CRYPTOPSY@Slit Your Guts-Flo Mounier-Live in Brutal Assault 2017 (Drum Cam)

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[@markaust8982]

Sloppy????

[@diabeticmonkey]

If you think it’s sloppy, you’ve clearly never payed attention when listening to any of their albums. There’s an all out chaos to the sound that just works, and it sounds organic, especially on the first two albums. It’s insanity in music form

[@austinpage6961]

Sounds like any minute shit could go off the rails and I love it 🤘

[@prsee5969]

Death metal drumming is basically crazy hectic jazz played fast and hard. Any good jazz drummer could make an excellent death metal drummer and vice versa. It’s just the violence knob that needs to be jacked lol

[@Hedonite]

It is sloppy. And that's why we love him

[@grederlaurent]

bah non@@Hedonite

[@stonytina5177]

Some people like it sloppy. And the rest of you should learn to enjoy it too lol

[@ekthorvd6739]

Damn, people saying he's sloppy, I would like to see any of them try to play these songs for 25 years and being able to play them that good.

[@chillhopdrumz1862]

Whenever someone says that, I just reply with "but the slop is the point.." Its fucking death metal

[@Smurfy10285]

​@chillhopdrumz1862 Just tuned into this comment after randomly hitting play on this video after 3 years.. You're absolutely right.. It's that natural on the scene "slop" that really makes it so good.. The studio version is just editing to make sound as intended but to be able to do these things live is really something else..

[@rustynales4597]

I mean not for George Kolias, Derick Roddy, Or Inferno​@@chillhopdrumz1862

[@matdemaz]

Don't really care if he's "sloppy" here; he earned my respect years ago. He's been playing this fast since before it was even commonplace. It has soul...

[@ContaminatedBeef]

For real. None So Vile blew my fucking mind 20 years ago, and got me into extreme metal.

[@matdemaz]

Same here! Heard Phobophile on the radio in 2006 and was instantly hooked. I later went and looked up the 1993 demo and Blasphemy Made Flesh, shit was insane, loved how strangely relaxing some of the songs were, like Abigor.

[@lifeimitatingdeath3608]

Abigor is THEEE song that got me into Cryptopsy and extreme metal.. Heard it on a compilation demo and was hooked ever since..

[@FreshHennessyRecords]

He is the fuckin g.o.a.t.

[@MetalNick]

He isn't sloppy though. The album sounds the same. He does slightly offbeat blasts a lot.

[@pravused]

People talking smack about Flo.Flo has always been somewhat inconsistent.If you listen to None So Vile you' ll probably hear about 4-5 different snare tones.Same goes with the kicks,it's not exactly a 16th note run always,but that is what's refreshing.He plays like an animal,and there were times that people used to appreciate such performances,for example every single work of Emperor,first albums of Dying Fetus,the list is endless.We 've reached an era where everyone is perfect,digitalized as fuck and the soul is squeezed out of the player in exchange to 100% on the grid tight performances.People don't play like that,most of them don't at least in a live situation so why bother ? We,as players and listeners have made perfect average.How to stand out amongst average perfection ? By being real and honest,just like Flo.

[@metaldad1967]

pravused 8

[@metaldad1967]

pravused Hell man, I don't practice enough to be good at any level so all I can do is just appreciate the skill.

[@jamesmiller6217]

Well said. I just saw him live the other night and I love how he just seems to improvise and play in the moment instead of trying to “perfect” his parts. He’s a beast. Great when I saw him in 1999, great again in 2019.

[@TheOriginalUberfetus]

@@jamesmiller6217 I saw Cryptopsy in Toronto. Shit was fucking nuts. I love his style, he has such a rocker/all out style of playing I can really appreciate. Really hits his shit good.

[@hardcoreallstar]

@Andrew telling flo mournier to perfect his craft lulz

[@HoracioAmiritoDiaz]

I guess no one here in the comments knows of Flo's jazz background. It's so obvious that he's taking a jazz approach to his playing and more importantly the live execution of the songs. To me it's the main reason why he's still an interesting drummer while other speed machine drummers aren't as talked about anymore.

