Crystal Cathedral founder's son and grandson speak out - 2010-10-25

[@billtuckjr2834]

Say anything you like about Robert Schuller! I was a very poor gardener in Southern California. His Wonderful Messages connected me with God. I'm 76 years old and living safely in our home paid in full for over 15 years. Totally enjoying my retirement. I share The Good News of God any time the door is open. Thank You Dr Schuler I know your looking down from Paradise Right now. Job Very Well Done!!

[@Mark-q1s9l]

And your probably broke

[@RJ1999x]

Hate to tell you this, but you didn't need him to tell you God's word

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

I went to his church but I never received the good news just his promotions of worldly information

[@davido3026]

Prosperity gospel has delivered to you handsomely to you! Have you ever repented and confessed your sins and received the Holy Eucharist for the salvation of your soul? do you give alms to the poor?

[@youngimages2000]

This is a perfect reflection of a biblical story. Ever since man had to till the soil for food for his family, hard decisions have to be made. Schuller Sr might have had to turn to China for financing, Schuller Jr eventually did just that, on a missionary jaunt of course. He didn’t get the Cathedral back, but so far, he’s insured his and his son’s ministry. Bad can come from goodness, and good can come from bad. Life is difficult no matter how u look at it...

[@davido3026]

Life has exposed them as fake Christians! Theirs was a private corporate business in America cafeteria church system!!

[@mikem3789]

What they needed was to preach the gospel

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

Amen that would have turned off their viewers

[@davido3026]

Robert schuller ran a private religion business that was bankrupted! The church is not a money-making machine!

[@davido3026]

Watered-down Christianity!

[@davido3026]

Schuller just declares that God never conducted their family private business!! Bringing consultants, models, etc. Exposes their fake preaching!!

[@davido3026]

​@@MyNameIsChristBringsASwordpeople paid for a showmanship and their hearing of what they wanted to hear! Joecisten same school. Tithing is the key. Tax free money!!!

[@OWOT-re5jf]

Jeanne, Gretchen and Carol still have a church going? Rob and Robbie did the right thing leaving abd are now thriving. Sad to see what bad decisions can do to a family and ministry.

[@davido3026]

You took the bait!!

[@Chesterbarnes1]

Bill Tuck I partially agree. The MESSAGE they spoke might have benefited u but the MESSENGERS were greedy And corrupt.

[@RJ1999x]

So what he's saying is he still thinks there are pigeons left for them to pluck

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

Money is their god

[@RJ1999x]

Bingo, can you imagine trying to explain this to God ,that you fleeced his people for personal gain

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

@@RJ1999x Peter Ruckman used to call these kind of preachers "blood suckers"

[@RJ1999x]

@@MyNameIsChristBringsASword he wasn't wrong

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

@@RJ1999x it applies to many so-called servants of the Lord who have their hand out

[@RJ1999x]

@@MyNameIsChristBringsASword the majority

[@CuriousEarthMan]

Who was the company that helped them turn to TV and media to keep going?

[@davido3026]

The savi business partner unable to preach!!

[@stevendaniel5649]

When Christ died, the only thing He owned was the cloth he was wearing. Go figure......

[@davido3026]

Not even that! He was naked on the cross!!! Soldiers cast lots to see who would get the robe!

[@JNeil1975]

If they had followed the example of the early church....they wouldn't have had this problem. James would be horrified by most American churches!

[@RoseSharon7777]

Its beyond apostate!

[@davido3026]

Americans are not horrified of their system either! They pay for heaven ...they think

[@mandybradley3079]

True. Churches are about salaries and and getting more money in each week. Not about the poor or widows. It’s not about how JESUS would want the church to live.

[@e.a.p3174]

"Jesus save us from your followers" Some Christians just have to put other Christians in a negative light.

[@SaraP.-mi8gg]

Remember folks,all of this is done with tax free money donations...

[@davido3026]

100%scam! Nobody ever verifies if the teaching is sound and true!! Either!!

[@edwingchambi9954]

Money money money

[@simonebetka2249]

Blessing

[@fwily2580]

Greed. With an unhealthy dose of delusion. Father, son and congregation. Their legacy is an explosion of religious entrepreneurs.

