Notail says "Let the best team win. I love it" [Game 5]

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[@CrystalisDota]

here's my reaction to this analysis and outcome of game 5: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaCTpYKFg6esoc0

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

Also. That's a team that played since 9AM!! They've been on a winning streak for 8 hours!! Absolutely insane amount of concentration needed. To say they were exhausted afterwards is absolutely an understatement. They are on the fucking reserves of the reserves. Absolutely incredible.

[@thiennguyen9747]

True but 18mil on the line The organisation would provide these guys with extreme healthy nutrition diet plans, Especially staying locked in for hours, Otherwise your body will shut down any moment

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

@@thiennguyen9747 I just think they should not have to play both teams on the same day. That seems crazy to me.

[@thiennguyen9747]

@@SamuelHauptmannvanDam thats the system, if you dont play all out n get Upper bracket, things gets harsh for Lower bracket teams, But srsly, that is why LGD lost the final game 5, because their plan was too obvious with lycan tiny, n unfortunately they dont have a “back-up” or “reverse psychology” trick for the 1st two pick of tiny n lycan, their draft was so terrible in game 5, If you play your best to get in upper bracket, you likely to give away all your tip/tricks, meaning you expose your weakness, There is some times in major or even Ti, team try to get to Lower Bracket because it just works better for them than being in the upper bracket, Its pretty much same for soccer-i think But srsly, TS must have had their player digest all the best food or nutrition to sit through the final day, possibly walking on treadmill at the back stage to get your cardio goin 😂

[@johnwalker-fj5gy]

@@SamuelHauptmannvanDam it's a fitting penalty for arriving to the final from the lower bracket. For never losing a match, LGD gets to play fresh. It's a small bonus compared to most double elim tournaments.

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

@@johnwalker-fj5gy I disagree. Imagine if that was the case for football? o.O Now it might be to their advantage, to be warm. But I want both teams to be at their best for the best matches possible. No one should be at a disadvantage coming into a final for 16mil euros.

[@shrwnsnty]

I saw Puppey's interview when they got eliminated by TS. According tohim Tiny/Lycan is unstoppable but they can't group up because someone is always dead from his team. No matter how strong you are, it's hard or your can't 4v5. Especially this game, they got Ember that can jump at the backlines and auto delete one support. That magnus is really great in pickoff.

[@muttsurinri6933]

Game 5 best game. Best picks of both teams clashed.

[@TEJR69]

Amen, this whole TI for me wasn't that much enjoyable to watch ... it was all Ench, Magnus, Tiny, MK and VS. Like 90% games were these heroes, no Enigma crazy black holes, no play making heroes picked... It was really defensive Dota this TI which hey, it is Dota after all! Meta changes all the time and still there were games that were making you stand up from your seat, but ... you know. But the whole Grandfinale was just ... I was sitting down, almost not breathing and the Game 5 with the backdoor protection was like "HEY IT'S NOT OVER YET" but it was just a brief restart for Team Spirit and they crushed them so hard. On one hand I find it funny, how PSG.LGD again got into Grand finale and lost on Game 5... unlucky

[@samuraigorilla2311]

@@TEJR69 I dislike this meta too, hope they change it. TI8 and TI9 meta was much better imo

[@ZealothPL]

Yeah, lots of stompy games and 2-0 series too

[@Nana-vl5ig]

lgd just throw the game at 19min in game 5 they chasing to much but spirit won that clash , that momen good for spirit they know they get momentum and spirit take the momentum ass well

[@nikishir1881]

hardly, lot of games better than that, 10 man buyback, spirit vs vp

[@leavez7000]

Collapse finally went for BKB on game 5. And that's when I realized, he was serious now.

[@mustafasy1685]

he just buy it , cause of ski silence he mess his third skills to bring ppl XD

[@leavez7000]

@@mustafasy1685 I meant that he doesn't buy BKB on his Mag, only on this last game. He went linken on 3rd game but was not enough. On his other games he always skipped bkb.

[@haziq12ish]

Cause he was countered in game 3

[@edric2850]

He bought linkens for shadowstep. Atleast thats what I think

[@HolyRamanRajya]

Silence is self dispellable, stun is not(from rubick previous game for instance). Skewer is not going to land everytime and bkb has a long cd so Collapse would not have benefitted from bkb on the previous match against rubik.