[@deanmayberry9713]

This. He's actually improvising a lot of those fills. He's played the song surely millions of times by now and I'm sure he has it memorized. I'm gonna truthfully state that the majority of extreme metal drummers are boring these days. They're robots. You want that? Program a drum machine and it's infallible -- it'll play the same thing every single time perfectly 100% of the time. Jazz and tech death metal (which was clearly highly influenced by jazz) was never about being perfect. I guess now it is, but the fills and improv particularly in a live setting when everyone knows the damn song is what makes drumming INTERESTING even to other drummers. I'm gonna think, "oh shit sick! He just pulled improv!" if I see a drummer do something different live. The singer is allowed to break up the song and shout, "1234" but the drummer can't have those liberties as long as he's still holding it down? That's a bit illogical. A recording where the band is on strict metronome practice and does the same song upwards of thousands of times to get the perfect take is very different. Hell, look at the godfather of prog drumming. The man has the most ridiculous kit ever and completely does improv live which people go crazy for. Flo is a good drummer that's busted his ass and devoted his life to playing the drums, recording, and touring (the world at that). The man can have some fucking fun because frankly he's earned it. Those perfectionist armchair theorists can't play this shit anyways. Constant double bass also gets goddamn boring. It lost the, "oh my God how does anyone do this" a long time ago. A straight 4 gets boring. How many drummers drop their 4 for a fill? A lot do. Extreme metal has brainwashed people to believe that the only way to keep time is via constant double bass which gets really goddamn uninteresting really fast.

[@chaosinception7982]

He was absolutely never a jazz player. He got away with playing fast and sloppy back in the day. Drummers are more proficient now. He just needs to clean up his playing a technique. This is a classic song. And he is a cool guy.

[@sticktrik]

Da fuck you talking about Jazz player?? You should get off the meth, bro!!!

[@frelopermanboy7426]

exactly where is the jazz influence in this? Lmfao

[@flahprius]

My favorite Cryptopsy song. Incredibly musically composed drum parts!

[@LOU-oo9zx]

Yes i agree, my favorite is Benedictine Convulsions

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

Wait until you hear the album "Kingdom of Downfall" by Parricide.

[@Theblastmaster]

Flo's a legend. His style is chaotic and it's not pretty but it has inspired countless drummers, myself included. He's worthy of praise.

[@deshubaboiboi5961]

One of the very best

[@jtf9670]

saw Flo live and at a drum clinic, he gave straight-to-the point advice for drummers, quality of POSTURE and BREATHING is crucial for this genre of music

[@dima.jiharev]

Sing with me! UUURGH! UUURGH! URGH-URGH-UURGH!!

[@felixgarstka]

hahahaha 😂

[@jasperjenkins7729]

Sing?

[@felixgarstka]

I'm still laughing 😂😂😂

[@galvinatrium]

You've got the text wrong mate...

[@dima.jiharev]

@@galvinatrium You don't say!

[@scottshepard1215]

Flo has always been a free form death metal drummer. His fills are always so much fun to listen to.

[@SlyHikari03]

For sure

[@Inhalin1514]

I'm not sure about all the "he's so sloppy" talk cause I aint no pro drummer but he looks and sounds like he's having fun..badass to me

[@behindthen0thing]

He's always been sloppy and he knows it too

[@alexsartandmusic]

@@behindthen0thing that's really refreshing to hear after listening to Mike Mangini play, he's fucking Superior Drummer 3 in flesh disguise

[@behindthen0thing]

@@alexsartandmusic flo told me himself. he's his own worst critic

[@jjandjacks7928]

People always criticize drummers that play faster than normal, same thing came and went with Aaron Kitcher and Dave McGraw.

[@vizavramoff2284]

@@behindthen0thing и почему же он неряха?

