Crowley Falls from Heaven - Good Omens

[@Circa1628]

its like the difference between an eager up-in-coming new employee out of school VS the cynical employee thats been with the company a few yrs.

[@GingerPeacenik]

All film industry jobs. Try Feature animation back in the day (house of mouse). Sucks the joy right outta you.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

The thing is that said cynical employee loved his job, he just ask why are the plans to just destroying the universe in thousands of years or so and they banished him for it.

[@Pepespizzeria1]

It's religion Vs science for me 😂

[@lauriertripp7064]

up-and-coming*

[@annadachowska24]

It's worst because it took them like few Earth days to fu*king destroy him. 😢 It's seven days in heaven and few before it he made the nebula

[@Xylarxcode]

He does know quite a few things about travelling the stars. He's been doing it in his policebox for who knows how long.

[@mackenziedrake]

😄

[@CDHfilms]

Emphasis on WHO knows how long!

[@austinnoliphant]

No that why he started doing it after he left his universe and came to ours.

[@StanvilleBrown]

He be a great Doctor!

[@diabolusabinfernum3461]

@@StanvilleBrown Doctor who?

[@softfirecrow]

"How much trouble can I get into just for asking a few questions." Crowley actually believed in God being reasonable and mercyful, he trusted him completely, he could not imagine being cast out for thinking for himself. He just wanted to give everyone the opportunity to marvel at the creation like he could. His motives were so good, so pure, so in awe of Gods work. But he was shamed and sent away to suffer alone anyway. And he never got over that.

[@Mrcaremal5]

This version of God reminds me of Preacher's, cold and cruel and will punish you for even thinking.

[@jessicas.6235]

He didn’t realize god’s pride is extremely fragile. I mean, he wanted nebulae created just for humans to think of him.

[@GoldenGodman]

You do realize he didn't fall because of asking a few questions, right? He fell because he was on Lucifer's side during the rebellion. Lucifer in turn ALSO didn't fell because he asked a few questions, but because he wanted to raise himself above the stars of God. In season 1 itself he mumbles about it: "I'm just chilling in heaven, hey it's Lucifer and a bunch of angels! How could I have known they were about to start a rebellion" or something along those lines. He asked the questions and was fine, really, before all that jazz. :)

[@msthecommentator2863]

@@GoldenGodman But during season 1 he's lamenting the end of humanity, deciding on where to go when he suddenly crumples and looks up to the sky to cry out, "All I did was ask a few questions!" I think that's supposed to imply that he only sided with Lucifer because he too was asking questions, but his were in the form of rebellion rather than compromise and Crowley didn't realize until it was too late. The other demons also suggest that he didn't really fight during the battle either. They all look down on Crowley for that reason and question just how demonic he truly is

[@birdgirl2235]

@@GoldenGodman he was on lucifers side because god was unreasonable, and i am pretty sure he did fall for asking questions, the scene itself suggests it, crowley wanted more for the human race, and remember job? even aziraphale lied because god was going to murder his children. Crowley is in the right in this series, god is a dictator and she does nothing for the human race.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Crowley didnt fall, he sauntered vaguely downwards.

[@homoerectus6953]

with them hips it was more a sexy swagger....

[@theinvisibleswordsman1196]

Exactly

[@untrackedvariable3554]

He wasn't such a bad angel. He just... hung around with the wrong sort of folk.

[@lordsathariel4384]

asked too many question's for god or more likely the archangels liking@@untrackedvariable3554

[@SkyP9812]

All he did was ask questions

[@StandAsYouAre]

I love all of Crowley’s hair style choices through the years.

[@pyrflie]

He is a zenith of all times.

[@weebeedesigns]

Yuck. I do not. Especially the Job story style.

[@ellemao7232]

am i the only one who is fascinated by the fact that Angel Crowly and Devil Crowly do feel like the same person but also like completly different ones at the same time? respect David, really!

[@The_Keeper]

I can tell you, from personal experience, what the difference is; Disillusion. Crowley (pre fall) believes in the Plan, in God, in the simple fact that everything can't be for nothing. Crowley (post fall) no longer believes in any of that. That kind of disappointment changes a person, at a core level. And the worst part is, you can never go back to believing. Once the veil has dropped from your eyes, you can never unsee things, no matter how hard you try.

