Manual Transmission VS DCT | Cruiseman's Moto Vlogs | 2018+ Honda Goldwing | 2020

I take my first ride ever on a 6-Speed Manual Transmission 6th Generation Goldwing.
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[@arthurstoys7981]

I have gold wings for more than 10 years and in 2021 I had the opportunity to buy a brand new DCT tour and I love it. DCT all Day long.

[@frankward8003]

Yes the clutch takes some adapting too...just like the DCT does....but once you adapt your wonder how it ever felt strange...the way the clutch is setup allows for quick smooth shifting..you barely have to pull the clutch to shift...downshifts at speed with its slipper clutch is very smooth....the ride modes does the same with the 6-speed as with the DCT, except for the shift points...put the bike in sport mode and it feels like it gained 20hp and the suspension feels a bit tighter...Honda did a heck of a job with the 6-speed transmission...huge upgrade over the old models.

[@WazzaMYSTIX]

Thanks, more info in this comment than in the video

[@dennism665]

Your reference to “manual transmission bigot” seems inappropriate. It implies hatred and intolerance. I don’t hate DCTs. You prefer it, and I prefer the MT6. You have your reasons, and I have mine. That’s why they make both.

[@elgringoec]

Yeah. He's probably gotten criticism and is kinda hitting back is my guess. Don't know, though. I have noticed a surprising number of riders who aren't all that adept at shifting.

[@markboysen7670]

Chris, in case you were not aware already, the video and audio starting at 11:00 to about 11:48 are the same an earlier portion. I’ve been following your videos for a while. I wanted to let you know how helpful and enjoyable they are to watch, exceptional work!

[@cruisemansgarage]

Hmmm. Not sure what happened. Thanks for letting me know.

[@mikejacks1939]

I thought I had knocked my playback and had rewound a few minutes

[@cruisemansgarage]

I think I fell into the Matrix during the edit. Or, a time warp.

[@mikejacks1939]

A bit disappointed you didn't really give any thoughts about Manual v DCT which is what the title said. You made more of the 6 speed versus the older 5 speed models. I would have liked to heard your comparisons and thoughts of how your DCT faired against the manual version

[@SBKPete]

Mike, thanks for heads up. I haven’t now wasted my time watching it . Cheers 👍🏻

[@Petesmotoadventure]

Watch my video on my channel I have a six speed and why I bought it over the dct.

[@mikejacks1939]

@@Petesmotoadventure will check it out...I prefered the manual on test rides but chose my dct on better deal

[@Petesmotoadventure]

Mike Jacks I went with the 6 mostly due to personal preference. Next one will be a dct

[@cruisemansgarage]

I thought I said that if you are a manual transmission bigot, the 6-speed is a good one. I prefer the DCT, obviously, since that is what I own.

[@jenniferjohnnychaffin9980]

I’ve had a 2007 Honda Shadow Spirit 1100 since I purchased it new way back then! Recently purchased a 2019 GW Tour DCT, this thing has blown my mind, never did I think I’d be riding an automatic motorcycle around but now that I have I’ll never go back! Want to tell you I appreciate all the detailed GW videos you’ve uploaded, making my new GW life a lot easier!

[@RichDunn]

I think I must've missed the feedback of the DCT vs manual?

[@mikespicer2810]

Great video Cruiseman. I have always had a manual transmission but regret not going with the DCT on my 2018. The manual is really smooth though. I’ve had no problem with the clutch. Stay safe and ride safely.

[@the-d-man1013]

Hey I just watched your video. good video but I felt like you fell short giving us the information we were looking for manual vs. Automatic what was better what was not good about it the features on the automatic over the manual. Kind of left me scratching my head wondering for more information about it. thank you for putting out your videos keep up the good work

[@geraldfrieberg7921]

Agree. This guy is a very nice guy, but I think he likes to hear himself talk. Lots of his videos are replete with too much talk, and very little info specific to the bike. I don't need to hear a weather report...just do a 3 minute video on what your title claims to inform. Then, this guy is ASKING US about the very info he his purporting to put forth. ?????? Whatever.

