Ninjago's WEIRD Relationship with Christmas

[@Crusty783]

Which Ninjago characters do you think would be on the naughty list?

[@gossamergossamer1930]

WyldFyre without a doubt

[@maryastutzman5654]

Cole, Kia, and garmadon 😂, (but honestly everyone except Zane & pixel)

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

Any and all villains… except the Overlord because he’s so bad that Santa made a separate list just for him

[@gigikju9934]

Harumiiiii

[@gigikju9934]

@@maryastutzman5654wait…why?

[@AW_SOME8]

Ninjago deserves an advent calendar and Christmas themed media like shorts. Sucks that the only Christmas themed Ninjago set we ever got was a Lego employee exclusive that retails for thousands of dollars now 😭

[@sameraldo5950]

As a Kid i Made one myself because there was nothing

[@coolvideoskhatamovs4264]

Kai's hallucination was explained by Tommy saying: "Don’t base your world view on statements from drugged up people. They see and say weird things".

[@JK_Kitten10]

I love that 😂 that's amazing!

[@adbricks]

In crystallized, ronin does mention a possible Christmas equivalent when he says “ looks like celebration day came early” instead of “Christmas came early” but it could be something completely different

[@purplef0xx]

In Crystalized, Ronin mentioned a so called Festival Day where a Gifting Goat delivers gifts

[@DayR-sk8yq]

Harumi won't be in the naughty list because... She's with us!!!!

[@AARIONLP]

That laugh was awsome 0:57

[@miraculousninja5255]

1:46 YES! Thank YOUUUUU! I thought I was the only person who noticed that detail! 😳😅

[@LocalRetailWorker]

6:17 Nah its okay She's with us

[@todyx4848]

But wouldn't it be weird if a show based on eastern asian culture suddenly started celebrating christmas, a christian holiday? I'm also pretty sure that there are probably in-universe kid stories about Santa, elves and gingerbreadmen, it could also explain why Kai was sscared of gingerbreadmen and elves. Maybe elves and gingergreadmen are antagonists in a kids story to make children behave nicely, just how there are real life stories and fairytales about evil witches hiding in the woods and trying to eat abandoned kids. I think it's way cooler if ninjago had its own unique holidays like Day of the Departed, Nya's memorial day and whatever the ninjago citizens were celebrating in the first ep of SoG. It's kinda lame if they just take real life holidays and slap them into ninjago

[@Shaia_TeamLCE]

I’m calling the whole gingerbread and elves being antagonists thing canon from this point on

[@Crusty783]

I agree! If they wanted to do a Christmas special they should absolutely take the DOTD route and make an original holiday that's vaguely based on the holiday in question (in this case Christmas)

[@gigikju9934]

Tbf…I feel like Ninjago has strayed pretty far from its eastern Asian roots. I still think it’d be cool to have some sort of vague equivalent. With the merge, it’s possible that they could throw in some other realm’s equivalent of Christmas and have that be introduced instead of outright making Christmas cannon. On another note…a lot more things have Christian roots than you think. For example: “goodbye” is, if I’m not mistaken, short for “God be with ye”

[@maryastutzman5654]

I love your channel! Finally someone who see’s ninjago for what it really is. A show not just for kids, with genius writing, script, storyline, and excellent comedy!!! I am 19 years old and it still is one of my favorite shows of all time. (Fwi We don’t count the newest adaptations, those don’t count they are so bad)

[@roaarylion5214]

Wdym newest? The new seasons are good

[@majgoatee]

Uhhhhh Dragons Rising is one of the best seasons in years tho idk what ur on about

[@mufinboi975]

The newer season are good. They had trouble settling into the 11 minute era but master of the mountain and seabound and dragons rising season 1 are top tier seasons. But thats my opinion. Its okay if you dont like the newer ones but im just telling you that there is good in these newer seasons.

[@roaarylion5214]

@@majgoatee best season since crystallized

[@maryastutzman5654]

They dumbed it way down for children, and they threw all character development out the window that theses characters have developed over many seasons! They changed the whole vibe, and structure of the show. The dialogue is no longer funny and they switched to a more childish comedy route. Ig if you didn’t grow up watching the originals (like I did) you may not feel the same. Which is entirely ok! To each there own.