[@davido3026]

Ora 501 status non-profit! Tax-free money they can teach whatever they want. Nobody evaluates them for it!

[@melissadavis1607]

Pastor David Swanson paid black people a good complement about keeping up with white people church.

[@davido3026]

Money is colorless!!

[@markrichards6863]

They ralded all of the coffers to enrich themselves before throwing in the towel.

[@TheBuddy1939]

So it was about money and media that kept them going. And the result failure. Should have known who God of the Bible was.

[@steve19149]

In't Christianity about the POOR? NOt here and certainly NOt in America.............This dude is talking about FINANCIAL models. OMG..................Jesus was all about the poor

[@steve19149]

Let me be clear ultimate sinners right here....Schuller that is

[@llb7990]

steve w He had to talk about finances because that's a huge part of running a church. You need money to help others as well as keep the church going. He's talking about keeping the church going financially so that many many ppl can still hear the messages about God all over the world. This is probably a small snippet of the interview or this is what the interview was about. The people interviewing him probably just wanted to know what was happening to Crystal Cathedral financially. If you want to hear about Jesus you can view Bobby Schuller on the KZbin Channel Hour of Power with Bobby Schuller. Peace be with you.

[@linlab7635]

Awesome. This Sunday go and pray in a mudhole then.

[@davido3026]

​@@llb7990hahahahaha stoopidity of the worst

[@beaumac1950]

The Schullers had a grande vision , carried thru with intention and perseverance unmatched by most evangelists , however greed and the “power of money” fogged their intentions creating a monster of revenue desperate to sustain a weak message leading to deception and disillusionment among members after “ robbing” their devout patronages at the end destroying all faith as a result of Schuller greed and deceit … Shame does not fully describe the end result of their undermining efforts and success in literal robbing the churches faithful members … I outta know … I was a pianist and organist in brief at some point in time. The “weak” ministry both Dad’s and Son’s was always evident , deceiving the mass for the greed of money and not the fulfillment of the HOLY SPIRITS HIGHEST GOOD AND PURPOSE … I’m not one to throw stone in a glass house , but the Ministry threw the membership “under the bus” with the evil power of the Ego and greed for selfishness giving the heart the church away for the sake of money in their pockets … SHAME … This ministry was doomed from it’s beginnings giving “Hollywood” it’s egotistical attention only to “entertain” and not ministry the Spirit of Jesus … Jesus is so much more than what this ministry professed according to my Grand Grandfather and Southern Baptist Minister’s opinion … He saw thru this ministry from it’s roots … When I played for their ministry … he was not pleased , however realizing “ my ministry” was and is “ my God~Given Gifts at the keyboard … That alone gave me “ permission” to minister thru the Schullers temporarily until I discovered a “Spirit~Filled Church that drew me away from this “disguise” of a Christian Ministry … There … I’ve said my say and feel “relieved” and “delivered” from my past mistakes yet with no regrets … Beau Saucier 💜🙏💜😇💜

[@davido3026]

They never believed in God!!

[@Chesterbarnes1]

One of the problems was the whole family was on salary, and these salaries were very high. The Schuller family appeared to be greedy for money. They were getting hundred of thousands of dollars in salaries and perks. Shameful

[@johngreen3054]

Source of information?

[@linlab7635]

Their church brought happiness and joy to people. They bought those 34 acres and built the cathedral and other buildings, gardens, statues on the land for people to enjoy. Don't you think that cost them a big chunk of money? Don't you think that they had to pay for upkeep and the bills? Are you under the impression that God just gave all those things to him for free? Wow.

[@Chesterbarnes1]

@@linlab7635 The issue is not whether the church brought happiness to people I concede they might have to some, yes and the property did in fact cost to acquire, the issue is not the upkeep of buildings that's a given, nor paying bills. The REAL issue is GREED and AVARICE. Obviously you are not informed as to how many of the Schueller family were on the payroll, plus the exorbitant salaries they were receiving. They were all wonderful people but they became BIG HEADED, and proud. Pride comes before a fall. And the Ministry did in fact fall. God did not give them those HUGE salaries, they gave themselves those huge salaries and eventually couldn't pay the bills, and this Lin Lab jeapordize the ministry.