[@michaellynch2559]

I have the 2018 manual Tour. My clutch works perfectly, the idle remains steady and smooth, and it is the best shifting motorcycle I have ever owned.

[@lorenerickson6578]

Were you considering the DCT? I'm wrestling with which option to go but it sounds like the DCT resembles a moped. I've been comfortable with manual and will probably stick with that as my retirement gift.

[@doesntmatter5704]

Nice GW, love the blue colour, it really looks nice on that bike.

[@kernalclink]

I love my 6 speed manual. I'm glad I chose it over the DCT, although I have to admit I've never tried a DCT, but I just doesn't interest me at all.

[@gilbertogomez338]

I’ve been riding for 42 years, I was skeptical about the DCT, thank God I bought it, its the best that I ever owned. of course, its different from the manual but its better.

[@busterbrown1686]

DCT, holy grail of bikes for me, so fun.

[@cgaralis]

Drive modes change the throttle mapping, Traction Control and the suspension. On the DCT it also changes the shift points.

[@lorenerickson6578]

So, which bike do you prefer: DCT or 6-speed manual? Everyone is raving about the DCT but to me that's like driving a moped. I love to 'disengage' after a long driving stretch and put the bike into neutral, cruising to my stop with no care in the world. I'm leaning toward the manual 6 speed.

[@mikedunn2022]

Cruiseman you are one talented man. I have watched several videos .I really enjoy the videos and professionalism. And just the way you explain things make it easy to understand.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@cruisemansgarage]

Thanks.

[@Hogdriver88]

I wish I test rode a few manuals when I was researching the new Goldwing. I don't dislike the DCT at all, but there's something about the sound of a manual going through the gears and the control of manual shifting. That hydraulic clutch is not adjustable like a cable clutch is. HD is the same way - the friction zone is all the way out near the end of lever travel.

[@lorenerickson6578]

So, you would have rather purchased the 6 speed manual? I am wrestling with these choices but am leaning toward the manual. With DCT, it sounds like one is riding a moped. What are your thoughts?

[@Hogdriver88]

I am very happy with the DCT. It makes riding that much more enjoyable and fun, whether riding long distance on highways or carving mountain twisties. It is far from riding a moped - try one and you will see - especially in sport mode, with or without being in manual shifting mode. My only thought is how it would compare to a 6 speed manual and I would have liked to try one during my 1 year of research, but there were none available. I am happy with my purchase and do not regret it at all.

[@edwardkellar8835]

Chris, the 2020 model has improved throttle response in all modes compared to the 2018. I just traded a 2018 in for a 2020, and promptly took it out for a 3000 mile walk to Michigan from Texas. Seat has also been improved, and I was able to ride 12 hrs without hurting. The new model is hands down much more refined.

[@cruisemansgarage]

I will take your word for the throttle response. You have logged a lot more time with the 2020 than I have. But, the seat is the same SKU from Honda as the 2018 seat.

[@scooter229]

What a beautiful street you live on.

[@cruisemansgarage]

Thanks

[@leanderward6060]

I just got my 2018 in July it's a six speed but is so smooth can't even imagine what it would be like on a DCT

[@wrwebb9272]

I have a 2020 the clutch on mine grabs right when you start to let the clutch out, The driving modes will change engine performance as well. The sport mode gives the bike much more power

[@davidphillips6132]

I’ve never really had a manual bike but I really am spoiled with the DCT

[@jenkpms]

Hubby has the 2018 6 speed, I have the 2019 DCT. I love my bike❣️❣️❣️ Hubby not so much, but hey- opposites attract! This is my 3rd Goldwing (2002, 2009) this 2019 DCT is hands down the BEST BIKE ever❣️❣️❣️😁

[@alp3781]

Hey Jennifer, On a different note, on your 19, do you notice any slight left/right shake around 50 if you let your hands go for a second, on a smooth hwy run, for example? On my 2020 DCT Tour, I have a tiny shimmy. Not sure if it typical on GW. This is my first.

[@jenkpms]

@@alp3781 no shake or shimmy. Have you checked the balance on your front tire?

[@alp3781]

@@jenkpms Going to do both soon. Checking the balance and the tire itself at the dealer. I see posts that it is front tire issues on some bikes. Simply, defective tires. I will let the mechanic ride it and have it in writing. Thank you for replying. Safe ride !!!