[@blueface]

Flo has always been a bit sloppy but it adds to the charm of their sound honestly, it adds a human element. No one is perfect, to this day, Flo is still one of the best. He may not have the best technique but god damn does this man slay, I love his drumming style. I feel like if it was perfect then Cryptopsy wouldn't sound the way they sound.

[@Bumbaclot213]

No one is perfect live

[@RevulsionMusic]

He obviously lacks warm up here

[@williamsmith666]

I'll take a somewhat sloppy drummer his chops over any modern death metal drummer with a triggered kit connected to a drum machine.

[@tylerchapman9234]

Is he still with the band Cryptopsy? Bc I heard some of their new shit with a different singer and didn't care for it.

[@tylerchapman9234]

@@williamsmith666 you can do that? Make the bass pedals and other shit line up with a drum machine?

[@JROscarFlores]

At 2:10 you can see he realized he hasn't put back the snare strainer

[@katyungodly]

Oscar Flores wow great catch

[@pavelgavenda427]

That was my first thought when he hit the snare for the first time😂

[@michaelsemenov4527]

Why has he put it off first?

[@JROscarFlores]

@@michaelsemenov4527 The snare chain vibes like crazy in between songs. Since the snare is mic, drummers put it off.

[@leonardolicciardello5864]

He is using triggers so I don't think he even needs them.

[@MrWinterblade]

He may not be so clean but his drumming was an influence so big on my drumming ten years ago, so thank you Flo, still a beast!

[@mauricewanink1452]

Iceforgedstormborn . He is one of the tastiest metal drummers in the scene!

[@MrWinterblade]

agree

[@Kerry_kit_slayer]

Flo pours blood and sweat into his playing and that ordered chaos approach is a blast to watch/listen to

[@antongregory838]

the beauty of Brutal Death Metal is that it doesnt have to sound perfect. Room for error adds to the brutality.

[@stemcellphone]

I thought Flo killed it... god forbid he put up an imperfect single take LIVE performance video and not execute like Scott Hull's drum machine.

[@jaredfitzgerald6878]

Not to mention probably a little tired too.

[@Bumbaclot213]

Scott Hull of Pd?

[@futurenoob0106]

Unbelievable well written drums and expertly performed. He has the most lively playing in metal since forever, and is full of personality and endurance.

[@MrE1981]

So refreshing to see metal being played with the energy of a rock drummer!

[@ЮрийМакаев-й4щ]

Poop Da

[@ShadowmakeResistance]

maybe by a swing drummer

[@ObscureBeast]

More like extreme polka.

[@KobusGevelspar]

All these haters nowadays, I just don't understand why. Flo is a great guy that dedicated his life to extreme music and cryptopsy. So what if it isn't perfect. He has got s o u l and is almost a classic. He is one of the guys that inspired all the young people to go play extreme music. If you think you have something to complain about: just go on and sit there and play that kind of shit yourself.

[@BluntInnit]

Who hates on Flo? Inferior drummers that use him as an excuse for their incompetence, that haven't been playing with a band for a generation?

[@300kike]

Well there are drummers that are better and cleaner. And in a world where everything is on the internet, there are bound to be comparisons. And if this guy is getting hyped for being great, but there are hundreds of other examples of superior drummers, he will be hated on, naturally. This was a sloppy performance. Faster than me on the pedals, but I can probably compete with him on his cleanliness and hand chops.

[@mattbell555]

@@300kike do the same song and we will compare.

[@300kike]

@@mattbell555 that's the weakest argument ever. I don't have to sing to know a bad singer. I drum, not this genre so I won't try. I'm not saying this guy sucks, but it's dirty and inconsistent and there are thousands who can do it better

[@mattbell555]

@@300kike you said yourself that you could compete with him. So do it !

[@skunkproductionsMLA]

Flo proves that you can play brutal death metal but look buff in Crossfit attire.

[@brianjohnson9802]

He played this so well. It might look sloppy to some people, but did it seem like they were lost because of his playing? No. He was right on time for every transition. The kick is probably the main thing people feel is wrong. Just because it's not 16th's. I understand where they're coming from because 16th's feel more correct, but music doesn't work like that. Cryptopsy sounds like this and they're so fucking awesome.

