football, powerlifting, weightlifting, and strongman and have seen some real freaks of nature, but Frye still stands out in my mind as someone who was unnaturally large and powerful-looking.

[@Tee468]

More defined legs than most bodybuilders at 10 years old? Uhh what

[@zacktelander]

Yeah this was the weirdest sentence by far

[@traaaaan]

Did she slow pitch 70 mph too?

[@boriente]

I mean, she clearly just forgot to use commas.. that’s definitely a list of things.

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Aka I Do Anavar 5mg before my workouts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@uhsemehicieronlas3]

it's all genetics bro

[@aidanivesdavis]

Saying that your legs were "more defined than most pro bodybuilders" when you were TEN is not the best way to establish your credibility........

[@ManicMindTrick]

If that was true it would be the sickest genetic freak of all time. Some kind of double muscle, Belgian Blue girl. Somehow I doubt it.

[@HkFinn83]

@@ManicMindTrick her legs are nothing like a pro bodybuilders now. Did they shrink since she was ten? Or was she just trying to diss bodybuilders legs? That comment made no sense to me, not really even sure what she was trying to say

[@a.brucemcdonald9038]

😂 yup

[@66reeves]

It establishes you as a compulsive liar!

[@Billybob-yv1pm]

I feel like Mike O’Hearn would get along beautifully with the CrossFit community.

[@zg4705]

O'Hearn went to my high school. He's one of the five "noteable alumni." Considering how shit the school is, there is substantial evidence to your claim.

[@hittman1412]

Mike O'Tren

[@mattpeters6224]

Clever

[@josephphillips3985]

😂

[@broggsey]

He’d have to admit to doing cardio

[@churchhistorydude]

Hearing these athletes saying "just work harder" reminds me of when politicians and CEOs shit on poor people for being lazy

[@misterman6369]

@Jo Jo WOOSH!

[@Shvabicu]

We can't be as jacked as them because of our avocado on toast 😫

[@justingreek6428]

I mean, they basically say the same stuff. Wake up at 2 am every. Live off of barely anything. Buy my book for more useless advice.

[@michaelmisczuk1188]

I've never heard of a CEO dumping on poor people. Some of them grew up poor.

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

Funny thing is if you want to recover properly from doing insane amounts of work, you'll need PEDs eventually

[@adamb5142]

Ah yes, The "im more jacked than most men going to the gym" natural

[@khalilmuhammad6823]

@@GetOverIt75 Ah yes, The "im a WOMAN more jacked than most men going to the gym" natural. FIFY

[@damionjackson1743]

It’s a bit much but a lot of those women in professional CrossFit are hot.

[@rythmikeffect]

😂😂😂😂👏🏾

[@billybinton6834]

@@damionjackson1743 You write "It’s a bit much but a lot of those women in professional CrossFit are hot."

[@damionjackson1743]

@@billybinton6834 In a Amazon fetish type of way I’d pick Brooke wells, I’d date brook ence, and that Katrin woman from Iceland but I’m more into powerlifting though.

[@awmlawoffice]

If you legitimately believe that top level Crossfit athletes, at least those competing at the Games, aren't using PEDs you need a guardian and conservator.

[@MrClassicmetal]

They have baritone voices...

[@likainenerkki7047]

Sadly most people are incredibly naive. They just want to believe in "clean" athletes so much. Fact is that 99,9% of top athletes are on PEDs, but if you say that you're called a hater. Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against PEDs. Who the hell would watch some average joe athletes anyway, but stop bullshitting people. I mean most people think someone like The Rock is 100% natural. That's just funny.

[@benjamingroves1703]

@@likainenerkki7047 Obviously certain people have used, The Rock is a good example. But what do you expect the upper limit of human strength and endurance is. How low would that clean number need to be to seem legit?

[@ManicMindTrick]

Never underestimate the power of wishful thinking. People get very triggered if you bring up the obvious. I almost lost a friendship over debating whether Usain Bolt is clean or not. Tread carefully when bringing up other people's favorite athletes being dopers because the denial goes deep and being "insensitive" to their denial can cost you more than you bargained for.

[@awmlawoffice]

@@ManicMindTrick OMG, I know. It's as if not liking that something is true is justification for doubt. People can do incredible things and there are extreme outliers in all walks of life, but when you see athletes that are, admittedly, outliers make marked improvements or take close to a second off their time after years of competing, like some very famous sprinters, you have to admit that the evidence suggests something is screwy. Is it impossible, probably not. Is it highly improbable, hell yes.

[@doloman77]

This is my first time witnessing Derek being summoned

[@Michael-cb5nm]

This made me laugh..hilarious low key comment here…

[@davidkymdell452]

I literally felt him standing behind me when I heard his name.

[@AkimboHunter]

Death Star delts incoming 👀

[@BrianDegennaro08]

moreplatesmoredatesmoreplatesmoredatesmoreplatesmoredates

[@mastervaderm16]

thats no moon

[@djones3291]

As a Crossfitter myself the part I find strangest and most suspicious is that CrossFit HQ seems to absolutely love perpetuating the idea that all our athletes are 100% natural. It hardly comes across as impartial or professional behaviour from the same organisation that is in charge of testing... I love the sport but the idea that all these guys are clean and it's all "hard work" is ridiculous and childish.