[@Petesmotoadventure]

I have the 6 speed and did a video on why I bought it over the DCT. The drive modes are the same on the both models, when it comes to throttle response and traction control on the tour models. The drive modes have nothing to suspension as far as I’m aware since the suspension is not electronically controlled. The clutch on my bike engages sooner than that one, also remember it has a slipper clutch that makes the RPM come up as you let the clutch lever out.

[@synthyawylder3297]

I don't own a GW yet, but I loved the manual shifting on the 2 I rented.

[@thegianteye]

The difference in the ride modes is significant above 4000 RPM. Try it in sport. I only drive economy when I'm riding with Harley's.

[@migueljonz3901]

I'll get a DCT, PDQ when my ALS makes me SOL and I have to apply for SSDI!

[@tomvoncharon6359]

I feel ya!

[@JohnnyC10071959]

In my Honda Hybrid the drive mode effects the response of the cruise control (as well as shifting and air conditioning))

[@glennpotter8344]

You can't "adjust" a hydraulic clutch unit. The clutch not engaging until the top of travel is likely because it is worn out. The revving at idle might because the coolant level is low. On a Honda car if the coolant is low the throttle body does not get the heat it needs to work properly. Not sure on that as I am a Honda Automotive tech but the theory is there. On my 2004 Wing I had to tear it down quite far to get to all the gear clamps it had to stop the coolant leaks. Had the fuel cell out and everything to get to the clamps. I think it had 32 clamps in total Crazy. Overall still love this bike enough to buy it twice...

[@geraldlefebvre7877]

The drive modes are definitely about throttle response, and suspension.

[@lay1back]

And possibly abs response.

[@winginitwithjohn8451]

Great color choice!!

[@byronruhter1480]

The 6 speed manual transmission just got more attractive. Max at Traxxion Dynamics is about to fix the problem of the short shift lever that makes it hard to get the left boot under the lever. This will be a huge fix. The DCT is awesome but now I can enjoy the end of the nagging short shift lever.

[@scottg4669]

Thank you for doing a clutch fluid change video. I have been waiting for it. Scott

[@charliejamz.]

I have my clutch lever set to 5 so it engages almost immediately. The drive modes are for throttle response. Sport is very impressive lol. And rain gives you very little power, and works very well in the rain.

[@deanesonthemove9574]

probably already answered in the comments below ... but yes, the throttle response and 'fueling' from the computer is altered for the different modes. its actually very common. there are many many sport bikes out there that have different modes to 'tone down' the fueling for rain or UP it for sport, etc. This has been out for over 10 years on some yamaha, kaw, honda and suzuki sport bikes.(and others) I love the idea of the DCT. I had a DCT honda NC700 for a little while and it was amazing the fuel mileage and how smooth it was. On buying a new goldwing, I just dont know about the clutch lever & shifter missing. I feel like riding wouldn't be as enjoyable. who knows. everyone online that has the goldwing DCT loves it. But Ive always been a manual trans car guy, and almost always had manual bikes. feels good to ride it and shift gears etc etc. PLUS a lot of slow speed maneuvering is accomplished with clutch lever feathering & slipping. So when considering a new goldwing, the more people I see LOVING the DCT, the more I question getting the manual version. .......... help

[@DonaldLL825]

still waiting for the comparison between manual vs DCT

[@bobcook599]

When I picked up my 2018 GWT6 from the dealership in February 2018, the clutch engaged immediately with almost no dead zone. I had to stop and move the adjustment dial to "3" because I felt unsafe with the way the clutch was engaging. My assumption is that it came from the factory set that way. Scary for me as when I hopped on the bike for the first time, I was in between two rows of new bikes (outside) and I had to make an almost immediate 90 degree turn, followed by going down an incline, having to wait for traffic, and then making another 90 degree right hand turn. The clutch has been fine ever since...

[@jamesb.2064]

On my 2018 manual, the different modes only appear to change throttle response. I don’t believe the "Econ" mode re-maps the engine response otherwise. My clutch also engages right at the end. I also had to get used to that when I got the motorcycle, but don’t notice it now.

