CS2 expert's first time playing VALORANT

[@ahmeddraza]

Cheater problem grew so much Ohne had to step back and make videos on his favourite game again

[@frutato7498]

React to*

[@soaringdragon3972]

Lol 😂😂 it's a goofy game for sure, I mean look at the skins 🤓 they look goofy af

[@Panda-zh5lc]

@@soaringdragon3972its still better than cs lmao

[@soaringdragon3972]

@@Panda-zh5lc yeah cs 2 is trash 😂😂 there is a cheater in every lobby, lol idk if valve is even serious about improving the game.

[@shreksmeatballs9435]

​@@soaringdragon3972bro thinks the quality of skins makes the game better 💀

[@Syphon-]

Counter Strike's biggest glazer goes back to his favorite game: Valorant

[@brentw0681]

I can tell by this comment that ur gay

[@SQwizzCS]

The most NPC comment are back

[@callmenik1298]

@@SQwizzCS *The most NPC comment are back 🤓*

[@Syphon-]

@@callmenik1298 for real

[@SabanLeon]

Average cs fan : ​@@SQwizzCS

[@TheTroupeMasterGrimm]

“There’s a dumbass with a giant hat outside of A” had me crying

[@gg4life579]

as a Cypher main i can confirm im a dumbass with a giant hat

[@TheTroupeMasterGrimm]

@@gg4life579 as a cypher main as well, this is what people must think when they get caught in a trip and cage on the flank

[@hen618]

nice pfp ours lowkey go together

[@godddxd]

pls dnt cry

[@viennatwntysx6075]

I mean i don`t blame him. Cypher is kind of a shitty name and if ur new it`s difficult to remember the names😅

[@marriebu]

i love that chat knows everything about valorant and then says they hates it

[@slugeater1938]

Yes, mr chat the individual

[@antonschlegel123]

i have friends that play valorant and i played some games with them still think cs 2 is a way better game with better skins just because you kniw something about a game doesnt mean you have to like it

[@cloudy9452]

@@antonschlegel123 cs is fun for after a valorant burnout. then I go back to valorant cuz I'm addicted.

[@hankuroid]

i played both game and of course i know both, why not. i even play Dota and LOL, even Mobile Legend. it is wrong to play 2 games that similiar each other?

[@mr.commonsense6645]

​@@antonschlegel123 it will be a competition only when CS get rid of the cheaters

[@ArJayDM]

13:38 crazy how all CS players agree its too much for them to learn but then say CS is harder while using the same lineups and set plays since 1954

[@ΥΣΛ]

stfu go play ur noob game

[@sirgg3847]

its just their cope cs is harder in aim part but overall val harder

[@firework8140]

​@@sirgg3847I think shroud put it best. Mechanically CS is harder, with the set spray pattern (not sure if this is true for CS2 anymore, iirc its randomized now), faster movement speed. Valve movement are slow, and the shooting is just angle holding simulator. Strat wise Valo is harder, with agents constantly getting buffed, nerfed, and new agents introduced. Different comps to counter different agents. While CS is the same old lineups.

[@eternity1273]

and u still stuck at silver due to beaten by enemy that using the same lineups and set plays since 1954

[@FelixAcadia]

​@@eternity1273No it's because the ranking system in CS2 is the trashiest among all other shooter games.

[@cooperatiion]

I would never buy a 35$ skin if I can't sell it back, that's robbery ! Meanwhile opens the equivalent of a down payment on a house worth of CS cases.

[@mika.6505]

Obviously if u say it like that its stupid. But u can never compare a creator with non creators. He’s basically investing for his „job“ cuz he’s always making more money at the end of the day from spending so much on cases yk?

[@lozs2717]

Hahaa exactly! $35 vs $35,000 Guy is on copium

[@ValJCI]

@@了了了 if you’re buying skins “as an investment” you have a problem go make an actual investment goofy

[@KiarashSalooti]

@@了了了 I like the selling feature in cs, mostly cause it helps me save some money to buy DLCs for other games I own, but tbh the skins in cs are so fucking over priced that I will never ever spend that much money on steam only to buy a knife. I think most other people also don't care that much to go and spend 1K just to get a knife when they can get the same thing and even with more unique animations on valorant even tho they are paying 30 bucks.

[@EuropeanEmpireEU]

Why not simply play the game and not buy skins like a child?

[@txslin]

no one talks about valorant more than cs players

[@TheAstroG]

kappa. ngl probably true. What a not working anticheat and lack of content does to mf's.

[@tayIoo.]

😭

[@callmenik1298]

i have never seen a valorant player talk about cs i think its just becuse cs players see how their game is falling and are mad at valorant for still being a thing keep in mind i play cs and valo just less cs due to obvious reasons lmao

[@TheAstroG]

@@callmenik1298 You probably in bubble. there's bubbls for both casses. like there some cs content crators talking about valorant obviously for views, and theirs also valorant content creators who defenatly talk about CS. But maybe it's lower than the cs creators. it's just all for views and people dont really care about which is better, they just play the one which they like or both. it's just some loud salty chatters who compare both game all the time.

[@aderrr1392]

@@callmenik1298i remember I was asking val players about their opinion on cs2, they didn't even know that cs2 was out(after trailer being released like 8 month before I was asking), so yeah, cs players know "everything" about val, while val players don't even know which version of cs people are playing

[@DakotaTheRota]

I love how he just looked at that sentry bot for one second and said., "That's bullshit".

[@26thDoctor]

the bot literally did nothing and still got called bs 😭😭

[@deezbois6770]

Is the expert in the room with us?