[@helphowdoinputusername3571]

They clean but they aren't clean.

[@BernhardKohli]

They keep popping more and more people. Don't you think a whistleblower would have taken any data suppression public in the last ten years? Have you listened to interviews with Eric Roza? Not the type of person to condone cheating.

[@djones3291]

@@BernhardKohli I’m not saying that they are actively suppressing positive tests or protective athletes who are using PEDS. All I’m saying is sharing posts like Vicky caruso’s hardly makes them look impartial/responsible. Same way that the way Dave Castro is presented as some sort of vince McMahon figure just takes away from the credibility too.

[@MrClassicmetal]

They have an ambitious PR department.😁

[@darryledxavier6392]

@@BernhardKohli most sports don't condone cheating but when money is involved people let alot of things slide

[@robschilke]

What's more sus? 280lbs clean at single digit body fat as a female or CrossFit deleting Ian's comment?

[@ManicMindTrick]

Def the 280 clean and single-digit BF is more suspect. I could imagine an organization deleting such posts if they are false just to avoid bad publicity just as much as if they are true. Of course, they didn't think of the Streisand effect.

[@notimportant3686]

the abs... the gross and completely unnatural looking abs

[@notimportant3686]

@anonymous you misunderstand... im saying HOW those abs are is unnatural... a person can have BETTER abs than her but natural looking, her midsection is very obviously the result of chemistry... i'm not at all saying that her abs are great, just that they are a very obvious indicator of steroid abuse... they look like shit in my book by the way

[@robschilke]

@@notimportant3686 Actually, I'd wager to say that's more attributed to MANY reps of GHD sit ups.

[@slimigan]

@anonymous Iceland, but whatever

[@JohnDoe-td7mu]

I'd like to see an intro with all of Shi's "WO CAO!!!!!!" screems!!!

[@Maurice_H_Rivers]

I agree.

[@J3susChrist]

yes

[@churn_diesel]

Potty mouths. All of you.

[@bouttobreak12]

Yes

[@boronguy]

Ten hour long intro

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

Crossfit has always been a corrupt sport. It's all about the money, they need their star athletes to have a squeaky clean image whilst making massive lifts. It's to keep the average Janes and Joe's coming to their CrossFit gyms and paying their fees. "If you train hard enough you could be like one of the poster children at the games". It's completely disingenuous.

[@neosporin5608]

yeah i don't have a problem about doping, but I do have a problem with people going on about hiding it and showing how "natural" they are

[@blammela]

The thing I don’t get is that these people are still way more dedicated than the average Joe and could do impressive athletic feet’s unassisted….they would still be at a level average joe could never attain. Average joe doesn’t know any better. It’s a crazy push from the inside if the org to push it this far.

[@xdman20005]

@@blammela its prisoners dilemma basically. Say all but one initially is clean, then ONE guy dopes. Slowly but surely everyone need to dope to keep up with him or her then the vicious cycle has started

[@challyrt2010]

Everything is about the money. Whether you go to a crossfit gym or a golds gym. They advertise their stars so that you want to achieve the look in their gym. You're not going to look like an Olympia competitor by spending a good hour doing curls. Same applies to someone who only does a class a day at an affiliate for crossfit. People pay to chase the look but most won't go the extensive lengths to reach elite levels. Whatever they may be

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

@@challyrt2010 the thing about Mr Olympia is that they're not lying about their PED usage 🤷‍♂️

[@TheSuperLegoMan100]

All the top CrossFit athletes look suuuuper juiced, men and women. They also have super rectangular blocky physiques for some reason

[@seanclarke6733]

I think the blocky physiques are attributed to the Kipping movements and the strain on the core

[@seanclarke6733]

But also, yeah juicing for the top guys and gals

[@carloscruz2582]

Not saying they are not juiced but the shape comes from having a (very) strong core being an absolute must for them

[@schildster]

Separating “selection effect” from “training effect” is extremely difficult but selection effects alone can account for similar body types at the ‘elite’ levels. CrossFit is of course pulling for the training effect explanation because if you attend an affiliate enough then you can affect these results as well, so they would ideally have everyone believe. Lest we forget that none of them can run faster than the best high school athletes.

[@seanclarke6733]

@@schildster in regular CrossFit affiliates you aren’t always being pushed to be elite or it’s not even a goal for most people there. The main vibe you get from a CrossFit affiliate is to just stay fit and socialise with people. That’s why its getting more and more popular. The CrossFit games is just an event

[@seanm3933]

Zack you are spot on. Crossfit is all about recovery. The workouts are brutal. Multiple workouts everyday are multiple times brutal. Too many people do not understand the recovery aspect.

[@CentralFloridaBowHunting]

Annnd what speeds up recovery? Anabolic steroids.