[@greenightponydragon5127]

It’s true. I used to believe in God and all the teachings of him and the church,yet time and time again I realize horrible truth about it. I was like Crowley young,naive wanted know more but more I knew the less I fit in. Everyone says I’m weird don’t belong with normal children when I was younger simply because I’m Austic I was told not sit with “normal” children or question things in history despite fact they left out a lot of stuff. “Respect god,believe in god,god has nothing to prove to you,you have everything prove to god”! Wanna know I think god if he is real,that is an elitist prick how enjoys making hierarchy’s so everyone knows he all powerful,all he cares about everything and everyone knowing he all powerful he can do whatever fuck he wants especially not to help us! I can’t do single accomplishment without others or my own kin thinking it’s miracle from god or god did this. I should be thankful oh yes I’m thankful for the pain,I’m thankful for toxic and absue I went through,I’m thankful for being born alive constantly judges me puts me in so much shit! Over and over and over again!!!!!!

[@inquisitiveferret5690]

That's... A tad reductive. For this particular story, sure that applies very well. But it's not so monolithic. There are plenty of people who return to belief, either they have learned something new, experienced something new, and found themselves to be possibly mistaken when the first changed their mind.

[@Mediados]

"How much trouble can I get into for just asking a few questions?" Knowing the Church, A LOT.

[@Momofan69]

Tbf that depends, in my country we were always encouraged to ask questions, even if yknow potentially disrespectful, it's the only way to go really.

[@Mediados]

@@Momofan69 I've been called a servant of the Devil more than once because I said sex isn't bad and other religions aren't necessarily wrong. Christians in my country are also very peaceful, but my opinion of the whole group is not the highest

[@CrashSable]

Just going to put it out there that before the start of this millennium, nearly 100% of all scientific breakthroughs were performed by someone religious...

[@Mediados]

@@CrashSable Hardly a surprise when the Church used to claim education for itself.

[@mkey570]

I was kicked out of one for asking questions, guess I got off light...

[@jcksparrowfan]

i just noticed when he says 'but thats idiocy!" his feathers ruffle. his feathers are literally getting ruffled with irritation XD

[@jackierocha5096]

The attention to detail my god!

[@yallinmuller7137]

Oh my god thank you for pointing that out. I didn't notice. ❤

[@harmonylynx252]

Oh how did i never notice this detail that Crowley doesnt have snake eyes! (i also love that this scene shows how Crowely is for action and free speaking, while Azi follows orders and is more into watching art than creating or being apart of it)

[@just_a_butterfly]

One of my favorite theories was that before he fall, Crowley had golden eyes. all the high ranking angels have gold details on their face, so it would have been cool if he had golden eyes that turned into snake eyes when he fell.

[@jennydonelly8261]

@@just_a_butterfly There is also the fact that Crowley even mentioned knowing the password for the confidential files (that only the archangels know) since they never change it by saying he used to be an angel. He was part of the team that created the universe (there are parts where he says some stuff that insinuates he worked on the world for example creating gravity and discussing how it should work) and Saraquel (archangel) mentioned working with Crowley when he was an Angel.

[@victoriaherndon6857]

​@@jennydonelly8261I've seen theories that he was Raphael before he fell and chose Crowley as his demon name.

[@moondivine2288]

@@just_a_butterflyGabriel and The Metatron are the only high ranking angels without any gold. Something I’m still confused about. Gabriel’s motif is purple, his eyes being an example. I do like the theory that Crowley’s eyes were gold.

[@tobi3532]

Did you notice his wings turned grey when he says “how much trouble could I get into”

[@Fairygoblet]

I have a strange feeling that Metatron had more to do with the falling directly than God actually did.

[@theredpanda3709]

I have a feeling the Metatron isn't even the voice of god.

[@Fairygoblet]

@theredpanda3709 Entirely possible. I have a feeling that God is Playing dnd with earth.

[@PanConQueso001]

and I can't read Metatron without thinking "transform!"

[@GingerPeacenik]

The Master was always a d*ck.

[@SolusDarkcoat]

Or god is just a piece of shit

[@London1869]

Oh look, a summary of my corporate career, in 95 seconds.

[@GingerPeacenik]

Yup.

[@offgrid1356]

😂 thats a slice of real right there

[@msthecommentator2863]

I know he's talking about Adam and Eve in the last scene, but the way this is edited it really feels like Crowley is reacting to being sent to Hell for questioning the Almighty 😅

[@AlexTurner4656]

This makes me cry of how Crowley was like a child with an obsession and always in awe of a person and then is suddenly shown how cruel things are and how fast the good things are taken away.

[@pakeshde7518]

THIS gives me the *HR wants a few words with you* vibe.

