'Cruel and vindictive' private school tax 'designed to divide': 'if it is not broken don't fix it'

[@russellwilliams1163]

Labour just want to make sure that the working classes stay working class.

[@paulsaintclair9761]

That has always been the plan in my opinion ?????

[@robertadams1054]

How many Labour MPs past or present little darlings go/gone to Private Schools. Bloody hypocrites.

[@russellwilliams1163]

@@robertadams1054 Communists want to keep the working class uneducated so they can control them. Communist countries have always done that.

[@yourstruly5706]

Yep, the richer people become, they become anti-government and anti-theft.

[@richardc3194]

Will labour also put 20% VAT on useless university degrees, as this would be the same argument ?

[@andymcdonald8922]

The tories put a 9k per annum tax on that already

[@andymcdonald8922]

@@user-br1bg6ld7i tories and lib dems raised them to 9k

[@MinkieWinkle]

andymcdonald8922 No they did not, they CAPPED the fees. Since they were climbing uncontrollably, had they not stepped in, uni would cost double what it does now

[@lindemelhuish3206]

Politics of envy, as ever. Parents work hard to send children to private schools as well as paying tax towards the state sector. Not all schools have boarders & the % of overseas boarders varies tremendously. Many schools are small schools & do not have the income for adding 20% to the fees. It will also discriminate against those with special needs.

[@brianpotter3870]

Labour Party - Levelling Down.

[@user-rt1rh9py4v]

Commies on the prowl.

[@alastairharris1866]

We have a long standing tradition that we don't tax education. So absolutely no, we should not be raising VAT on private school fees. And in any case Labour don't have a mandate for this policy. They have 35% share of the vote. Not 51%. About time we stopped this ridiculuous thing of allowing seats to dictate votes in the commons, rather than vote share at the election.

[@basher5013]

My granddaughter went to a public school, her parents give a lot up to afford a better education for her, no holidays, etc.

[@richardleach5514]

Private schools aren't businesses. Current VAT rules dictate you don't charge VAT on educational services regardless of whether you are a business or a charity.

[@user-pl4ut8xf8c]

Well labour needs as much of our money to enable to pay for children's breakfasts. As parents can't be bothered to feed their children

[@stuartfletcher9742]

Labour encouraging Class Warfare. We had this in the 60s and 70s.

[@paulmessenger9836]

Thats what people say went they become jealous with hate

[@MinkieWinkle]

user-bf2gt2tf2x What is it the public are always moaning about, the money, finance etc basic day to day life things are not taught. Yet, when people do send their children to schools that DO teach those things. You lot then moan it's unfair. Here is a thought, stop trying to drag people down, and demand you get raised

[@user-br7pu7xl4k]

Bad idea ! It will also affect people in the lower income bracket who want to go to private schools!! Labour will fail !

[@cordoroy9515]

This comment is 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@user-br7pu7xl4k]

@@cordoroy9515 ha hah

[@andymcdonald8922]

So people in the lowest bracket income are sending their kids to private school? This will affect absolutely no-one from that demographic

[@krishnagondhea7428]

I don’t think Starmer has been advised properly on this. He just wanted to get into power so adding VAT on the so called privileged was a way to get more votes.

[@DavidBrown-bs7gg]

Standard politics of envy by Labour

[@cordoroy9515]

Most of Labour MPs are privately schooled. 😂😂

[@scottwhat3362]

@@cordoroy9515 Self Awareness was never a progressives strong point.

[@Rosemary-iz5vc]

Parents should provide their children with breakfast. I grew up in the 1950’s my parents were working class my father was a labourer and my mother a cleaner, my three siblings and I never went to school without breakfast.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

AGREE

[@footube3]

If Labour really cared about equality and good outcomes they'd close all the state schools, so that everyone could have a private school education.

[@cordoroy9515]

Silliest comment of the week award @footube3

[@user-br7pu7xl4k]

@@footube3 very good point 👉

[@user-br7pu7xl4k]

@@footube3 very good point 👉

[@footube3]

@@cordoroy9515 , look into charter schools in the US, which are lower cost than state schools but yield much better results than state schools, and tell me that it's still a silly idea.

[@cordoroy9515]

@footube3 Charter schools are in no way private school education. You suggested we close down state schools and replaced with private. This was a silly comment and it got the silly comment of the week award.

[@davidsmith8728]

Labour do not like the private school system - unless it is for their own children. Then it is OK.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Levelling down That sums up labour

[@moumouniadjana8152]

If you ever wondered why Britain is in this economic mess, these sort of policies is a good example. I already pay taxes and the government is meant to provide FREE school from the proceeds of my tax. The government has failed in its duty and i opted for private education which further helped the government by reducing the burden on public schools. Why on earth will you further tax me for bailing you out? Education is the government responsibility.

WHY DON'T YOU HAVE YOUR CHILD EDUCATED ABROAD? AND ENCOURAGE HIM/HER TO STAY PERMANENTLY ABROAD?