[@EnormeEkoH]

yes, hi :)

[@Pawwots]

that would be me :)

[@lad4830]

How may I be of service?

[@zygames3203]

im gay

[@otysafiry]

14:00 that's partially why they want you to get to level 20 before playing competitive since by then you will have learned enough to at least understand what abilities do.

[@hans1783]

Lv 20 💀 Avg NA player

[@atinybruh]

Should be lv 40, i had s silver kj in iron lobby place her turret in spawn facing the wall

[@otysafiry]

@@atinybruh if they were doing that and they were silver in an iron lobby their mmr was really low and riot thinks they don't deserve silver did they'll gain barely anything from wins and lose a ton from losses. They could have also been a smurf trying to derank their account.

[@curesafaia]

Even though I am a CS player and hate Valorant, I will take the Valorant defense about skins. I don't trade skins, most people don't trade skins, you value those skins because you are used to it but for people who are not coming to the game to bother about resale value, outside marketplaces and all that shit outside the game, CS skins has no more value that valorant, and are even less valuable as cheap skins are often uninspired in CS, so even though you can't resale in Valorant, the average CS2 player also don't want to and it's a hindrance to have to bet on the resale value to justify a good looking CS2 skin.

[@TH-ib5ly]

I played cs go from 2019 to 2022, then for a while i went away because i couldnt keep a fast connection to play online games (was not at home). So i sold my skins on steam and bought myself some single player games. At the end of the day, if someone is leaving cs, they can cash out either through steam or get real money back while valorant skins will be stuck in account forever.

[@firework8140]

I think Valorant have superior skins, because they change soo much to the skins that it keep the guns fresh. Visual effects, different audio, new model, kill banner, new inspect, fnishers. In CS, its the same old AK sounds, same old AWP sounds, for 10+ years. Sure it is satisfying, but eating sourdough for 10+ years no matter how filling it is, sometimes youd want baguette too.

[@asmrscollector]

same, I have been playing CS since 2015, and I bought only the most ordinary skins, which are about the same as the prices in Valoran. I have never had a knife, as well as expensive things worth more than 50 bucks

[@Alex_zer0_Shoveller]

you don't have to bet on resale value, pretty much everything only increases in price over time except for freshly dropped collections because the supply is only just being opened. clueless comment is clueless. I'm sure it's a lot to take in if you have no idea though (and scary if you're young) so childish skins like in fortnite are more fun and safe (and cheap) so basically if you're an adult CS is great, if you're a child go have fun in valorant who am i to judge

[@Sylau369]

@@firework8140 🗣🔥

[@sofanumbers2]

Csgo players trying not to talk about valorant (it’s impossible)

[@FINNISHORBEFINISHED]

meanwhile valorant players contemplating what a csgo is

[@user-rb9vp1of4z]

@@FINNISHORBEFINISHED its a hacker's paradise

[@urmum9971]

valorant players try not to be ugly basement dwellers (impossible)

[@akooo-db8ev]

@@user-rb9vp1of4z Literelly

[@PKR_92]

still better than valorant

[@jasoncheng2131]

I normally play CS only with bots so here’s what my first competitive game was like: Boot in Get yelled at for not clutching a 1v4 on pistol Get TKd They don’t comm for the next 7 rounds They accidentally (or purposefully? Idk) spray me with a Negev They get kicked We lose 13-2 Great I haven’t played comp since… at least bots don’t backseat scream at you for having your crosshair 0.05 meters below head level

[@InulVyn-yj1tv]

In valorant they will just say nt nt XD

[@whackoization]

Ever heard of mute?

[@user-rb9vp1of4z]

what elo?

[@Axxstrall]

@@whackoization mute them from tking him? average cs player iq

[@osamatnt9830]

@@whackoization they didnt even talk for the next 7 rounds lmao also no cs player gets hurt when someone says swear words at them so no reason to mute

[@mynona5155]

I‘m playing Valorant mainly but I also like CS really much. I have over 400h in Valorant and I‘ve played maybe 2 or 3 times with an e-dater couple and only in competitive. Also in most of the matches there‘s nobody in the team that is toxic to you. Probably like every fourth game one toxic person that you can instantly mute for yourself. In almost every match your team is nice to you in voice chat if you’re nice to them and also in pretty much every game the first message in the all chat is "glhf" and the first response "u2". I understand that the game seems very complicated to everybody if you play it for the first time but after you get the hang out of it, it‘s really not that difficult. Also if you understand and learn the patterns of movement, spray and aiming the game feels so smooth and rewarding because you get so much feedback from the game itself after getting a kill. What I also need to mention is that some of the abilities seem very overpowered but the game is actually very fair in my opinion and there is for nearly every ability a way to counter them for example with good movement, prediction or your own abilities. And yes the skins are overpriced and riot is very greedy but if you only buy the skins you like and you’re able to enjoy playing with them for a long time it is ok to buy them for a high price. By the way this guy that you were reacting to showed only skins that I consider myself as pretty bad. There are also many good skins like the reaver, sovereign or prime collection and many many more.

[@leopardomano]

all these people talking about how you can get your money back in cs but have a history of gambling away hundreds of dollars on cases

[@Arcana_Veritas_EN]

I made way more money trading CSGO skins than I lost opening cases. Obviously there are lots of people who lose a lot - and I'd prefer if there was no gambling mechanic in the game at all - but that still just wouldn't be possible in Valorant.

[@snowpegasi]

@@Arcana_Veritas_EN look I can get a knife that I really like in Val for $50, or I can get a knife that I'm lukewarm about and settling for in CS for $250, the average player doesn't interact with the market in CS and just wants to have a decent cosmetic that isn't overpriced to high hell.