[@IamMichaellucifer13]

This is another band i need to see live, incredible drumming.

[@Blady99]

You can just tell he’s played this a million times.

[@jonniefast]

this entire album is classic 🤘🏻

[@jonniefast]

anyone hating on the drums in the comments is simply jealous wishing they had even 1% of the skill

[@Neurotripsicks]

I love this dude. Fucking unreal. He's old and still got it.

[@teeshuck]

The man behind it all (literally)

[@cecildungaroogoldenapple4741]

This is what you call realistic. Not all drummers are drum machines. I always loved this because its raw, its what death metal was founded on. Not the most FLAWLESS drumming, but incredibly difficult none the less and impressive. Side note, i've always kinda hated cryptopsy's vocals. It definitely grew on me but still is a lil rough lol

[@fiends8908]

0:34 He's playing that blastbeat so casually

[@pugmonzzz]

Wait a second, why didn't he turn his snares on?

[@mars_over]

2:10 better late than never haha

[@1retaliation1]

metalforever12345 lol...good catch

[@ShreddedShredder0]

What does it mean to "turn on" a snare? Trigger?

[@norcoriders99]

there's a "switch" if you will on a snare drum that brings the snare wires to touch the bottom head, which is what makes a snare a snare, otherwise its more or less just a piccolo tom. you can see in most of the video that the snare lever is open.

[@ShadowmakeResistance]

e porcamadonn......

[@frenchlad9441]

no matter how "sloppy" flo is playing, this man is a huge influence on many other death metal drummers, the drumming on none so vile is absolutely out of this world, just like the album as a whole

[@sir_mattimus7069]

Slit Your Guts was one of my jams back in high school. Good shit

[@TheDave000]

Can you imagine being at family get togethers trying to explain to your cousins who all work in offices that you're the singer in Cryptopsy?

[@rottendrums]

yes i can, i met the singer at heavy montreal 2019 and its a super sweet guy.

[@jermyhopkisn9654]

I mean, you could just say you're the vocalist in a metal band and most regular people could understand that.

[@wes1hoskins]

@@jermyhopkisn9654 well Soundgarden sounds rather sweet compared to Cryptopsy. But that's still easier than Dying Fetus

[@wes1hoskins]

"Oh you may have heard our song called Slit Your Guts"

[@Wilbursson]

Perfect. Timeless. Glad to see it can break down music to the AAL crowd as well as metal is supposed to break down what you assume is supposed to be correct. Hold my metronome lads

[@Metal_Vault]

Flo is a monster. Respect!

[@MrPeggox]

That fill at 2:25 it's exquisite

[@dl719]

it made me coom

[@chusmaestro]

I was going to write the same, what a tasty drum fill!

[@stonytina5177]

One of the best concerts I ever saw was Cryptopsy doing their None So Vile album live at Little Devil in Tilburg in the Netherlands in 2017. Because of the very small size of that venue, the drumkit had to be placed at one side at the front of the stage. Right next to my usual place in the audience, which is as close as possible to the stage AND just out of reach of the moshpit. Safety first YOLO lol

[@LuDawgg]

Favorite drummer

[@MontelWilliamz]

Flo might not be the cleanest drummer ever, but I think his creativity in extreme metal makes him stand out. He's made a lot of creative drumming parts to riffs that most would just straight up do some lame double kick backbeat or blasting.

[@danielelewis9303]

I actually like that he doesn't sound like a drum machine :)

[@iliketowatch.]

Damn! I can't decide if that is a athletic musician or a musical athlete... no matter what, that performance was incredible.

[@gwapongrommel]

The most versatile metal drummer that I know! Flo your so brutal!!!