[@seanm3933]

Exactly. Also good sleep, ice baths, proper nutrition...all things I'm sure the top athletes do in most sports that require you to be strong and in shape.

[@17sapun]

EPO = resolved

[@Dionisis_Pan]

" I don't think steroids would help you that much in CrossFit" -Rich Froning

[@timothyvonvictory7105]

awesome point. i was trying to explain this to some one the other day and he just wasn't getting it. the body must recover. peds obviously help with that quite a lot. so when you see some one developing a monstrous physique who trains with incredibly high volume... you know what's up lol

[@danielfitzpatrick3543]

There’s zero doubt in my mind that she’s enhanced. Along with the majority of CrossFit athletes.

[@User-gs1dk]

Here's a simple rough metric for determining if a female is juicing: Go look at pictures of the greatest MALE athletes/body builders BEFORE human anabolic steroids existed. The fact that this woman has a body that is more developed/shredded than almost any male her size that ever existed pre anabolic steroids puts her into the "I'm insanely delusional/pathological liar" level of gear use. The thing is I'd be totally fine with it...just don't freaking lie. If your life goal is to clean 400lbs as a woman no matter how much gear it takes to get there then go for it. It's your life.

[@BernhardKohli]

You probably think all people are righthanded too. After all that's the biological norm...Innocent until proven guilty.

[@User-gs1dk]

@@BernhardKohli 1. Biological norm? Did you even read? I'm giving her the huge benefit of the doubt that she's a biological freak which is specifically why I told you to go look at other biological MALE freaks in the pre steroid era. She wouldn't simply be the largest female outlier to have ever existed....she would surpass nearly all MALES, including the genetic freaks, who have ever existed at that body weight. 2. We're not in a court of law and I'm not deciding nor advocating for her criminal conviction lol. I'm using basic deduction. That's part of the normal reasoning process and part of how you determine if something is more likely to be true or not.

[@juliawilliams1355]

I dont think that entirely fair because the talent pool is larger so it will produce more outliers overall and training and nutrition methodology has improved.

[@bobnoneya1267]

@@juliawilliams1355 sure nutrition and training has improved but not enough to make a woman more muscular and defined than a man c'mon now, it wasn't like the guys in the 20's 30s and 40s trained like complete idiots you can look up how a lot of them trained at the time and it's not massively different than today, there are limits to natural biology and this woman has clearly surpassed them.

[@juliawilliams1355]

@@bobnoneya1267 strongly disagree, exercises like the bench press weren't even invented back then and they knew a lot less about the science of hypertrophy than they do now. If you think scientific knowledge doesn't matter you have no idea what you're talking about. I see men nad women who I know for a fact are natural looking bigger than a lot of the famous strong men and women from the early days

[@amorfati4927]

One of the coaches at the box I go to and I have talked about this a lot. He’s a really good athlete (multiple times regionals or what ever they call it when they keep changing it). Is completely natty and was kind of living in denial-land for a long while about CrossFit. His reality really crashed down on him (which I’ve been trying to tell explain to him for awhile) when at the end of the open maybe 3-4 years he was in the top 20. He went to the regional there which only had maybe 3 notable names at that regional. He was beat to shit like always by the end and ended up in the bottom 1/4 of the regional. Consistently one of the best at all the open workouts when it was a week in between (but you can try it multiple times) but when it comes to that engine (which he has a very strong engine) grind with 4+ usually brutal workouts per day he was getting beat by all sorts of people. PEDs do miracles as for most anyone working from some kind of foundation.

[@thestoebz]

Just went through her Instagram. Howling with laughter at her responses to gear accusations and people defending her. It's fucking *OBVIOUS* she's on gear, but she chooses to go public and try to straight up lie about it. Yikes.

[@notundermywatch3163]

If you lie about something often enough you start believing it. I think that´s the point she has reached.

[@Vladimyrful]

They're somehow, mysteriously all sporting the GH gut.

[@mikeCD62]

Thats hypertrophy of the muscles of the core. If you look at lean, explosive athletes who focus on full body performance, you'll see thick cores everywhere. Bodybuilders dont train their core nearly as much, and when they do, they tend to avoid the quadratus lumborum and internal obliques to keep their waist small. Obviously this hypertrophy is made more extreme by steroids, but its a different mechanism than bubble gut

[@Vladimyrful]

@@mikeCD62 Bodybuilders are a prime example of a portruding bubble gut (Ronnie, Kai Green), the condition was originally named after one of them (Palumboism). And if you're referring to the golder era bodybuilders, that's also not the case - Arnold famously said how they did 400 roman chair abs every workout.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

@@Vladimyrful Even a lot of the classic guys today dont have that issue. Bumstead is enormous and his stomach doesn't look like that.

[@joys8634]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kf because hgh. Bumstead is not on hgh

[@deathlis]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kf Look at strongmen. Big ol' bellies. Because they need tremendous core strength to do log lifts, airplane pulls, yoke carries, etc. They eat a crapton too and have some belly fat, but you see them lift shirtless and that enormous muscle is clearly visible around the gut. Hell I've cycled from steady heavy workouts to jogging only 7-8 times now in my life over the past 15 years, and I regularly go up/down 2-3 inches in waist size.

