Would you have found the bet three bet on the river that Nate did?
@thrylos32 Жыл бұрын
Not in a million years 😂. Just call and move on the next hand
@PokrRat777 Жыл бұрын
No way. This is such an unlikely line for a set to take. It worked out here, but I'm almost never expecting to get called by worse unless the player is completely clueless.
@jameswalker7420 Жыл бұрын
I'm usually just calling because I think most players are probably folding anything less than 65 to the shove. Does QT even call our 60 lead on the turn? I think villains range when he raises river here is J9cc, J9hh, 44, 65, and bluffs. Many villains will fold 44 to the shove, so I'm not sure I'm on board with the shove unless there's some bluffing dynamic going on. And 44 flatting the turn and then raising the river is very strange. The more I think about it the more I just don't see this shove making sense unless villain is a drooler.
@bradleyhines604 Жыл бұрын
I would have just called. I would be afraid of all combos of J9 or 96. Villain shouldn't have those, but in a 2/5 game, people show up on the river with all kinds of BS they shouldn't have.
@patrickjordan2233 Жыл бұрын
Have to 3b/jam IMO...
@spacecadetsMia Жыл бұрын
One of the best videos posted in a while. I like how the caller asked what you would do first, you than give a detailed explanation on what you would do and why. Then the caller explained what he did and why. This was very informative and easy to follow learned a lot.
@jamesmcginn6291 Жыл бұрын
I agree. The caller's thoughtfulness made this very educational.
@mikepostleisinnocent2861 Жыл бұрын
"with us have the 6 of clubs I completely eliminate 69cc" made me laugh so hard the way the way he said it.
@adamsmithintin2803 Жыл бұрын
@3:00 I don't think fish sre folding medium pairs preflop is you raise from the BB there, so I think that logic isn't great
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
For sure. If I had 4-9 pairs I'm in to his BB preflop raise knowing it will be at least 3 way
@davidclark62603 ай бұрын
@@nicholasdemetriades9154I had the same thought but I guess you have to assume everyone plays somewhat standard and the players that don't won't effect you EV over time????
@Apocalypse_Promotions Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Bart. The thumbnail title fit perfectly for this one. I strive to think in this context on a natural, regular basis. Thank you.
@loose4bet Жыл бұрын
I don't see how any limper is folding any pair, suited connector or incidental broadway hands to a single raise from the blinds. The "avoiding getting coolered by raising" hands like this theory doesn't make much sense IMO.
@nuklearwinter2892 Жыл бұрын
Yeah… in Texas there is zero chance any limpers fold unless you make it absolutely massive pre and you might get 1 fold. Then you’re playing a bloated pot out of position with a hand that rarely flops well enough to continue confidently.
@jameswalker7420 Жыл бұрын
I agree, nobody is folding any pair that they limped unless we make some giant silly raise. I'm shocked at the discussion of that it seems like nonsense jibberish. And the idea that we're doing it to try to to avoid set over set situations that are very rare just makes the discussion extra stupid.
@DescartesRenegade Жыл бұрын
Especially not at these stakes. Even suited 2gappers find a call in late POS
@noThankyou-g5c Жыл бұрын
some limpers will fold but generally people that limp are only going to fold to like 1.5x pot and when u get called you’re probably beat but you gotta be ready for them to blast off 100% of the time. I dont mind raising limpers just bc theyre generally so bad that i can just dip out of the pot when I miss and get stacks in when i make a premium w almost no bluffs and they generally dont notice
@colintimp1372 Жыл бұрын
You also have to realize that most players think of bets in terms of money; not in terms of percentage of the pot or implied odds. Some players don't want to call $100 bet regardless of whether the pot is $100 or $1000.
@TheStayFlyGuy Жыл бұрын
If we play as the villain, and raise the river for value with bottom set, and then get 3bet for an all in sizing(pot), should a fold ever be considered? Villain in video snap called with bottom set, but how often are river 3BETS bluffs or worse value?
@hn7933 Жыл бұрын
I would fold bottom set, it's a limped pot. The ranges are uncapped and should be read by aggression, not position or player history, especially on the river. I would never raise river here with bottom set if I x/c the turn.
@hn7933 Жыл бұрын
T9 was the double gutter hand you were thinking of bart :) @9:50
@Peter-zg3em Жыл бұрын
One of the better calls in a while. You can tell this guy plays And studies a good deal.
@ashypharaoh8407 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Fantastic call and great play
@grimaceburgers4491 Жыл бұрын
Have no idea what villain was doing on turn or river. How do you not raise turn and why would you raise river then proceed to snap call when a ton of hands beat your bottom set now.
@The20thHijacker Жыл бұрын
He figured out that hero had clubs
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
My guess is dude was on tilt,stuck or tired and ready to leave. It happens! A lot!
@sean3533 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what I would do to the 3! on the river if I were CO with 65 ❤️
@patrick_kyker Жыл бұрын
I see people slow play sets all the time waiting for a safe card and lose so much value.
@SeanC_BKK Жыл бұрын
Old Man Coffee and this is how you stack'em
@GetMeThere1 Жыл бұрын
A really educational one. Very helpful. Thanks for putting it up.