[@jacobprice8048]

Sickest drummer ever, makes it look effortless

[@doublemarvellous5525]

None of these other guys would be here without Flo. Still the most creative

[@harrycorpsegrinder5664]

He is one of the best drummer on earth. with less equipment, he can create such a harmonic fill in music

[@VlbgSnakeHead]

I love it👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@Bergendal_2003]

If my bands don't have vocalists that sound like primordial beasts, I am not interested. But, man, I fucking love this band, Flo Mounier is a huge inspiration for my drumming and just my absolute hero

[@BatteryAcidEater]

Im a guitarist but Flo is my favorite drummer

[@pawel_vachla]

I like how his playing manages to upset some people. I'm a bigger fan now.

[@ZERONETWORK0]

There's a difference between a loose feel and sloppiness. This is not sloppiness.

[@STIXAHOY]

Man this song has some amazing lyrics............so deep

[@lifeimitatingdeath3608]

2:03 BEST FUCKING PART!!! I ALWAYS GET GOOSE BUMPS

[@riffaudnono1149]

Excellent 🎼🇫🇷🎼🤘

[@gabrielrobertocaixeta1679]

Flo isn't sloppy, he's original, unlike those guava drummers today who don't have substantiality. Plus he's been in the business for a long time and still manages to record different drum lines on each album, the guy is a legend!

[@elviradark6902]

Somebody please show the exit to that guy with the microphone who's trying to do the vocal impressions!

[@pabloardouin961]

Fuckin awesome dude!!

[@directosmetal4771]

Good drummer☺️!!! Can someone tell me why he uses trigger on snare? Thanks

[@gustru2078]

My guess is it's to help play louder at high speeds

[@directosmetal4771]

Simon Lussier thanks !! 😉

[@Moonfog_PSN]

hey flo! i have an autograph of you from a gig in germany (alarm club in zwickau) more than 14 jears ago 😎 you're a beast 🤘 thank you for the music... 🍻

[@jorgeluismejianarvaez6416]

The Elvin Jones of the extreme metal. He don't need be clean, he's soul and power.

[@samwinfrey5348]

God the bass gets me every time

[@mejiajosue77]

I expect more from Flo.

[@eloymolinanieto7811]

That's insane. What the fuck do metal drummers do to improve his speed and coordination? I mean sometimes it's hard too because contra tempos go so fast and they still do them right without going over the tempo (I don't know English music vocabulary so I hope that make sense)

[@RapiDEraZeR]

i love this song

[@lifeimitatingdeath3608]

2:05 that pause and look at the camera.... FUCKING SICK

[@Bumbaclot213]

Why is the strainer flipped off on the snare?

[@meddelhed]

that is a beautiful snare sound at the beginning

[@RoRo-kc8zv]

Can someone explain the holes in the symbols

[@musicchannel5876]

*String Theory Theme*

[@musicchannel5876]

01:24

[@musicchannel5876]

01:28

[@musicchannel5876]

01:31

[@musicchannel5876]

01:57

[@musicchannel5876]

01:58

[@TheWho58]

Hes just rockin out like its nothin I would be sweating struggling to get through this song. Flo's badass.

[@CannibalShadow]

Destruction 🔥

[@wredet7637]

Legend!

[@fabiob1228]

holy fkn shit this is really good

[@javiermb6253]

Un verdadero especialista en la batería de metal extremo.

[@EMK666]

WTF does Lord Worm's impersonator say at 1:24?

[@miichealbolton559]

😂 full on

[@briang6040]

The drumming was awesome regardless of what some of you think. Remember, he's only a human, humans get tired and have bad performances, just like athletes or just like we do at work. This is some hard stuff to play perfectly everyday. But that damn wanna be vocalist sounds like the cookie monster choking on chicken bone.

[@nmac3718]

yep--& finally someone has something with merit to say on the comment section

[@fonztorres]

All of the drumming in this genre of metal is terrible. It's a requirement so I hear.

[@gustru2078]

Why? You are terrible. None of the shitty drummers you think of can play like he did. Anyway, if you're so great, why don't you post a video of you doing any better? Moron

[@olivierouimet5686]

@mars its cuz it is his play style. If he wanted he could play everything on point. I think he plays sloppy because he wants to and it makes the drums feel (sound)l different in the mix.