[@laiagonzalez1842]

I feel this is premonicious for the ending. Crowley has clearly no problem on expressing his opinion and going against the current, while Aziraphale, though he loves Crowley and agrees with his ideas, can not put, the higher powers opinions and needs behind

[@mackenziedrake]

Yet.

[@marcusdaloia2974]

Didn't he give away his flaming sword to Adam and Eve?

[@laiagonzalez1842]

@@marcusdaloia2974 You're right, but it's a motive of regret to him the whole fist season

[@mackenziedrake]

@@marcusdaloia2974 Yep, and patched the hole in the wall.

[@mackenziedrake]

@@laiagonzalez1842 I don't know. Without his sword, the kids couldn't take on the horsemen.

[@AuroraVanilla]

"How much trouble can I get into just for asking a few questions?" says Crowley. You can see his wings getting dark as he says it. Amazing attention to detail.

[@missnaomi613]

Really? I'll have to watch it again...

[@SMPandanic]

thats more so lighting than it is the wings getting darker

[@OctopusOwl]

Just realized…. When Crowley keeps asking Az to come away with him to Alpha Centauri, he’s inviting him to something HE created! A sort of “ see?! I was right! All these other places I made are just as worthy of interest as earth.” And Crowley wants to run away from god’s personal interests so Crowley can explore his own creations with his loved one

[@schubertuk]

Yes - but the availability of good wine, music, food and fashion - all things Crowley seems to adore (in addition to Aziraphale) would unlikely be available in Alpha Centauri, a star that is close enough to Earth for us to be suspicious as to any planet there could hold life - owing to the 'Goldilocks' zone being unstable due to the binary star's nature. I think it is more likely a metaphor and a threat - "if you don't love me, Aziraphale, I might as well exile myself to Alpha Centauri" is how I read it. Both Aziraphale & Crowley seem to love humanity (warts and all) and seem to have spent most of the past 6000 years defending and helping it - not abandoning it.

[@birdmcturd1626]

@@schubertukMiracles could probably be used to make all that. Hell,who’s to say they can’t make their own life? Resurrection can’t be too far removed from creating life

[@schubertuk]

@@birdmcturd1626 I thought the issue was they could not hide from heaven or hell if they were performing miracles? But perhaps I misunderstood that point?

[@birdmcturd1626]

@@schubertuk Yes but it is possible they’d be so far away from Earth that it simply wouldn’t matter. Also,I think hell and heaven know where they are since they know the bookshop

[@schubertuk]

@@birdmcturd1626 Perhaps you are right. I just feel it is more likely that Crowley's being wistful and whimsical, a threat or idea that he could move to Alpha Centauri - but never a serious intention - too in love with humanity and Earth. Still - who knows what series 3 has in store.

[@MojoPup]

Such a good show! David Tennant and Michael Sheen are perfect.

[@garvwadhwaney306]

So Crowley didn't do anything bad to fall from Heaven. He didn't hang out with the wrong friends. He didn't succumb to temptation or vices or doing anything evil. All he did was just question authority? Yeah I'd be pissed too.

[@engineer985]

Who wouldn’t ?

[@FoxyfloofJumps]

No. This clip is a bit misleading. The stars and questions was from season 2. The garden scene is right after he persuaded Adam and Eve to eat the Forbidden Fruit, first episode of season 1. Crowley fell after siding with Lucifer and the rest. He fought, just.... not very hard. It was more that he refused to renounce Lucifer after Lucifer made it clear he wanted to Be In Charge.

[@GUEPARDO54]

@@FoxyfloofJumps Yes this scene is from the season 2, but chronologically this occurs at the start, they are literally creating the universe, humans are not created yet in the moment of this scene

[@zarasbazaar]

That's why all the fallen angels were cast out, for questioning. We're all meant, humans and angels, to be pets.

[@IneffableChild]

Why do I just have a really strong feeling that Crowley's Fall will be the opening scene for season 3?? #LetTheNightingaleSingAgain #RenewGoodOmens

[@Allegro11Maestoso]

that would be epic. Let's dream on

[@StormTE]

I can’t be killed again by this show-

[@serendipeachy5548]

It HAS to be.

[@Illier1]

Given how the last season ended I think it'd high time we actually find out the details of who he truly was in the hierarchy and why he was cast down.

[@Cassadinegirlaz]

Angel Crowley is so adorable!

[@Mezzy..]