[@marianlonge3060]

He’s making sure disadvantaged kids never get a greater education

[@londonman8688]

VAT on education breaks ECHR law

[@jayaitch2194]

Many of them are able to send their children to the best state schools, some people don't have that option; my sons' went to a tiny independent school, I effectively paid to educate 4 children, my own 2 and the 2 spaces there would have been for my sons' in the local state school that they didn't take up. This policy stamps all over the efforts of some hard working parents who want to give their children more opportunities they had.

[@FunctionalFoodie]

Parents paying for private education have already paid into tne state system via their taxes - fund scholarships to increase social mobility and opportunity, don't create a bigger divide.

[@davidbarrass5210]

Its a self defeating process. Pupils moving from private to state schools = less revenue collected + more expenditure to offset more state school requirements.

[@Sparkly14]

What about the families who are in the forces, they often send their children to boarding school whilst serving abroad.

[@user-il1zt8sp5g]

The biggest lie of this policy is that private schools don’t pay VAT they do they pay vat on all their consumables, building work etc which they can not reclaim. - last year private schools paid £5.1 billion in VAT which isn’t able to be reclaimed. They also saved the state £4.4 billion in education places not taken up in state schools. Once they charge vat they can reclaim it which by most estimates will be £600million - £1 billion a year!!

[@user-il1zt8sp5g]

@@johnkitching2248 the point is they currently can’t reclaim any vat expenses but once they charge it they will. So the treasury is currently +£5.1 billion (as anyone with a brain could figure out from my comment) Also in the first year they can reclaim any vat from building or maintenance works incurred from the last 10 years! Also once the start reclaiming vat the magical £1.6 billion Labour want to raise will quickly go down!!

[@alastairharris1866]

it will raise nothing, and it will take away opportunity for all those children who are not at Eton or Repton, but whom do benefit from the specialist skills they need. It really is a shameful policy.

[@redwellieswellies3367]

One person speaking on gbn said its illegal to do this to private schools so use the legal system to fight it

[@gosskamperis2016]

WHY is it WRONG to strive to give ones children the best advantage in life?

[@gosskamperis2016]

@@johnkitching2248 Not at all. I am able to teach my children the basics of my profession. That doesn't stop you from doing likewise for your children. I can choose to abstain from bottle of wine with my dinner or some beers with my friends and spend that money on extra tuition for my kids, that doesn't stop you from doing likewise. I'm not putting anybody at a disadvantage. If you choose to disadvantage your children, that's YOUR choice. BTW, the biggest gifts you can give your children are your time. your love and a sense of pride in whatever they do. That's all I got because that's all my parents had available.

[@gosskamperis2016]

@@johnkitching2248 So you're advocating a race to the bottom?

[@gosskamperis2016]

@@johnkitching2248 Not at all a deflection. If we don't (and I stress WE; you, me, everybody) don't help our children grow; if we don't teach them and support them to the best of our abilities, there's only one way and that's down. (That's my understanding of the cliché "race to the bottom".)

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Nothing

[@sarahcrowther6267]

I went to a private school as did my sister....our parents worked 2 jobs each to pay for us and eventually sold 2 houses and bought 1......not just to pay fees, other reasons involved. I certainly came away a much better person than i wud have done if i was at state school. This comparison has become much more noticable in my later years.

[@Ytremz]

"I certainly came away a much better person than *i wud have* done if i was at state school." Should have gone to a grammar school by the looks of things.

[@El.Cid17]

I went to the local Comprehensive, and came away alright, and some in my year are millionaires.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@sarahcrowther6267 My sons went to private school for a couple of years and then to a good state school. It certainly gave me some insight. I dont agree with the new VAT policy. However, I do assure you that your private education did not make you a 'better person's than those who attend state schools. Your experience seems to have made you arrogant and the curriculum seems to have missed teaching you grace and good manners.

[@sarahcrowther6267]

@@El.Cid17 so, wots ur point......they prob worked hard.

[@sarahcrowther6267]

@@shelleyphilcox4743 errr no luv, it teaches a hell of a lot more but i wont waste my time on u.

[@user-ox6qf8qj1k]

This lot just want to drag everyone in England downtown their level…. Levelling Down I think we could call it - what a shower

[@midgemagoo]

They just want everybody to be as thick and stupid as members of the labour party.

[@michaelelliott556]

More kids don't have internet than go to private schools

[@carly_w3867]

Aaron you DO NOT have a clue on how big this picture actually is!! What about independent schools for children with special educational needs who couldn’t get an Educational Health and Care Plan, hence their parents have crippled themselves financially to simply be able to have their child in a school that can meet their needs instead of letting them rot in a mainstream school that dosent understand them! Let’s also remember they’ve had to do this because the state can’t provide it and so they have taken matters into their own hands because they love their kids!! Yes - some private families can afford the 20%, but what about those who are already at breaking point paying for fees because they had no choice but to send their kids privately because the state turned their back and the alternative of leaving them in the wrong school was unimaginable and they weren’t willing to do it! Yet again the middle men are punished by the lefty Labour Party 🤢

[@janpetersen7440]

The parents who can afford it send their child(ren) to private schools to learn what they don't learn in public schools.

[@justingraham1886]

Not sure why Academies aren't going to be in line for VAT as they are all private businesses! 🤔 It's purely vindictive.