[@MagicPotato06]

To be honest I find it hard to believe that Christmas exists in the Star Wars Universe

[@Crusty783]

It doesn't, the Star Wars equivalent of Christmas is Life Day

[@ultrasonic736]

I have a theory about this. Christmas used to be in the world of Ninjago, but it's not anymore. At the end of The Hands of Time, after the ninja change the past, it altered the future and changes the ninja's faces, which is how we get the new designs for the ninja. But I think them changing the past changed more of the future than we thought. First of all, at the very next season, we see...royalty in Ninjago?! Like, if that was always there from season one, wouldn't we have heard about it by now in the last seven seasons? Unless it wasn't always there, but the ninja changing the past made the existence of Ninjago royalty. But what if the time travel also changed something else? Christmas. It sadly took away Christmas from Ninjago, which is why we can hear references to Christmas before The Hands of Time, but never again hear it after that season

[@mihailos8701]

Great to see someone having using their knowledge skills, and thanks for the video

[@BBYNX]

In wu tea shop, Halloween is mentioned, so basically day Of the departed aren’t the same thing. But Halloween is canon, that is if Wu’s tea shop is canon at all.

[@Crusty783]

Wu's teas isnt canon and doesn't really fit into the timeline anywhere

[@BBYNX]

@@Crusty783 Also, this is totally unrelated but, in season 4 when they go on roller skates Master chen says that Lloyds element is actually power, did you know this?

[@Person-wz6iy]

​@@Crusty783 It's set between DOTD and HOT.

[@Crusty783]

⁠@@Person-wz6iyStill not canon. Also that wouldnt work in the timeline anyways as the timegap between DOTD and HOT is incredibly short, as evidenced by LEGO descriptions of the season: "Shortly after Day of the Departed", and context clues such as the Ninja still moving into the Airjitzu temple and the Hall of Villainy still needing cleaning + repair. They would have had to have opened up, ran that tea shop, and then closed it in the course of like, a few days which just cant happen. Also, Tommy Andreasen has confirmed that Wu's Teas isn't canon on his twitter page.

[@Crusty783]

@@BBYNXYeah its really weird how they just didnt know what to call Lloyd's powers for a while there! I'm glad they've since settled on Energy

[@daranaqelforastero319]

0:57 Crusty's laugh is hilarious 😂

[@imaginerejector1429]

I know the video hasn't started yet but I think that while yes, the Christmas references are lines of dialogue, they're weirdly specific as if the holiday or its concepts exist. A lot of the shooting down of the idea of the holiday's existence comes from Tommy and with all due respect to him (I respect his impact on Ninjago but definitely not his at least borderline racist tweet during Crystalized's international release), but Tommy kinda took this "its a fantasy show" take with Ninjago where if the show didn't abide by its own internal logic, Tommy would sometimes chock it up too "well, it doesn't follow real life logic." Younger me asked him about the weird logic at the end of Day of the Departed or Hands of Time, I forget which. And he replied "the show has talking snakes" or something like that, even though I wasn't comparing the show to real logic, but holding it accountable to its own internal logic. Tommy has never used this logic towards the Christmas mentions and references, at least notvto my knowledge, and I don't wanna put words in his mouth and say "I have a strong feeling he would because he said this" (though some things in his farewell stream with TTV show that there were still times recently where the show didn't stick to its own internal logic because they felt like writing something, though they are human, humans forget, and there's other factors as well). But I bring this up to mention another thing, Ninjago's Twitter lore, aka something not in the show, which whether in line with or not is stated by a crew member in canon and thus, adds to the lore, often in major ways. These two things coincide because Tommy says there's no Christmas and he's one of the main forces behind the IP's creation. So there must be no Christmas. But the show doesn't corroborate this. And that brings us to internal logic because again, something that's internally in the show is being ignored. Christmas is eluded to on multiple occasions, though not by name. Now, whether this is due to it being a fantasy show is debatable, but the show having things in it or logic that is thrn contradicted by the crew behind it, on any basis, is confusing. This isn't some hate piece towards Tommy. I'm just saying that some of his approaches to the show's logic on social media are contradictory to what's stated in the show. I can take things like Zane's treadmill line because even if Earth's calendar doesn't exist in Ninjago, its just an object being attributed to a year, a year which could still exist given how long Ninjago's existed. But why reference Christmas characters as if the characters knew who they are if they don't exist? Should we believe the Twitter lore which says it doesn't exist? Or the show that implies aspects of it do.

