(Crown Victoria)The Difference Between Romeo and Windsor Built Engines

[@MrRandomReviews]

what do you guys have? Windsor or Romeo?

[@f4phantom233]

Windsor V8 anyday!

[@ruszko726]

302 sbf Windsor, 85 Cv

[@nickys1008]

Just found out I have a Romeo even though my car was made in Canada?

[@ford9365]

Romeo over here!! Besides that shity ass blue line flag lmao hope i offended some people.

[@quentinc1275]

@@nickys1008 same

[@NightMahar]

Owned a 2002 Crown Vic. Navy, loaded. No regrets. So what if the manifold went!! 800 to fix and I was on my way. Wish Ford would do a new classic Crown Vic and just change interior with a 10 speed transmission.

[@Lsutton04_]

Fabricate it yourself and there ya go, we have the technology for it

[@davidalba6781]

Yes

[@John.Mini-Clubman]

Night Mahar; 10 speed. autobox.. Appears Dodge has issues w/these 'multy-shift' automatics.. Fwiw; If only there w/a 'modern' type "Buick Dynaflo."

[@michaellagrasse7325]

800? Damn dude you got scammed

[@nac746]

Yeah new crown vic with the 5.0 coyote

[@doccrane3143]

When I built a triton engine I built it with a Windsor bottom end and a Romeo upper I like the fact that the Romeo uses girdled cam caps and the Windsor uses clip in rist pins. so I can do it all myself. I'll use cams out of a 13 e350 5.4 with a 5.4 expedition t.b. and Forged truck crank, the timing covers are interchangeable just be careful of your upper bolts the 5.4 heads useded a 10 x1.5mm threaded bolt and the 4.6 used an 8×1.25mm bolt, that also changed between R&W engines. A fella can build a good one with all OE parts if you know what to look for.

[@sleon7340]

I really appreciate all this info you give about the Crown Vic I"ve been considering getting a Panther body and your channel has been a godsend for doing research on them

[@HotRod8625]

If your looking to also modify a Panther, check out adtr.net. They pretty much have narrowed down all the correct parts swaps. They also have worked with part manufacturers to develop panther specific parts.

[@sleon7340]

@@HotRod8625 thank you for the additional info Of what I've seen so far panther body owners are just the best Really helpful and kind

[@Cincy32]

​@@sleon7340 3 years later... Did you get a Panther? 🤔

[@jmacchandler3927]

97 windsor & 2000 romeo... both moderately neglected on services but still well over 300k. It's hard to pick a favorite... i wont knock either one

[@joeford860]

Thanks for the video,I knew nothing about two different engines in Ford's.

[@alejandrozuniga4426]

my f150 has a windsor, i found out when buying oil filter for it

[@OtisPlunk]

It is possible to determine if you have a Romeo or Windsor engine by looking at the 8th character in the vehicle's VIN number. A "6" in the 8th character position refers to 4.6L SOHC Windsor produced engines. A "W" refers to 4.6L SOHC Romeo produced engines. Confusing, right? W=Romeo / 6=Windsor.

[@StumpyVanLife]

Guess that trick don't work on a 2011. My 8th character is a V

[@deehorne5525]

I have a 2009 an mine is a V also

[@brandonharris8051]

X = Windsor W=Romeo go one more over on vin

[@qwertypoiuyt1]

V is also Romeo I have a V

[@mettetal]

Wow I never knew this, thank you. Just ran the vin on my 2010 P7B and it has the Romeo.

[@vortex9854]

To tell the difference just look at the vin the 8th number is w for a romeo engine and 6 for a Windsor engine

[@dillonbmx16]

I have a v as the 8th character

[@wysmn]

@@dillonbmx16 means your car has a vagina

[@musicrevelation2023]

@@dillonbmx16 is it the 4.6? Or like a 4v or something lol that's kinda odd

[@StumpyVanLife]

@@musicrevelation2023 My 2011 Crown Vic Lx with 2V 4.6 also has a V in the 8th character.

[@t4rci427]

Is that murauder front end on the 06?

[@Lee19711]

It’s your you boy here !!! Lol Yup roger that... site works great, thank you sir. My 99 depicted... Romeo in paint code B-2 harvest gold. Thanks brother.