[@luca5ye475]

@@Arcana_Veritas_EN so its unfortunate that valorant doesnt have a gambling system? or what

[@PilotXY]

@@Arcana_Veritas_EN I just dont understand how someone can make money with buying skins? Like on Steam or on Websites there is atleast a 30% decrease cus steam is taking that money...

[@freddy2887]

lol if those people have the money, then let them, if they got knife, its a profit, it they dont, they dont even feel like they losing the money. Only rich people open cases, broke people don't, idk why you think all cs players that want skins have to buy cases. While valorant overprice their mediocre skins that can't be sold for ETERNITY btw.

[@Shrykull10]

one thing that might be good to remember is most people dont know of ways to get real money back for CS skins - they think once you buy a knife that money is stuck on steam anyway.

[@user-tm1fl1mv9i]

I am most people

[@Bart_Oss]

also in CS - I WANT A SKIN, AND I CANNOT BUY IT, I don't have $500 for a knife, but would spend $30 to have it in my inventory forever, because I fucking like it so I don't want to sell it!

[@Smolkoi]

@@Bart_Oss yes but the argument is still there. Cs you can get the money back = you don't waste the money if you for some reason stop playing nd valorant just sucks it up and its gone

[@dabman4721]

that's literally how it works in most of the game with micro transactions. you literally spend your money and it's gone for the item you bought. I'm as well not feeling like saving up 130 dollars to afford the shittiest knife in csgo, rather spend it on valorant​@@Smolkoi

[@DageLV]

legally it is. Steam wallet has no real monetary value.

[@halfbowtv]

Hear me out, to get a good karambit in Valorante I need 45 dollars, to get a good karambit (dream skin is Damascus steel factory new so I will go with that) cost around a grand. I don’t have grand laying around that I can invest into a counter strike skin. So the price checks out because of the convenience.

[@setyourheartabl4ze]

dont forget if you wanna cash out that grand, there's a high chance that you'll get someone who's gonna scam you, and when you trade it to a 3rd party website, you're gonna lose more than 45 dollars AND do you know what's the worst case it ? and it happened to me ? the 3rd party cannot transfer the money to me because of where i live, ended up buying skins on that website again with the credits i have (which lost me money), and sold those on the market (which lost me even more money) for some games

[@lirdedkj]

​@@setyourheartabl4zeWhat website?

[@kolegakolano]

Yeah, and if I want just some lead shooting skins I could get a whole subjectively good looking loadout for a price of a single valorant skin. Noone cares about knives except collectors and brain-dead 14 year olds

[@gnerus1972]

I member when the most expensive knife skins were 500 euros max...

[@tenderandmoist5011]

​@@setyourheartabl4zeand for that skin to exist in the first place someone out there have to give Valve a small country's GDP worth of money in cases

[@architecthyde]

val player view skins as clothes, we like it we buy it we use it, we don't think we gonna get resell value or some shit. we buy it because we like using it

[@yahiaouifedi6263]

Playing both CS 2 and Valorant, gotta say, one shouldn't hate the other game because he likes the other more, Each game is unique on it's way, each one it's different realm, each is appealing to different genre of players (specifically age) You can play both, and have fun at both games, can't see why people are doing this big Drama for which is better than which, both games are great wethere you like or dislike the other. People's opinion wont change anything about the game, both are very successful and makes tons of money to their developers.

[@its9301]

To clear up some misunderstanding regarding the VALORANT skins The skins have the following rarity tiers that determine its price and quality: Select 875 VP Deluxe 1275 VP Premium 1775 VP Ultra 2475 VP. Select are the most basic skins, most of the time just a Vandal/AK with different color/theme, Deluxe have different gun models like the airplane vandal in the react and variants, Premium is where the actually good skins start having animations ( reload animation, bullet animation, etc), different kill banners ( the circle at the bottom of the screen that appears every time you get a kill ), and sound effects (bullet sound, reload sound, kill sound), and Finishers ( animation once you kill the last enemy ), and lastly Variants ( 4 different themes of colors for the skin you bought ) Ultra's the same as premium but it also has some specialty to it, for example the RGX bundle, when you inspect a knife or Gun the color of the lightning will change, or when you inspect the knife it will do something crazy like a new animation like butterfly knife. the skins in the shop appear randomly each day, and Knife skins price vary even if its from a certain rarity, theres also an Exclusive rarity, which is mostly used for VALORANT collabs or Events in eSports, like every year they drop a new Champions vandal, and that vandal only comes at that year, so theres 2021 Champs, 2022 Champs, and 2023.

[@its9301]

also a big downside to that, is that along with VP ( Valorant Points ) the main Valorant Currency you use to buy skins, there's also Radianite, which is used to upgrade Premium/Ultra/Exclusive Skins, unlike VP its obtainable for free, its used to upgrade the skins you bought for example: sound effects require 15 radianite, kill effect 15, variants 10-15 each ( theres 4 variants usually ), its a big big downside if you buy a good amount of skins but don't play enough to get radianite for those.

[@arush_zyt]

while csgo just has select skins XD

[@proxima1442]

Ultra and exclusive tier (missing in your list) vary in price. Especially the recent bundles have been more expensive than usually. Also every knife skin is of exclusive tier regardless of quality. Ultra tier is a somewhat dying tier as well since there is little to no difference between ultra and exclusive even though it was originally used for skins with extraordinary design changes compared to the original gun.

[@DoubleDbababoi]

@@arush_zyt Dont you have to gamble for skins? Isnt that the whole cs getting skins thing?

[@daghetto101]

@@DoubleDbababoiNo. Gambling and buying are 2 different things. If you want the thrill go open case, If you want something just buy it.