I just realised why prefall crowley looks so cute! Her eyes brown and full of life

[@rkah6187]

And this is why we could not have David Tennant play Aziraphale. We would not be able to handle the cuteness.

[@travisbrowne9593]

Terrible labelling on this video...everyone knows he is an Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards.

[@SomaelTentacleHair]

Because he was aquintanced with the wrong people

[@jaykayzed5213]

Well, The Doctor is finally Ginger...

[@Juidodin]

"You gave him what he asked. I gave him what he needed." - Michael

[@rn_lvlss]

HE’S SOOO ADORABLE I CAN’T

[@kanothe187]

My last boss had Narcissistic Personality Disorder and I can confirm this is an accurate representation of me 'asking a few questions'😅

[@The_Keeper]

Makes sense. I mean, If you look at the bible, and read the stories without the preconception that "God is good", god *does* more or less present as a weapons-grade psychopath.

[@redbepis4600]

@@The_Keeper like turning a woman into salt for showing basic empathy for people being firebombed. Yeah not a good look....

[@zozophonchkey5300]

His feathers are literally ruffled.

[@5505daniel]

You know what they say... An apple a day, keeps doctor away

[@billthomas2652]

Verrrrry clever.

[@ryanadams0922]

I like how Crowley looks genuinely concerned and curious 0:00

[@mslackadaisical7989]

Yeah, he's really like "what in the universe is this idiot talking about?", like an adult talking to a kid who nearly had the right idea at the start but ended up way off the mark

[@mrwookie72]

that lead baloon line makes so much more sense now!

[@avocadothecat]

Am I the only one just hypnotized by the wings?

[@wrenbyrd1093]

I like when they turn pink. 💕

[@Gail_edits]

“How much trouble can I get for just asking a few questions?” My immediate reaction was a lot, Crowley, a lot and that is honestly such a mood 🤣

[@matthewsowards9465]

He says later in the series that he just got caught up in Lucifer and the boys shinnanigans

[@micheljavert5923]

Years ago, on a Sunday, I remember being in a church. And on that Sunday, I remember a preacher saying something that has stuck with me to this day: "The first question in the Bible was asked by Satan." It's funny, because I think it's the only thing I ever heard in a church that I remember. And in that instant I knew, I *understood* , more than any other argument that I'd ever had with my religious family, the difference between myself (a scientist-in-training) and Christianity. We, (scientists, humanists, secularists) we want to *know* ; we ask *questions* . But they only understand and demand obedience; anything else is Satanic. Evil.

[@generalmars3855]

Christian interpretations like that always sadden me because they drive people away by demanding obedience, conformity, whatever. That’s why I respect a lot if catholics, as the church teaches nuance, and of course why I myself am a practicing Jew. What irks me especially about that is that it’s straight up incorrect! The serpent as satan is never affirmed in any gospels, psalms, talmud, or tanakh; rather, it’s fanon from Paradise Lost. And if questions are so bad, why is the SECOND question in the bible asked by God? And the third? And the fourth?

[@Kopie0830]

I've asked questions to my fellow Christians why did the jews attacked the canaanites and massacred them with the sanction of God and why do people who do not believe in Jesus teaching 100 percent would go to hell (assuming you believe 90 percent of what his saying and 10 percent you don't agree, like letting bad people rule and christians not defending themselves). Most say they don't know. Some priests and nuns say, only God knows. I'm still a Christian, but if any bad people has intention of hurting me, I'm ready to defend myself. I would not kill, of course.

[@InitialPC]

You do realize that the entire reason for miracles in the Bible is to provide PROOF for God's followers right? kinda counterintuitive if He demands blind faith. Most of history's greatest scientists were Christians. You shouldn't conclude all religion is false because of one bad sermon, you're just following your emotions and at that point you're no different from the anti-science theists that you bash.

[@alatar4188]

most of history's greatest scientists may have been christians, but that's because the concept of a "scientist" is pretty recent. if you look beyond it you'll see that many great minds were muslim (during the middle ages mostly), came from pre-christian greece (classical period), or other regions like persia, china, india, etc. as for god not asking for blind faith, he sure made his existence unnecessary and obscure. if he wanted people to know he existed and didn't mind proving it, he could have written his decree on an indestructible monolith floating above the ground or something, that would have been convincing

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@InitialPC Of course, they were. If they weren't, they would have been called heretics and would have been executed before their ideas would even take root. Funny how you can put people in a situation where they _must_ make a particular decision, and then use a forced decision to prove your own point, eh?