[@greygibson2513]

1996 Mercury Grand Marquis GS, Saddle Brown exterior, with a Romeo built 4.6 V8 😃

[@marianosotas3380]

My is a 2005 mercury grand marquis with a 4.6 winsor? Also what about the 4.6 Molular engine?

[@mattweeks2272]

mariano sotas regardless if your 4.6 came from the Romeo plant or Windsor plant, it is part of the ford modular engine family along with the 5.4 and 6.8

[@jaye23able]

my 2004 lx sport has a romeo built engine, its color is dark Toreador.

[@dariocamacho9871]

I know this video was just about the Windsor and Romeo but I'd like to see a video about all 4 and how to tell the difference 👊

[@miket4481]

Thanks for this video Mr. Random. I've learned so much about my favorite car via your channel

[@tylerspellman9571]

Just looked up '11 Vic and I have a Romeo engine, was actually surprised living in Edmonton Alberta, that it wasn't from Windsor Ontario. There's also a badge on my block from Ford saying it was rebuilt in the USA towards the end of 2016, about a year before I bought it. The fella I got it from buys and sells them, he said over the years he sold over a hundred of them by that point, paid 2700$ for the one I got but it was the nicest one of the bunch of 7 or 8 he had at the time, even put it on a lift and showed me the undercarriage before buying.

[@John.Mini-Clubman]

All-right Edmonton.. Alberta's capitol!😊

[@Cincy32]

Alberta is the only part of Canada that gives me hope in your country as an American. Not that I've held out much hope for my own country... I remember hanging out with some Albertans at a hostel many years ago in Toronto & they were some wild, good, really funny people.

[@Project-gr6zy]

I've built both rangers with a friend and stock v stock the triton (Romeo for Canada) makes more power and torque stock but tuned and bolt ons depends on what you do

[@Marsden12001]

Just bought the best automotive purchase of my life 2 days ago. 2004 mercury grand marquis ls premium with 132k and all original documents. Including sticker tag. Had been garaged its whole life and owned by a widow in Michigan. Immaculate shape. Only paid $2500 for it. Runs like a raped ape!

[@gavinmiller2590]

Hope it’s still doing great, you basically stole that car.

[@D4x4Bronc]

Is that why so many 4.6 expeditions were scrapped and junked?

[@zuestoots5176]

@Dave Pawson You dont have timing chain issues if you change oil like you should and stay off the limiter

[@alexperez-ee2et]

Im doing a timing chain and a clutch job in my mustang since the fork in my failed while i was in the middle of nowhere and i had to drive 6k rpm going 35 for 2 hours

[@jayyoutube8790]

Like the chevy suburban, if your quiet at night, you can hear them rusting..

[@cainhager9814]

@@alexperez-ee2et why not have a tow truck get you or have someone pick you up, that is so bad for the motor

[@alexperez-ee2et]

I was in the middle of nowhere closest tow truck was 100 miles away

[@Sebast1an89]

Thanks now I searched and I have an 03 Grand Marquis with a Romeo engine

[@BMW335]

if you did light moding, the windsor could have loads of torque since its for trucks

[@brandonflatt9577]

No. That’s not how it works it still has a crown Vic intake cam. Not F-150 Intake cam

[@martinvalencia6141]

@@brandonflatt9577 and that's why you swap it in lol

[@shawnlibby675]

The 4.6 Windsor's in the trucks had different cams then the car cams so that's probably why the truck Windsor motors have a little more torque

[@fastfox851]

You can also just pop off the oil filler cap and check for a cam girdle. The Windsor did not have a cam girdle and the Romeo did.

[@hotrodray6802]

I read several years ago that the 4.6 had about 9 different blocks and at least 7 different heads. All I know is the first few years they had a LOT of valve seal and timing chain guide issues. Our local LEO car mechanics became experts. Smoke when idling and decelarating. Ive had several.

[@fastfox851]

@@hotrodray6802 yeah, the very first ideation of the 4.6 in the town car and then the crown Vic has issues with the angle that the injectors sprayed fuel into the cylinder. They were spraying at an angle that was causing the fuel to be sprayed directly onto the cylinder walls and it was washing the oil off and causing premature wear.