[@nadra0755]

In Valorant you can get a really nice loadout with all your favorite skins for 100$. (If you get them in the shop that is) In cs dream skins are not obtainable for 99% of players. Yes you can probably get 90-95% back in cs, but putting in 1k+ in cs skins is not feasible for most

[@kolegakolano]

yeah "dream skins" just like any "dream stuff" aren't obtainable for most. That doesn't change the fact that in CS you can get a sensible loadout with any budget, and grow it as the budget grows, mostly paying for the difference (since the skins have resale value). In valorant you either get no skins or any loadout you want since they all cost the same. And if you want to mix it up you can't exchange your old skins rather than spending all over again.

[@sirgg3847]

@@kolegakolano most lame sht its a fking game not tradin site

[@nooptiui]

@@kolegakolanoyou absolutely CANNOT get a loadout at any budget. in reality you mean if you have a few hundred dollars set aside you can get some skins.

[@freddy2887]

The good thing is there is something called sticker crafts, even at the lowest price, you can get a custom craft that makes your skin looks good. Technically ak47 vulcan has the same effect as ak47 slate, it doesnt change anything in the game, its literally just color preference.

[@Curtis0826]

Maybe you are right but it feels good when I get a new cs skin.

[@MyLovelyForm]

Valorant skins diversity is huge and they actually real skins that changes the gun completely including sound/animations etc and some even have big animation if u make last kill and round finish compared to CSGO skins that are base guns with tattoos on them that also cost much more and no you wont get ur money back from CS 2 skins you bought, you can get it same way as you can sell ur Valorant account and even then nobody will pay u full price for what u invested. Buying skins is not in investment, thats dumb, you buy a skin coz you like it and wanna use it.

[@Lmao4U]

thats good for a competitive game when the gun sounds change every match. You very much get your money back from CS skins??? even if you count community market, that goes to your wallet and you buy different game!

[@luca5ye475]

@@Lmao4U what did you just say

[@idkrandomusername69]

gun sound only changes for the guy holding the skin, not every player

[@Hollowcloud-str]

​@@Lmao4U Just so yk, The sounds of the guns only change to the user of the gun, so there's 0 competitive disadvantage/advantage. And when people buys skins, they want a good skin, something that's cool and they want to USE, not to re sell and turn it into a job.

[@HMPGENERAL]

im guessing you've never played cs before but csgo skin investment is a real thing, if u bought a knife, skins or even fking cases a couple years ago theres almost a guarantee you've doubled your money. you also dont get ur money back the same way as val, you can sell your skin the same way you got it or another, like community market, 3rd party sites or you can trade it...

[@biacho5198]

his reaction to tenz has me dead my guy couldn’t believe his eyes

[@Arcana_Veritas_EN]

He played on C9 for a few months and pretty much only against NA teams. Wasn't even close to being a top player in CS.

[@isk2829]

@@Arcana_Veritas_EN Yea he was 18 at the time. No sht he wasn't a top player. Hes a top player in valorant and thats all that matters

[@locroyal4400]

​@@isk282918 is prime for gaming in almost any game u see nowadays

[@deadfromhell1235]

@@isk2829 "He was 18 at the time", tell that to monesy lmao. Current best player at 18

[@mysticlunala8020]

​@@Arcana_Veritas_ENI'm sure you want to imply that average player in CS is top player in Valorant. LMAO

[@flushed3601]

the "whole cant get your money back" argument is so dumb, you're paying for the entertainment like you do a movie ticket or any other form of entertainment.

[@fa100da]

shiny animations aint worth 30$ blud

[@keard7811]

@@fa100da 30$ for anythings beside food, water and shelter is not worth blud. People are paying for the entertainment not because it's necessary.

[@fa100da]

@@keard7811 entertainment 😭😭

[@fa100da]

@@keard7811 cosmetics used to be something u earned or modded. they were for letting ppl know ur skill lvl. and it was entertainment when it was modded in people buy skins cos they can't be bothered to earn them. and companies realising they can make bank off of lazy people also banned modding skins. they forced people to buy them ur entertainment ruined the industry

[@fa100da]

and yes valve pays too much attention to making skins and it led to shady gambling sites. im not saying cs is ethical or non-exploitative for their skin system. but at least i can buy a mansion for a knife

[@shkylin3]

blud is jus reacting to duwaps video on the main channel XD

[@botelhas5254]

rip hella sketchy

[@fladdiction911]

Lmao that other guys comment is top comment with 501 likes you got scammed

[@cd2194]

and skipping the sposor :)

[@shkylin3]

@@fladdiction911 yea i seen that lol but i think it got deleted lol

[@akalucky335]

Ohne complaining about the valorant skins being overpriced when a knife on csgo can be 500+ only cheaper if its awful looking, you also will not sell that knife unless you hold onto it for an investment considering the prices of knives change all the time you may even loose money, at least for me in valorant if i buy a skin its a fair price for everyone and I'm not tempted to sell or gamble it and be left with no skins (personal take don't flame me too hard i enjoy both games)

[@kolegakolano]

I don't get why everyone, when talking about skins in CS, think only about knives. I got a whole loadout in CS for maybe $30 over my first month's of playing, and then maybe another 10 bucks for stickers to make it my own. Sure, a knife would be cool but there's no point in buying one and it's not like I crave it every time I see the default one. Valorant is hands down the more expensive game skinwise (for the average Joe who just wants a few skins for his most played weapons)

[@akalucky335]

@@kolegakolano I understand your point but the average skins on Cs Just look shit. The good ones are Usually around $50+ and to complete a full loadout is Expensive at that point, From playing both games for over 1k hours I get bored of using skins in cs and want to change them all the time but not in valorant, I can use another skin that I have bought for that weapon and go back and forth depending on what I'm feeling for that day, that's just my opinion though.