@jameswalker7420 Жыл бұрын
Very villain dependant. I think villains river play here is worthy of discussion. If you somehow arrived at the river in villains position with 44, and hero leads 120 at you, how do you respond?
@maff_ Жыл бұрын
It’s gotta be a call with all the straight draws completing. If you are Villain here, the Hero has a lot of the 2 pair combos that you beat, but also has 77, and all straight combos. The only 2 pair combo that calls is likely QT and some Q8/7, but the rest of calling/raising hands you lose to
@jameswalker7420 Жыл бұрын
@@maff_ I don't even think QT is in heros range as played. Q7 and 87 make sense, but the call flop lead turn line almost always will be a hand that improved on the turn. QT isn't leading turn huge like this. And some QT is raising preflop too.
@maff_ Жыл бұрын
@@jameswalker7420 good points! I agree with all, and that all makes it even more of a pure call
@jeffshackleford315211 ай бұрын
I would probably call or have already gone all in on turn.
@conephompany Жыл бұрын
what do you mean by 1/4 of a combo of j9hh?
@colinmurphy3478 Жыл бұрын
3:40.If they are deep, people are just going to set mine you all day with their lower pocket pairs, so you aren't folding out 22-55. If you raise to 120, people should call with their low pocket pairs. You are 180 bbs deep, so he is calling 90 to possibly win (930 implied odds), meaning he has 10.3:1 on a call'. So, he has the odds to set mine. A useful follow up should be raise sizing, because if you want to fold out those hands, you need to be going around 180.
@mistafabro Жыл бұрын
Very interesting hand!
@benpage8413 Жыл бұрын
I haven’t made it to the result yet, so this could look foolish, but I am expecting to be called off by a lot of sets in a pot that was limped multiway preflop. Of course a set should be looking deny flush draws on flop and turn, and therefore we should have seen them earlier. However there are definitely OMCs in the player pool who will hold sets here and wait until the river because they want to be absolutely certain there are no flushes out there, before waking up and raising on the river.
@fluffysheap Жыл бұрын
I think this is a good raise, from opponent perspective we have so many two pairs, mostly Q8. Neither of us should have J9 or 69 because that wouldn't bet flop and shouldn't call flop. 56 clubs is the only reasonable straight we can have and 88 the only reasonable better set because QQ would raise pre. There are just not that many ways we can beat 44. There is another factor which is that when there's a straight draw and a flush draw and the flush misses, sometimes people will somewhat undervalue the straight, first because we are psychologically more worried about the bigger threat but also because straights can easily still lose. Overall I like the all in but I'm not sure if I would think of it at the time.
@swg2002 Жыл бұрын
55 will never limp fold pre to a squeeze from the BB. And they never should.
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
100%
@veteranpokerpro Жыл бұрын
Definitely need to come back down to Jacksonville Bart 🤙🏼🤙🏼
@mkader2494 Жыл бұрын
Congrats, caller, well played omg.
@kineahora8736 Жыл бұрын
I don’t buy that anyone will be forced out of a multi-way pot with 44 or 55 when you raise the BB if they are doing all this limping… Im gonna bet my combo draw on this flop about 30% pot. Hmm maybe I shld be checkraising this? In any event, I definitely lead the turn. At least 70% sizing. Normally you go smaller in multi-way spots. But with this board being so dynamic, the button is going to have really good odds to call so maybe more like pot here. River: nuts do change, so im gonna block bet 15-20% pot ($30-40). Planning to call a raise. I don’t play that many people who will raise QT if I lead for 50-70% pot. But I do think QT can raise a block bet.
@jameswalker7420 Жыл бұрын
Agree about the pairs limp folding to a bb raise. Embarrassingly dumb idea. I think everyone is also ignoring the fact that neither villain nor hero played this hand in a way consistent with QT. Definitely not hero.
@joelhartstack3744 Жыл бұрын
Thinking that raising his BB will fold out 55 66 etc so he doesn't get coolered is ludicrous for small stakes. Players aren't folding pairs pre when BB raises
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
depends on how tight he is, or good of a player, can he put you on 65 c no.
@joek1121 Жыл бұрын
When you say you only need people to fold 60% of the time to be profitable, how do you figure that percentage out? 35% to hit flush minus odds of better flushes plus other equity roughly equals 40%? I have no idea.
@jacobgoldman5780 Жыл бұрын
As mentioned in the call the only real hand we fear is J9 of clubs, and thus is easy jam if only 1 combo realistically beats you as have hard time believing J9 of hearts bets the flop.
@MrPhilaCuse Жыл бұрын
What games do you guys play in where J9h never takes a stab in position.
@well.thy.one. Жыл бұрын
56 hearts and J9 hearts are both possibilities in this hand making it 2 combos in those respective situations
@melvinbajrovic1313 Жыл бұрын
Those hands don’t bet flopp
@Womenandwine Жыл бұрын
I agree in the games I play in those hands are being bet and checkraisef on that flop. Especially J-9 h
@well.thy.one. Жыл бұрын
@@melvinbajrovic1313 probably not as often as clubs but still yes
@notNaB2024 Жыл бұрын
5h6h is also likely holding for hero, isn't not?