[@BV-co7hy]

I went to private school in the 1970’s early 80’s It was awful but hey I’m GenX and I learnt Very quickly how to survive.

[@ronselby8535]

Do universities pay vat?

[@philiphayton8261]

And with the NHS Labour said they want the private sector to deliver shorter waiting list - crazy to burden the state with more kids.. plus the parents paid tax on their earnings so its a tax upon tax for teaching our kids

[@stuartsutherland7664]

It's not cruel and vindictive! These schools are businesses and should pay VAT like other businesses.

[@Michelle_Kemp]

Stop calling them businesses, they are not! My daughters school does so much for the local community, fund raising and allowing state school students access to the school facilities

[@anneheard9381]

I wonder if he has kids

[@boycemi]

I don't know why the MSM has not picked up on this vat on education breaks ECHR LAW

[@ICanSeeClearlyNow]

The lefty argument should also apply to Universities based on the private business argument.

[@colinwilson3750]

I'm not sure you can compare spending in the 70's to today. Funding in the 70's bought a lot of slates and chalk, blackboards too but not so many laptops and interactive smartboards today

[@jamesgill6213]

distracted by "businesses" ........its the parents (hard working and high taxed) who will be affected not the schools

[@barbarahuff117]

Touching in. Glad to see you

[@londonman8688]

what about all the kids that got moved to private schools because they could not cope in state comps and they might have special needs

[@v4nno]

How is generating a shed load of money going to produce more teachers? Speaking to friends in the profession, it’s not the money that’s the problem it’s working conditions and OFSTED that’s driving teachers away.

[@londonman8688]

why is VAT not on private nurseries ?

[@londonman8688]

VAT on private healthcare next

[@biggobmalc8118]

If you pay to privately educate your kids in the future, under a labour government if they get their way, you will have to pay VAT on School fees. So, what's the difference if you pay a university to obtain a degree you should be subject to VAT on the University fee’s. OK because some people will fall into the salary bracket whereby, they have to start paying university fees back in which case at that stage they could be reimbursed any VAT that was levied on the fee’s.

[@sjim8384]

I am sure I heard that Captain Flip -Flop wouldn't be able to do this because of something to do with the wonderful ECHR.

[@johnhalton2237]

Imho I don’t think the figures quoted by both guests are not realistic 1. A large number of private schools will close and students will go into the state education system So no extra cash (vat) and extra places to provide and probably more buildings etc 2. The state system is far less efficient so will cost proportionally more to provide a worse education . Money would be better spent to provide more schools in deprived areas which are properly funded and thank the private schools for the money it saves them.

[@londonman8688]

food doesnt get VAT ???

[@mohammedakram188]

It is broke

[@kaedesnex]

Please get more informed guests. "...when you go out you can get bread, eggs and milk, that's really socially useful. If we didn't have that network of logistics and food distribution, we would be in trouble pretty quick. But we pay VAT on it...." We do not pay VAT on those food items. This guy is an barely a midwit, your other guest at least calls him out on the floors with VAT with respect to low income households. 👍

[@davidhowells-rl9li]

How can anyone in the whole if the UK ! State that we are all the same !when their is a definite defining line in human nature? Everyone talks about a level playing field? When their is definitely a rift or gap between the population? Yes if they want to send their children to private boarding schools ? Fair enough, but tax them? Then if their is any surplus wealth create a sponsorship for less wealthy children! Such as military children who are posted out of the country? Or academically brighter children who are working class and can't afford better education ? .

[@coopz1969]

will the money raised cover the rise in costs its going to cost for the kids that leave private schools and go to state schools 🤔

[@claudiojunior9618]

Neil Oliver show without Neil.

[@4tr3x92]

£1,300,000,000 (£1.3 billion) / 6500 = £200,000. I want to be one of these new 6500 teachers that are going to get £200,000 a year... Surely the point of this plan is to pay for more teachers. How about, if you are obsessed with doing it, put a lower rate of tax on to pay for what you need, not to pay for that and your other loony ideas. I for one don't believe it should be done (my kids are in state school and so was I). The people are already paying tax and then paying private. The only people who will be affected are those trying to give their kids a better life.

[@martynwright2519]

Politics of envy

[@lindawilson2582]

Is this the Aaron Bastini show or the Neil Oliver show. Aaron just doing all the talking.

[@noelward8047]

V.A.T. Value Added Tax. I wonder who came up with that idea !?!

[@georgerj2419]

This is EU related. It was introduced to support the EU. The socialist Tory and labour regimes use this to finance their Marxist policies.

[@JulieMalone-oy1ll]

The labs are cold fish anyway

[@paulsaintclair9761]

Taxing white privilege ..... only hurts virtual signallers, in my opinion ??????? Is this really bad ???????

[@bobsocks7575]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[@songscoops4205]

Reduced hours for some employees

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

Private schools are a business! Tax them!

[@krishnagondhea7428]

Yeah and then have 25% going to the state sector and overburden it. And the state sector will never attract more teachers because people don’t want to go into as they are not paid enough. So it’s a non workable idea.

[@user-ox6qf8qj1k]

Starmer 😢