[@crydoc5276]

​@@akalucky335 funny how you are pretending like there aren't a lot of shit skins in valorant, and i mean a lot.

[@akalucky335]

@@crydoc5276 since when did I say there weren’t shit skins in valorant?

[@arugula517]

@@crydoc5276the baseline for the goods skins is $20 which is far more affordable

[@rymundo9345]

I'm a 36 yrd old guy that played half-life even before cs mod was out. Then played cs to csgo everyweek until 2015-2016ish. I do occasionally play cs from 2018 up to now when I do have the time. So my take on this is that when you play valorant, you don't need to compare to cs. It's an entirely different game. Yes, I was confused for the first couple of games playing valorant but like any other games, it can overwhelming at first. Just play the game with an open mind without even thinking about cs and you'll be fine. I do enjoy both cs2 and valorant. But, if I had to pick which one I enjoy the most now given my very limited time to play video games, then its valorant for me.

[@teawithmilk5517]

Based

[@bulldemon]

as a csgo and a valorant player i must say that i enjoy both

[@ElyCohen-s5g]

Agreed. Also a knife cost $35 and you can't sell it - that's fine. Ive lost more than $35 just in fees easily lol

[@gnerus1972]

man got double cancer, sorry for you

[@GooveG]

The argument about class knowledge falls apart when you consider all the smoke/molly lineups for every map you need to learn.

[@lad4830]

those are optional.

[@AtaraxyVAL]

ye but that's skill ceiling, not skill floor. You don't need to understand lineups to play the game first time, compared to val where you'll have a negative experience if you don't know what skye dog does etc

[@JofasMessenger]

Same thing applies to val. Different agents require different lineups on different maps + learning 1 ways, etc.

[@xuyukun123]

@@AtaraxyVAL tbf no one in low elo outside of smurfs would use that dog anyway so you can just start learning shooting as well lmao

[@thehoboshow]

@@JofasMessenger Valorant lineups are fucking cringe dawg. Just sit outside the fucking bombsite, bait the whole team and drop a molotov in the last 15 seconds and win. Zero skill, just a bullshit lineup. Smokes are equally shit, just click on the map and boom, you got your smoke. Cringe ass shit, and I am saying this as someone who plays more Valorant than CS nowadays because of rampant cheating problems and unresponsiveness of CS at times.

[@deadsmile8474]

You don't know how much I've been waiting for this reaction

[@Hostefar]

Cs players are fighting an imaginary war with valorant

[@RainyCo]

As someone who has played both honestly I don’t see why people Compare them. Two completely separate games besides the point both 5v5 defuse.

[@Ranting4Rent]

as dota veteran that started playing cs 6 years ago ill say that lol and valorant abilities are really simple. It could be my 500+ games in steam or my 8k hours in dota but none of them felt original

[@whfftagged1504]

Its because thats what Riot does best, the company copies from others and casualizes certain mechanics while adding a bit of their own spin to it avoiding copyright, cant wait for that fighting game they are making where it just immediately plagiarizes mechanics from all the games in the same genre whilst attracting the casuls/washout pros with simpler combos & low skill ceiling.

[@arielariel1176]

@@whfftagged1504 HOLY yapping projection

[@jellibean7729]

@@whfftagged1504if you are talking about valorant copying lol abilities then bruv both games are made by riot. They can’t copyright themselves.

[@mo1ya938]

​@@whfftagged1504Project L gets pretty deep as said by pros and conmentators so I don't know what you're on about. Also you can't copyright an ability and, newsflash, fighting games have been copying each other for decades and no one cares.

[@shreeanshmahapatra2313]

​@@whfftagged1504Bet you have no clue what rising thunder is.

[@iwilllgiveuthebickles]

these csgo players do not seem to know that majority of the games out there like valorant do not give the money back

[@justblazeee]

If you can't remember 20 abilities you genuinely might have dementia.

[@KolyaUrtz]

that isnt the problem, problem is that those abilities are super boring

[@jomardecastro9295]

In Valorant, new players need Valorant University. In CS, new players need cheats

[@Drayruns]

i would watch every val video

[@Fewz]

Ohne is honestly just edging us off with the valorant stuff at this point

[@TurkeySaladPizza]

at 10:09 that isnt even the actual in game currency lmao thats just some free points you get from playing the game which is used for getting more agents and accessories.

[@john-patrickconsidine3046]

To buy a top tier knife on cs it’s at least 1k $, which costs you 50-100$ (assuming 5-10% fees) a top tier valo knife is like 30$. So still cheaper then cs

[@KolyaUrtz]

fees are only on steam market, no one sells expensive skins on steam market. They are traded privately

[@john-patrickconsidine3046]

​@@KolyaUrtz the majority of the trades are done with 3rd party sites... that have fees. Very few people have the luxury to be able to do it privately.

[@KolyaUrtz]

@@john-patrickconsidine3046 depends on what type of trade. If it's direct selling or buying yeah(but fees are really really low, like 1% or under) but not for really expensive skins (1k+ in value). They are sold/bought directly since such trades get attention by public, are done between credible people and if person buying scams the seller their trading carrier is basically over. Trades where skins are traded for other skins then no, they are done vie steam trading system and there are no fees for that.