[@lunamoss1733]

I have a hard time believing this isn’t The Doctor and his enthusiasm for the universe

[@mashah1085]

"How much trouble could I get into for asking a few questions?"

[@nataliee.parker2873]

This scene just breaks my heart! Seeing how idealistic and innocent the poor guy was!

[@MagisterV224]

This scene was the perfect setup for the season finale. Aziraphel never saw it.

[@efaristi9737]

When the boss can't criticism...

[@poulomi__hari]

Angel of stars.... our sweet holy angel, Kokabiel.... ❤❤

[@patricksanders858]

I'm a chef... I get Crowley's attitude about the uselessness of it all. I spend all my effort for minutes or even seconds of pleasure and sustenance, before it all slowly turns to shit. Which is thrown out as waste.

[@drwatsonca6945]

If Crowley gets into trouble for asking a few questions which could have easily been answered then this god has actually been sending people to their hell for as long as life has existed. He clearly does not want anyone in his perfect world.

[@austinnoliphant]

I find it weird that Crowley is not Satan, but he literally brought light to the universe and probably the one that first questioned God but somehow Satan is the king of hell and is the more famous one.

[@patrickginther8527]

That's because Satan's pride would never allow him to be anything other than king, if not of heaven then of hell. Crowley was just curious.

[@austinnoliphant]

@@patrickginther8527 I think in the end Crowley was the more rebellious and more trouble making, which is probably why, because Satan plays a role, while Crowley doesn't believe in anything nor does he want to play role in anything but doing his own thing.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

This scene is deliberately following a theological (mis)interpretation of Genesis that posits the Angel of the Lord as the being that enacted the creation of the universe, then doubles back on the angel angle and made it a literal angel for giggles. Whoever wrote this scene knows their biblical/theological criticism but may have overestimated the audience. That is, unless this understanding of the creation story is more common in the UK? The orthodox interpretation is that it's Jesus, ("through Him all things are made" - Nicene Creed).

[@alexisgrunden1556]

That's because the Morningstar led a whole-@$$ rebellion, and attempted a coup de main; all Crowley did was ask "But _why's_ it have to be this way, boss?" and his boss took that personally~

[@trianglemoebius]

I thought it was pretty clear that Satan was taking credit for Crowley's work. He's led the rebellion, and is too prideful to admit he didn't do all the other cool stuff, too.

[@MinisDunyasi5]

I used to think Crowley had fallen for Aziraphale first. But now that we’ve seen how they first met, when they were both angels. I understand Aziraphale fell for Crowley first, but Crowley fell harder.

[@daydreamergirl03]

So the Almighty can't handle constructive criticism?😅🤨

[@mackenziedrake]

That's one way of putting it.

[@jackngo9338]

God is perfection and can never accept any ideas, creation, or other beings besides himself.

[@jmackmcneill]

I can't remember who said it but there is a quote that goes: "A close reading of the bible would indicate that eternal hellfire is the reward for anyone who questions God's infinite love and mercy."

[@B2Roland]

​@@jackngo9338what a tosser.

[@mackenziedrake]

@@jmackmcneill To which Crowley was already sent.

[@nbm8758]

omg...I read the book back in High School. I totally forgot about it! :o

[@marenatedroses129]

The show’s amazing pls watch it

[@Si1verWings]

I second this the show is totally amazing

[@deeznutz2454]

WATCH IT!!!!

[@supernaturalhunter1352]

Watch it so we get season 3!

[@MicukoFelton]

I didn't like the book, but the show is great.

[@peronkop]

I just love that Earth is not even in the middle.

[@chesterbowles7950]

Crowly didn't so much as fall, he more or less sauntered down from heaven.

[@jareththegoblinking3191]

It’s weird how Crowley seems to have Satan’s story more than actual Satan Not liking what God does, becoming fallen, tempting man with an apple

[@Kleineganz]

Well, maybe he's Lucifer? (It's possible that Satan and Lucifer are different beings, at least in this universe).

[@Izanami037]

@@KleineganzNope, Neil confirmed he is not on tumblr.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

Yeah, and Satan is taking his credits. Crowley should be the king but then again, he hates authority and leadership but it will still be a very interesting approach.

[@Kleineganz]

@@tc-channelhobby4051 Well, maybe in this universe, Lucifer hands over day-to-day operations of Hell to Satan because he can't be arsed to be in charge (although he low-key kind of is, but no one knows it). Look at how Crowley handled the demon "army" when they came to attack the bookshop. He took control and led all those people to safety.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@Kleineganz the thing is Lucifer did reveal himself and he is Satan as well, even Crowley was frightened when he was about to come and spank his son.