[@YorksLancsTransportHub]

I'm not reading that!

[@gigikju9934]

Wait…what did Tommy tweet that was racist? I don’t have Twitter…what the heck happened?

[@gigikju9934]

@@YorksLancsTransportHubthen don’t.

[@imaginerejector1429]

@@gigikju9934 Back when Crystalized was releasing internationally, specifically part 2, people were asking questions about it and he was talking about how people wouldn't understand it. Which I understand and I often say that with international releases, that people should wait til its available in ths language they understand. But Tommy wrote about it in a way that came across as mocking of the language. I don't know Whether Tommy's intent was to be offensive or not but it felt offensive

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

In pilots Jay was talking about 3 Kings WHO ceme to Jezus

[@WHYISMYNAMEZ]

In-between the movie wave and sog wave they originally planned on making a ninjago winter set, but it got cancelled and there was even an amazon listing 😭

[@comicfan1324]

They could do something like “day of the giving” or something along those lines be the Christmas equivalent. Specifically it after the religiously-neutral giving to those in need and spending time with loved ones side of the holiday.

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

It’s a mess for sure… Anyway Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it

[@Cainus36]

1:46 how did I not notice that Geckle?

[@Brick_kproduction]

I didn’t even get any gifts this year because I’m in Nigeria right now.

[@cybercat0564]

Christmas to Ninjago is like real-world Animals to Pokemon

[@JK_Kitten10]

Kai gonna be on the naughty list. I don’t think I need to explain myself on this. Lloyd is always first on the nice list because he’s Lloyd he’s literally the embodiment of all things pure and good in the world of Ninjago. Cole is usually on the nice list except when he joins Kai in ridiculing Jay. Jay is the nice list. Nya is often on the naughty list. Zane doesn’t care. Harumi’s on the naughty list fs- Wu is too. Garmadon-strange I know- is on the nice list, Misako is at the very top of the naughty list because- I mean- come on- Edit: yes, I did say Jay IS the nice list. I didn't say he was ON the nice list, no, Jay IS the nice list.

[@MatthewK122]

Merry Christmas

[@glukkogobrrr]

For your queston, i have a slight feeling, maybe JUST MAYBE, Fugidove being the ultimate evil of the all 16/17/1 realms, he would be on the naughty list

[@bedrock_breaker]

6:17 nah she's with us

[@eesarahman667]

Can you do a video on Ninjagos relationship with time travel

[@MintyMit]

Harumi wouldn’t be on the naughty list, she’s with us!

[@Thehalfbrainedbean]

Crusty you have crusty toenails don't hide them 😭 Also great video

[@jamblstair]

One thing you didn’t mention is Ronin referring to a ‘festive day’ during S15

[@Skztts]

Whipmas

[@Crusty783]

real

[@octaviogalicia8179]

Me when I’m building a ninjago set while watching this video 😎

[@lezakithefatlizard1020]

Ninjago's setting are based on asian culture. And most asian aren't christian and don't celebrate christmas. Just like westerns don't celebrate lunar new year or other buddhist/taoist festival.

[@jasonsmith6219]

Ninjago is particularly based on Japanese culture and Christmas is actually pretty popular in Japan so it makes much more sense than a holiday related to the Day of the Departed and Halloween.

[@lezakithefatlizard1020]

​​@@jasonsmith6219​ In japan, christmas is popular because marketing event. And we have Hungry Ghost Festival that like halloween. But instead of giving candy to kids, we make food for ghosts that was our ancestors.

[@archedmash2]

Maybe in the Ninjago universe our real world languages don't exist, and Santa is just the closest thing to whatever Kai said. It would also explain why Dorama used the word Philistines when that word shouldn't even exist in Ninjago.

[@the.axolotlgirl]

They could just not have the Christian part of it boom problem solved

[@reginaldwooster235]

Meanwhile, C.S. Lewis has Christmas in spring in a world with a lion god. Star wars is an interesting case, as it also happens in a setting without Christianity but that's never stopped them from cashing in on Christmas.