[@baovirus]

3:35 your money is gone? Yes, it supposed to be gone when you buy stuffs lmao

[@m9mykolkaaa]

I'm a CS player. Always have been, always will be. When Valorant beta came out I played it a fair bit with my friends. I have to say I enjoyed it, mainly because I could shit on people who've never played an fps game. There weren't that many operators (10?), and the abilities they had felt balanced and not completely out of this world. I stopped playing Valorant before the game fully released, and came back to it a couple years later. Brother, what a shitshow that was for me. So many new things got added (mainly operators with bs, if you ask me, abilities) that I just couldn't stomach it and didn't play a second match. This comes from someone who's also played R6 Siege a lot (>2k hours over 2017-2019 and some on-and-off moments here and there), so I already had experience having a game I liked to play get overwhelmed with content. I don't play Siege, like, at all nowadays. No hate towards Valorant though, it just wasn't for me. It's hard to beat a game as old and as polished as Counter-Strike, which is why I think it is the best fps game ever made and I will always come back to it (if I ever leave it in the first place).

[@Bitz.]

yh valorant is ideed a hard game to start now, lots of shit that a new player wouldnt understand

[@valanor2]

I agree a lot on this i play a lot of val almost from the beginning and it was easy then, not so many characters and ability usage wasn't that crazy too but it's been like a 3 Years since then? nowadays they have so many maps, characters and ppl started to get very crazy with abilities and i can understand how hard it is for a new player now because of all of this.

[@frenak12]

same, i enjoyed it quite a bit during the beta and early release days, but the fact that they keep adding agents so often just turned it into a shitshow

[@feverdream357]

pretty much it takes more braincells to actually play valorant than many other fps games i guess you can call valorant players nerds

[@lad4830]

WoW, LoL, Dota 2... are suffering from exactly that. People who play them are playing them for years, it's nearly impossible to get into it as a complete newbie. I mean, I can't comment on Dota 2 but there are 124 heros and each of them have 4 abilities. That's 496 spells, not talking about how the game is played and everything else. League has 168 and 4 spells + 1 passive. That's 840 things, some passives have multiple effects so let's round it up to 850 things you need to know. WoW oh baby. Getting into WoW is comparable to getting into f1 racing when you are poor 20 year old from Africa without any connections to anyone involved. WoW is a game about collecting, collecting LITERALLY 500 000 unique things. If you tryhard it you can get like 30/8hr gameplay until you get to about 40% completions, after that you need all the luck in the world because some things people have been farming for A DECADE weekly and still don't have it. There are people with 20k hours and they aren't even close to 85% of completion. WoW was structured on that since the beginning, they HAD to add stuff regulary or the game would die. LoL and Dota fucked themselves up. They make their game thinking they need to add things otherwise it becomes boring and people will leave. But people will move on eventually anyway and who's going to play your game then? kids who got 8hr a day and have to spend 30 hours watching each champion showcase? naurr. both of those games are going inevitably down on player count. Give it 10 years. CS will be still getting higher and higher and those games won't make it to top 15 most played

[@insomniaaaaaaaaaas]

I like how ohne makes fun of val for having skins you can’t sell, but EVERY. SINGLE. OTHER. GAME. Has skins that you can’t sell.

[@skinnybuggo]

And those are also usually mid skins too

[@nooptiui]

@@skinnybuggocs players will glaze cs skins as if the majority of the skins aren’t just wraps that change nothing about the gun besides its base colours

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

​@@nooptiui the majorly good CS skins are on the AWP and those things are expensive asf

[@daghetto101]

@@nooptiuiwe still can sell it though, IDGAF if it looks good or artistic or whatever. We do this for money. Even DOTA has marketable and sellable skins. One day we gonna die, we can easily sell it for our funeral funds. It’s not gonna be binded to our account until the day we die. Hell we can even pass it down to our children since it’s giftable

[@N1ck6866]

bro plays valorant first time for 1000th time

[@fabianoberlim9636]

It’s so much fun watching you discover Valorant. I’ll be watching any Valorant content you do

[@Youjvwhw]

7:40 as a valorant player myself, we are aware that valorant skins are overpriced but yall in cs act like the only thing to them are just the aesthetics where really myself and many people buy the for the sounds and animations. the stuff he showed were liek the bad skins in the game

[@DuART137]

He need to see aspas playing.

[@pojuh645]

MUCH TO LEARN???? Bro you literally need hundreds, if not thousands of hours to really master counter strike movement.

[@dinosharttt]

you dont need to do kz to be good at cs

[@pehdry]

I think ohnepixel should see some games of professional it’s so out of this world like gameplay

[@AnyCrazyFacts]

I had seen some valorant gameplay before playing, so I knew there were abilities and I spent 2-3 hours in the range just trying out all the characters to see what they do

[@_simon.s_]

I keep reminding myself that the guy talking in the video is an actual human being and not AI

[@anotherrabbithole]

After playing on a warcraft mod server on cs2, I realized how valorant was created.

[@Palmtrees361]

why do they always show random ass skins in valo that no one has ever seen before and dont take the once that people actually use bro

[@n9cole480]

first game being good then meeting valorant gremlins in all of the next games is so accurate

[@b.chandon]

duwap x ohne in VALORANT!

[@de_dan]

Hell nah,..,

[@kennethlul]

I like playing CS more than Valorant but I really like watching Valorant Streamers which are good at the game. Its very entertaining

[@HyperKryst]

I hate how a lot of the comments are "valo living rent free" or some other jabs even though the video was just about an honest comparison between the two games without that rivalry bullshit. It shows that cs lives in valo players' heads rent free as much as the other way around.