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
Only difference is I might have min raised preflop to inflate the pot in case I hit out of position. Not likely to get 4 bet pre with so many callers. Kind of a limit holdem tactic.
@NineInchTyrone Жыл бұрын
Can you beat top pair ?
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
100% 3 bet. The guy was probably not aware of the BB range or didn't read the hand street to street. Bad raise on the river! Like Bart said raise earlier.
@danielmeuler2877 Жыл бұрын
This is a great example of why you Never enter a Multi Limped Pot. 44 should have raised preflop. Then he slow played his flopped set and Trapped himself in the end. Slow playing Sets is also a Giant Mistake.
@mikeh7917 Жыл бұрын
96 of ❤??
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
vs qt or set all in
@terrysword7739 Жыл бұрын
I think I play too much plo because I couldn’t get myself to raise here. If I raised a set on the river and got 3 bet I’m snap folding lol
@radicaltjeNL Жыл бұрын
A9? 16:43
@rogerho7 Жыл бұрын
Can someone explain how villain has 20% of 9 combos of Q10 here?
@khalidalshammari3566 Жыл бұрын
Its because he said the villan would only raise QT 20% of the time on the river
@PokerTy Жыл бұрын
you have to build the plot there omfg
@BLUFFIRL Жыл бұрын
Not jamming river would be a horrifying mistake
@brettmasonmedia Жыл бұрын
Sets on a turn with two flush draws? It’s a rare player that doesn’t raise their set there.
@lloydchristmas1086 Жыл бұрын
Hi Burt ❤
@charlesdavis405 Жыл бұрын
If I'm the villain, I'm probably losing my stack too. It would come after shoveling money in on the turn though.
@alwaysup2211 ай бұрын
i thought pocket 10's made most sense for any hand with how it was played until river. 4,4 - what a newb play in 2-5
@onthebeach8211 Жыл бұрын
he expects to fold low-mid pairs for what price? He making it 50?
@FuzzypupPoker Жыл бұрын
Raise small pairs out of the blinds? Not i'm my game, they still call with small pairs.
@Tapewars Жыл бұрын
I honestly thought he River set of tens
@CN4891-c1z Жыл бұрын
@2:15, Tailoring a preflop strategy based on a scenario that comes to fruition less than 1% of the time. Such a waste of poker analysis.
@frederickmccabe5675 Жыл бұрын
Not raising a set on that flop, or turn? At these stakes I think this villain is a population of one.
@MrPhilaCuse Жыл бұрын
It's hard to raise yourself.
@Love1isall Жыл бұрын
Bread and butter
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
all in on river.
@academicdeaneducation6671 Жыл бұрын
The guy didn't see the straight. We assume the opponent is omnipotent. They aren't.
@patrick_kyker Жыл бұрын
I still can't imagine getting called by worse.
@CrushlivePoker Жыл бұрын
You’ll get called by every single hand that raises the river for value.
@FuzzypupPoker11 ай бұрын
I guarantee they do not fold small to medium pairs.
@stevenundisclosed6091 Жыл бұрын
I want to smack the caller for not check raising the flop.
@brettmasonmedia Жыл бұрын
What games are people folding pocket fives to a raise?
@daithi1966 Жыл бұрын
The caller's voice sounds like an OMC, but he was actually a pretty smart guy who thinks things through really well. I hope not to play against him.
@SeanC_BKK Жыл бұрын
Yup! I used to be that OMC and now I'm a CLP Sub training with Preflop+ and finished CLP courses...OMC_Ninja 🧛♂
@Bobbypinker Жыл бұрын
What a ballsy/stupid way to slowplay trip 4s on a board so wet. The villain deserved to get stacked. He played every street wrong.
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
qt raises , dont see 56 in there. or set of 4
@nysguy07 Жыл бұрын
Play by the villain is terrible.
@jjjj17351 Жыл бұрын
well deserved to lose with a set by playing it like a nit
@nicholasdemetriades9154 Жыл бұрын
Nit of the day!😃
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
on that board, i would wait with sest of 4s to the river if i put you oon a q not a flush draw.
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
impoied pot odds ar one thing but reverse pot oddds are another. if you give a way a pot for, too little.
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
it depends on your image, and who you are playing agianst. there are people who dont lay donwn bootoobottom lol you aingt getting them off. and river a kill you lot of times.
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
lot of times its a line you take, 9t
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
luck is one thing. 80% percentages and playing. and rushes
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
80% luck unless you play agianst horrible players, this sat, first hand, strattle, 37 off, if i call 25 5 ways, i win +50 i loos e iwth kk and aj, flop aj 6 hours , win 200
@lincolnjeon2666 Жыл бұрын
all this figureing out dinnt make any differeance from the flop, all luck. becasue you think aobut for 30 days you think you are playing great, lol on the flop that han going all in less the turn is a club agains any resonable good players bad or bad call would be qt on river all in but then his price in , and the bet by qt is not that bad, top 2 on that board gets paid by any 2 , no flush, beat by set or invisible straight. 80% luck. =