[@fastfox851]

They have had issues with timing chains throughout the years of the 4.6. I was looking at an 04 with 119k and when you hit the throttle and the rpms were coming down you could hear the chain rattle. Instead of the chain tensioner using oil pressure they should have used spring tension.

[@fastfox851]

The very first year of the 4.6 in the town car had a bell housing bolt pattern the same as the 5.0 and 5.8 the next year they changed it to the newer style.

[@marianosotas3380]

What about a 2005 mercury grand marquis? Additionally did they shared the same engine with the 98 mustang gt, because they technically both engines made closed to 224 hp? And what about the f150 98 XLT for same engine or different?

[@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154]

I need to put a new timing chain on my 2001, so I researched all this on Tuesday. Romeo has three bolts in chain guide, Windsor two. 01GS and 00LS both Romeo

[@urmum8540]

Does it affect performance?

[@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154]

@@urmum8540 mine just sounded noisy

[@gilcoles7087]

Ive been lookin for that website. Thanks.

[@Maria-hb3kc]

Just looked mine up it's a 2006 Crown Vic so it's the Romeo edition paid $850 dollar's for it like 2 mouths ago.

[@tonytellitright9713]

I PAID A GUY $280 FOR MINES WITH A BAD INTAKE MANIFOLD

[@cheguevara4451]

Why did you pay so much ???????! Sorry for the loss dude.

[@Rhayek99]

Windsors came in mustangs too. I have a 1998 that was originally a Romeo but I swapped it with a Windsor out of a 2001 mustang.

[@w00derice]

Yeah, my 01 Mustang has a Windsor. I've understood later in 01 they went with the Romeo (the early 01's, such as mine generally had the Windsor's).

[@lowslo9287]

Radwan Hayek I did the same to my 97 Windsor can be built stronger

[@kmorton54]

Excellent and very informative video.

[@samholdsworth3957]

Learned something new, ty.

[@Chicano11ash]

this is random question, but have you ever had a blown spark plug? if so how do i go fixing that do i fix the one it blow out or have them all done on a 4.6l v8

[@MrRandomReviews]

have them all re checked and done

[@Chicano11ash]

thanks!

[@Adamdub612]

When did u fall in love with the crown vic panther platform??

[@MrRandomReviews]

since i was 19

[@crownhic6827]

Canadian built cars are good. They know how to build a car.

[@oddh4322]

where is it stamped on the motor?theres some printed tags on it but dont know what they stand for,guy i bought it from says its a 2007 p71 motor and transmission,and its seized,i havent checked just got it yesterday.

[@darrena.247]

Thanks. Very informative.

[@dennisdavis2825]

Yeah my 03 P71 zombie Vic has a Romeo 4.6 and since I’m in Michigan that’s a good thing lol!! Found out a whole lot on edis !!

[@joshualonshores8794]

Thank you so much for the important information

[@wonkachocolates6133]

Romeo, Romeo,, Romeo...Where Art Thou Romeo...? I bet everyone of you readers seen that one coming!.

[@John.Mini-Clubman]

I did.. Though it was a pleasure seeing it in print!

[@anthonymay9663]

My car was built in Canada and it has a Romeo engine?

[@PrivateEyeYiYi]

Back in the 60-70 time period there was a real difference between 351 engines produced in Windsor and those coming out of Cleveland. The Cleveland engines had bigger ports, valves and other internals resulting in more power. The difference wasn't always clear though, as a car would just say 351 on the side. So whether a car came with Cleveland or Windsor engine became a real issue. But I've never heard of any significant difference between Cleveland and Romeo.

[@jacksonstorm6395]

Almost every mustang in that period that had a windsor was badged 351w. Cleveland's just said 351 .

[@matthewhanna9835]

How hard would a Cleveland swap be?

[@mauricegoodwin8922]

Thanks for the info dose this all apply to Town Cars

[@lanewarriorillridez3739]

Yes anything with a 2 valve 4.6 v8 engine and 2 valve 5.4 V8 engine.