[@angelguadarrama3713]

As mexican I love day of departaments special but it's a little bit weird the fact christmas do not exist when is the perfect year comercial imao

[@Person-wz6iy]

But Halloween is also mentioned by Jay in Wu's teas. And Halloween is a Pagan holiday. 3:19 OH MY GOD! NINJAGO IS IN THE DR. SEUSS CANON!

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

No akordint to insparingphilozophy Halloween is not Pegan

[@Person-wz6iy]

@@Pawe10-cs3uy It has both Christian and Pagan roots.

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

@@Pawe10-cs3uy So you trust a christian who claimes that "Jesus Christ is the most important person in history. Without Him, modern society would not exist." to tell you the origin of holidays affecting his religion?

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 why are You so stupid

[@reginaldwooster235]

​@@senittoaoflightning4404 Halloween means holy evening, and it proceeds all saints day and all souls day. It's a Christian holiday.

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

Given how Wu is practically Jesus as the son of the FSM, shouldn't Ninjago's Christmas be revolving around him?

[@RoxBrushh]

They have firstspinjitzumastermas

[@aegis84]

The thing with Tommy talking about Christmas and it needing Christianity… it doesn’t. Christmas is a fundamentally pagan holiday with a religious subtext sticky-taped on. Santa Claus and the iconography of him actually originated from… Scandinavia?? Might have to fact check that. But somewhere in Northern Europe is where the idea of a person coming down the chimney to give gifts originates from. I’m pretty sure it at least. Additionally, a large volume of the traditions surrounding Christmas, namely the feasting, originates from the pagan festival Yuletide. In fact, Halloween as a celebration also has its roots in the pagan festival for Autumn. So too does Easter, however only the egg hunting element and general Spring vibes. Like Christmas, Easter is a conglomerate of a Christian holiday and traditional pagan festival for Spring. It does beg the question what the hell happened to the summer festival, but that’s besides the point. TLDR, Christmas can exist without Christianity and in fact shares it’s roots with festivals like Halloween. The fact that a Halloween adjacent festival canonically exists in Ninjago not only means a Christmas adjacent festival CAN exist, it absolutely should

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

Christmas is not Pegan watch insparingphilozophy and he weel teel this

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

@@Pawe10-cs3uy It is with pagan roots, and mostly exists as, let's call it, roman propaganda (not 100% accurate). The romans had a holiday, saturnalia around the same time until some emperor, forgot his name rn, decided that Jesus was kinda cool and decided to adopt christianity. As saturnalia didn't make much sense when believing in Christianity they kinda replaced it with the more fitting holiday known as Christmas, putting his birth right there. While conquering different cultures they noticed that many of them had similar festivities during a similar time Yule(tide) and other winter solistice holidays (including saturnalia). As these holidays were popular among pagan cultures, yule(tide) being popular in "norse" cultures, This was quite useful in getting them absorbed into their culture. So they explained to them that this really cool guy called Jesus, was born on a specific day during solistice and that they should celebrate him as he is the son of that really cool god they had. Many parts of christmas were established during that cultural assimilation, including stuff like the christmas tree or later Santa riding on a chariot, which was possibly inspired by Odins wild hunt. This mostly helped them to get people to behave and trust the romans, while also spreading the word of their God. Kinda similar things happended with easter where a celebration of the goddess Ēostre was turned into celebrating the big J's resurrection. In short, Romans suddenly liked Christianity and used it as propaganda so everybody likes them more. Fun.

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 why You are so stupid You alredy know that this Saturnalia and yule stave is wrong

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 You are so stupid Santa charitot dasnt have anithing to do with Odin americans were first to imagine him with chariot the christmas tree is from Adam and EVE plays and they That that Jezus deid on march 25 so conseclentyly he had to be bron in december 25 Saturnalia was in 17 december three were not other holideis that christinaty copied and yule is not christmas

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 you are so stupid if You belif this mtyhs about christmas

[@AJZane95]

I personally am glad that Ninjago doesnt have christmas, because it makes it different to other shows. Not everything needs a christmas special, or a christmas theme. And as a Muslim whos grown up in England and having to only learn about christianity at primary school (elementary school), its so refreshing to have a kids show like Ninjago not step into christmas. Its overdone. There are tonnes of shows and movies with christmas specials or themes. If you dont like it, watch something else. Its not that deep man.