[@vikingrbeerdserkr8406]

@@fonztorres he is considered the best drummer in metal, no beats Flo, he's metals Neil Pert.

[@macdad159]

BEAST

[@felipefabiao1808]

Muito foda!!!

[@mannmusicplayerb1914]

What a beast!!!!!!!

[@sapujagatpramono39]

Wow...😀😘😘😘👍👍👍

[@pneumaticdetach]

SO Fucking SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DonHichot]

Flo is a drummaster!

[@MonRoeTheory]

Damn these guys can really play! But was the pig slaughter audio necessary?

[@Bumbaclot213]

Throw-off on the snare is off - I know there’s a trigger, but why?

[@earl-larsen]

awesome

[@jacobaranda195]

Anyone who calls this sloppy needs to stay away from a drum set forever

[@VM0451]

I'm surprised at how the vocalist sounds. In some videos on KZbin, he sounds a lot more like that toilet flush thing, but here he sounds a lot like Lord Worm.

[@kladen2006]

his voice and articulation are getting better in their last opus. I miss DiSalvo tho.

[@keironstoneman6938]

I might need the lyric sheet........

[@Lawyer_lpr]

Великолепно !

[@davidperez5089]

fffukkin intense! droppin a stick at that tempo would be certain death!!

[@fredchet2523]

musically, this group has a lot of talent. vocal question, I've never understood the choices they have made so far. what is on c is that the voice of this vocalist is simply anything! euuuh euuuuhh euuuuuh leuuuuu leuuuuu heuuuuuu ...

[@mattiasjansson733]

This awesome man is something so unique as a death metal drummer with swing and old fashioned feeling, that’s why he is one of the top drummers of all time. Cozy Powell and Bill Ward still reigns supreme at the top of the Metal Mountain, but give him time maybe they will be joined by a Canadian.

[@andrijadm]

GOD OF DRUMS !!!!

[@diegoq8417]

Beast

[@uziquattro1083]

WTF on anyone sayin flo is sloppy.. check 2:10 .. further on dudes kicks not perfect 32nd notes and i reckon thats so much more brutal when he halftimes at the end 3:39 makes it that much harder..

[@ferlottes]

Vive le Québec et vive Cryptosy !!!

[@WhirlwindDrums]

whats the point about having your cymbals leaning away from you? Someone explain

[@eisicon400]

Works good with low setups

[@biscobisco1882]

People who call this 'sloppy' are the types who would also someone call someone like Shawn Lane or Allan Holdsworth sloppy for playing a line containing both quintuplets and sextuplets. Playing with rhythm is one of the most interesting things there is about music - you want everything to be quantized and locked in with constant 16th notes/32nd notes? Expand your musical vocabulary djent kids. Don't call it 'sloppy' unless you're 100% sure you know what Flo is intending to play.

[@Vindsvelle]

I'm totally necroposting here, but the fact that his playing's sloppy isn't a big deal; it's part of the charm and general aesthetic of some types of grind, brutal DM, war metal, etc. But attributing his lack of precision to some deliberate, charted subdividing of notes doesn't just flip the bird to Occam's razor and common sense, it implies that _all_ poor playing (whether by amateurs or professional instrumentalists) isn't the performer's lack of accuracy, but some feat of technical genius. There's a _biiig_ difference between stylistic, purposeful off-time rhythm or notation (e.g. playing "behind" or "ahead" of the beat in some styles of fusion, jazz, blues, etc.) and simple lack of precision and accuracy. Like I said, his imprecise playing isn't a big deal and is part of the appeal, but if you're genuinely expecting any musician to buy the idea that objectively sloppy playing is somehow comparable to the likes of Lane's or Holdsworth's _actually_ intentional technicality, you're gonna be disappointed.

[@GamerGamer-wg8vt]

Master.

[@h24812h]

i dont think he is that sloppy really, cryptopsy is organized chaos, it really is. This "sloppiness" is probably at least partically intentional. Listen to their records the drumming is all the place and wild. It fits the music perfectly.