[@fireborrito1082]

I just realized that Crowley suggested that the earth should be in the center of the universe 😂

[@FurryEskimo]

To my understanding, the reason Satanists say they do :t worship Satan, but what he represented, was basically this, being willing to question the unquestionable, to try and reason when you see what appears to be unreasonable behavior. Too bad they have such an awful name or someone might actually have taken them seriously.

[@colmcille4388]

Difference between Satan and Crowley is that satan was prideful and wanted to be better than God crowley just wanted improvements

[@FurryEskimo]

@@colmcille4388 Eh, you hear different recounts based on who you ask. Some people say it was striking down pride, some say it was questioning a superior. Some people believe both are worthy of punishment, in for a Lot of human history, Kings and other rulers were considered Never To Be Questioned, and also worshipped, sometimes as a godlike figure. (See where I’m coming from? Skepticism is great, but that’s why I’m also skeptical. In my opinion we all benefit from critical thinking and challenging authority to some degree, but we also need to understand that systems often exist for a reason (not always a good reason), but that we can accomplish more as a group (for better or worse), so it’s important to be able to form a collective, but should also try to ensure that the collective doesn’t under-value individuality and intelligence, disobedience included.)

[@briang.2218]

It's worse than having an awful name, it's a completely inappropriate archetype. The mythological archetype of the Devil that seems to have taken hold in the West (i.e. the Miltonian Satan, or Goethe's Mephistopheles) is not defined by his desire to question and understand things beyond orthodoxy, he is defined first by his spiteful hatred of existence (i.e. "Evil, be thou my Good", for example, or in Faust, "I am the spirit that ever negates, and rightly so -- for all that begins deserves to perish wretchedly"). He is the image of the omnicidal nihilist who desires the worsening of Being, not of the intrepid explorer. If the Satanists want someone willing to question orthodoxy and embark outward to discover the Truth themselves (already an endeavor antithetical to the Devil, who despises any overarching truth), then there're undoubtedly many more immediately well-aligned archetypal figures to consider. Horus, for example, is the deity who restores sight to a blind and decrepit Father -- that could very well be a mythological representation of rejuvenating an orthodoxy that has strayed from the proper way to exist. Even the Christ is one such figure, insofar as he -- for example -- explicitly rebukes the orthodoxy of the Pharisees. Satan has no interest in truth or betterment of Being -- all else is a misattribution to the archetype.

[@FurryEskimo]

@@briang.2218 Sorry I don’t have time for a more complete response, but please try to remember that what’s “appropriate” is largely based on your perception of what these characters represent. If someone views God as non-existent or an authority figure with too much control, your belief that we Shouldn’t empathize with their enemy becomes a non-issue.

[@briang.2218]

​@@FurryEskimo Mm well that's the trouble, I suppose: I'm not so sure that a character like the Devil exists fully dependent on a given individual's interpretation of the character. I suspect that when we invoke literary/mythological archetypes as ancient as the Devil (if we go beyond Milton and Goethe), we are drawing upon references to characters and concepts that have worked their way into an unconsciously but COLLECTIVELY-shared symbolic vocabulary. And in my understanding, though one's chosen interpretation of "Devil as headstrong anti-orthodoxy rebel" certainly draws upon parts of the Devil archetype, this is not the only part, nor is it the essential component of what the Devil archetype means within our shared symbolic vocabulary. What is essential, it seems, is the nihilistic omnicidal rejection of the 'proper' way of Being. I'll admit all this hinges on a very particular understanding of what mythological archetypes are, but this idea of collectively-shared symbolic vocabularies is what I personally reckon them to be. Thus, in my view, the Satanists conflating the Hero and Devil archetypes is not a great move: not just because of mythological inaccuracy but because I suspect there are unconscious consequences to such symbolic self-identification. I'll concede I don't fully know what the consequences are or will be, but that's just my inevitably incomplete understanding of the matter. Perhaps there's an integrative element to their approach to the Devil Archetype that trims out what is morally malevolent in it, though I'm really not so sure. (No worries about not having a complete response, btw, I think yours is a pretty solid response as far as YT comments go lol)

[@sinnedverybigly]

notice how crowleys wings become darker at the end when he says 'how much trouble can i get into just for asking a few questions'

[@comfortablynumb2970]

I had to watch it again, but your right! I also noticed that Crowley began to drift downwards very slowly as he got more and more worked up towards the end...