[@BezimiennyMarcel]

Yeah just naturally having more defined legs than most bodybuilders lmao it's almost as bullshit as that "I used to bench 315 in high school" brag.

[@terrancat]

I think mine was 155 for reps. Didn't really know what a 1RM for a few more years.

[@roscoerascon5248]

Some of the lineman I played with benched over 315 though lol

[@dylansevitt]

What?? Haha I bench 315 in high school. Iain Valliere was benching 500 lbs at 19.

[@MrClassicmetal]

@@roscoerascon5248 Yeah, and that just proves his point. Those linemen could do it, the strongest kids in school. It wasn't the norm. And those same guys can probably bench press a lot more in later years, and they normally aren't the ones "bragging" about what they could supposedly do in high school.

[@roscoerascon5248]

@@MrClassicmetal I saw our nose guard named cole Shelton bench 405 for reps. Dude was a freak.

[@Flyingsquirrel69420]

More defined legs at 10 years old than male bodybuilders....delusional.

[@coachcoopfitness]

Yeah, thats how you know anything after that is straight bullshit lol

[@terminaldeity]

Nah, she knows she's lying

[@tjcogger1974]

To be fair, she never said male bodybuilders. I assume she meant female bodybuilders.

[@Mister_Vintage]

Bruh....she even has the early stages of bubble gut. She has to be blasting some serious weekly volume...this isn't a figure competitor on a little Anavar. Edit: As her internet doctor, I would advise her to get her insulin levels under control before she blows out her midsection and gives herself serious organ problems.

[@BaldOmniMan]

*Clarence looms with a sigma stare over this video*

[@EC___]

Omniman did nothing wrong

[@egall2750]

"No."

[@posterchild8486]

Every athlete is suspect. Either test all the podium finishers or forget about it altogether.

[@fusiongains]

they do test all the podium finishers. At the semi finals, and the games. What Zach is saying is that even if those people pop, Crossfit can hide the results.

[@danielsundstrom8312]

Guilty until proven innocent, that's abit in reverse right?

[@GabrielAKAFinn]

@@danielsundstrom8312 Since PEDs should be legal anyways, it's only "guilty" because of retarded law. But being outraged like you have natty pride is also retarded.

[@seanvaligura6115]

Actually...test EVERRYONE at the games. Period. Test them throughout the year, randomly and without notice. problem solved.

[@fusiongains]

@@seanvaligura6115 the problem isn't the testing. You can test everyone, but the issue is Crossfit is it's own governing body. Meaning USADA or anyone else aren't the ones releasing the results or levying the sanctions. It's Crossfit's decision what they do with the test results.

[@andymullins8197]

I was literally just talking about this in the gym with the exact same points. Nail on the head Zack love ya!!

[@robertbucks5537]

Tia-Claire said in a recent vid that sometimes she trains 8-10 hours in one day. That's with doing 2-a-days throughout the whole week. I would like to think it's a build up of conditioning over the years to be able to train so much but it's also a little suss.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

@@robertbucks5537 Conditioning doesn't help with CNS fatigue, at least not to that extent. If you're training 8 hours per day, multiple times a week, and not getting sick and weaker, you're on the special sauce.

[@robertbucks5537]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kf Damn, true. I didn't think about CNS fatigue.

[@jamesbosnich5950]

Ricky Garard's 4 year ban ends very soon, and so there has been a lot of talk surrounding his return and PEDs in CrossFit. He recently went on the official CrossFit Games podcast, and I commented something similar to what you have said here on that post - and my god there are so many people who truly believe that he is the only one who has ever taken gear at the top level.

[@EndeavorLSMedia]

At the start of his ban he mentioned seeing other athletes use...funny how that sentiment hasn't resurfaced.

[@juliawilliams1355]

He probably takes or took way less than other people he was competing against. I unfollowed a lot of top crossfitters because of how they were virtue signaling on his page when they were clearly on more than him.

[@jamesbosnich5950]

@@EndeavorLSMedia he mentioned that in his podcast and his response was… odd. Basically that he saw someone chewing tobacco (which is not that common in australia) right before a drug test, and he thought that was suspicious. Rickys not the sharpest tool in the shed, but im still sceptical on whether thats what he actually saw/knew.

[@ManicMindTrick]

@@juliawilliams1355 Care to mention any names of the people virtue signaling?

[@juliawilliams1355]

@@ManicMindTrick It was 4 years ago, and I unfollowed them and don't follow crossfit so I dont remember all of them, but Matt Frasier was definitely one.

[@matthewneufeld8153]

Really excellent commentary. I always appreciate your ability to distill it down to an important issue like the legitimacy of the competitive body that is crossfit, without getting dragged down into the drama and attacking individuals.

[@MuJoNeSs]

Thank you so much for your honesty about the subject of matter. It's a shame that this comment was deleated by CF HQ. Just shows what they are trying to cover, for the general audience. Thanks ZT.