[@monkeykiller1488]

valorant is the most horseshit "fps" game thats the difference

[@luca5ye475]

exactly bro there are so many people that just hate on another game for no reason even though they have never played it themselves

[@nooptiui]

it’s because most cs2 vs val videos are usually made by cs players

[@gus-187]

I was absolutely clueless when I started playing it a year ago, being a CS player. But yeah, it forces you to play Unrated until you're level 20 to access Ranked, which is more than enough time to get a basic understanding of the agents' abilities.

[@alikumas2294]

stil waiting experts

[@tqco6877]

Sorry for being late, im here now

[@puffaddiqt]

CS2 player tries not to dickride cs and shit on valorant for no reason challenge (impossible)

[@lordfay646]

duwapp humor is GOLD

[@junsake2797]

duwap might be one of the only cs players to both roast valorant for how much crazy shit is going on on your screen, but also actually be able to respect that it's what makes the game different and fun

[@someone-nf3ui]

Bro I gotta admit most of your points are SPOT on but as a Valorant player you must know. Half the skins- scratch that most of the skins you were trolling on.. the WHOLE Valorant community DESPISES. Yes we have some of the most dog water, plane gun, disgusting skins ever. But if you were to use some of the other skins and get an ace or something, it is the most satisfying thing ever.

[@chieff19]

you make us valorant players sound like geniuses thanks 🖤

[@Bas1cZ]

Ohne’s valo experience was crazy fun to watch, hope he gives it a 2nd shot for content xD

[@mfsmarineop693]

Ah. I can’t believe I come back after an Ohne break and get a new Duwap video!

[@IwoleK]

I was hoping for a fair review about gameplay, and everyone is yapping about skins lol, cs fell off in so many ways that your only quality gameplay is gambling, ig

[@janellecam]

It’s obviously not a serious review of the game😭

[@IwoleK]

@@janellecam Bro is 1 month late, and my point still stands, gameplay without nostalgia glasses is dogshit

[@Mittshu]

3:42 if CS dies, people will also lose their money and won't get it back

[@walkingpineapple4563]

I remember call of duty black ops 2 skins were like $2… valorant players are getting absolutely robbed

[@Kyubi13]

CS2 players know more about valorqnt than valorant players.

[@frank6048]

The difference between Valorant and CS in Skins is not the bulshit Ohne says, it's because of scarcity. The only way (98% of the time) to get a skin is to unbox it or to unbox a lot of low float stuff and make a trade and with some luck you may get what you want. That means there's a finite ammount of that stuff and even if you have a lot of money to throw away at the screen you may get it just by the chances the game gives you (or may not even get it after spending it all). Some skins and boxes may never appear again, Valve doesn't care; You may offer them a thousand dollars and they won't make an exception for you. Also prices regulate themselves. Even if two items are equally scarce, they may have prices totally different according to demand. It's people who decides what they valorate, be it low floats or dumb patterns. In Valorant there's no such thing as scarcity, they place them in their store and you buy it at the price the developers decide they want to take from you from ugly toy-like skins that you may feel ashamed to pull off. Also the moment you have one, everyone knows you spent money on it, and will get it back (in CS it's not like that, you may have gotten it by pure luck in your first try, exchanged it, scammed someone, bought it when it was low, or you may even be cheating. People will think of it as an investment, you may get your money back whenever you want, you didn't throw it. This is similar to what Ohne said, but different in that it's not what makes skins valuable, but what makes you having one to not look like a loser who just threw money away). In summary, Valorant skins are indeed OVERPRICED because no one but the developer values them like that. if they let the market regulate itself, they wouldn't worth anything. CS Skins CAN'T be overpriced, because it's the market itself (the people) the one which gives them their high price.

[@L0K0M0T1V]

I would disagree with the last point "CS Skins CAN'T be overpriced" Mainly because you are confusing rarity and a good looking skin. For example, if you have a super rare skin like 0.01% to get it. But, it looks like dog sh*t. It no matter what, WILL be higher priced than a skin that has a 2% chance to get. So in a sense skins CAN be "overpriced" in CS not because (the people) think its actually a good looking skin but because of its rarity. So people can choose to think the skin is overpriced because the skin looks like dog sh*t. I also disagree with "Valorant skins are indeed OVERPRICED" Because if they actually were overpriced, then NO ONE would buy them. I think you forget that for someone to buy a skin. They HAVE TO value the skin more than the price of it, to justify the purchase of the skin. Now, it may sound like I'm saying two different things, but i'm not. Why? Because Valorant has no cases/chance to get a skin (The skins has NO RARITY). So if a skin looks like dogshit in valorant and it's priced 30 dollars then nobody would buy it. Difference is in CS, some people just buys a skin not because of how it looks but because of how rare it is. Tl:dr so my point is, Skins in CS CAN be "overpriced" not because of people think the skin actaully looks good but because of it's rarity that gave it the "overpriced" value.

[@ambhaiji]

5% fee of $1400 is $42, now it seems more reasonable than how I thought about it before.