[@The_Inspiration_86]

From what ur sayin da Romeo Engine is far superior & Thank You Father in Thy Name of Jesus dat my recently acquired 2002 Crown Victoria LX Sport has a Romeo!!!👏😏👏

[@lowslo9287]

Khalil R. Mercado Windsor can be made into a stronger engine at the end of the day 8 bolt cranks are better

[@jeffburger3686]

Interesting - never knew that. Turns out I have a Romeo. (2007)

[@robertvilliard6768]

Great vid, just found a new feature on my 03 marquis digital dash on miles till empty gives a tone and flashes at 50 miles

[@BeKindToBirds]

I'm interested in the actual differences between the engines but I've always been proud my engine was made in Detroit. I know it realistically makes zero difference but it makes me think of the heritage of Detroit and all the famous war-winning and continent-eating engines that came out of there. It's really just nostalgia but I'm still happy I got one of the last of the classics in my vic

[@treykashflow6183]

thanks for the edumacations

[@spinamerctae4060]

What the difference between the Romeo and Windsor

[@parkourpotato6066]

Never heard of this before, just looked up my 2000 and it was a Romeo.

[@WarrenHazel-z6e]

So if it is a wire op that means it is a romeo?

[@c431inf]

Windsor's reliability

[@joshuastittshall8688]

Does this effect a 95 Crown Vic base edition.

[@bigal1559]

Crown Vics Run 4 Ever Great Cars.

[@carlbutcher9854]

I know sounds crazy but i'm saving mine . i put 400 miles on it last year lol . I know its not a mustang or something like that . I can tell you though at lest here in TN nice ones that are clean like mine are getting harder and harder to find.

[@bigal1559]

@@carlbutcher9854 I grew up around Grand Marquis,Crown Vics,Town Car.I have alot of Love 4 these car I am planing on getting one a 2011 Police interceptor.I curently own a 1989 Town Car 5.0 its Great never had an issue regular maintace thats it.

[@brianeagle7005]

My 2011 cvpi has the romeo

[@aceofkings3388]

Where is the w or r located so I can find it?

[@Messiahdagod]

So the 06 4.6romeo is the same as the one in the 07 f-150

[@charliekroll5427]

I live 8 miles from Romeo engine pass it everyday

[@mccoymodelcars9117]

Same here

[@jghost910]

What about the 97 thunderbirds? With the 4.6?

[@MrRandomReviews]

that website works with ALL fords

[@brianeagle7005]

Windsor is more for the truck applications some I are more for the car

[@ramshacks9493]

So its better than a 4.6 mustang gt?

[@lowslo9287]

Rams Hacks 😂😂

[@aspieotaku3580]

Its the same damn car only heavier with 4 doors lol.

[@lowslo9287]

Windsor are better motor 8 bolt crank compared to 6 bolt my 97 gt had a Windsor block I loved it

[@carlbutcher9854]

Had no idea thanks man !

[@EarlGuyton425]

Not sure which is better today, but in the past the windsor was very superior. Your 220 V8 and 260 and 289 and 302 and 351W were windsor engines and its a known fact from the 1960s on through the 1980s those 302 windsors were superior to anything made in america My 02 f150 4.6 is a windsor and my 05 lincoln town car is the 4.6 romeo

[@mrwright9553]

have you ever had do the brakes? such as all the rotors and pads?

[@thetinpin]

You must be new here

[@mrwright9553]

tin pin he must have did one??

[@mrwright9553]

tin pin I seen the one where he did the brake rotor and pads on the mustang but not the Vic’s. Do you have a Vic?

[@thetinpin]

@@mrwright9553 I've owned a few Panther bodies: 86 MGM, 87 LTC, 88 LTC, 94 LTC, 98 LTC, 00 LTC, and a 09 CVPI that I drive now.

[@mrwright9553]

tin pin have you every did brake rotors and pads

[@dariocamacho9871]

What about the modified they made for mustangs

[@Itr-tv7kt]

I just picked up a 2009 Grand marquis with 148000 KM... i did not know there was 2 different ford 4.6l..im learning. I looked it up and i have romeo engine in mine.

[@MONICAJIMENEZ-qj2oe]

Very good

[@lazyrrr2411]

My cuzint worked at the Romeo Plant ~ never told me what he did & ℹ never asked - - - Now ℹ know !

[@terrellupshaw1433]

The black and white one has grand marquis headlights?

[@MrRandomReviews]

marauder

[@dariocamacho9871]

Not sure on the order but it was Cleveland 351 Windsor 351 Modified 351 and Romeo 351

[@Lee19711]

Think that was years ago during the Grand Torino’s and Boss M. Mustangs . I personally had a 72 Torino with a 351 Windsor. Take care brother. Good? Thought.