[@arimendelson8875]

Two word phrase that explains why I suspect PEDs unless proven otherwise: "Prisoner's Dilemma."

[@damicapra94]

"If i'm not taking PEDs i'm at a disadvantage wether my opponents also uses it or not"

[@SKOOKM]

Good comparison. They can't stand the thought that others might dope and get ahead of them, and don't trust that they won't, so they dope themselves.

[@tjcogger1974]

They should either regulate their athletes with USDA or openly allow their athletes to take anything and everything. I think the latter is much more fun.

[@tjcogger1974]

@@iangraham-white5717 which athletes snapped themselves up?

[@honestindomitus1342]

The amazing part of this is that the USDA is the US Dept of Agriculture which, ostensibly, regulates how roided up your beef and chicken is. USADA is the US Anti Doping Agency.

[@tjcogger1974]

@@honestindomitus1342 lol. I realize that, thanks.

[@jorgeinsa6926]

Zack, all your videos, all-of-them, are gems. There is no one out there saying what you say, and how you say. Congrats!

[@Stevelangdon93]

Remember in one of the fittest on Earth’s when they used the new guy as a scapegoat and kicked him out for ‘PEDs’? They’ve all got 3D delts, low BF year round, and train multiple times per day in countless disciplines. It’s absolutely ridiculous that any of them claim natty, let alone the entire sport

[@shaunigothictv1003]

Excellent point Steve

[@michaelsenft3608]

You are, as always, very thoughtful. Son of a renowned journalist, you channel truth and the ability to express it in a balanced way.

[@zacktelander]

This is one of the best compliments I have ever received

[@michaelsenft3608]

You earn it with every post. Keep up the great work, as you chronicle the journey you are on. I am a subscriber to your Patreon as well, as your programming reflects the same thoughtfulness.

[@emmettmoore1804]

grizzly screaming would be a golden intro 😂

[@MountainMace]

Love the dog hair all over your hat here m8, really adds to content quality.

[@calebross3790]

Derrick….. you have been summoned. Do your great work sir.

[@andregauthier9484]

Ah yes the classic ''TMNT natty crossfit gut'' my fave

[@CeroAshura]

I'm 100% certain elite CrossFitters are doing full cycles and even the lowest are doing some form of GH. I mean they need joint recovery with minimal impact on blood pressure so makes sense.

[@kenmei18]

HGH gut is rampant, especially obvious with the females.

[@shaunigothictv1003]

@@CeroAshura Agreed.

[@Vladimyrful]

I mean, have you seen "hOw hArD tHeY tRaIn bro?"

[@eaglessixersfankeepingitre3247]

Aye Zack, I’m new to your KZbin vlog and I appreciate your insight, and perspective.

[@Faceonthewall]

As a person who loves crossfit, does functional fitness etc I 100% agree that it needs to be much more rigorous and open. Just look at JRE's interview with Matt F. Matt was very critical on how lax it was. The sooner it goes to something like USADA the better for all.

[@Twoltr]

This is my favorite controversial topic. Steroids in the CrossFit community.

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

Let's be real, it's only controversial if you're a few wrenches short of a toolbox.

[@thestoebz]

Not really controversial

[@jasondreams202]

Great topic Zach... commenting for algorithm. Look forward to Derek’s breakdown... I know som people who compete in the sport. I remember when we used to look the same, even though my training has been consistent for years they easily have 20+ lbs on me.. seems suspicious but no one ever talks

[@Bret_Frost]

Keep up the fire content Z!!

[@gordongekko4928]

Great Video Zack! To anyone who has ever trained for a sport on a competitive level, it is so obvious, that beieng shredded as fuck and lifting crazy weights, doing immense amounts of work is simply not possible.

[@jabberwock14]

Crossfit had more momentum and more popularity than any sport ever, especially when you factor in how new the sport was. Even in its infancy it was extremely popular. And they quickly ran themselves into the ground, making a joke of themselves.

[@ianAEF]

Crossfit is now owned by NoBull. Their main athletes are Brooke Wells, Katrin Tanja and Tia Toomey. There’s no way they’ll be legit on drug testing when their main stars are brick house ninja turtles.

[@robschilke]

Owned ≠ Title sponsor for the games.

[@mattcomchoc2957]

@@robschilke pretty sure it was meant figuratively.

[@gickygackers]

@@robschilke same implication

[@seanfitz]

Your "brick house ninja turtles" really made me "lol" thats exactly how that lady looks lmao!

[@FreakMeat74]

@@seanfitz Lolol it's so true

[@joshuaroy7]

Great video Zach. I’ve done various competitive cf programs and just amazed at the output week in week out that was expected. I’m lucky to put together 4 full workouts in a week, and by the deload week I need more like a deload month.