[@linlab7635]

@@Chesterbarnes1 - So then any self-made successful business people should be looked down upon, regardless of how much people are enjoying and willing to pay for their goods and services. Good to know. Guess then communism with equal money for all is awesome. 👍

[@ernestalexander8078]

@@Chesterbarnes1 really Lin Lab. Did you really just make the case for a church to operate like a capitalistic business? Your supposition will not very well for the Body of Christ (church). Simply because churches are endorsed by God as places he calls his children to for the purpose of accepting salvation. Once they become a part of the World (commercialism, making money), they goal then is profit. At that point only Satan will send he false flock to help make sure the church dies. Once it is dead as a potential influence, even he will then leave it behind as a crest of empty buildings and broke family members.

[@Adz2kill]

And how is the son of the Crystal Cathedral founder any different? It's not a dig, I'm just curious.

[@klieglamp]

Money - money - money: MONEEEE!!! Dad had some talent, son? Not so much . . . nice bank account though.

[@melissadavis8026]

I sold both of Robert shuler's churches the new one that is children are using and the old Christopher Crystal cathedral to Kato kaelin and la menendez and Eric Mendez.

[@Samuelfish2k]

What?

[@OWOT-re5jf]

The commission must have been huge

[@robertyglesias9673]

Now no more of the Glory of Christmas and Easter plays

[@davido3026]

Says who?

[@robertwing566]

Who gets the money

[@Adz2kill]

The man and lady who cried about losing their church made me sad, especially the man.

[@davido3026]

Shame, we laugh at you

[@truthseeker9975]

The 'Crystal Cathedral' was and is the most appalling, disgusting and truly horrifying use of wealth in a way that Christ would never have supported. The whole story is sickening.

[@robertsullivan4773]

And as a devote Catholic I'm ashamed that my church has bought this glass elephant and are wasting millions in it that could be put to much better use.

[@BradJDixon]

I find it interesting that you feel free to criticize the Crystal Cathedral using the strong language you did. There are things I didn't understand or appreciate about this ministry. Yet, I have a log in my eye and find it difficult to remove the speck from my brother's eye.

[@robertsullivan4773]

@@BradJDixon hey our language was strong yes. But if we know anything it's optics and for years now the church has been seen as obscenely rich by the outside world. Do we really need another oversized church in southern California of all places to prove our detractors point. Please tell me you yourself couldn't find better use for the 💰 being poured into this glass 🐘. This misguided edifice broke Shuler his church and his greedy family. It should have been torn down. Save the Organ yes.

[@nathankinman7753]

@@robertsullivan4773 what an "INDULGENCE," isn't it! 🤗

[@vjaguirre6044]

@@nathankinman7753 no not really.

[@linlab7635]

None of Dr Schuller's kids or grandkids have that huge personality as he had. Trying to watch them give a sermon was about as entertaining as watching paint dry. That's why, sadly the church failed after his retirement.

[@josephparker646]

first thing is a sermon is not supposed to be entertaining. Think of it like a college lecture. it is intended to be educational. If that was your focus you totally missed the purpose fool.

[@linlab7635]

@@josephparker646 - Maybe not, but in reality at least there has to be some factors in the pastor's voice that keeps one from slumber. Resorting to name calling now? You're a good Christian, now aren't you? 🙄

[@josephparker646]

@@linlab7635 don't get me started with that name calllling false assertion. Jesus himself called people names for the exact same reason I called you that very name. "17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?" - Matthew 23:17-19. you made the argument about entertainment when Jesus himself lashed out for religious practice being a show.

[@BradJDixon]

@@josephparker646 In Matthew 5:22 Jesus warned us not to call anyone a "fool."

[@nathankinman7753]

Actually, a sermon isn't meant to be "entertainment" or "educational." .... A sermon is meant to entice a person to look in the mirror and repent of any character flaws they find in themselves. And to change their ways to God's standards as a result.

[@TomCrockett-bl1gp]

Mega church

[@simonebetka2249]

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[@annettavicckies298]

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