[@johncholmes643]

You're stupid

[@sjg1018]

You're confused .

[@DeathhAngel1]

How much to swap a windsor for a romeo engine

[@porousorificePilot]

Front cover bolt size is different. (8mm vs 10mm) Different valve cover bolt configuration.

[@justinm6110]

The 4.6 is a rock, they will run 200k miles , they arnt the baddest engines but they sound great.

[@justinm6110]

I would love a 4v in my 02 tho.

[@andycruzatx3387]

I got 3v 4.6 running great at 150k and it does sound great, it's tuned and modded to about stage 2

[@theicksta]

Windosr Vic's I'm pretty sure are in the 90s. But romeo/Cleveland always better than windsor

[@cliffordjohnson6668]

Nooo I have a 99 Romeo

[@amandaaliff6751]

Back in tha day, Cleveland 351ci motors, were the main sought after motors no matter what Ford you drove. I had a '73 Maverick with one in it backed by a built C6 with a 410 posi rear-end. Loved taking it to Bithlo Florida Raceway on the weekends. Man! I Miss Those Days!!!

[@chrisj197438]

Why is it that some p71’s came with greenish coolant hoses and some came with black coolant hoses?

[@MrRandomReviews]

the blue coolant hoses are made of a better material..but more expensive so they had to scrap them in later cars

[@chrisj197438]

Mr Random Reviews Mine is an 06 and have the black ones I’m assuming it came from ford that way

[@JerryWasARaceCarDriver]

maybe someone flipped them inside out to get more use?

[@connoisseurofcannabiscarsp3755]

Windsor built 4.6s are better..It has different rods and internals.. you can simply look on the engine cam covers along with wiring covers and blocks are stamped.

[@lowslo9287]

Connoisseur of Cannabis Cars&Pussy yes and 8 bolt mains

[@matajeralkasfh1036]

I used windsor for a 9 years without any big problems

[@DjFinatic]

HELP i need someone’s help ASAP on a question, can’t find it anywhere. I have an 05 crown Vic p71, looking to replace the front seats with a bench. I was told an 05 town car may fit, but I was hoping someone here has some experience with this, and could tell me what to do. Thank you!

[@jasoncooper3116]

It should fit. I put the seats out of a 98 Towncar in my 07 P71. It was a little more complicated because of the different year models, but 05 to 05 should be straight forward. I actually disassembled both sets of front seats so I could use the base of the Crown Vic seat with the Towncar pads, covers, and the complete back of the towncar seats. That was just to avoid wiring issues.

[@D4x4Bronc]

@@jasoncooper3116 has to be a base model towncar the signature and above need the door wiring and memory module not included with seat

[@jasoncooper3116]

Yeah, I used the metal base with manual sliders, seat sensor, Crown Victoria seat belt buckles, everything so it wouldn't have to worry about wiring or sensors not matching up.

[@2cars10]

Really bothers me that Ford called it the Windsor modular

[@jacobmoon6191]

Thomas?????? Hi!!!!!!

[@eriv4735]

It was made in Windsor..

[@prushimush]

Want to get bothered even more? The vast majority of "Windsor" 5.0 and 351 engines were actually made at Ford Engine Plant #1 in Cleveland, Ohio. The "Cleveland" V8 had a short production life, Ford had two assemblies in Cleveland. From 1970 to 2001, they made 302, 351 and later 5.0 engines at Plant #1, right next to the airport. So if you have a 351 Windsor in your F150 or a 5.0 in your Foxbody, your Windsor engine was built in... Cleveland.

[@blk77sunshn]

@@prushimush Don't forget . The Mexico Plant, with the A4 designated engine blocks. Engines (5.0 HO. Motors)80's fox bodies.....

[@ambush8502]

Why did some Vics came with a stock h pipe and others straight duels

[@cardinaloflannagancr8929]

None had factory duels police or civilian without an h pipe unless done aftermarket. I went to straight duels in my 2nd panther car, yeah that was reminded within a month with an h. Sounded like my buddies old 72 LeMans and actually less responsive than when it was single factory. Even NASCAR's use a x pipe to balance the exhaust between the banks. An h is slightly cheaper and no real difference unless your really adding serious power.