[@TheMrgoldbar]

I'm behind by like 2 weeks... the algorithm hasn't been serving me your new stuff🤦🏿

[@joe718gt4]

PRIDE... when smoking Mary Jane was more offensive than being sauced to the gills

[@dickwellington8578]

Pride never dies

[@User-gs1dk]

Old school Pride is like what you would get if a 12 year old designed a fighting tournament and it will never be surpassed because of that reason. Strength potions to max stats? Of course. Yakuza bad guys? Cool. Yelling announcer? Yep. Anime match ups? All of them. Wrestling flop matches? Spicy. But weed? Scruff McGruff coming for you son.

[@fighterx4133]

That was just the one pride USA show. They didnt test for anything in Japan

[@Wayf4rer]

I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked.

[@waltermorris337]

Glad I found your page………interesting and well thought out stuff

[@tuckerstv4898]

I absolutely love your contact zack and feel you touch on topics no one else will, much appreciated. Just bust out the lint brush and clean the car hair off your hat for the next video…lol JP man. Keep the great content coming

[@ericpele9969]

Bruh,,, dust your hat off homie🤣🤣 all joking aside keep up the great content👊

[@AE-ix2iz]

Sole you the fighter/tattooist?

[@ericpele9969]

Both🤙🤙

[@AE-ix2iz]

@@ericpele9969 Yessah. Looks like you don’t really post your work on KZbin much. Subbed anyway. Manuia 🤙🏽

[@axezazel]

Lol ok chicken rice cauliflower foh

[@sethketer1831]

Intro of Zac cleaning toilet paper seems dope😁😁

[@kuhenelan]

Zack great video, but what was the thought process with the server room background?

[@Franklinguy759]

Former natural body builder here. In the late 80’s i was competitive. Contest weight was 172 at 5% body fat. That was good enough to qualify for nationals. Local shows that were not natural you weren’t competitive unless you were 230 at 4%. Staying natural was a difficult decision but i was so glad i did. What is overlooked is is the emotional crash that the PED users go through when they finally quit and there sculpted body goes away and there strength is reduced by 50% or more. They look themselves in the mirror and realize the body and strength they had was completely synthetic and was a result of the drugs and not “Great Training”

[@christomlinson6068]

Similar intro but auto tune Shi Zhiyong's “aaaaaahhh” to the Mario theme

[@hansschwartz1480]

Great video Zack. What do you think about drug use in the ipf? Some top lifters such as Russell orhi, Taylor Atwood and I think Ray Williams have claimed they are lifetime natural competitors and have never touched steroids before.

[@xgamermudkip7154]

I absolutely love hearing the work harder argument while sitting in the hole of a front squat about to black out from fatigue 😩

[@davidkymdell452]

Lol, love how that dude with the stripey pants in the UFC section clip is beating the crap out of the other guy, to the point where he looks at the ref with the face of, "when the hell are you gonna stop this fight bro!?"

[@onguad]

Similar format but instead use I Touch Myself by Divinyls with Lasha’s thigh slapping and klokov actually humping the barbell put on beat to it with male Chinese lifters being Adonis being put in as filler

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

Gear is the most normal thing in lifting period. Idgaf what anybody says.

[@joys8634]

Wish I had access. these guys always claim they are the best because genetics, but I would love to test that out.

[@Fillegubben]

@@joys8634 they are the best because of genetics, because everyone else juices too. Also you do have access if you know how to google

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

​@@joys8634 It's both. When everyone in a sport is on gear, the genetically gifted and hardest working still rise to the top - strongman, bodybuilding, etc, nobody with average genetics is winning just because they're on more gear. It just sucks for those few that aren't doing it and actually believe they're on a fair playing field. Also, trust me, unless you need it for medical reason, it ain't worth it. TRT is a pain in the ass, and you're stuck with it. If they ever come out with a more convenient way of doing it, it'd be awesome.

[@DOAN1000]

@@JohnSmith-yx8kf is TRT muscle loyal after you stop it ? Also what do you mean by pain in the ass ? Genuine question

[@JohnSmith-yx8kf]

DOAN1000 - You don’t stop TRT, that’s part of the ‘pain in the ass’ part of it. My situation: I was depressed and lacking energy when I was in my early 20s, no facial hair, etc. Went to the docs, T came back as the levels of a 65yo, along with under-active thyroid. After TRT my levels are now ~750ng/dl, which is on the higher side of average for my age, but it also won’t go down as I get older. As far as actual gym performance - more energy, can workout for longer, and if I have a break I lose muscle much slower. But you gotta remember this is in comparison to me having low-T before, so this is very likely what ‘normal’ feels like to you or anyone else who doesn’t need it. Just in terms of numbers, the chances that someone completely natural I meet in the street has higher T than I do are actually relatively high, so vs the general healthy population I’m not at some huge advantage, but this’ll change as I get into my late 30s and beyond. Why it’s a pain: there’s no real easy way of doing it. I inject once per week. If I wanna go on vacation or something, I gotta take this into account. It’s also not great for your actual muscles to be injecting them over and over - scar tissue buildup is a thing and you need to take active measures to minimize it otherwise you’re gonna regret it. You can do subcutaneous injections to avoid this but these aren’t very common at the moment and from what I’ve seen you need to do them daily, which isn’t something I’m interested in. And why I bring this up on a discussion about PEDs, is that if you do more than 1-2 cycles (which you will if you’re committing to take your sport to ‘that’ level), you’ll have permanently damaged your natural production and will be on TRT forever after you stop cycling. So yeah, unless your career is realistically on the line, don’t bother.