[@sinnedverybigly]

@@comfortablynumb2970 OMG YES !!

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

"Millions of galaxies trillions of stars!" Crowley, your Doctor is showing

[@Nonskiller]

Crowley = Asks Questions Crowley = Hey Azira...

[@gamerkingprince5631]

I haven’t watched season 2 yet didn’t even know they was making one I’m so excited is it out yet

[@supremeoverlorde2109]

I think what's sad is that Crowley's curiosity, inquisitiveness, and imagination are the best things about him. I'm sure the reason he actually fell wasn't just that he asked a few questions, but that's clearly at least where it started. It seems like all he ever really wanted was to be respected and be allowed to do things his own way. How hopeless and powerless Crowley must feel in his day to day existence, having fought for his freedom only to trade one tyrant for another and become locked in a never-ending p***ing contest between Heaven and Hell. The biggest difference between Crowley and Aziraphale is that Crowley lost his faith millennia ago. Aziraphale is still holding onto his. I get the sense that Aziraphale's faith may be greatly tested in season 3, and I can't help but wonder how much it would take for that to break.

[@xaracen7207]

the irony that crowly is a readhead has not escaped me.

[@anotherautisticgamer8663]

I don’t remember this episode of doctor who

[@illbeyourmonster1959]

Weeping Angles retcon from the season/regeneration timeline that shall not be spoken of.

[@mattwho81]

So the celestials were left with a bunch of orders and no explanations. The demons are the ones who kicked up a fuss and caused trouble. But the Angels were the ones who decided to start making up their own answers and present them as the ineffable plan.

[@darkacadpresenceinblood]

the contrast between pre fall crowley and demon crowley actually makes me even sadder than s2 ending he was so precious and innocent and they broke him :((

[@KatsIsWeird24]

This reminds me of that dark animation of a caged Angel who refuses the love of a demon and the demon decided to kill the angel’s friend who btw has red hair as well

[@scrappybristol2011]

Crowley channeling his inner Doctor in this clip.

[@gregnulik1975]

Makes you wonder if Crowley was asking those questions today , what might heaven's reaction be.

[@TheNightshadePrince]

It is a fancy wall paper! :)

[@carlospecho6010]

Dude any time I hear David talk about space I just see the fucking doctor man and am not hatting I love every second of it but it goes to show how much #10 was really him being himself

[@alsiredwood5642]

Someone tell me, in S1 when Crowley meets Aziraphale on the wall, Aziraphale does not know who he is. He is skeptical, a complete stranger, and doesn't have the faintest clue who this wily serpent is. But in S2, before Crowley outright says he wishes to "destroy the blameless children of blameless Job", Aziraphale says he "knew the angel [Crowley] once was", implying he knew from the start then which angel Crowley was before the fall. Something not suggested in S1. What's up with that? Why change such a vital part of their relationship?

[@AngelStickman]

I thought he was nervous on the wall because he gave man his flaming sword do they could have fire and protection.

[@kayceee_ql1158]

Could also be interpreted that Aziraphale already knew Crowley but just didn't know his name. In S1's first scene, we see Crowley introducing himself but not Aziraphale. In S2, it's Aziraphale introducing himself and not Crowley.

[@B.Scruby]

Tbf, most of this is just exploration. Their relationship in the book was already established iirc. They both liked living in Earth and wanted to keep it that way. So they just kinda hung around and would only ever talk to one another if something important was going to happen. Both Hell and Heaven would send people to check on them and see their work towards judgement day and they'd help each other out in fooling the "Quality Assurance Checker" so they could live in Earth a bit more without being bothered by the higher ups. Lol I haven't watched the show yet, just guessing at what Neil was going for. From what i hear, he's heavily involved in the show.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The first season was based on the book. In the book they first met in Eden after the apple thing. The showrunners are trying to retcon this in a weird way, is all.

[@rockoperajon]

@@B.Scrubythe first series is a very close adaptation of the book. It changes some minor details, removed a few inconsequential bits and pieces, and expands on the involvement of other angels and demons, but is mostly book accurate. The second series is based on an outline for a potential sequel that Pratchett and Gaiman had planned to work on, but never had the chance. How much of the story was already complete, and how many gaps Gaiman had to fill in himself is not clear, but the second series feels a bit less whimsical than the first, and focuses much more on Aziraphale and Crowley specifically, rather than a large ensemble. The second series sets up a third, and this one will likely be entirely Gaiman’s creation.