[@cepticzvalorant]

I quit valo after 3 years for cs best decision of my life ngl

[@yuurrrrrrrr1]

Wait till you hit 20k youll come back to valo 😂

[@snowpegasi]

I mean good for you, I hope you have tons of fun playing on a 3rd party program that has to do Valve's job for them

[@danielmyslik1067]

I understand valorant can be very annoying at the beginning because there is so much to understand, but if you got it you can work and play around the abilities what is one of the greatest parts of valorant

[@wagagagaggag]

0:53 That’s literally my PC setup😂😂

[@BRGyt]

lol

[@alex_xrau]

6:57 „you‘re paying 30 bucks on a knife“. If only bro knew the knife he was looking at a second ago is 60 bucks 😂😂

[@asianpanda6537]

In Valorant you can legally sell your account for real money so you dont really lose that much

[@sirgg3847]

these cs frogs know nothing just keep bsing

[@benjaminwilson3313]

Watching Ohne discover one of Tenz's top clips was the best

[@Origonsmasher]

grown man complains on inability to learn a new games mechanics

[@stefxc]

As an experienced Valorant player. THIS IS GOLD XD

[@PotatoChrisWot]

8:28 ohne shoud do it with duwap

[@JG_py]

the ammount of counter strike glazers on his chat is just insane

[@muricaman7285]

Our favorite degen cs gambler is back at it watching his favorite game while doing tricks on cs2’s meat

[@brainsanitation]

Bro said "smoke the molly" lmfao

[@cadosplays]

Cant sell a cs skin for the same price at which you bought, it depends on that skins market price, 90% of players will loose more money in CS than Valo

[@IvanBuoy]

It’s easier when you start at the beginning of the game where there’s nothing crazy added yet and learn as you go rather than jumping in years later overwhelmed by the amount of characters, abilities, skins, etc. it’s the same with league except it’s so much older and has even more characters, abilities, and skins that it feels impossible to learn which is what Valorant is slowly getting to.

[@basedgod8636]

Homeboy was getting shit on in iron LMAO

[@iconiqGG]

after getting spinbotted HvH in CS2 I'm starting to think that the overpriced skins in Valorant is just a subscription for a better anticheat and servers lmao

[@snowpegasi]

I wouldn't even call them overpriced compared to CS, I can get a knife I really like for $50 in Val or I can settle for a dogshit one in CS for $250, and on the whole resale value thing as someone who went to Val from CS I know that the average CS player doesn't interact with the market on the level of high stakes traders and just wants a cool cosmetic, for the average consumer CS is probably more expensive.

[@dinosharttt]

@@snowpegasi if 250 knife in cs is dogshit you have really shit taste

[@maxpepper7800]

If he thought the learning curve for Val was hard he should try siege

[@gragalakaisel1477]

played siege 2 months ago for the first time. literally any game sense I have on both CS and valo are useless. right now I have 50 hours and I only have 1 map memorized. not even completely memorized I just know the layout inside but have no idea where im looking at when I look from the camera outside lol

[@Sanguinaryyy]

What's really funny is that I've gotten the red screen twice the past week in gold elo in Valorant. Even though Valorant wasted my time, at least that's two more red screens than what CS2 has ever shown me.

[@luca5ye475]

"wasted my time" brother you've been playing tapping heads simulator since 1986 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SKRIE.]

When I started valorant, it was overwhelming, but I enjoy learning new things. Whenever I got stuck, there was always a new character to play, new abilities to learn, and new playstyles to take up. That’s why I prefer Val over cs, there’s so much more thinking you have to do. „They have this ult, so we should stack this site“, „they have this flash agent, who plays at this spot, so we should play antiflash.“ Relying on aim makes for some exciting moments in cs, but i much prefer the thinking and gameplan behind valorant plays.

[@KolyaUrtz]

try dota

[@EmiDelta]

him not liking lunas descent makes me cry

[@howtodoit8185]

I just love how his chat know everything about valorant when he askes about it but as soon as he says smth bad and shit talks they just start to d ride his comments

[@Monio.]

1.Played csgo for 7 hours in 2021 2.Came to valorant for 200 hours and got some skins 3.Came back to CS2 and already have 555 hours and a shit ton of skins THAT I CAN SELL HAHA

[@flowerfantasy3889]

i dont get the mindset of buying a skin IF only its resellable

[@Rick_Ghosh07]

ya csgo sucks

[@protocolsavage8506]

Valorant lobbies are either the most wholesome experience or the most toxic experience ever, there’s no in between 😂😂

[@jeremylim2421]

Not to necessarily defend riot's treatment of their devs/employees, but most of the valorant skin designing process are actually outsourced to other companies outside of the US etc, for example they outsourced to a company in Malaysia which I know some artist friends who worked on some skins. Hence why there are "Art Outsourcing" roles.

[@mordolycka7301]

"you can't sell the knife" sure, but i can literally have 10 knives for the price of 1 m9 that id end up getting tired of, sell, and then lose the 8% fee on. 8% on a $300 is a $24 loss. you are effectively renting skins with a massive down payment, where you lose almost the price of a valorant knife when you sell

[@vytrux]

you can simply trade a knife with another one of the same value without any fee, effectively giving you access to a lot of knives for the price of one, also, there are websites with a fee lower than 8%

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

​@@vytrux then you have the risk of getting scammed or cheated out of value

[@Luper1billion]

Hes preaching with the skin price talk. My soul left my body when I saw valorant prices. On csgo I bought a $100 knife and sold it 5 years later for $120. If you buy a $35 skin on valorant and want to quit you take a L

[@snowpegasi]

okay now let's factor in how much people waste on loot boxes and never hit

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

5 years for a $20 upmark? That's not worth it in the slightest

[@bpop2148]

Counter strike skins are not over priced since it’s driven by supply and demand. If enough people think a skin is too expensive the price will simply drop.

[@flipfilfip]

When a skin sells for more than a car, it's overpriced. In my opinion the AWP Dragon Lore looks pretty cool but I'm never going to pay $10,000 for a skin.

[@bpop2148]

@@flipfilfip Do you also think million dollar paintings are overpriced then?

[@Lagger01]

@@bpop2148 yes

[@wgnd1614]

@@bpop2148 im not him but yes obviously lmao and btw cs skins are not comprable to art in any way

[@dafrup]

@@bpop2148 yes why would some paint on a piece of paper ever be worth a million dollars