[@thomastyger6506]

Great video! 👍 i love you zack

[@HM-qe9pd]

Great video Zack, but never underestimate that your crossfit friends could also be saucing. Most people wouldnt even tell their partner they are saucing

[@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw]

I remember when they suspended Ricky Gerard as if he is the only uses. Then every athlete crapping on him aren’t natural either. Like Matt F. Edit: if you’re close with say Dave Castro or higher ups , they’ll let you slide.

[@Edthewebsurfer]

Wrong, Mat just called him a bitch, because instead of owning his mistake he tried to throw other athletes including Mat under the bus with no proof.

[@jamesmichael7448]

Mat F is not close with Castro.

[@ThePirateburke86]

Mat and Dave do not get along at all.

[@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw]

I didn’t say Matt and Dave are friends. I knew Matt doesn’t like Dave

[@NorthsideChamps16]

Garard was tested and popped. The others didn't. Case closed

[@seanpatrick3429]

Zach, you’re always science based. Any science around not hitting high weights at lower percentage body fat? Seems like lean muscle mass would help hit a heavy lift at any given body weight.

[@jerel8848]

Really appreciate your opinion! Thanks for sharing! 😊

[@andyg9991]

Ricky was definitely a sacrificial lamb to make Crossfit look like they took PED use seriously. If CF really takes PED use seriously , they would have WADA run the testing. Looking forward to Ricky coming back this year and kicking ass

[@bethbacon6552]

I genuinely think they just don't disclose their golden children. I think they claim to test them or actually DO test them, but then just don't publish/lie about the results.

[@specter_0327]

Zack can you do a video on Eric bugenhagen maybe looking at his old videos.

[@shifty220]

That intro was 🔥🔥🔥

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Lol. No so much coping. Yeah. Drugs. Really good video, thanks for putting this out there.

[@Simon-zu2rb]

Zack needs to get a boom arm...

[@yujiinagaki]

I'll buy him one. Where you at, Zack?

[@JuggoJuggo]

@@_Zane__ When he is not making videos he makes believe he is a 70's lounge lizard.

[@xinsanedefeatx]

Zack: USADA is better than the alternative **Clarence has entered the chat**

[@Minsang1st]

Lol

[@nicke2307]

Im so glad you brought this topic up. Theres no doubt theres steroid use in crossfit even amongst the elite and the fact that it is all hush hush is why I dont try to compete. Years ago I started crossfit at 30 years old and in the beginning when crossfit wasnt that big of a sport I could compare myself to some of the elite athletes but after the big money purse all of a sudden things changed. I tried to keep up naturally and it wasnt happening. my body started breaking down so I stopped trying to be at that level. then all of a sudden athletes whose names I wont mention all of a suddent started getting stronger and stronger and at a fast pace.

[@nicke2307]

i think chris spealer is one of the only original athletes that was all natty. Around when he retired was around the use became rampant. I bet he knew he couldnt keep up with the athletes on gear

[@samkessler1111]

Yes! I randomly saw Caruso on Instagram and thought there is no way! She’s lesser known than other fitters and I couldn’t find anyone really talking about her doping.

[@backpulse]

The golden rule about PED's = Deny, deny deny and then even when you are caught keep denying.

[@gerhardkruger6441]

CrossFit: we are going to take Coke Cola to court for the excessive amount of sugar in their drinks. Also CrossFit: (athletes pump their bodies with hormones) nah, we'll let this one slide...

[@jacobwhitus3715]

Did they do that?! Suing Coke I mean.

[@brandoncyoung]

And they had monster energy drink as a sponsor at the games....

[@RodrigoGarciactg]

Relly well put-together video man! I personally like seeing all the super jacked and strong athletes. Makes it super entertaining so who cares if they use steroids...( I do think it isn't fair though to the natural athletes if any lol so they should ramp up their testing procedures if they want to appeal more to the masses)

[@Pshpshpshpshpshpshpsh]

That was in fact the best intro ever

[@tiebeetroottk8501]

Anavar is a girls best friend. Get some LOL

[@joerapo]

If you had the goal of designing a sport from scratch for the purpose of selling PEDs you'd have a hard time doing better than CrossFit. Look at how dirty cycling and Olympic weightlifting are. At least in those sports it's easier to have a genetic outlier. We've all known an endurance freak or someone with insane type 2 fibers. But those two sports still are full of doping. You expect me to believe a sport that consists of both endurance and explosiveness to he clean? An crossfit athlete that is highly explosive but struggles with endurance would be highly motivated to use something like EPO or cardarine. The reverse is true for a CrossFit athlete coming from an endurance background.

[@Outdoorliving74]

Yeah and they expect us to believe only 1 person has ever been tested positive and it was Ricky.