[@garytjarks6506]

I've had my 2018 Tour almost 2 years now, this after a 2015. So I think I can make a good call on the difference between the 5 sp and 6 sp. 6 speed all the way, it shifts so smooth and drops the RPM 500 @ 70 MPH. I do not know what the MPG is on the DCT, but I get about 48.5 all day long @ 70 in Tour mode. I've never ridden a DCT, but I will admit that the hill assist is very welcome on the 6 speed. About the clutch friction zone, where is the lever cam adjustment set at? I like mine @ 3, seems to be the best zone for me, but to each their own on all of it.

[@mineaim7066]

I've got the 6 speed. The drive modes affect throttle response. Mine is a base model, but I think on the 6 speed touring model it also affects suspension behavior.

[@datrc51]

I actually adjusted my NT700 clutch to engage that late, 1/4 end of lever release, for quick shifting. Need to get use to that, or else engine would stall.

[@lay1back]

I’m not a DCT type of guy. I want the transmission to shift on my command. I know there is a manual mode, but if you use that, you might as well include a clutch. I don’t even like different drive modes. I think that learning how the bike behaves, and having that continuity is safer. I don’t need buttons to enjoy my ride.

[@arthurstoys7981]

But with the DCT you have the manual mode and the motorcycle turns to a sport car with paddles. It’s fantastic!

[@tomvoncharon6359]

I don't even turn on the radio. Just don't need all of the extra gadgets.

[@michaelglenn2468]

You literally gave me no information to discern the difference between the two versions. You did provide plenty of information for your sponsor and your not free instructional vids.

[@cgaralis]

Also, for the clutch... if you adjust the lever it will feel a lot different. It won't feel like it's engaging at the very end.

[@comsysus7135]

Definitely had the same clutch issue on my 2018 Tour. Adjust the setting on the clutch and it makes a HUGE difference.

[@gnrands50]

Fun edit at 9:51 : "People here just drive - 75% of the way." Excellent moto vlog, but I'm easily amused.

[@cruisemansgarage]

You should be entertained watching a man lose his mind live on KZbin!

[@jfro5867]

Just bought a new 6sp 2019 Bagger (in UK). I have owned a DCT Honda and it was very nice but it does have its quirks so I am very happy about my choice. Sometimes DCT does not know what gear to be in especially when going downhill and it can sometimes be distracting looking at what it’s doing. Yes shifting on DCT going up is very very smooth but on downshifts coming to a stop can often be a bit ‘lumpy’ where a slipper clutch manual would not be. Think the ‘bigot’ remark was uncalled for, choosing a manual box on your motorbike does not mean anything other than that, I want a manual box. Anyhow, horses for courses.

[@frankpellegrino7448]

Can’t speak to the DCT as I’ve never ridden one but having ridden for 50 years I can say that my 2019 tour shifts better than any other bike I have owned. I shied away from the DCT because I was concerned about slow speed maneuvering, I ride mostly two up on this bike. Friends have the DCT and love it and there is no way I can shift as fast as them but I am very pleased with my 6M. There are five positions on the clutch lever, very easy to adjust.

[@roadglide]

@Hoasis Shine Respectfully. That’s what brakes do. They slow you down. Re-read your comment. Makes no sense.

[@lonnie.stephens]

I have driven the DCT, and it is nice, but I’m still a manual type guy.

[@solidsnake3861]

dct seems cool but rather shift and have any possible problems in the future and yeah i am oldschool dont like modes etc

[@hishamtuffaha1]

Thanks!

[@cruisemansgarage]

Thanks Hisham!

[@rickthompson3243]

No the clutch is not that way on my 19 tour. I only have 3700 miles on it though. Sounds like to me that maybe the clutch pressure plates are wore out. Maybe it had an inexperienced Rider for those miles. Who knows? Just food for thought.