[@AJ_Banana]

all the subtitles in the world for this year true sight :D

[@victorp4083]

4:38 Nothing2Say already feeling the collapse mag hahahahhahaha

[@rinderurulade5785]

I guess you can say his whole world COLLAPSED after seeing mag

[@victorp4083]

@@rinderurulade5785 HAAHAHAHHH

[@jeffwads]

4:55. Lo and behold, they found a way. haha.

[@ShishKerBabS]

Extremely clean play by team spirit. Collapse also changed up his timing to be earlier, this game he skipped mek and went straight for blink shard matching LGDs 20 min timing.

[@cherkielee]

I personally think. That’s the right path going for blink first. But hey he is the prof player here. Congrats to both team showing their best

[@ClovissenpaiDotR]

I feel LGD being left Tiny/Lycan in the first phase was such an obvious bait into what TS wanted them to do. I was hoping LGD would pick Rubick second over the Lycan. The Rubick could not only steal the Empower to enable the tiny, but also a prime Fiend's Grip counter. Even if the lycan got banned second phase, they still have enablers in the pool such as ogre and/or basically any hero building a solar crest for it. The ban/pick/draft overall would have been too different for me to comment after the 2nd ban phase, but I seriously think PSG should have picked Rubick against Mag/Bane, and TS banned it immediately after the first pick phase so its a pretty clear read.

[@ZealothPL]

I talked with my friend about LGD not banning Magnus and they said "but then they would have Mars!" The fuck is mars going to do against a tiny that kills him like a creep

[@billruslywilowry1775]

i think TS want to bait PSG to pick rubick, TS can just swap magnus for pos5. and pick pos1 melee to scale really hard. just my opinion thooo...

[@ClovissenpaiDotR]

@@billruslywilowry1775 Even with Mag 5, Rubick steals empower just fine. Plus, Rubick isn't exactly a hero you 'bait' a pick out of because it's pretty much never bad relative to other support heroes

[@billruslywilowry1775]

@@ClovissenpaiDotR yeah.. also rubick can steal nightmare and fiend grips. Not the best draft by PSG LGD. 🥲

[@ClovissenpaiDotR]

@@billruslywilowry1775 Yeah, i pointed out in the original comment that Rubick was just already a good pick versus the Bane alone. So having the Fiend's Grip cancel/steal and being able to steal empower would have made him extremely valuable

[@haziq12ish]

9:30 that is so true

[@worm_9912]

If earth spirit was on PSG.LGD would have been nuts

[@recode8453]

the best strategy: luck is very effective

[@CrystalisDota]

only u understand. u will be a winner one day.

[@youmoron11]

N0Tail becomes TwoTailz

[@kuneda777]

hmmm this what happen if u not rub xin-q belly.

[@DoDo-pn5fg]

Notail says? I thought that Twotails say 😝

[@haziq12ish]

Lgd use tiny lycan against secret magnus, lgd won Team spirit use magnus against secret tiny lycan, team spirit won This was indeed the battle of who can execute them better

[@weare...2373]

Yeahh .. agree .. any meta heroes are good ..but.. when a player use it in a great way, it will be greater ..

[@haziq12ish]

@@weare...2373 to be honest, what won them the game was the game sense, vision and overall good teamwork. So many times before that 20 minute mark TS retret before lgd could attack and TS just draggg the game till all their line up comes alive

[@aynes8099]

@@haziq12ish the way they avoided all the smokes is just wow… like their gamesense on this tournament was on another level

[@haziq12ish]

@@aynes8099 its like they see the map is empty and immediately someone said TP back. Need to wait for true sight to see who's the mastermind. OD and insagnia is praising yatoro for it. But my prediction is that its miposhka's experience. Have to wait and see

[@weare...2373]

Most of the comments here just mentioned about *Not Banning the Magnus* .. huhu .. For me, Dota is a game where anything can happen when a hero is played by a player who knows how to play it ..