[@Crusty783]

I wanna clarify that I don't think that its anywhere near close to the end of the world that Ninjago is inconsistent when it comes to Christmas and just think its a fun thing to point out for a video. As for the rest of the comment thats entirely valid! I can see why Ninjago not wanting to touch Christmas is refreshing for people who don't really celebrate it (which is something I probably should have bought up in the video itself)

[@AJZane95]

@Crusty783 Oh I completely understand both sides here. With the inconsistencies in the show and day of the departed (and a new years) being a thing you'd think they'd have a christmas too, so I do understand either sides of frustration (even though your vids light hearted and fun) so, yh. But, ninjagos gone on for a long time, and if they ever decide to do a Christmas special for dragons rising as both a celebration of Christmas and ninjagos characters, then I wouldn't mind at all 👌

[@jorgegomezespinosa8192]

As a Catholic, it looks like Ninjago needs a little bit of DEUS VULT

[@ethanarraial8248]

Santa is the strongest elemental master

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

Not only Santa bay Kai bat to 3 Kings Also Jay nemed them

[@NahilMuruthala]

Don't hate me but I don't think ninjago should have Christmas or Halloween, it should have its own stuff cuz religions don't exist in it, they should add more days like the Day of the Departed, Zane Day and the Crossroads Carnival

[@Crusty783]

I agree! If Ninjago does cover the festive season eventually I would prefer an original Holiday like DOTD

[@mrbarit529]

If you think of it the religion that created Christmas doesn’t exist in ninjago canon sadly

[@jobbieryan6662]

Kai saw santa 🎅 they should do a Christmas movie and main focus on Kai in Dragons rising Christmas movie or something since he saw santa class in his green eyes from s1 and s2 the cop looks like obi wan his santa claws his obi wan class😅😅😅😅😂😂😂 why not main focus on kai hes the one saw it they could do a movie or do a another ninjago and dreamzzz crossover in dragons rising Christmas

[@weewoo695]

it exists its just not rooted in Christianity

[@JohnDoeReal42069]

1:13 what dose Christianity have anything to do with Christmas?

[@Crusty783]

Christmas is the birthday of Jesus Christ. They call it CHRISTmas for a reason

[@JohnDoeReal42069]

@@Crusty783I never knew that

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

Bikos this is A Chrystian holiday

[@Pawe10-cs3uy]

@@JohnDoeReal42069 are You joking or You stupid

[@R0700]

I usually don’t disagree with you, but I have to on this one. When it comes to Christmas it is a religious celebration, much like other celebrations such as Ramadan , Eid, etc. A lot of franchises put Christmas. I am happy ninjago isn’t going down this path due to Christmas being a religious celebration related to Christianity. Although it is the most popular holiday, I don’t think that it should be added just due to the fact not everyone is Christian or celebrates Christmas. Day of the departed shouldn’t be a thing for multiple reasons as Halloween is a pag*n tradition and many other reasons.

[@NahilMuruthala]

I agree with u, good to know I'm not the only one cuz I'm not a Christian and it's not ok for me that most things I watch celebrates Christmas but not what I celebrate 😢

[@Shaia_TeamLCE]

Halloween is a pagan tradition, but I thought Day of the Departed was just Day of the Dead that is celebrated in Latin America

[@gigikju9934]

I don’t celebrate Halloween (due to religious reasons), but I still thought that Day of the Departed was alright (to an extent… there’s a lot Id personally change about it plot wise). I get that not everyone celebrates Christmas, but I think it’d be interesting if they did vaguely introduced the concept of a “winter themed holiday” or something. (Like, maybe something related to an elemental master of ice going around and giving gifts to the poor? Idk) That’s just my opinion tho

[@AJZane95]

I agree

[@sunnyM42]

i agree with you, though celebrations like halloween are cultural across the globe. almost every culture has a celebration for their dead, asian countries do too i believe, and so ninjago having one makes sense