[@ambush8502]

When I got mine it had straight duels.

[@cardinaloflannagancr8929]

@@ambush8502 Was it purchased new of the lot this way and what year? No H pipe is both notably louder(drone) and would not be identical hp/tq mpg to those with.

[@redpillproductionscanada5563]

Can't you just count the bolts on the valve covers?

[@Spad68]

Can't stand the hole fly by wire . Thats why i prefer the Windsor. The fly by wire just never feels right .

[@6StrngWzrd]

Ford has been using "Romeo's" and "Windsor's" in the F150's since 1997. You also can't swap the Intakes from a Windsor to a Romeo. It will leak water in the back right corner where the Intake meets the head.

[@eriv4735]

That’s not a Romeo vs Windsor issue..that is an npi vs pi issue

[@francesco1998]

So you could just tell by the the vin number. If it starts with 1 it was built in the States (Romeo). If it starts with 2 it was built in Canada (Windsor).

[@kerrygold6494]

Mine starts with a 2 and according to Ford it's a Romeo.

[@StumpyVanLife]

It does not matter where the car is built, it matters which engine plant the engine came from. Most if not all Crown Vic's have Romeo regardless if they are Canadian or US built.

[@joshuastittshall8688]

2:00 Cletus...Etis-Deletis.

[@projectcrowdsurfer3732]

Also the romeo has a cam gertle. The winsor did not.

[@zaya.916]

Where specifically do I find the w or R on the block

[@Rhayek99]

Isaiah Mcknight right on the side

[@fiddle24v]

@@Rhayek99 Wow, that's descriptive; You really helped that guy didn't you?

[@Rhayek99]

Fiddle I mean shit, it’s literally a massive letter in the side of the block lol

[@6StrngWzrd]

Isaiah...Just get the 8th digit of the VIN# and call your local Ford Dealer. They will tell you.

[@zaya.916]

Radwan Hayek the funny thing is there not one on my block from what I can see. The one I’m looking for it on is a 2008 crown Victoria interceptor. My 2001 I still have has it on the block. Maybe I’m just not seeing it on my 08 idk

[@Omararmendariz9565]

Spoiler alert if any1 reading this b4 watching the whole video one is aluminum block ( i think romeo & its a 6bolt main) & the other (maybe windsor or other) is iron block. Major difference 😆. I still see older models well some with the wire throttle body.. Not all those mr.random lol

[@lowslo9287]

Omar Armendariz also Windsor is an 8 bolt main they’re better engines

[@MementoVita]

Gotta remake this video since the etis ford site shut down

[@garyr7027]

This is like asking what's better... a Ford or a Ford?

[@Project-gr6zy]

97 that 4.6 released in the u.s. as the triton 5.4 part of the new modular series and replaced the old school Ford 5.0 windsor

[@mikec81]

the modular v8 was released in 91

[@Project-gr6zy]

@@mikec81 my bad forgot that

[@limabravo6065]

Not to nitpick but the 06 is a mercury

[@MrRandomReviews]

its a marauder front end conversion...i did it myself

[@whatsreallygoingon253]

I had a romeo thay shit was bulletproof

[@VincentVader]

That website doesn't work as of right now 2023 when I checked.

[@aspieotaku3580]

Mines got the Romeo engine.

[@robertginnini4737]

Iron block all the way

[@lowslo9287]

Robert Ginnini yes

[@nickdarnell39]

*Video Starts* Me: HOLY FUCK IS THAT EMILIO?!?! 😱 Also Me: Wait a sec... that doesn’t sound like Emilio 😂 Loving the video man keep up the quality content 🤘🏻

[@radomarkovic8870]

Link not found is what I get

[@oskarkarrera]

Dang SupaCharge ? Dang I wonder how many components need to be changed to be actually supercharged

[@prushimush]

Forged pistons and rods, the stock (cast? hypereutectic?) don't like boost much in stock 2V 4.6 engines. The stock cast crank is fine. Blower cams would probably help too, but aren't needed.

[@patricksmith926]

Broooo it’s funny we make those engines here in Michigan now when u say a Windsor motor or Romeo motor thats the city It was put together at I get now it’s the same motor though just made in a different location 😂😂😂