[@methselah]

Coz it's true. It's pride who made them lost the game. They've already figured out how to beat TS(game 3 and 4 says it all) but they wanted to slap the shit out of Magnus using their best hero, Lycan/Tiny. Sad coz I'm all in for LGD

[@weare...2373]

@@methselah Yeah it is pride .. but .. at the same time, Like Ceb and NoTail, said .. May the best Dota Win ..

[@methselah]

@@weare...2373 Yep, game 5 was just pure dota.

[@weare...2373]

@@methselah yeaps.. During that Game 5 .. I was mesmerizing the way they played .. So, great and beautiful ..

[@user-td1kl3gv7p]

Nahhh people who say "not banning the magnus" is 6k below. High mmr players now what mars can do to tiny in lane and how dw is very effective at dealing both tiny and lycan.

[@cleromatocinos8852]

Tiny pick is really not good. They ban Undying because they are expecting to pick Magnus

[@victorp4083]

funny how ceb and notail still subestimating collapse magnus in this draft

[@brianabella4322]

In the end, its all about handling. But what amazes here for TSpick is that they anticipate the tiny lycan pick. The bad ban of LGD is Wyvern. If they go Tiny Lycan Combo. They should ban whats bad fortheir hero

[@tamago_king]

@@brianabella4322 i think they were too focused on banning Yatoro's heroes which are too many to ban em all

[@Zenovarse]

13 noobs. Just first pick pa and buy first item 5 dagons, nothing beats it.

[@mr.madlangtuta2983]

Why did lgd didn't ban magnus at the last game of the tournament? It just doesn't make sense to not ban it when it is secret's one of the most if not the most comfortable pick. Well Secret showed the underdog mentality and deserve the aegis. Feels bad that ame lost 2 game 5 TI Grand finals.

[@zzzzzzzzzzxdxdxd]

If lgd had won you would be saying the same thing for Ames tiny

[@mr.madlangtuta2983]

@@zzzzzzzzzzxdxdxd yeah I would have said the same thing but from a player's perspective, the 1st 3 bans should be either the enemy team's comfort picks and heroes that counter the team comp they are trying to get or use. It was the grand finals so each team should have the sufficient data of the opposing team's comfort picks and go-to strats. Magnus is like the IO of OG last TI. It is the team's comfort pick and is flexible. Team Secret really deserves the Aegis.

[@alibek1545]

@@mr.madlangtuta2983 * team spirit

[@reaper9697]

They need to ban mars cause it is collapse signature hero and willow to protect tiny in lane.

[@muhamadarif1498]

didn't u watch TI8,they are arrogant..and they repeated it back here..coz they break Magnus strat in game3,they think they can break it again with they Tiny-Lycan strat..but,Spirit really did a good job in reading the smoke by LGD in game 5..they failed to catch Amber n Terrorblade multiple time..

[@ZealothPL]

God, that draft by LGD was pathetic, I remember seeing it after the game had already started and feeling my hope rise dramatically. again, LGD with no respect, first picking their combo against the only team that repeatedly wrecked it throughout the Ti, then basically randoming some heroes with no synergy into a baller Spirit draft...

[@keithcarlos4018]

Dude. You dont know shit about drafting. You said that because they lose, if they won, you wouldn't say shit. Hope your brain can comprehend my point

[@ddddsawdsaw]

@@keithcarlos4018 He is kind of right though, i watched the drafting at game 5 around 2-3am here, and by the end of drafting phase i closed the stream because i already know that Spirit would win with that line up. All Tiny carries against Team Spirit didn't work, OG, Secret.

[@gallium5075]

@@ddddsawdsaw The coach of LGD or whoever he may be, said that their mental strength are going down. They are feeling the stress. It's just unfortunate scenario.

[@ZealothPL]

@@keithcarlos4018 They picked Tiny Lycan and then some 2 meh heroes, and random ench that did fuck all vs a nice rounded out draft OG vs TS they had roughly similar drafts (and imo OG's was better than what LGD showed in last game - they had clock, void spirit to at least do something and LGD picked kunka for laning and skywrath and ench that basically were irrelevant for the game)

[@provi1085]

@@ZealothPL Ench was not random. Ench was supposed win lane early and roam mid and dispel ember shield, with Skywrath to shut down Ember's game. But if you paid attention, they messed up in their early attempt. Ember got his eul = he never dies. LGD's lineup was high risk and hard to execute.