[@RedheadDevito]

It’s hard for me to get immersed in a story when angels are mentioning wallpaper before humans even exist. I know it’s supposed to be farcical, but I can’t get my head around it.

[@ShadowDemon_4]

So god made the earth and everything else is just "Hey look how insignificant you all are compared to me" and when someone questioned him he tossed them out.

[@kissmrule]

Such a good video it so good and sweet

[@johnaashmore]

"How much trouble can I get into for asking a few questions" He has not dealt with police, politicians and CEO's.

[@N1k4_Gr1v]

Some people can't take criticism lightly

[@5thHouse]

This is the first I'm seeing this hair and it's great

[@demiserofd]

Technically speaking, if you are omnipotent, then it doesn't take any more effort to create an actual entire universe for decoration than it would to just paint the sky. Both are an equally tiny fraction of infinity.

[@Solqueen86]

Metatron: Mmm, that one Angel getting a little too chatty for Comfort...better slap him down! KOBE!

[@linriana]

Tiny in for for all yall. His wings got darker as the clip goes on. While hes still an angel, at the end, they are grey.

[@calebglover8503]

When the doctor kicking in to have a opinion

[@shademaster24601]

How hard would it have been to just say, "They'll figure it out. Just watch."

[@chewher4171]

Crowley began the whole movement! He must be silenced!!!!

[@tobigarcia8058]

You know when you think of it through this kinda makes Satan look like some grounded teen xp

[@FRMOutsideSpace]

Is this any good, I keep seeing it on prime

[@GiovannaMuzeldaPaixão]

LMAO THE MONTAGE

[@alpha_wolf220]

something i think worth noting is in one episode it's mentioned that crowley has something most demons (or fallen angels) have is imagination. either meaning one of 2 things. 1. when angels fell they got brain damage and lost the ability to use their imagination 2. crowley has always been different and had the unique talent of thinking for himself

[@SophisticatedLunatic]

This is actually so sad😢

[@Ginric99]

this scene Tennant really taps into his Dr :)

[@hellothere9167]

"Mr.Crowley What went on your head?"

[@navibanfield1591]

When did the doctor regenerate into a literal servant of the lord who feel from grace..... This scene always gives me Doctor vibes from Tennant 😂😂😂

[@CrazyAnimeGamer3]

So before becoming the leader off the cross roads demons then later the king of hell Crowley was a angel.

[@namenotfound2456]

IT'S INCREDIBLE I CANT FIND THAT FUCKING FULL SCENE ANYWHERE.

[@anndavidson6950]

Great video. I also have some ideas for edits but are we allowed to use actual clips from TV shows and movies? isn't it copyright/trademark infringement?

[@blakedefriend4075]

Lets be honest. Crowley found the top angel and asked to meet God and was turned away.

[@leeseth]

he didn't fall! he just sauntered vaguely downwarss

[@colin8696908]

The world is in the center of the universe, because the center is relative to The observer.

[@hydewhyte4364]

We're in the middle of the most boring arm of a boring galaxy, in a phenomenally boring galactic cluster at the boring end of the universe. The most interesting feature of the universe (that we know of) is hidden behind the centre of the galaxy where we can't see any of it. IF the universe was a music concert, we're sitting in the nose bleed section, right behind a pillar, with a speaker directly over our head. That said ... if we lived anywhere even slightly more interesting, we'd all be quite dead.

[@micheljavert5923]

@@hydewhyte4364 "Nosebleed section" nothing. We're like two counties over from the nosebleed section and barely aware of the concert.

[@toddkes5890]

"This is one little planet in one tiny solar system in a galaxy that's barely out of its diapers" - Death (from supernatural s5e21)

[@codysingh5939]

You know you could make an argument that God is trying to give the humans something to do; their desire to know more will give them something to do and a purpose.

[@ten5h1]

Crowley … your Doctor Who is showing.

[@rafaelramos1486]

When you ask a question the boss dont like you end up like the devil cast out of heaven.

[@jillyapple1]

I thought Crowley didn't fall, just sauntered vaguely downwards? Lol. Read the book a long time ago, but haven't seen the show. So, from scanning the comments section, it seems like a good one to enjoy? Is it true to the book or really its own thing?

[@joshuarobinson8529]

1:01 Remember how Lucie fell, Crowley?

[@AceOfHeartz4]

even as crowley he is the doctor

[@RANDOM-KNIGHT145]

0:26 Right !!!! Trillions of celestial bodies, and its just for one planet to view. Thats a waist 😮