[@steelbraided]

I'm still torn. While many supercars are moving to dual clutch trannies and gaining quickness as a result (I understand that a well sorted DCT can shift faster than any hand rowing a lever), I also see a trend away from more "engaging" driving. One thing I covet about and associate with riding a single track motorcycle, is that the need to use all 4 extremities in fluid fashion contributes to making the overall experience more engaging and facilitates the magic of feeling "oneness" with the machine, road and surroundings. No question this DCT is a marvel of technology and even addresses successfully the low-speed issues associated with earlier clutchless executions (thinking about the FJR AE here), but I still remain on the fence.

[@leeschulz7543]

Honda really seems to push the DCT goldwings. In 2021 I went to a Honda demo ride and all the demo goldwings I believe 10 had the DCT no manual transmission bikes. It was in Costa Mesa California with lots of traffic and I wasn't a fan of the DCT lots of shifting up and down and not real smooth shifts. I bought a 6 speed manual goldwing.

[@charliejamz.]

THAT WAS THE LONGEST RED LIGHT HOLY $#!7

[@nonahhadnot7841]

Where are the oil plugs on the manual transmission Goldwing 2021

[@cruisemansgarage]

There is only one drain plug on the manual model at the front of the engine.

[@roadglide]

What about slow speed maneuverability with the DCT Cruise? Requiring artful use of the Clutch, Brake and Throttle aka: Friction Zone? Like when practicing 18’ U Turns, Cone Weaves, Intersection maneuver scenarios posed in the advanced riding classes?

[@busterbrown1686]

You put it in rain mode, and use the back brakes as friction zone. The back brakes are linked to 2 of the 6 front brake pistons. Honda Gold Wing DCT is a awesome machine.

[@byronruhter1480]

Hydraulic clutches on motorcycles tend to have a high grab as compared to cable style clutches.

[@frank9649]

Mmm...never had an automatic..sorta speak.. so I can't comment on that :) I kinda chuckle at the temp, 90's is moderate , that's hot for where I live, moderate for us is 75 :) for the clutch , mine is set up to start grabbing about 1/4 of the way out ; pulling in, the first 1/4 is free play. About the video's, you could sub contract them and view them yourself for quality and content before releasing, that way you get a cut and maintain a good name...just a thought ! thanks, stay healthy !

[@jamesrichardson1455]

Drive mode has a large amount of effect on the clutch operation, especially at low speed. I use econ most of the time, and the clutch engages about midway through the lever travel. I have a 2019 Tour, Manual, and love it. Never a problem running through the gears.

[@markbroughton6494]

I've got a one owner 1984 gold wing aspencade, bought new, still have it.

[@cruisemansgarage]

Nice 👌

[@jeffnabors833]

What about longevity? Would the DCT last longer without repair than the manual? Is servicing an issue? Would the auto have to be serviced more often than the manual? Having a couple bikes, dirt/cruisin ect, jumping back and forth auto to clutch seems almost dangerous.

[@tomvoncharon6359]

These too are my questions and concerns. The service and maintenance issues primarily. If you own and ride more than one bike, you need to pay closer attention to which one you're sitting on. Lol

[@stevemoore6812]

Didn't you get your GW in Oklahoma. ?

[@cruisemansgarage]

Yes

[@SC8terRiderMotoVlogger]

🤗👍☝️😎🇵🇭 Dream Bike 🤩 But I Like DCT version. Thanks 👍

[@mar0zim]

... nobody is interested in specific weather comments. Video without information.

[@jayfurness6695]

Quicker shift when you only pull clutch in a bit.

[@rxs170]

I know how to adjust the throw on the clutch with the dial adjustment, but I would like the clutch to engage sooner. It currently doesn't engage untll the last bit of the clutch release as mentioned in the video. I find this ackward for slow speed friction zone maneuvers. Anyone know if\how\should the hydraulic clutch can be adjusted to accomplish this?

[@lawncatspro6519]

there is a numbered adjustment dial on the clutch lever and also the front brake lever. Adjust each lever to your liking. just push each lever forward and then turn the dial to adjust the throw or engagement distance. I put my on three (3) right when I picked my new 2018 up from the dealer. Experiment the numbers for your self and see what works for you. You can also adjust this on the fly as your driving.

[@geraldfrieberg7921]

I own a '21 DCT. I HATE the incessant gear whine...it NEVER goes away. I can't even hear the engine above the constant high frequency whines and whirring. I so wish I'd have bought the manual version. Live and learn. GLTA.