[@shaunigothictv1003]

@@Outdoorliving74 Agreed Nathan.

[@ClericalConsequences]

I can’t stop staring at the cat hair all over your hat, bro.

[@nikolainavarro6558]

Haha the intro was great!

[@badboyz022]

Free Fat Mass Index... it tells the story. She’s bordering on single digit body fat percentage, 160lbs and 5’6 according to CrossFit’s own website and that puts her at an FFMI of 24. The absolute top end range for elite natural female strength athletes is 19-22, and anything above that is either an absolute unicorn of genetics or highly suspect of steroid usage.

[@xdman20005]

Yeah her definition and vascularity+the weights lifted+the fanatic religious bs talk of "i work hard" proves it beyond any doubt

[@badboyz022]

@@xdman20005 vascularity can be genetic and her strength level could be had naturally but... the sheer amount of muscle mass at that body fat percentage naturally is suspect.

[@xdman20005]

@@badboyz022 The factors in combination are what makes it so obvious

[@gojumanny]

I'm all for hard work and those athletes are putting in work. That said I'm sure there's drugs involved WHENEVER big money is involved. I for one am not buying a 280 lb clean, which she did rather easily I might add without help.

[@jooot_6850]

While having absolutely sculpted abs too, I may add.

[@craigjohnson9605]

What dog do you have, Zack? Can see his/her fur on your cap lol just reminded me of my German shepherd

[@gunsrlove]

I appreciate more people talking about drugs in Crossfit, for a while now I've been wondering why no one is talking about these chicks being trenned off their mind.

[@johnd5619]

fuck yeah, this topic needs more attention.

[@chrinarai]

I feel like they have sauced so long and had everyone around them juice so hard they don't even think about it the same way as normal people do.

[@Rocket4ce]

Luv the intro!

[@80Demitri]

I'm 42 and have been lifting since 14. I have teamed up with many people men and women and I can tell you that this girl is on something......period!

[@stefanstefanov5090]

And she probably hasn't had her period, like ever. Probably because of all the test, tren and all the other shit she is ingesting and injecting

[@80Demitri]

@@stefanstefanov5090 Hahaha! In all honesty I could care less what people decide to put into their body but when they claim to be natural and brag about their accomplishments that's when I have to call them out.

[@daveaglasgow]

I think the fact that they all seem to have hit their "genetic potential" in their teens and early twenties, and stop building muscle after a couple of years is a massive sign of ped abuse.

[@hugosuniverse8656]

it baffles me how a lot of top level athletes have this ego where they think they have more "will" or EXTREME determination than the next fellow using gear. They are all using gear and yes some might have an edge to how much work they put in BUT never to the extent that they could out work someone using gear naturally, that is just a fairy tale, absurd fairy tales.

[@bigbobbacharcoal]

Dude I know. I always could keep up and surpass people on steroids on a shit diet and poor sleep but I looked like shit. That shit always drove them nuts. It would always check their ego when I was squatting a deep 405 after 6 months. (I don't lift like that anymore because I like my knees) They always told me diet "tips" and sold shit to people. And tell people how hard they "work" fucking cheaters man.

[@DH-hl5tc]

My favourite "I'm not doing steroids" argument is the "I've been active since *insert early age*".....

[@noone3734]

Please someone answer my question: How much would a 185cm tall and 80kg bodyweight (18% body fat) natural man snatch and C&J if his technique was squared away?

[@ghuff31]

I remember the first time I got a feel for the whole drug world. I was in the army and my training partner got hurt. While he was gone on leave, my girl and I fought and she left me. So...I threw myself into working out. I mean, I was doing it before, but now I was kinda punishing myself with it. If you know, you know. Anyway when he came back he was amazed at my progress. He kept asking me what I did and all I knew about was protein and Hydroxicut, lol. So my buddy started asking me about steroids. And I was like, "what? Dude I ain't THAT big!" I laughed it off. Later I was chosen for a piss test. Twice in one week. And finally one of the supply sgts told me that I was suspected of steroids and that the tip came from my buddy. I couldn't believe it. We stopped hanging out after that. I lost all motivation because of it. People really will throw you under the bus because they fell behind you. So I give people the benefit now.

[@snakeshift9172]

Gotta love Blue Falcons.

[@FlemetAeton]

Thanks for sharing.

[@sneeuwballa]

I never understand the people that say 'just let them use'. Such a nihilist POV. It goes to show that they've never tried to do anything worthwhile and only view sports as entertainment not a meaningful pursuit. Because if you did you'd know what it's like to work hard only to be beaten by someone who cheats their way to the top.

[@reggie7716]

The biggest problem with the "just let them use" crowd is they apparently don't understand that these peds are banned in part because of the negative long term side effects, cardiac damage, permanent hormone disruption, increased cancer risk just to name a few.

[@greggalloway1276]

Reality is no matter your age or your fitness goal, what you put into your fitness goal is what you’re going to get out of it, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR supposedly TAKING!

[@EspressoInSpace]

That one dislike is from the Crossfit yt channel