[@cruisemansgarage]

I have not noticed any gear whine on mine.

[@bjrnarthur9272]

I too own a 21 DCT, best choice ever. No whines and whirring on my bike

[@chadgruver4423]

Seems like Honda is moving away from the manual transmission on their big bikes. Not many cars from Honda can be had with a manual either. Thus far I'm a believer in my DCT, I thought I would use the paddle shifters, haven't touched them.

[@aaronmartinez3879]

Hi Cruiseman. I have a question for you and your followers . I’m ready to buy a Goldwing 2010 without abs brakes system. The motorcycle stills being safe ???? Or you recomend for much to buy one with abs Thanks in advance

[@ronaldcreighton3289]

Get abs

[@ujangjay6703]

Any quick shifts for manual.. Plan to get 2020 manual transmission model

[@davidallen1213]

Over here in the UK you can currently buy a manual bagger GW for 19,999 pounds and the cheapest DCT bagger I've seen is 23,499 pounds. I believe the bikes are the same other than for the gearbox. I would really love to get a DCT bagger but is it really worth spending 3,500 pounds more than for the manual version....that's a heck of a lot more cash!?

[@dougbongle3192]

David Allen )

[@howierides]

This video was enjoyable to watch despite not being able to see your rearview. (_|_)

[@RoyceRobinson]

My 2014 manual seems to be clunky when changing gears

[@patriciabramble6704]

There is an overlay on the audio of the video. A lot of footage lost from the stop light.

[@cruisemansgarage]

My edit really got screwed up this time. Sorry.

[@chipset2900]

Cruiseman; I probably missed the story, so you're gonna have to explain why a guy who sells complete maintenance videos has his bike at the dealer for an extended stay :-)

[@mikejacks1939]

he has been making some maintenance videos on other models so has borrowed bikes....from what i heard on his previous video

[@cruisemansgarage]

I rode my bike to the dealership and left it there while I rode the manual transmission bike back to my place to shoot some videos.

[@motionlessmerc8936]

you dont know what the drive modes do on the bike, and your asking the comments? You are on the bike, just do it and find out!

[@ericswild]

That idles doesn't sound right.

[@NoWay-xu1ie]

Yesterday I demo rode a 2018 6 speed . I've rode a friends DCT and It was awesome. But from a simplicity point I would buy the 6 speed. I'm sure there is a lot of electronics that control that DCT transmission. After riding my 2013 FJR with a Russell seat I was really disappointed with the GW seat. Otherwise everything about the GW was better. Super smooth engine and ride.

[@rooster3019]

Smooth shifting? listen to the KLUNK on your first two shifts while pulling out. The idle transition map of the ECU needs to be run through its initiation procedure. With bike motor COLD, and without even touching the throtle, in neutral, centerstnded, start the motor and let it adle until the temperature gague reaches its "full warm sweet spot" and continue to idle for about 5 minutes. Then switch the ignition off. The idle be stable and the transition from idle to higher RPM programing will be better. prs

[@cruisemansgarage]

Nothing compared to the klunk of the 2016.

[@davidallen1213]

You should hear the klunk when engaging gear on my (new) BMW K1600 GT!!

[@frankward8003]

Cruiseman simply hasn't learned how the bike can be shifted..he clearly said it was his first time with the 6-speed...mine is much quieter shifting..like with anything you learn how to work it better...the 6 speed is a huge upgrade over the old model

[@aeroplod]

@@cruisemansgarage Rooster could be right. You commented on the engine 'hunting' at idle and this could be seen on your rev counter. This could well indicate the need for a reset.

[@RanGer-498]

Is the dct covered under warranty?

[@cruisemansgarage]

Of course. It's part of the drivetrain.

[@RanGer-498]

@@cruisemansgarage was not sure since its a clutch but not a traditional clutch system

[@michaelglenn2468]

You literally gave me no information to discern the difference between the two versions. You did provide plenty of information for your sponsor and your not free instructional vids.

[@TheWoefman]

No fooling, he is great guy though, but all youtubers alike title (clickbait) sells